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Sunrisia
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Postby Sunrisia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:14 am

Mexico Unidos wrote:"Sounds good," he said. "Once that is done, Mexico can organize this and make sure it is 100% unbiased. Is that alright?"


Of course. The only problem is that the conflicting sides do not really seem to be interested in simultaneously withdrawing and instead keep pointing fingers at each other, about who is the actual aggressor in this war. The rest of the countries also seem to stay silent on my proposal of USA peacekeepers being deployed to the conflict zones, to monitor the withdrawal of combat forces by both sides.

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Al-Masri Caliphate
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Postby Al-Masri Caliphate » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:47 am

Sunrisia wrote:
Mexico Unidos wrote:"Sounds good," he said. "Once that is done, Mexico can organize this and make sure it is 100% unbiased. Is that alright?"


Of course. The only problem is that the conflicting sides do not really seem to be interested in simultaneously withdrawing and instead keep pointing fingers at each other, about who is the actual aggressor in this war. The rest of the countries also seem to stay silent on my proposal of USA peacekeepers being deployed to the conflict zones, to monitor the withdrawal of combat forces by both sides.

The Caliph looked angered, "Now, I believe I can speak for myself. I have already stated, much earlier, that the Caliphate and Eranshahir will withdraw its troops the moment Iackstorm agrees to do the same. I have not pointed fingers at anyone, nor have I refused to withdraw my troops. Do not place words in the mouth of the Caliph." The Caliph looked around the room, "I have given the resolution. When Iackstorm agrees to end this war; the Caliphate and Empire of Eran will withdraw its troops. And, we will not pull our non-combat personnel from Yaramaqui until their job is finished."

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Iackstorm
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Postby Iackstorm » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:50 am

Minister Malerdaban stood up. "Excuse me, but I have already said Iackstorm will withdraw its forces, as long as you do the same, which you have already stated. There is no reason to continue the discussion further, besides the future of Yosun in which it appears Mexico will gladly host a referendum."
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Zanera
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Postby Zanera » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:52 am

Sunrisia wrote:
Mexico Unidos wrote:"Sounds good," he said. "Once that is done, Mexico can organize this and make sure it is 100% unbiased. Is that alright?"


Of course. The only problem is that the conflicting sides do not really seem to be interested in simultaneously withdrawing and instead keep pointing fingers at each other, about who is the actual aggressor in this war. The rest of the countries also seem to stay silent on my proposal of USA peacekeepers being deployed to the conflict zones, to monitor the withdrawal of combat forces by both sides.


"We have withdrawn all combat forces. We would be willing to participate in a USA peacekeeper mission to see all sides withdraw combat forces. As of now, the only aggressors are the ones who are willing to participate in active war. The original aggressor no longer matters," said Supreme James Vitchell.

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Mexico Unidos
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Postby Mexico Unidos » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:54 am

"If I am allowed to, may I contact President Nieto?" Gonzales eagerly asked. "If we are going to organize the referendum we should start planning early."

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Al-Masri Caliphate
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Postby Al-Masri Caliphate » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:59 am

Iackstorm wrote:Minister Malerdaban stood up. "Excuse me, but I have already said Iackstorm will withdraw its forces, as long as you do the same, which you have already stated. There is no reason to continue the discussion further, besides the future of Yosun in which it appears Mexico will gladly host a referendum."

"Then there is no discussion. As I am here on behalf of both Eranshahir and the Al-Masri Caliphate, with your agreement, forces will be withdrawn."

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Yaramaqui
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Postby Yaramaqui » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:04 am

Randomly walking into the room, was the Foreign Affairs, Bo'az Shekhet HaYashar-Kuzabim Ben Yosef Salem. "My apologies, for arriving so late. We experienced lots of turbulence and complications back home. I am Bo'az Shekhet the Yaramaquese representative."

OOC: SORRY FOR THIS BEING SHORT!
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אם תחפצה בן איש לסודות נבחרו תקנה לך חבר ורעים יקרו בעבור יחי לבך ותשמח נפשך שכל והנפש בטוב יתחברו ולבש ענוה מימי בחרותך
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Lindenholt
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Postby Lindenholt » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:07 am

Sunrisia wrote:
Vekalse wrote:Dean had fallen asleep, quite disrespectfully. He woke with a grunt, his book falling to the ground. "Wha... Oh, yeah. Wehlll... Why not just let humanitarian efforts stay and Iackstorm and Al-Ahsa withdraw?


President Famél then rubbed his eyes. “Because the humanitarian efforts are being carried out by the combat forces that are also carrying out all the fighting.

Mexico Unidos wrote:Gonzales broke his silence. "Why doesn't Mexico organize another referendum? We are neutral and want peace only, we have chosen no sides. Trust me, it'll work out great!" Gonzales proudly said.


Yosun must be emptied of all non-Yosuni military forces first. Including Al-Ahsan and the mutual Caliphate army.

"I agree" Carpaij said "The non-Yosuni and under Caliphate controlled Yosuni forces must all be moved out of Yosun so a fully neutral referendum can take place; I would not mind if Mexico lead the effort."
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Al-Masri Caliphate
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Postby Al-Masri Caliphate » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:09 am

Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"

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Mexico Unidos
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Postby Mexico Unidos » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:12 am

Al-Masri Caliphate wrote:Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"

Speedy Gonzales put an arm around his shoulder, although his arm was short. "We'll take care of that, pal. All finances will be taken care of. Do not worry. If your people want to remain with you, they shall. I believe this referendum is part of improvising."

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Sunrisia
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Postby Sunrisia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:13 am

Al-Masri Caliphate wrote:Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"


Because the USA needs to see that no military forces are present in Yosun, when the vote takes place and not just take your word for it, Your Excellency.

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Lindenholt
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Postby Lindenholt » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:14 am

Sunrisia wrote:
Al-Masri Caliphate wrote:Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"


Because the USA needs to see that no military forces are present in Yosun, when the vote takes place and not just take your word for it, Your Excellency.

"Exactly" Carpaij said whilst nodding in agreement
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Vekalse
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Postby Vekalse » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:15 am

Yaramaqui wrote:Randomly walking into the room, was the Foreign Affairs, Bo'az Shekhet HaYashar-Kuzabim Ben Yosef Salem. "My apologies, for arriving so late. We experienced lots of turbulence and complications back home. I am Bo'az Shekhet the Yaramaquese representative."

OOC: SORRY FOR THIS BEING SHORT!


(The meeting is basically over. Just a little too late?)
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Mexico Unidos
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Postby Mexico Unidos » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:16 am

Sunrisia wrote:
Al-Masri Caliphate wrote:Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"


Because the USA needs to see that no military forces are present in Yosun, when the vote takes place and not just take your word for it, Your Excellency.

"And this." Gonzales quickly added.

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Vekalse
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Postby Vekalse » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:17 am

Dean smiled. "Thanks for agreeing. I shall see that this crisis be resolved. And if something were to happen with Yosun it certainly wouldn't matter."

Dean gathered his papers, and prepared to leave.
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Yaramaqui
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Postby Yaramaqui » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:18 am

Al-Masri Caliphate wrote:Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"

" Shalom Alekhem. A second referendum is ridiculous! Haven't we not seen the results already? Why for another one. That is unreasonable. We should rather focus on the reconstruction on our region, for more lives can suffer from this, all of that money could go into humanitarian aid." Said Mr. Shekhet. "It seems to me that outsiders want to assert their dominance over the region."
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אם תחפצה בן איש לסודות נבחרו תקנה לך חבר ורעים יקרו בעבור יחי לבך ותשמח נפשך שכל והנפש בטוב יתחברו ולבש ענוה מימי בחרותך
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Postby Yaramaqui » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:19 am

Sunrisia wrote:
Al-Masri Caliphate wrote:Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"


Because the USA needs to see that no military forces are present in Yosun, when the vote takes place and not just take your word for it, Your Excellency.

"So basically, you are saying to disband Yosun's current military? What difference does that make, even most of them voted yes." Responded Mr. Shekhet.
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אם תחפצה בן איש לסודות נבחרו תקנה לך חבר ורעים יקרו בעבור יחי לבך ותשמח נפשך שכל והנפש בטוב יתחברו ולבש ענוה מימי בחרותך
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Al-Masri Caliphate
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Postby Al-Masri Caliphate » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:19 am

Sunrisia wrote:
Al-Masri Caliphate wrote:Oğuz Yılmaz and the Caliph welcomed the Yaramaquese Minister of Foreign Affairs. Mr Yılmaz then began to speak, "As the representative of the Yosuni government, both for the Caliphate, and here in this meeting, I wish to enquire why we should hold a second referendum at all? Already we've seen the government and people desire to join, why repeat it, waisting money organising it, when the results will be the same?"


Because the USA needs to see that no military forces are present in Yosun, when the vote takes place and not just take your word for it, Your Excellency.

"I am no excellency," Mr. Yılmaz stated. "But I do not believe that is fair. The National Government of Yosun chose to join the Caliphate, and the people voted in reinforcement of that decision. But if it is so required by the west, then the question is, when would such a thing occur? You must also take into account, over the next few weeks there are elections being held, and within Yosun there are several votes to be held on many different topics."

The Caliph then continued, "As Mr. Yılmaz stated; over the next few weeks the Yosuni state will be voting on keeping their national military, or incorporating it into the Caliphate's military, voting on how future elections will be held (if each province within Yosun will elect a certain amount of representatives to the Council of Yosun, or if they will vote from a large group to select 40), etc. So I too, wonder when this second referendum will be held."

OOC: Oğuz Yılmaz is a Yosuni government representative from the Caliphate accompanying the Caliph.

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Mexico Unidos
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Postby Mexico Unidos » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:21 am

Vekalse wrote:Dean smiled. "Thanks for agreeing. I shall see that this crisis be resolved. And if something were to happen with Yosun it certainly wouldn't matter."

Dean gathered his papers, and prepared to leave.

"Wait!" Gonzales screamed in his quiet voice. "Don't forget your taco!". His butler rushed into the room with fresh tacos. "Since peace was made, everyone gets a taco." he said proudly. The butler handed him a taco of his choice.

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Yaramaqui
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Postby Yaramaqui » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:23 am

Mexico Unidos wrote:
Vekalse wrote:Dean smiled. "Thanks for agreeing. I shall see that this crisis be resolved. And if something were to happen with Yosun it certainly wouldn't matter."

Dean gathered his papers, and prepared to leave.

"Wait!" Gonzales screamed in his quiet voice. "Don't forget your taco!". His butler rushed into the room with fresh tacos. "Since peace was made, everyone gets a taco." he said proudly. The butler handed him a taco of his choice.

Mr. Shekhet looked at Mr. Gonzalez and yelled, "Peace was not made today, but the beginning of a travesty."
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אם תחפצה בן איש לסודות נבחרו תקנה לך חבר ורעים יקרו בעבור יחי לבך ותשמח נפשך שכל והנפש בטוב יתחברו ולבש ענוה מימי בחרותך
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Sunrisia
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Postby Sunrisia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:23 am

Yaramaqui wrote:
Sunrisia wrote:
Because the USA needs to see that no military forces are present in Yosun, when the vote takes place and not just take your word for it, Your Excellency.

"So basically, you are saying to disband Yosun's current military? What difference does that make, even most of them voted yes." Responded Mr. Shekhet.


Not disband the military, but temporarily relocate it to other parts of the Caliphate, outside of Yosun, while the referendum takes place.

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Mexico Unidos
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Postby Mexico Unidos » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:27 am

Yaramaqui wrote:
Mexico Unidos wrote:"Wait!" Gonzales screamed in his quiet voice. "Don't forget your taco!". His butler rushed into the room with fresh tacos. "Since peace was made, everyone gets a taco." he said proudly. The butler handed him a taco of his choice.

Mr. Shekhet looked at Mr. Gonzalez and yelled, "Peace was not made today, but the beginning of a travesty."

"There is no problem with another referendum conducted by a neutral side. If the people truly want to stay they will. Simple as that. Or, if this is because you don't want a taco, then by all means you don't have one."

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Vekalse
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Postby Vekalse » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:31 am

"Motherfuuuuu..." Dean sat back in his chair as the Yaramaquese blabbered on. "How about next time, don't be late for the meeting? We already reached an agreement. Instead, you're blocking from what we agreed. If I am not wrong, the Caliphate is the one holding the referendum, and Mexico is supporting and leading it. What is the problem?"
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Yaramaqui
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Postby Yaramaqui » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:32 am

Mexico Unidos wrote:
Yaramaqui wrote:Mr. Shekhet looked at Mr. Gonzalez and yelled, "Peace was not made today, but the beginning of a travesty."

"There is no problem with another referendum conducted by a neutral side. If the people truly want to stay they will. Simple as that. Or, if this is because you don't want a taco, then by all means you don't have one."

"But, all of the money wasted, could into something more important, This earthquake has shocked many, and the last thing we need is to spend more on something that was already made clear.".
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אם תחפצה בן איש לסודות נבחרו תקנה לך חבר ורעים יקרו בעבור יחי לבך ותשמח נפשך שכל והנפש בטוב יתחברו ולבש ענוה מימי בחרותך
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Capsland
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Postby Capsland » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:35 am

Vekalse wrote:"Motherfuuuuu..." Dean sat back in his chair as the Yaramaquese blabbered on. "How about next time, don't be late for the meeting? We already reached an agreement. Instead, you're blocking from what we agreed. If I am not wrong, the Caliphate is the one holding the referendum, and Mexico is supporting and leading it. What is the problem?"

Ambassador Yvonne turned to the Vekalse delegation.
"Please don't be so rude, we must iron out everything in order to effectively deal with the situation. If taking care of millions of lives costs us a few hours or even days of our time, then that's worth it.
She then turned to the Yaramaqui delegation.
"Maybe it is best if everyone should not individually help Yaramaqui but instead go through the USA as an international humanitarian effort. Working separately will be far less effective than working together through the USA."
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