The League of Mechanocracies (Open, MT/PMT/FT, OOC, Signups)

[Excidium Planetis]

Sort of. Although, the real reason for the ORBAT change is that I wanted to switch our battleship out for a support vessel, since it would be more useful with the large number of allied ships. And, since a lot of enemy fighter craft are being deployed (Mainly from you), I decided to swap out the Avatar with Procnes.

I hope those Beserkers (Damn that is annoying. Is it spelled wrong on purpose? ) are greatly improved versions of the Procne in the ground simulation. Keep in mind I am deploying 10 times the number of Bolts as in the last simulation, and you are only deploying twice the Procne craft. And I took down your Procne with only 4 of my fighters. Of course, you weakened your Procne by making It vulnerable to lasers, but I'll be far more liberal with Antimatter weapons in the space battle, since we won't risk killing our own troops.

[Aeiouia]

The Berserker (Yes, I misspelled that. Sorry.) is equipped with an electronic countermeasure system to jam nearby enemy sensor grids and communications systems, as well as make it extremely difficult for tracking missiles to function. It is also equipped with Dragvanian 5x Micro Matter Reinforcement, making it much more durable.

In-canon, the regular Procne is a very old design. It has been in service for about 525 years, so it makes sense that a major upgrade for the airframe was needed.

Of course, all of this added equipment takes up a lot of space, and weighs a lot. So, the craft is a bit heavier, slower, and less manoeuvrable than the previous design. It also loses two weapon hard points, but it makes up for that with the new wing surfaces, which are specifically designed to be ramming weapons (Yes, that is ridiclous. But, tactics like this have been done in reality. With rather limited success, but still).

[Deminis]

Okay, after much study and research i have found an example of the type of thrust and steering my Ships utalise. Air planes. My ships are like airplanes of space. They have one directional movement, limited due to not having powerful enough reactors to support 3D motion (it would take to many of my HPUs). My ships are forced to vector their motions, easier done at limited speeds. I understand what confusion i have been causing over my ships and i apologies.

[Excidium Planetis]

The Berserker (Yes, I misspelled that. Sorry.) is equipped with an electronic countermeasure system to jam nearby enemy sensor grids and communications systems, as well as make it extremely difficult for tracking missiles to function. It is also equipped with Dragvanian 5x Micro Matter Reinforcement, making it much more durable.

In-canon, the regular Procne is a very old design. It has been in service for about 525 years, so it makes sense that a major upgrade for the airframe was needed.

Of course, all of this added equipment takes up a lot of space, and weighs a lot. So, the craft is a bit heavier, slower, and less manoeuvrable than the previous design. It also loses two weapon hard points, but it makes up for that with the new wing surfaces, which are specifically designed to be ramming weapons (Yes, that is ridiclous. But, tactics like this have been done in reality. With rather limited success, but still).

Canon date wise is still wonky (I recently retconned every date so 1015 ACR matches up with 2015 in standard years, but there are still some ships that have wrong construction dates listed), but the Bolt Class starfighter might be as old as 380 years... at least, that's how old the Crossbow Class Carriers are, but the Crossbows can be modified and retrofitted over the years, while it is probably cheaper to have used complete different starfighters over the centuries.

So, ramming is definitely NOT a viable tactic anymore.

[Excidium Planetis]

Okay, after much study and research i have found an example of the type of thrust and steering my Ships utalise. Air planes. My ships are like airplanes of space. They have one directional movement, limited due to not having powerful enough reactors to support 3D motion (it would take to many of my HPUs). My ships are forced to vector their motions, easier done at limited speeds. I understand what confusion i have been causing over my ships and i apologies.

I believe you need more of an explanation for that.
1) Airplanes use turbines or jet engines, neither of which work in space, I believe.
2) Why would your craft not be able to have 3D movement? Space is a three dimensional battlefield.

I think you made me even more confused than originally.

[Tinfect]

Okay, after much study and research i have found an example of the type of thrust and steering my Ships utalise. Air planes. My ships are like airplanes of space. They have one directional movement, limited due to not having powerful enough reactors to support 3D motion (it would take to many of my HPUs). My ships are forced to vector their motions, easier done at limited speeds. I understand what confusion i have been causing over my ships and i apologies.

That, alone, is a death sentence for your ships. Especially if they are as slow as you keep insisting.

[Deminis]

Okay, after much study and research i have found an example of the type of thrust and steering my Ships utalise. Air planes. My ships are like airplanes of space. They have one directional movement, limited due to not having powerful enough reactors to support 3D motion (it would take to many of my HPUs). My ships are forced to vector their motions, easier done at limited speeds. I understand what confusion i have been causing over my ships and i apologies.

I believe you need more of an explanation for that.
1) Airplanes use turbines or jet engines, neither of which work in space, I believe.
2) Why would your craft not be able to have 3D movement? Space is a three dimensional battlefield.

I think you made me even more confused than originally.

What i mean is i have to actually aim the front of my ship where i want it to go, I cant toss on the bottom thrusts and suddenly start moving upwards or start to strafe. Like an airplane, I have to point the front in the direction im moving. Like in Kerbal Space Program, You can just go,Bam i turned 90*, I have to vector out the maneuver.


And like i said before, These are not meant for close range combat, their long range bombardment units. They unleash huge amount of shells and leave, While they are moving another group of ships in another spot unleashes to cover them. That is to say, they make for good ambushes, early warning and defense units. They make for good mobile outposts. They get to where their going, they aim, and they wait.

[Tinfect]

What i mean is i have to actually aim the front of my ship where i want it to go, I cant toss on the bottom thrusts and suddenly start moving upwards or start to strafe. Like an airplane, I have to point the front in the direction im moving. Like in Kerbal Space Program, You can just go,Bam i turned 90*, I have to vector out the maneuver.


And like i said before, These are not meant for close range combat, their long range bombardment units. They unleash huge amount of shells and leave, While they are moving another group of ships in another spot unleashes to cover them. That is to say, they make for good ambushes, early warning and defense units. They make for good mobile outposts. They get to where their going, they aim, and they wait.

It is generally recommended that one points the front of the ship towards where you want to go anyway, most FT-Battleships tend to have their more powerful thrusters in such a configuration. Hell, most Imperial Ships do not actually have proper Retrograde Thrusters, and rely on hundreds (Depending on the ship) of Maneuvering Thrusters.

Even if they are not going to be engaging ships at close range, they are well within the range of most weaponry, hardly armoured, and easily detected. Please consider that the nations you will be fighting have ships that, alone, outclass your entire fleet.

[Deminis]

What i mean is i have to actually aim the front of my ship where i want it to go, I cant toss on the bottom thrusts and suddenly start moving upwards or start to strafe. Like an airplane, I have to point the front in the direction im moving. Like in Kerbal Space Program, You can just go,Bam i turned 90*, I have to vector out the maneuver.


And like i said before, These are not meant for close range combat, their long range bombardment units. They unleash huge amount of shells and leave, While they are moving another group of ships in another spot unleashes to cover them. That is to say, they make for good ambushes, early warning and defense units. They make for good mobile outposts. They get to where their going, they aim, and they wait.

It is generally recommended that one points the front of the ship towards where you want to go anyway, most FT-Battleships tend to have their more powerful thrusters in such a configuration. Hell, most Imperial Ships do not actually have proper Retrograde Thrusters, and rely on hundreds (Depending on the ship) of Maneuvering Thrusters.

Even if they are not going to be engaging ships at close range, they are well within the range of most weaponry, hardly armoured, and easily detected. Please consider that the nations you will be fighting have ships that, alone, outclass your entire fleet.

Alright fine... I will remake my entire fleet ill add hyper drives molecular atom bombs, moleular self reparation units... Sound better? Considering my entire nation is from an ALT earth where space has never been explored other than placing some really big solar collectors in orbit...

[Tinfect]

Alright fine... I will remake my entire fleet ill add hyper drives molecular atom bombs, moleular self reparation units... Sound better? Considering my entire nation is from an ALT earth where space has never been explored other than placing some really big solar collectors in orbit...

Okay, calm down. I never said to remake your fleet with High-FT Technology, that makes little sense given the canon of your nation, I am just saying to consider what you are fighting. As it is now, a Triarius III could annihilate most of your fleet with minimal damage, simply because of the fact that your ships have almost no armour.

[Deminis]

Alright fine... I will remake my entire fleet ill add hyper drives molecular atom bombs, moleular self reparation units... Sound better? Considering my entire nation is from an ALT earth where space has never been explored other than placing some really big solar collectors in orbit...

Okay, calm down. I never said to remake your fleet with High-FT Technology, that makes little sense given the canon of your nation, I am just saying to consider what you are fighting. As it is now, a Triarius III could annihilate most of your fleet with minimal damage, simply because of the fact that your ships have almost no armour.

I know we have no armor... But you see the problem is.. Canon of my nation is this... All of the best metal we had, went into our pordials. What my plan is, once the ships enter Ringworlds space, Is to request mining operation on an inhabitable planet. A vast source of material we can use to create more powerful reactors, larger ships, and ,something i have been waiting to add to my nation, The Exibitor a 200mm rifled hydrogen based plasma cannon. But my nation has no source of titanium to construct that particular weapon.... Not be confused, there are other weapons we intend to build and modifie, The designs for several powerful weapons have been around in our nation for decades but no source of material for them. Not to mention once a large source of various metals is available there is a certain Alloy that i can create for the ships. Cant say you guys will like it much though.

[Aeiouia]

What i mean is i have to actually aim the front of my ship where i want it to go, I cant toss on the bottom thrusts and suddenly start moving upwards or start to strafe. Like an airplane, I have to point the front in the direction im moving. Like in Kerbal Space Program, You can just go,Bam i turned 90*, I have to vector out the maneuver.

Since you referenced Kerbal Space Program, I believe that this video might be relevant to the current discussion.

So, ramming is definitely NOT a viable tactic anymore.

No, it probably is not. But, since the new airframe is ridiculously durable, while also having terrible offensive weaponry, we are going to give it a shot. Aircraft ramming has historically been a tactic of desperation, after all. And it will be used to attempt to take out enemy strike craft when all else fails.

[Deminis]

What i mean is i have to actually aim the front of my ship where i want it to go, I cant toss on the bottom thrusts and suddenly start moving upwards or start to strafe. Like an airplane, I have to point the front in the direction im moving. Like in Kerbal Space Program, You can just go,Bam i turned 90*, I have to vector out the maneuver.

Since you referenced Kerbal Space Program, I believe that this video might be relevant to the current discussion.

Yes but you have to remember that my ships were originally 5 (or 25 for the F-10) Seperate shuttles that connected together in space. These are not anything like that, This thing flys more simular to one of Jacksepticeye's mass stacked rockets, Yeah you know the one, the one where he couldnt add more thrusters...

[Tinfect]

I know we have no armor... But you see the problem is.. Canon of my nation is this... All of the best metal we had, went into our pordials. What my plan is, once the ships enter Ringworlds space, Is to request mining operation on an inhabitable planet. A vast source of material we can use to create more powerful reactors, larger ships, and ,something i have been waiting to add to my nation, The Exibitor a 200mm rifled hydrogen based plasma cannon. But my nation has no source of titanium to construct that particular weapon.... Not be confused, there are other weapons we intend to build and modifie, The designs for several powerful weapons have been around in our nation for decades but no source of material for them. Not to mention once a large source of various metals is available there is a certain Alloy that i can create for the ships. Cant say you guys will like it much though.

Your factbooks do not mention what a "Pordial" is, so would you be willing to explain that?
In any case, if your nation is on so near to resource-exhaustion that you do not have any proper metals to work on Armour, then you have far bigger problems than a simple lack of a proper Military. If you need resources, try petitioning some of the nations here ICly, the Imperium, at least, has the Resources to spare, and, unless we have some reason to dislike your nation, the only real opposition to International Aid is Overseer Steiner, as Andersen Saar is about as "Bleeding-Heart", for lack of a better term, as it gets, even if he is one of the driving factors in keeping the Population under Imperial Control, and Markov is more than willing to do something that improves our International Image.

[Deminis]

The Pordial's armor is made of heavy alloy 1/2in plates with lead interior lining and is can withstand the blast at the center of a nuclear bomb. Its two seperate 250 mm Coil based cannons are capable of tearing apart entire armies of armor and aircraft alike. Four corner mounted 100mm Cannons can load a large multitude of munitions with no blind spots. Two 50mm Chainer cannons centered on the front and back designed to lay heavy fire upon hostile aircraft and infantry alike. With a max speed of 15 mph the Pordial is a slow moving death,weighing in at 150 tons. The Pordial was based off of the german Super Heavy Design (Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte) but uses new light weight super dense alloys to reduce the weight. Fueled using Tesla-feed Electric engines.

This is the pordial, Though they often go through modifications. Mostly just moving the turrtes to differant spots or trading out a 100mm for two seperate 50mm's or something like that.

[Blakullar]

The Pordial's armor is made of heavy alloy 1/2in plates with lead interior lining and is can withstand the blast at the center of a nuclear bomb. Its two seperate 250 mm Coil based cannons are capable of tearing apart entire armies of armor and aircraft alike. Four corner mounted 100mm Cannons can load a large multitude of munitions with no blind spots. Two 50mm Chainer cannons centered on the front and back designed to lay heavy fire upon hostile aircraft and infantry alike. With a max speed of 15 mph the Pordial is a slow moving death,weighing in at 150 tons. The Pordial was based off of the german Super Heavy Design (Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte) but uses new light weight super dense alloys to reduce the weight. Fueled using Tesla-feed Electric engines.

This is the pordial, Though they often go through modifications. Mostly just moving the turrtes to differant spots or trading out a 100mm for two seperate 50mm's or something like that.

... Your nation poured all its resources into that? Y'do realise that all it takes to put that thing out of commission is a well-placed EMP warhead or a space-based weapon?

(Or one of my IS-44s, which has a 300mm Gauss gun and 1.5m thick titanium-carbon alloy armour.)

[Tinfect]

The Pordial's armor is made of heavy alloy 1/2in plates with lead interior lining and is can withstand the blast at the center of a nuclear bomb. Its two seperate 250 mm Coil based cannons are capable of tearing apart entire armies of armor and aircraft alike. Four corner mounted 100mm Cannons can load a large multitude of munitions with no blind spots. Two 50mm Chainer cannons centered on the front and back designed to lay heavy fire upon hostile aircraft and infantry alike. With a max speed of 15 mph the Pordial is a slow moving death,weighing in at 150 tons. The Pordial was based off of the german Super Heavy Design (Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte) but uses new light weight super dense alloys to reduce the weight. Fueled using Tesla-feed Electric engines.

This is the pordial, Though they often go through modifications. Mostly just moving the turrtes to differant spots or trading out a 100mm for two seperate 50mm's or something like that.

So it is a Tank? While I seriously doubt the strength of your armour, that is not really my area of expertise, so I will refrain from extended comment on that, just know that I highly doubt it could withstand a Nuclear Bomb, even the smaller ones.
Might I ask exactly what you need the Tank for? Does your Nation not control the whole of earth? And if not, a tank with a maximum speed of 15 Miles per Hour would be rather useless for anything but single-area defense.
Now, as for "Coil Based Cannons" are those Tesla Coil based, as with the theme of your nation? Or are they more along the lines of Gauss Cannons?

Now, the tank would be outclassed by a single Grand Praetor MBT, even if your Pordial would be on roughly even terms with a Medium Tank. And I highly doubt that it would have taken the last of your resources to build such a thing.

[Deminis]

The Pordial's armor is made of heavy alloy 1/2in plates with lead interior lining and is can withstand the blast at the center of a nuclear bomb. Its two seperate 250 mm Coil based cannons are capable of tearing apart entire armies of armor and aircraft alike. Four corner mounted 100mm Cannons can load a large multitude of munitions with no blind spots. Two 50mm Chainer cannons centered on the front and back designed to lay heavy fire upon hostile aircraft and infantry alike. With a max speed of 15 mph the Pordial is a slow moving death,weighing in at 150 tons. The Pordial was based off of the german Super Heavy Design (Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte) but uses new light weight super dense alloys to reduce the weight. Fueled using Tesla-feed Electric engines.

This is the pordial, Though they often go through modifications. Mostly just moving the turrtes to differant spots or trading out a 100mm for two seperate 50mm's or something like that.

So it is a Tank? While I seriously doubt the strength of your armour, that is not really my area of expertise, so I will refrain from extended comment on that, just know that I highly doubt it could withstand a Nuclear Bomb, even the smaller ones.
Might I ask exactly what you need the Tank for? Does your Nation not control the whole of earth? And if not, a tank with a maximum speed of 15 Miles per Hour would be rather useless for anything but single-area defense.
Now, as for "Coil Based Cannons" are those Tesla Coil based, as with the theme of your nation? Or are they more along the lines of Gauss Cannons?

Now, the tank would be outclassed by a single Grand Praetor MBT, even if your Pordial would be on roughly even terms with a Medium Tank. And I highly doubt that it would have taken the last of your resources to build such a thing.

The pordial tank was desiged to be three times the size of the theoretical German Landkreuzer "Ratte" And is fully armored in Tungsten Carbide.
It's default equipment consists of two 120mm cannons four 100mm cannons and a pair of 50mm RACs...and can be changed within an hour in a designated facility. My nations shell based ammo types does include a few energy based capacitors(allowing Laser, Particle and Sound weapons).
No, My nation does not control the whole planet. As every one in my nation is to busy trying to obtain new knowledge (Being a highly intelligence based nation) But if any one does attack they dont last very long as our light,medium and heavy tanks(Not yet fact booked) Also have access to those Energy Capaciters i mentioned above.

[Tinfect]

The pordial tank was desiged to be three times the size of the theoretical German Landkreuzer "Ratte"

Larger, and significantly weaker, not to mention slower, than a Grand Praetor.

And is fully armored in Tungsten Carbide.

Tungsten Carbide does not seem to have many applications in armour... I am fairly certain that even Modern forms of armour are far better than it...

My nation does not control the whole planet. As every one in my nation is to busy trying to obtain new knowledge (Being a highly intelligence based nation) But if any one does attack they dont last very long as our light,medium and heavy tanks(Not yet fact booked) Also have access to those Energy Capaciters i mentioned above.

If you are at such a resource strapped point, you have far larger problems than low Technological Advancement... Perhaps it would be better to refocus efforts through Government? If you are getting nowhere scientifically, focus on resource extraction.

[Deminis]

The pordial tank was desiged to be three times the size of the theoretical German Landkreuzer "Ratte"

Larger, and significantly weaker, not to mention slower, than a Grand Praetor.

And is fully armored in Tungsten Carbide.

Tungsten Carbide does not seem to have many applications in armour... I am fairly certain that even Modern forms of armour are far better than it...

My nation does not control the whole planet. As every one in my nation is to busy trying to obtain new knowledge (Being a highly intelligence based nation) But if any one does attack they dont last very long as our light,medium and heavy tanks(Not yet fact booked) Also have access to those Energy Capaciters i mentioned above.

If you are at such a resource strapped point, you have far larger problems than low Technological Advancement... Perhaps it would be better to refocus efforts through Government? If you are getting nowhere scientifically, focus on resource extraction.

That last part is the biggest problem, For our alt earth, Deminis is the most technological nation on the planet. Other nations do come up with a few interesting things, But Deminisian scientists are able to immediate put them to their full potential.

But as far as Tungsten Carbide, it ranks just under Diamond in any hardness scale. It is the only metal to reach such a density, modernly speaking.

Not to mention, The alt universe i am in is actually a decade or more behind in comparison to most of your nations/Universes.

[Tinfect]

That last part is the biggest problem, For our alt earth, Deminis is the most technological nation on the planet. Other nations do come up with a few interesting things, But Deminisian scientists are able to immediate put them to their full potential.

That has nothing to do with resources?

But as far as Tungsten Carbide, it ranks just under Diamond in any hardness scale. It is the only metal to reach such a density, modernly speaking.

I am going to have to ask for a source on that, as I cannot find anything that even brings up Tungsten Carbide as a legitimate possibility for Armour.

Not to mention, The alt universe i am in is actually a decade or more behind in comparison to most of your nations/Universes.

decade

Maybe after a hundred years or so, you could say that. If the Imperium was not on the verge of a Technological Leap that will make our current state look properly primitive by comparison.

[Allancia]

But as far as Tungsten Carbide, it ranks just under Diamond in any hardness scale. It is the only metal to reach such a density, modernly speaking.

Not to mention, The alt universe i am in is actually a decade or more behind in comparison to most of your nations/Universes.

Tungsten Carbide flakes, and can cause severe lung problems.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679595/

[Deminis]

But as far as Tungsten Carbide, it ranks just under Diamond in any hardness scale. It is the only metal to reach such a density, modernly speaking.

Not to mention, The alt universe i am in is actually a decade or more behind in comparison to most of your nations/Universes.

Tungsten Carbide flakes, and can cause severe lung problems.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679595/

The armor is Tungsten Carbide, The interior is a lining of steel sheets, just enough to prevent the airborne material to enter the internal areas. Air intakes are heavily filtered to prevent material from entering the "Cabin"

[Atomic Utopia]

Tungsten Carbide flakes, and can cause severe lung problems.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679595/

The armor is Tungsten Carbide, The interior is a lining of steel sheets, just enough to prevent the airborne material to enter the internal areas. Air intakes are heavily filtered to prevent material from entering the "Cabin"

Well but of course you would have filters. NBC protection is standard on tanks IRL, and if I enter, you will get a lot of use out of those filters.

[Excidium Planetis]

I believe you need more of an explanation for that.
1) Airplanes use turbines or jet engines, neither of which work in space, I believe.
2) Why would your craft not be able to have 3D movement? Space is a three dimensional battlefield.

I think you made me even more confused than originally.

What i mean is i have to actually aim the front of my ship where i want it to go, I cant toss on the bottom thrusts and suddenly start moving upwards or start to strafe. Like an airplane, I have to point the front in the direction im moving. Like in Kerbal Space Program, You can just go,Bam i turned 90*, I have to vector out the maneuver.


And like i said before, These are not meant for close range combat, their long range bombardment units. They unleash huge amount of shells and leave, While they are moving another group of ships in another spot unleashes to cover them. That is to say, they make for good ambushes, early warning and defense units. They make for good mobile outposts. They get to where their going, they aim, and they wait.

All our ships are like that. Gladius Class Corvettes and the atmospheric capable variants of the Pike Class are the only exeptions, as their thrusters can turn for VTOL operation in atmosphere.

I suggest changing "maximum speed" to the more scientific Δv. It is mostly a measurement of fuel, but it shows the maximum change in velocity your ship can undergo on one load of fuel (IE, maximum speed on one fuel tank if you don't intend to stop or slow down). Our ships do not list this, but that is because combinations of solar panels, sails, mining vessels to retrieve fuel form asteroids and such, and our larger ships acting as supply depots allows our entire fleet to never need to land on a planet. (We used the 4th approach for increasing Δv described on Atomic Rockets' page: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/r ... design.php )