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[Vistora]

MECHANICAL/SYNTHETIC CAMP	GENETICS/NEURO CAMP	SYNCRETIC/PIZZA THEORY CAMP
Blakullar Nexus of Man/Autem Galacticus Nexum Tinfect Ashkera The Andromeda Confederation	Vistora New Frenco Empire	Singaporean Transhumans Gigaverse (possibly)

I can assure--and I speak from five years' experience in the matter--that the difficulties of genetic engineering lie elsewhere. Those particular mechanical aspects are fairly easy to handle, so long as you're not trying to compile an entire genome from scratch. Genetic engineering, at least in today's capacity, is all about taking what nature's already done and progressively tweaking it here and there until you have a sequence that more or less performs an intended function. It's a little less top-down than traditional mechatronic engineering.



Hah, no self respecting pro-geneticist could go anything but Harmony. That's what it's all about. Purity rejects augmentations altogether.

We're probably not on the same source material. Harmony rejects most forms of human science and allows themselves to be swallowed by the outside. Purity, on the other hand, actually makes full use of genetic sciences to remove disability and "perfect" humanity in it's natural state.

I'm going off of Civ Beyond Earth. I didn't know there were any other sources.

[New Frenco Empire]

We're probably not on the same source material. Harmony rejects most forms of human science and allows themselves to be swallowed by the outside. Purity, on the other hand, actually makes full use of genetic sciences to remove disability and "perfect" humanity in it's natural state.

I'm going off of Civ Beyond Earth. I didn't know there were any other sources.

I mean, a lot of the genetics-based sciences in the game are rooted in a Purity tech web. Purity aren't Luddites; Harmony would be the closest to that.

[Vistora]

I'm going off of Civ Beyond Earth. I didn't know there were any other sources.

I mean, a lot of the genetics-based sciences in the game are rooted in a Purity tech web. Purity aren't Luddites; Harmony would be the closest to that.

What? Maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly, but Harmony was all about using genetics and other biological sciences to integrate with the aliens, eventually culminating in advanced neuropsionics. Purity was more about terraformation, defense, and generally recreating earthlike conditions.

http://well-of-souls.com/civ/images/tech_web4.jpg

Looking at the tech web now, it seems that each category of science is divided up fairly equally amongst each affinity.

[Ashkera]

The genetic approach will always be at cross-purposes from a design perspective. It requires focusing on both cell division, replication, and placement, and strength, speed, etc. Pure machine is free to focus on just strength/speed/etc.

Also, it should have a higher maximum density of computronium for the same reason.

At a certain point, the line becomes too blurred for it to matter. Alexandria just focused on advancement of cybernetics and things, right up until it was so advanced that they were using their nanotechnology for rapid fabrication of pseudo-organic bodies. Entirely biological in function, but born from machines.

With nanotech, it can get a bit blurry, and you could potentially do things like grow cells in one place and then move them. In general, though, with organic your subcomponents need to have two focuses (cell growth and division and all that are the reason cells are the way they are), and with pure synthetic they only need to have one (what it's supposed to do). Going higher tech shrinks the volume needed for both, but an equivalently high-tech synthetic will still have higher utility output per unit volume.

[Blakullar]

(Harmony/Supremacy)
So long as the mind remains human, there is no need to shy away from extreme augmentation of the body.

Hah, no self respecting pro-geneticist could go anything but Harmony. That's what it's all about. Purity rejects augmentations altogether.

Both of you are crap, anyway.

While the idiots that call themselves Purists and Harmonists are bickering over whether or not to nuke the alien fauna from orbit, us Supremacists have made it our mission to bring about the technological enlightenment of the human race. Whether you wish to follow us in our crusade or not (I'm going for no, judging on how one camp is a bunch of treehugging heretics that would prostitute our entire species to the nearest alien army in a pinch, and the other is a pack of pathetically-sentimental conservatives doomed to repeat mistakes made on Earth) is another matter.

[Acheronis]

Hah, no self respecting pro-geneticist could go anything but Harmony. That's what it's all about. Purity rejects augmentations altogether.

Both of you are crap, anyway.

While the idiots that call themselves Purists and Harmonists are bickering over whether or not to nuke the alien fauna from orbit, us Supremacists have made it our mission to bring about the technological enlightenment of the human race. Whether you wish to follow us in our crusade or not (I'm going for no, judging on how one camp is a bunch of treehugging heretics that would prostitute our entire species to the nearest alien army in a pinch, and the other is a pack of pathetically-sentimental conservatives doomed to repeat mistakes made on Earth) is another matter.

*Waves Supremacy banner*

[Autem Galacticus Nexum]

Hah, no self respecting pro-geneticist could go anything but Harmony. That's what it's all about. Purity rejects augmentations altogether.

Both of you are crap, anyway.

While the idiots that call themselves Purists and Harmonists are bickering over whether or not to nuke the alien fauna from orbit, us Supremacists have made it our mission to bring about the technological enlightenment of the human race. Whether you wish to follow us in our crusade or not (I'm going for no, judging on how one camp is a bunch of treehugging heretics that would prostitute our entire species to the nearest alien army in a pinch, and the other is a pack of pathetically-sentimental conservatives doomed to repeat mistakes made on Earth) is another matter.

>mfw the nexum is both purity and supremacy

[Blakullar]

Both of you are crap, anyway.

While the idiots that call themselves Purists and Harmonists are bickering over whether or not to nuke the alien fauna from orbit, us Supremacists have made it our mission to bring about the technological enlightenment of the human race. Whether you wish to follow us in our crusade or not (I'm going for no, judging on how one camp is a bunch of treehugging heretics that would prostitute our entire species to the nearest alien army in a pinch, and the other is a pack of pathetically-sentimental conservatives doomed to repeat mistakes made on Earth) is another matter.

>mfw the nexum is both purity and supremacy

>nexum
>purity
>'artifically evolves to a new human race'

wat

[Aeiouia]

Technically, we would be Supremacy, just minus all of the militarism. We might have a bit of Harmonist in us as well due to said pacifism and whatnot, but turning people into robots still takes priority over genetically enhancing them. Of course, unlike the Beyond Earth Supremacists, we have no intention of forcing anyone to become a robot, though.

Granted, we only have one human-like race in our ranks, and we all have no connections to Earth Humanity whatsoever. So, the comparison to being human is kind of not applicable.

[Vistora]

At a certain point, the line becomes too blurred for it to matter. Alexandria just focused on advancement of cybernetics and things, right up until it was so advanced that they were using their nanotechnology for rapid fabrication of pseudo-organic bodies. Entirely biological in function, but born from machines.

With nanotech, it can get a bit blurry, and you could potentially do things like grow cells in one place and then move them. In general, though, with organic your subcomponents need to have two focuses (cell growth and division and all that are the reason cells are the way they are), and with pure synthetic they only need to have one (what it's supposed to do). Going higher tech shrinks the volume needed for both, but an equivalently high-tech synthetic will still have higher utility output per unit volume.

I don't even want to deal with nanotech. Nanotech is where stuff becomes rather contentious, especially when synthetic Drexlerian nano becomes involved.

Hah, no self respecting pro-geneticist could go anything but Harmony. That's what it's all about. Purity rejects augmentations altogether.

Both of you are crap, anyway.

While the idiots that call themselves Purists and Harmonists are bickering over whether or not to nuke the alien fauna from orbit, us Supremacists have made it our mission to bring about the technological enlightenment of the human race. Whether you wish to follow us in our crusade or not (I'm going for no, judging on how one camp is a bunch of treehugging heretics that would prostitute our entire species to the nearest alien army in a pinch, and the other is a pack of pathetically-sentimental conservatives doomed to repeat mistakes made on Earth) is another matter.

Oh, how's that singularity going, Kurzweil? Last time I checked, biology had the whole sentience thing on lockdown for the past several million years. And now that we've just started decrypting the syntax that codes our lives, we are now on the path to write the game itself.

[Autem Galacticus Nexum]

>mfw the nexum is both purity and supremacy

>nexum
>purity
>'artifically evolves to a new human race'

wat

The Nexum considers the Homo renascitur to be the purest form of humanity, physically, psychologically, and religiously.

[Vistora]

>nexum
>purity
>'artifically evolves to a new human race'

wat

The Nexum considers the Homo renascitur to be the purest form of humanity, physically, psychologically, and religiously.

This seems like a subject imminently facing a pissing match over semantics.

Three!

Two!

One!

FIGHT!

[Acheronis]

>nexum
>purity
>'artifically evolves to a new human race'

wat

The Nexum considers the Homo renascitur to be the purest form of humanity, physically, psychologically, and religiously.

Whereas on the other hand we could never see the humanii as being truly pure.

[Blakullar]

The Nexum considers the Homo renascitur to be the purest form of humanity, physically, psychologically, and religiously.

Whereas on the other hand we could never see the humanii as being truly pure.

We generally couldn't care less about 'purity'. Using the technological potential of our species to upgrade ourselves is the Mecharussian State's number-one priority, and as long as there are humans to upgrade, it will always be that way.

[Novum Alexandria]

Whereas on the other hand we could never see the humanii as being truly pure.

We generally couldn't care less about 'purity'. Using the technological potential of our species to upgrade ourselves is the Mecharussian State's number-one priority, and as long as there are humans to upgrade, it will always be that way.

This, among other things, is why Mecho-Russia would have the favour of the Machine Imperium.

The Nexum considers the Homo renascitur to be the purest form of humanity, physically, psychologically, and religiously.

Whereas on the other hand we could never see the humanii as being truly pure.

What is considered pure?

[Vistora]

What is considered pure?

Like I said; a semantics pissing match

[Singaporean Transhumans]

I have seen little of any of the pizza theory members making valid points to their own ideology. Really, just, syncretize everything and life would be far easier.

[Vistora]

I have seen little of any of the pizza theory members making valid points to their own ideology. Really, just, syncretize everything and life would be far easier.

Normally, Vistora would fit squarely into the Pizza camp, but we've decided to fight for the underdog Geneticists at this time.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

I have seen little of any of the pizza theory members making valid points to their own ideology. Really, just, syncretize everything and life would be far easier.

Normally, Vistora would fit squarely into the Pizza camp, but we've decided to fight for the underdog Geneticists at this time.

HERESY

only round pizza u scrub

[Vistora]

Normally, Vistora would fit squarely into the Pizza camp, but we've decided to fight for the underdog Geneticists at this time.

HERESY

only round pizza u scrub

NO, FAK U. HAFF PIZZA STRONK.

[Excidium Planetis]

And then there's Excidium, who's goals are as follows:

>Modifications? Who cares.
>Builds invincible armada that conquers from orbit.
>Pays mercenaries when necessary.
>Subjugates alien race that is superior to your modified humans.
>Gives citizenship to them.
>Compulsory Military Service.
>Conquer you with superior alien race.

[Vistora]

And then there's Excidium, who's goals are as follows:

>Modifications? Who cares.
>Builds invincible armada that conquers from orbit.
>Pays mercenaries when necessary.
>Subjugates alien race that is superior to your modified humans.
>Gives citizenship to them.
>Compulsory Military Service.
>Conquer you with superior alien race.

I... think you're missing the point



Better luck next time

[Singaporean Transhumans]

>Subjugates alien race that is superior to your modified humans.

But can your aliens beat the GLORIOUS 204TH BRIGADE OF TESLIC CITY??!!!

jk

Modification and enhancement is an endless process, so we can always make our humans more powerful, eventually able to kill your aliens who receive no upgrades. This especially becomes the case with Singaporeans, enhanced to become 'generic video game main characters who die after a dozen shots only and can jump endlessly without oxygen problems'.

[Acheronis]

>Subjugates alien race that is superior to your modified humans.

And what my modified aliens? And don't forget the constructs. The constructs are important.

On another note, what are peoples thoughts on joining with a puppet for IC reasons? Seeing as I already have a few nations in the LoM already...

[New Frenco Empire]

Hah, no self respecting pro-geneticist could go anything but Harmony. That's what it's all about. Purity rejects augmentations altogether.

Both of you are crap, anyway.

While the idiots that call themselves Purists and Harmonists are bickering over whether or not to nuke the alien fauna from orbit, us Supremacists have made it our mission to bring about the technological enlightenment of the human race. Whether you wish to follow us in our crusade or not (I'm going for no, judging on how one camp is a bunch of treehugging heretics that would prostitute our entire species to the nearest alien army in a pinch, and the other is a pack of pathetically-sentimental conservatives doomed to repeat mistakes made on Earth) is another matter.

Pfft. Oh please! If humanity decided to say "fuck it, let's become unfeeling robots" and destroyed it's own culture, heritage, pride and identity every time disaster strikes, we wouldn't be who we were!

I'll let you in on a little secret. It isn't the human skin that's flawed. It isn't the human bones. It isn't the human blood. It's the one thing you wish to preserve; the human mind. Purity seeks to keep humanity in line this time around, watching vigilantly over New Earth with our keen eye on history to prevent a repeat. What safeguards do machines have? When disaster comes for you, how will you know how to respond? Allowing yourself to be consumed by humanity's technology leaves you vulnerable! A few corrupted lines of code and your entire race will be history. In many respects, you can be broken with ease. Humans...for all our "organic softness", aren't bound to machines. We only break when we bleed. And you'll have to bleed a lot of humans to succeed!