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Excidium Planetis
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:54 am

Blakullar wrote:
Vistora wrote:
See Excidium's ridiculous nukebullets for why they are best used as catalysts.

Nuke-bul...

Anyway, it only takes a gram of antimatter and a gram of matter to create a Hiroshima-sized explosion. Theoretically, I could have nuke-bullets (but I don't, because that would be fucking stupid) as well as brick-sized nukes. One microgram, produced over the course of about an hour using contemporary Mecharussian antimatter-harvesting technology, should be all that's required for a decently-powerful concussion grenade.


Antimatter Initialized MicroFusion rounds are currently in development by Perelandran Armaments. The rounds are 15mm×100mm (or something) rocket propelled rounds fired from a specially constructed sniper rifle. The rounds contain a microgram of antimatter in a very small Penning trap and a gram (maybe more, I have to check again) of nuclear fuel mixture (1 part Uranium-235, 9 parts Deuterium). Upon detonation, the antimatter is fired into the Uranium, which undergoes fission thanks to the release of energy from the antimatter annihilation, and that triggers a fusion reaction in the deuterium. The result is a 95 ton (TNT equivalent) warhead in a small package. Comparison strength-wise is a modern fuel-air bomb.
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Vistora
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:22 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Blakullar wrote:Nuke-bul...

Anyway, it only takes a gram of antimatter and a gram of matter to create a Hiroshima-sized explosion. Theoretically, I could have nuke-bullets (but I don't, because that would be fucking stupid) as well as brick-sized nukes. One microgram, produced over the course of about an hour using contemporary Mecharussian antimatter-harvesting technology, should be all that's required for a decently-powerful concussion grenade.


Antimatter Initialized MicroFusion rounds are currently in development by Perelandran Armaments. The rounds are 15mm×100mm (or something) rocket propelled rounds fired from a specially constructed sniper rifle. The rounds contain a microgram of antimatter in a very small Penning trap and a gram (maybe more, I have to check again) of nuclear fuel mixture (1 part Uranium-235, 9 parts Deuterium). Upon detonation, the antimatter is fired into the Uranium, which undergoes fission thanks to the release of energy from the antimatter annihilation, and that triggers a fusion reaction in the deuterium. The result is a 95 ton (TNT equivalent) warhead in a small package. Comparison strength-wise is a modern fuel-air bomb.


We use antimatter as a primary for our pure-fusion orbital nukes. Though it doesn't ameliorate the radiative neutron flux, it does away with the far dirtier aspects of utilizing fissile material in a bomb.

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Vistora
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:33 am

Autem Galacticus Nexum wrote:
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Uhhhhhhh... no? Define "efficient". The primary product of hadron annihilations are gamma rays and mesons, which are unstable and further degenerate into a bunch of other shit (that's the scientific term).

As for your comments on the strong force, I'm assuming that you're talking about the mass-generating inter-quark binding energies that result from it. Yes, a lot of energy resides within these bonds, and I suppose that, ultimately, ou would certainly derive a lot more energy from a single hadron annihilation than a lepton annihilation. The trade-off is that it takes more energy to produce.

And if I weren't struggling enough, I haven't a clue what you mean by "salvage".


Efficiency: achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense.

Electron-positron annihilation would be wasted expense, since both of the particles would be effectively converted to equal energy, and not the equivalent particles or more to conduct more reactions. If one future civilization has the ability to construct hadronic attractors through the utilization of negative quark charges compared to those of normal hadron flavours, then they need little use for hadron production.

Remember, we are not talking about the Earth in 2015 A.D, we are talking about civilizations with technological progress surpassing possibly thousands of years of modern postulation and research. Seemingly impossible things in the modern world of normal & quantum physics may become an undisclosed reality in the future.

Salvage = re-utilization of hadron particles. Such a strong force between each other with stick them close together, but with an "uber tech" as I said, a civilization can find a way to counteract the sticking with another utilization; possibly invoking annihilation.

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Matter-antimatter annihilation is not like a nuclear chain reaction; you don't use it to catalyze more reactions. When two hadrons, matter and antimatter, annihilate, the product is typically photons and mesons. Since mesons are unstable, and further degenerate into leptons, there's no point in trying to capture them, so I'm still not sure what you mean by "salvaging" when there's nothing to salvage.

Also, be very careful with your nomenclature. In QM, "flavor" is already taken.

Honestly, you seem to be throwing words around with only a basic understanding of their meaning.

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Blakullar
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Postby Blakullar » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:57 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Blakullar wrote:Nuke-bul...

Anyway, it only takes a gram of antimatter and a gram of matter to create a Hiroshima-sized explosion. Theoretically, I could have nuke-bullets (but I don't, because that would be fucking stupid) as well as brick-sized nukes. One microgram, produced over the course of about an hour using contemporary Mecharussian antimatter-harvesting technology, should be all that's required for a decently-powerful concussion grenade.


Antimatter Initialized MicroFusion rounds are currently in development by Perelandran Armaments. The rounds are 15mm×100mm (or something) rocket propelled rounds fired from a specially constructed sniper rifle. The rounds contain a microgram of antimatter in a very small Penning trap and a gram (maybe more, I have to check again) of nuclear fuel mixture (1 part Uranium-235, 9 parts Deuterium). Upon detonation, the antimatter is fired into the Uranium, which undergoes fission thanks to the release of energy from the antimatter annihilation, and that triggers a fusion reaction in the deuterium. The result is a 95 ton (TNT equivalent) warhead in a small package. Comparison strength-wise is a modern fuel-air bomb.

Now that makes far more sense than what I was thinking of when 'nuke-bullets' came to mind, which was a minigun-type weapon firing bullets with the explosive power of a nuclear warhead...

I actually have a similar prototype weapon in my headcanon, though the 'bullets' are actually rather smaller and each 'rocklet' has instead the explosive power of a rocket-propelled grenade.
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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:14 am

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guided laser pulses are the future
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Vistora
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:57 am

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:fuck this

guided laser pulses are the future


Sounds wanky. Unless the laser is only the guidance system itself, why the hell would it need to be guided?

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Postby Maljaratas » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:49 am

Vistora wrote:
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:fuck this

guided laser pulses are the future


Sounds wanky. Unless the laser is only the guidance system itself, why the hell would it need to be guided?

So it can turn corners.
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Vistora
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:13 am

Maljaratas wrote:
Vistora wrote:
Sounds wanky. Unless the laser is only the guidance system itself, why the hell would it need to be guided?

So it can turn corners.


So what can turn corners?

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Vistora
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:32 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Blakullar wrote:Nuke-bul...

Anyway, it only takes a gram of antimatter and a gram of matter to create a Hiroshima-sized explosion. Theoretically, I could have nuke-bullets (but I don't, because that would be fucking stupid) as well as brick-sized nukes. One microgram, produced over the course of about an hour using contemporary Mecharussian antimatter-harvesting technology, should be all that's required for a decently-powerful concussion grenade.


Antimatter Initialized MicroFusion rounds are currently in development by Perelandran Armaments. The rounds are 15mm×100mm (or something) rocket propelled rounds fired from a specially constructed sniper rifle. The rounds contain a microgram of antimatter in a very small Penning trap and a gram (maybe more, I have to check again) of nuclear fuel mixture (1 part Uranium-235, 9 parts Deuterium). Upon detonation, the antimatter is fired into the Uranium, which undergoes fission thanks to the release of energy from the antimatter annihilation, and that triggers a fusion reaction in the deuterium. The result is a 95 ton (TNT equivalent) warhead in a small package. Comparison strength-wise is a modern fuel-air bomb.


I think that these nukebullets are, especially compared to some other FT weapon conceptions, fairly sound, but there are still some critical details to account for. First of all, I seriously doubt that a small piece of uranium releases enough radiation to power a penning trap with the size and sophistication to confine antimatter for long-term use, then accelerate it with enough precision to initiate and sustain nuclear fission.

Moving on, the amount of U-235 you have in each bullet is far, far below the critical mass, so much so that no amount of compression wankery can make up the difference.

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The Transcended Darkness
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Postby The Transcended Darkness » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:40 am

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:fuck this

guided laser pulses are the future


Weaponised nanobots are better.
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Postby The Unhallowed City » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:01 am

Vistora wrote:
Maljaratas wrote:So it can turn corners.


So what can turn corners?

It makes me throw up in my mouth a little, but I think he means the lasers.

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:19 am

>jumps on thread
>so many sciencey words
>jumps off thread
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Postby The Unhallowed City » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:22 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:>jumps on thread
>so many sciencey words
>jumps off thread

If necessary, I can plunge the LoM into Eldritch bullshit.

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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:25 am

The Unhallowed City wrote:
Vistora wrote:
So what can turn corners?

It makes me throw up in my mouth a little, but I think he means the lasers.


Fucking Christ I hope not.

The Transcended Darkness wrote:
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:fuck this

guided laser pulses are the future


Weaponised nanobots are better.


No. Fuk ur Drexlerian wankery.

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Postby Gigaverse » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:25 am

The Unhallowed City wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:>jumps on thread
>so many sciencey words
>jumps off thread

If necessary, I can plunge the LoM into Eldritch bullshit.

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Postby The Unhallowed City » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:27 am

Gigaverse wrote:
The Unhallowed City wrote:If necessary, I can plunge the LoM into Eldritch bullshit.

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Postby Blakullar » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:36 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:>jumps on thread
>so many sciencey words
>jumps off thread

*catches Frenco by scruff of neck*

Oh, no you don't! You have a Hammerfall post to make before I can let you go. (There is a reason I've been holding back on Red Planet as of late!)
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:48 am

Blakullar wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:>jumps on thread
>so many sciencey words
>jumps off thread

*catches Frenco by scruff of neck*

Oh, no you don't! You have a Hammerfall post to make before I can let you go. (There is a reason I've been holding back on Red Planet as of late!)


Did you see my missive on Autocratic Britain in the games?

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:51 am

Blakullar wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:>jumps on thread
>so many sciencey words
>jumps off thread

*catches Frenco by scruff of neck*

Oh, no you don't! You have a Hammerfall post to make before I can let you go. (There is a reason I've been holding back on Red Planet as of late!)

Unless you want a short, shitty post littered with autocorrected abortions, you'll have to wait another day or so; I don't have PC access. Mom needed my laptop to "research IRS bullshit" the past few days. :(
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:52 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Blakullar wrote:*catches Frenco by scruff of neck*

Oh, no you don't! You have a Hammerfall post to make before I can let you go. (There is a reason I've been holding back on Red Planet as of late!)

Unless you want a short, shitty post littered with autocorrected abortions, you'll have to wait another day or so; I don't have PC access. Mom needed my laptop to "research IRS bullshit" the past few days. :(


:rofl:

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Postby Blakullar » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:57 am

Vistora wrote:
Blakullar wrote:*catches Frenco by scruff of neck*

Oh, no you don't! You have a Hammerfall post to make before I can let you go. (There is a reason I've been holding back on Red Planet as of late!)


Did you see my missive on Autocratic Britain in the games?

Yes, I did. I'll give him until Friday to make a post before I (literally) write him off.

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Blakullar wrote:*catches Frenco by scruff of neck*

Oh, no you don't! You have a Hammerfall post to make before I can let you go. (There is a reason I've been holding back on Red Planet as of late!)

Unless you want a short, shitty post littered with autocorrected abortions, you'll have to wait another day or so; I don't have PC access. Mom needed my laptop to "research IRS bullshit" the past few days. :(

Ah, fair enough. Though, to be honest with you, that raises questions as to why it would take so long to do tax research, especially with the Internet...
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Postby Vistora » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:06 am

Blakullar wrote:
Vistora wrote:
Did you see my missive on Autocratic Britain in the games?

Yes, I did. I'll give him until Friday to make a post before I (literally) write him off.


I TGed him as well, so if he doesn't respond it's almost certainly due to absence.

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Postby Autem Galacticus Nexum » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:39 am

Autem Galacticus Nexum wrote:
Efficiency: achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense.

Electron-positron annihilation would be wasted expense, since both of the particles would be effectively converted to equal energy, and not the equivalent particles or more to conduct more reactions. If one future civilization has the ability to construct hadronic attractors through the utilization of negative quark charges compared to those of normal hadron flavours, then they need little use for hadron production.

Remember, we are not talking about the Earth in 2015 A.D, we are talking about civilizations with technological progress surpassing possibly thousands of years of modern postulation and research. Seemingly impossible things in the modern world of normal & quantum physics may become an undisclosed reality in the future.

Salvage = re-utilization of hadron particles. Such a strong force between each other with stick them close together, but with an "uber tech" as I said, a civilization can find a way to counteract the sticking with another utilization; possibly invoking annihilation.

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Vistora wrote:Matter-antimatter annihilation is not like a nuclear chain reaction; you don't use it to catalyze more reactions.


Never said that. Would be nice to highlight where that was said.

Vistora wrote:When two hadrons, matter and antimatter, annihilate, the product is typically photons and mesons.


I was talking about specific hadrons called baryons and mesons.


Vistora wrote:Since mesons are unstable, and further degenerate into leptons, there's no point in trying to capture them,


Yes there is; to utilize the hadronic decay and the resulting expulsion of energy.


Vistora wrote:So I'm still not sure what you mean by "salvaging" when there's nothing to salvage.


The particles themselves.

Vistora wrote:Also, be very careful with your nomenclature. In QM, "flavor" is already taken.


I am not talking about quarks, nor am I talking to a presidium of professors.


Vistora wrote:Honestly, you seem to be throwing words around with only a basic understanding of their meaning.


Kind of wrong with that scaling of assertion.
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Postby Autem Galacticus Nexum » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:47 am

Also, light can technically bend without the use of extensive ultramirrors for FT wars, through the usage of a counteracting gravity well. So, with having guided lasers, you must first fire a projectile that has a strong-but-small gravity well radius, that it can move on its own.
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Postby Maljaratas » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:16 am

The Unhallowed City wrote:
Vistora wrote:
So what can turn corners?

It makes me throw up in my mouth a little, but I think he means the lasers.

I did, but I was not being serious
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