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Ashkera
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Founded: May 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Ashkera » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:24 am

I like to have NS stats be at least somewhat representative of the ideas of the country, but it's not that big a deal. Most of mine are pretty on-point except for the corruption index, but I did just manage to crack "top 5% fastest growing economies".

But yeah, NS stats are whack. No real 1.2 billion country is going to have a GDP/cap of $159,000 with modern technology. Humans just aren't that productive by themselves.

I might do a bullet-point factbook in the future. My overview factbook keeps getting longer. I think it's still reasonable length, though, and the summary at the top should be enoigh for some people.
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Vistora
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Founded: May 25, 2015
Capitalizt

Postby Vistora » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:27 pm

Ashkera wrote:I like to have NS stats be at least somewhat representative of the ideas of the country, but it's not that big a deal. Most of mine are pretty on-point except for the corruption index, but I did just manage to crack "top 5% fastest growing economies".

But yeah, NS stats are whack. No real 1.2 billion country is going to have a GDP/cap of $159,000 with modern technology. Humans just aren't that productive by themselves.

I might do a bullet-point factbook in the future. My overview factbook keeps getting longer. I think it's still reasonable length, though, and the summary at the top should be enoigh for some people.


Though I have stopped trying to decipher the confusing and often contradictory nature of NS stats, and am sworn to stab out the eyes of anybody who brings them up in an F7 post, I'll admit that I still put in the effort to organize my NS stats as ideally as possible. I take pride in my medals.

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Blakullar
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Founded: Sep 07, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Blakullar » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:31 pm

Vistora wrote:
Ashkera wrote:I like to have NS stats be at least somewhat representative of the ideas of the country, but it's not that big a deal. Most of mine are pretty on-point except for the corruption index, but I did just manage to crack "top 5% fastest growing economies".

But yeah, NS stats are whack. No real 1.2 billion country is going to have a GDP/cap of $159,000 with modern technology. Humans just aren't that productive by themselves.

I might do a bullet-point factbook in the future. My overview factbook keeps getting longer. I think it's still reasonable length, though, and the summary at the top should be enoigh for some people.


Though I have stopped trying to decipher the confusing and often contradictory nature of NS stats, and am sworn to stab out the eyes of anybody who brings them up in an F7 post, I'll admit that I still put in the effort to organize my NS stats as ideally as possible. I take pride in my medals.

Stab out their eyes? Oh, hell no, that's nasty. Wearing a cape made from the braided scrotums of such people and drinking from a cup made from the skull of the last bloke to call me 'Blakullar' is about as far as I'll go, thanks...
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Allancia
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Founded: Jul 24, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Allancia » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:34 pm

Blakullar wrote:
Vistora wrote:
Though I have stopped trying to decipher the confusing and often contradictory nature of NS stats, and am sworn to stab out the eyes of anybody who brings them up in an F7 post, I'll admit that I still put in the effort to organize my NS stats as ideally as possible. I take pride in my medals.

Stab out their eyes? Oh, hell no, that's nasty. Wearing a cape made from the braided scrotums of such people and drinking from a cup made from the skull of the last bloke to call me 'Blakullar' is about as far as I'll go, thanks...

I'll keep my testcles, thanks.
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Vistora
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Founded: May 25, 2015
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Postby Vistora » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:03 pm

Blakullar wrote:
Vistora wrote:
Though I have stopped trying to decipher the confusing and often contradictory nature of NS stats, and am sworn to stab out the eyes of anybody who brings them up in an F7 post, I'll admit that I still put in the effort to organize my NS stats as ideally as possible. I take pride in my medals.

Stab out their eyes? Oh, hell no, that's nasty. Wearing a cape made from the braided scrotums of such people and drinking from a cup made from the skull of the last bloke to call me 'Blakullar' is about as far as I'll go, thanks...


I'm pretty sure I threatened to swap Evil Lord Bane's eyes with his 'nads using nothing more than a shot glass at some point.

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Blakullar
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Founded: Sep 07, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Blakullar » Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:30 pm

Vistora wrote:
Blakullar wrote:Stab out their eyes? Oh, hell no, that's nasty. Wearing a cape made from the braided scrotums of such people and drinking from a cup made from the skull of the last bloke to call me 'Blakullar' is about as far as I'll go, thanks...


I'm pretty sure I threatened to swap Evil Lord Bane's eyes with his 'nads using nothing more than a shot glass at some point.

Oof. I'm not one for such dastardly threats, but even I have a point where one is necessary. If I recall correctly, I once made a threat to a schoolyard bully that I would weave his guts into a belt if he didn't let a good friend of mine go.

That particular situation could have ended a lot better with hindsight, especially since he went home with a cracked jaw and I with two black eyes in the ensuing fight.
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Vistora
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Founded: May 25, 2015
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Postby Vistora » Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:24 pm

If suffering through a genocentric biotech doctorate is tantamount to being a war veteran, then Punnet squares are my PTSD trigger. Seriously, fuck those things. I don't care if they're useful.

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Autem Galacticus Nexum
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Founded: Apr 20, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Autem Galacticus Nexum » Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:58 pm

Vistora wrote:If suffering through a genocentric biotech doctorate is tantamount to being a war veteran, then Punnet squares are my PTSD trigger. Seriously, fuck those things. I don't care if they're useful.


http://scienceprimer.com/punnett-square-calculator

I use this to help with the astrobiology skedaddling.
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Vistora
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Founded: May 25, 2015
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Postby Vistora » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:18 pm

Autem Galacticus Nexum wrote:
Vistora wrote:If suffering through a genocentric biotech doctorate is tantamount to being a war veteran, then Punnet squares are my PTSD trigger. Seriously, fuck those things. I don't care if they're useful.


http://scienceprimer.com/punnett-square-calculator

I use this to help with the astrobiology skedaddling.


*HISSSSSSSSS*

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Autem Galacticus Nexum
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Postby Autem Galacticus Nexum » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:24 pm

Vistora wrote:
Autem Galacticus Nexum wrote:
http://scienceprimer.com/punnett-square-calculator

I use this to help with the astrobiology skedaddling.


*HISSSSSSSSS*


y r u lizardman
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Blakullar
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Founded: Sep 07, 2012
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Blakullar » Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:28 pm

Vistora wrote:If suffering through a genocentric biotech doctorate is tantamount to being a war veteran, then Punnet squares are my PTSD trigger. Seriously, fuck those things. I don't care if they're useful.

Writing about historiography is mine. I usually spend half the allocated time to write my essay thinking about who to write about, then I have to find the appropriate papers, and then I have to find reviews and journals and about seven trillion different types of sources, and if one source is a bit iffy the whole process repeats itself like the common cold.
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Singaporean Transhumans
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Founded: Dec 31, 2014
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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:44 am

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The Eastern Hegemony
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Posts: 259
Founded: Nov 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Eastern Hegemony » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:28 am

I'm back now. Sorry about that.

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Vistora
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Founded: May 25, 2015
Capitalizt

Postby Vistora » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:15 pm

Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?

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The Eastern Hegemony
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Founded: Nov 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Eastern Hegemony » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:36 pm

Vistora wrote:Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?


...I'm good.

I'd rather be neutered.

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Ashkera
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Founded: May 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Ashkera » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:47 pm

Vistora wrote:Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?


There's no one to maintain them, and it's unclear how much sensation they have. Also, NuPoz.

If we skip the NuPoz, then one could sell one off for about a quarter billion dollars, drastically advancing the prosthetics industry, and keep the other. That might work as a tradeoff.

I am aaaaaall about dat Motoko Kusanagi/Hideo Kuze full prosthetic, though. Well, dependingon whether it'd survive EMP from a nuke in the upper atmo.
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Factbook: The Fifth Empire of Ashkera [2018/2030] (updated 18.04.29) / Questions
Roaming squads of state-sponsored body-builders teach nerds to lift. "Fifth generation" cruise ships come equipped with naval reactors. Insurance inspectors are more feared than tax auditors. Turbine-powered "super interceptor" police cruisers patrol high-speed highways.

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Allancia
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Founded: Jul 24, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Allancia » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:48 pm

Vistora wrote:Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?

There's no one to fix them if they break, so I'd be a paraplegic pretty fast.
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Blakullar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Blakullar » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:50 pm

Vistora wrote:Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?

Fuck the hell yes I would. Over these stupid, flimsy rods of flesh, any day.
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Vistora
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Founded: May 25, 2015
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Postby Vistora » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:54 pm

NuPoz is not an issue, neither is maintenance, but you cannot use them for any other purpose than as a replacement limb.

The Eastern Hegemony wrote:
Vistora wrote:Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?


...I'm good.

I'd rather be neutered.


:eyebrow:

Luddy much?

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Ashkera
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Founded: May 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Ashkera » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:10 pm

Vistora wrote:NuPoz is not an issue, neither is maintenance, but you cannot use them for any other purpose than as a replacement limb.


Then a lot of it comes down to how well they can feel, and if it'd cause dysmorphia.

Even if neither is an issue, it wouldn't cause a huge increase in my happiness, since most of my problems are to do with mental illness rather than insufficient arm strength. (I'm also fairly risk-averse and wouldn't switch to a higher-risk profession just because robo-arms would help there.)

In this case, I think the whole package is worth more than the sum of its parts.
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A secretive Dominant-Party Technocracy located in the southwest of the Pacific Ocean
Factbook: The Fifth Empire of Ashkera [2018/2030] (updated 18.04.29) / Questions
Roaming squads of state-sponsored body-builders teach nerds to lift. "Fifth generation" cruise ships come equipped with naval reactors. Insurance inspectors are more feared than tax auditors. Turbine-powered "super interceptor" police cruisers patrol high-speed highways.

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Vistora
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Founded: May 25, 2015
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Postby Vistora » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:21 pm

Ashkera wrote:
Vistora wrote:NuPoz is not an issue, neither is maintenance, but you cannot use them for any other purpose than as a replacement limb.


Then a lot of it comes down to how well they can feel, and if it'd cause dysmorphia.

Even if neither is an issue, it wouldn't cause a huge increase in my happiness, since most of my problems are to do with mental illness rather than insufficient arm strength. (I'm also fairly risk-averse and wouldn't switch to a higher-risk profession just because robo-arms would help there.)

In this case, I think the whole package is worth more than the sum of its parts.


You're either overthinking it, and not boiling it down to the simple flesh and blood vs metal and plastic dichotomy it was meant to be

or

Underthinking it, not considering both the extra complexities and benefits it could confer. Do not forget that many of the prostheses in Deus Ex HR possess auxiliary functions. We'll assume that they can replicate human touch, and integration is sufficient to the point that they cause no adverse effects.

I suppose I'll provide the addendum that the prostheses can be equipped with secondary features of the user's choosing.

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Excidium Planetis
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:24 pm

Vistora wrote:Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?


I don't see how having these robotic arms is an improvement over what I already have. They won't be better for typing responses on NS, or studying, so I really have no better use for them than as regular arms.

Not only that, but as pointed out, they might be less sensitive and so could probably be worse for daily use than baseline arms.
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Tinfect
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:50 pm

Vistora wrote:Alright, show of hands; who here would willingly have one or both of their arms amputated for them to be replaced with genuine Deus Ex-style prosthetics, complements of Sarif Industries?


Eh, fuck it, I'd take 'em. At least that way I can throw around Baseliner as an insult.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:02 pm

When I screw up in PE, I always hoped that I could have a cybernetic arm or two so I can actually perform an underhand serve.

And also a brain chip when I screw up in Maths.

Well there comes the problem of augmentations, first of all in academical terms the augmented have an unfair advantage over everyone else, PE being a first one and then if you have a brainchip virtually everything. any solutions people
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Vistora
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Postby Vistora » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:04 pm

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:When I screw up in PE, I always hoped that I could have a cybernetic arm or two so I can actually perform an underhand serve.

And also a brain chip when I screw up in Maths.

Well there comes the problem of augmentations, first of all in academical terms the augmented have an unfair advantage over everyone else, PE being a first one and then if you have a brainchip virtually everything. any solutions people


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