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[Deminis]

Wait hydrogen has mass? WHAT!!! NO!!! RESEARCH YOU HAVE FAILED ME!!! I need a moment...

Wow. Just wow.

So we're going Hard-FT space battle on this simulation?

Personally im' trying to be as close to modern as possible, Obviously i'll use some post modern, so i can participate in events like the up coming sim.

So, That is why i have space craft now...

[Allancia]

Wow. Just wow.

So we're going Hard-FT space battle on this simulation?

Personally im' trying to be as close to modern as possible, Obviously i'll use some post modern, so i can participate in events like the up coming sim.

So, That is why i have space craft now...

Oh yeah, it seems you and me are going to be fighting with each other. As long as you AIs and ansibles, you should be gud.

[Excidium Planetis]

1) You are using Atomic Rockets for your calculations, right? Very helpful website.
2) I'm going to need a source for using Chromium Hydride as a viable armor material. My research indicates Chromium Hydride has no such applications, especially because some forms of it burn easily in air:


3) That is a very fascinating rocket thruster. I might decide to have it as the primary propulsion means of many of my ships, because we love nuclear reactors, and the durability of the VASIMR is useful for our ships.
However, you might have to completely throw out your dreams of a stealth craft. According to Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_ ... sma_Rocket )

So unless you have an advanced form of thermal disposal that mimics background star radiation, I don't think you'll be able to hide your ships very well.

Would i add the exhaust speed once per engine? or is there a specific method to get the total? I did the calculations for if i had one engine and i ended up with a Delta-V: 105,000 (estimated to nearest thousand) on my small ships.

As for the chromium alloy, I apologies, i think i misread it. Re reading the site shows that Titanium is used to stabilize the materials. However after some more searching i have found a viable replacement that is called B2, a steel based alloy created just last year in korea. It is very similar to ceramics from what i understand.

Thank you very much for that site btw, after about an hour i was able to redo the wet mass of my ships and calculate the Delta-V.

Next step is to develop some fighter units.

1) I don't actually know. Ask Atomic Utopia for advice. Or the people in the military realism thread, one of them might be a physics major.

2) That looks like great armor. Now you just have to come up with a plausible explanation for solving the oxidation problem without using silicon coating. Probably just manufacture it in a vacuum, I'd think.

3) Atomic Utopia recommended it here first. Though the NS military realism thread and the FT Advice thread both have it listed too.

On another note, I am thinking of simply changing all my torpedoes to nuclear weapons rather than antimatter weapons. I did some calculations and antimatter as an explosive is simply too inefficient. Nuclear weapons would be far cheaper and have virtually the same effect.

I actually just did some calculations on weaponry myself. I might have to nerf one of my ships... The Contigo fires massive kinetic warheads at 0.99c...

It is a pretty rough calculation, but the cannons on our Contigo-Class Siege Vessel are able to hit with the force of around 4.3932e+20 joules.

Considering the fact that the ship has eight of these cannons, combined with the fact that we aim for non-lethal warfare, yeaaah...

I literally laughed at that. Aeiouians with 100,000 Megaton weapons.

[Allancia]

Would i add the exhaust speed once per engine? or is there a specific method to get the total? I did the calculations for if i had one engine and i ended up with a Delta-V: 105,000 (estimated to nearest thousand) on my small ships.

As for the chromium alloy, I apologies, i think i misread it. Re reading the site shows that Titanium is used to stabilize the materials. However after some more searching i have found a viable replacement that is called B2, a steel based alloy created just last year in korea. It is very similar to ceramics from what i understand.

Thank you very much for that site btw, after about an hour i was able to redo the wet mass of my ships and calculate the Delta-V.

Next step is to develop some fighter units.

1) I don't actually know. Ask Atomic Utopia for advice. Or the people in the military realism thread, one of them might be a physics major.

2) That looks like great armor. Now you just have to come up with a plausible explanation for solving the oxidation problem without using silicon coating. Probably just manufacture it in a vacuum, I'd think.

3) Atomic Utopia recommended it here first. Though the NS military realism thread and the FT Advice thread both have it listed too.

I actually just did some calculations on weaponry myself. I might have to nerf one of my ships... The Contigo fires massive kinetic warheads at 0.99c...

It is a pretty rough calculation, but the cannons on our Contigo-Class Siege Vessel are able to hit with the force of around 4.3932e+20 joules.

Considering the fact that the ship has eight of these cannons, combined with the fact that we aim for non-lethal warfare, yeaaah...

I literally laughed at that. Aeiouians with 100,000 Megaton weapons.

Nothing says whoopass like a weapon 2000x more powerful than the Tzar Bomba.

[Aeiouia]

I literally laughed at that. Aeiouians with 100,000 Megaton weapons.

I might say that canonically the cannons on that ship are that powerful. The problem is, we refuse to ever use them, effectively making the Contigo class just a larger version of the Dyson class.

The only reason that they are even present on the vessels is that our batshit-crazy Military Overseer designed them. She failed to realize the fact that we will literally never, ever, use them.

[Atomic Utopia]

I literally laughed at that. Aeiouians with 100,000 Megaton weapons.

I might say that canonically the cannons on that ship are that powerful. The problem is, we refuse to ever use them, effectively making the Contigo class just a larger version of the Dyson class.

The only reason that they are even present on the vessels is that our batshit-crazy Military Overseer designed them. She failed to realize the fact that we will literally never, ever, use them.

Hey, could you... export some of those railgun things. We might need some for planet killing planet removal for constructive purposes in hostile territory.

[Acheronis]

Observer Application for the League of Mechanocracies

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National Information

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Nation Name: Acheronis, or the Dominion, or the Dominion of Acheronis
Government Type: Oligarchy
Economical System: None
State Ideology: Syndicalism
Tech Level: FFT/FanT
Individual(s) that exercises control and leadership: The High Council, headed by Horus
Capital City/Seat of Power: Styxias
Home Planet/equivalent: Nova Acheron
Majority Species: Sentient Machines
Other Species: Acheronis, Protoss
What are machines usually regarded as in your nation? Valuable friends and allies if Sentient, Essential tools if not

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Membership Information

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Membership in other alliances: ADL
Do machines have full rights in your nation? Please explain. Yes, as they are easily the majority of the population.
Reason for joining the LoM as an Observer: To help others reeducate technophobes
Are you willing to abide by, as well as agreeing with, the Rules? Yes
Any notes: N/A

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OOC Information

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How active are you in RPs? Fairly, although I may sometimes be otherwise occupied
Can your nation actively participate in LoM activities? Yes
Supply at least 1 RP example:
1.British invasion of New Polypontia
2.
3.
Any questions whether IC or OOC?N/A

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[Deminis]

Personally im' trying to be as close to modern as possible, Obviously i'll use some post modern, so i can participate in events like the up coming sim.

So, That is why i have space craft now...

Oh yeah, it seems you and me are going to be fighting with each other. As long as you AIs and ansibles, you should be gud.

As long as i what now? ansibles?? is... is that a word??

[Atomic Utopia]

Oh yeah, it seems you and me are going to be fighting with each other. As long as you AIs and ansibles, you should be gud.

As long as i what now? ansibles?? is... is that a word??

Ansible = FTL communications. A must for any interstellar empire.

[Excidium Planetis]

I literally laughed at that. Aeiouians with 100,000 Megaton weapons.

I might say that canonically the cannons on that ship are that powerful. The problem is, we refuse to ever use them, effectively making the Contigo class just a larger version of the Dyson class.

The only reason that they are even present on the vessels is that our batshit-crazy Military Overseer designed them. She failed to realize the fact that we will literally never, ever, use them.

Nothing is scarier than a 63 kilometer long starship with 29 kilometer of nigh indestructable armor, 550 shield generators, 63,000 point defense lasers and 8 kinetic energy weapons that deliver 100,000 Megatons of death.

[Stormwrath]

I might say that canonically the cannons on that ship are that powerful. The problem is, we refuse to ever use them, effectively making the Contigo class just a larger version of the Dyson class.

The only reason that they are even present on the vessels is that our batshit-crazy Military Overseer designed them. She failed to realize the fact that we will literally never, ever, use them.

Nothing is scarier than a 63 kilometer long starship with 29 kilometer of nigh indestructable armor, 550 shield generators, 63,000 point defense lasers and 8 kinetic energy weapons that deliver 100,000 Megatons of death.

29 kilometers? That's thick as fuck.

[Excidium Planetis]

As long as i what now? ansibles?? is... is that a word??

Ansible = FTL communications. A must for any interstellar empire.

I don't have any ansibles.

Of course, I'm not really an empire.

[Stormwrath]

Ansible = FTL communications. A must for any interstellar empire.

I don't have any ansibles.

Of course, I'm not really an empire.

My ansibles would be quite advanced considering my scale.

[Deminis]

Ansible = FTL communications. A must for any interstellar empire.

I don't have any ansibles.

Of course, I'm not really an empire.

Yeah... I am not an empire... Im a single nation on a planet... We just happened to purposefully rip a portal into the Ringworld's universe...

[Atomic Utopia]

Nothing is scarier than a 63 kilometer long starship with 29 kilometer of nigh indestructable armor, 550 shield generators, 63,000 point defense lasers and 8 kinetic energy weapons that deliver 100,000 Megatons of death.

29 kilometers? That's thick as fuck.

That is excessively thick, unless I mount exotic matter weapons or strangelet bombs on my ships nothing will get through that.

[Allancia]

Observer Application for the League of Mechanocracies

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National Information

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Nation Name: Acheronis, or the Dominion, or the Dominion of Acheronis
Government Type: Oligarchy
Economical System: None
State Ideology: Syndicalism
Tech Level: FFT/FanT
Individual(s) that exercises control and leadership: The High Council, headed by Horus
Capital City/Seat of Power: Styxias
Home Planet/equivalent: Nova Acheron
Majority Species: Sentient Machines
Other Species: Acheronis, Protoss
What are machines usually regarded as in your nation? Valuable friends and allies if Sentient, Essential tools if not

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Membership Information

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Membership in other alliances: ADL
Do machines have full rights in your nation? Please explain. Yes, as they are easily the majority of the population.
Reason for joining the LoM as an Observer: To help others reeducate technophobes
Are you willing to abide by, as well as agreeing with, the Rules? Yes
Any notes: N/A

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OOC Information

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How active are you in RPs? Fairly, although I may sometimes be otherwise occupied
Can your nation actively participate in LoM activities? Yes
Supply at least 1 RP example:
1.British invasion of New Polypontia
2.
3.
Any questions whether IC or OOC?N/A

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Executive Committee

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Response to Membership Application

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From: League of Mechanocracies Executive Committee
To: Acheronis
Subject: LoM Membership Application

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Greetings and salutations, friends!

We are happy to announce that Acheronis has been, after evaluation, deemed ACCEPTED, and furthermore, Acheronis itself is ADMITTED into as a full member of the League of Mechanocracies. We thank you for joining us in the effort to construct an unified machines' political front at last in the Multiverse.

You are now authorized to gain access and participate in any official LoM-organized event, and contributing to other member states. Once again we thank you for joining the League. May Mechanocracy prevail.

AUTHORIZED BY: The DMIOE, Reichskanzler of the Groß Allanzi Reich, Director of the Pan-Perlentiantic Wing of the Collective Alliance

[Praesidia]

I might say that canonically the cannons on that ship are that powerful. The problem is, we refuse to ever use them, effectively making the Contigo class just a larger version of the Dyson class.

The only reason that they are even present on the vessels is that our batshit-crazy Military Overseer designed them. She failed to realize the fact that we will literally never, ever, use them.

Nothing is scarier than a 63 kilometer long starship with 29 kilometer of nigh indestructable armor, 550 shield generators, 63,000 point defense lasers and 8 kinetic energy weapons that deliver 100,000 Megatons of death.

Not that scary. Every shot from its weapons would knock it pretty far off target, and being so massive, it'd have to generate quite a bit of heat adjusting itself, wouldn't it? Or do the weapons move independently of the ship? In which case there'd have to be computers constantly adjusting its course to prepare for the effects of firing mass with a force of 4.2E5 GJ. Either way, such large kinetic weapons can't be all that practical...

[Deminis]

29 kilometers? That's thick as fuck.

That is excessively thick, unless I mount exotic matter weapons or strangelet bombs on my ships nothing will get through that.

Um actually, about 5 well placed hydrogen plasma bombs could crack that in half. Once you reach a certain thickness in any material at all, even rubber or titanium, you eventually get a very brittle structure. 5 plasma bombs circumventing the center of the ship would most likely break it like a bread stick. Ever crack a stick over your knee? Especially at the length you have. So much external force is readily available, all one need to do is his the weak point. And in a ship like that? Center is under nearly constant strain

Im sure you ship would have blast doors though out the inside though right?

[Praesidia]

That is excessively thick, unless I mount exotic matter weapons or strangelet bombs on my ships nothing will get through that.

Um actually, about 5 well placed hydrogen plasma bombs could crack that in half. Once you reach a certain thickness in any material at all, even rubber or titanium, you eventually get a very brittle structure. 5 plasma bombs circumventing the center of the ship would most likely break it like a bread stick. Ever crack a stick over your knee? Especially at the length you have. So much external force is readily available, all one need to do is his the weak point. And in a ship like that? Center is under nearly constant strain

Im sure you ship would have blast doors though out the inside though right?

Also, I just realized no one ever said it was solid armor. It might be honeycombed which would solve some mass-related problems and the problem you mention here.

[Allancia]

Um actually, about 5 well placed hydrogen plasma bombs could crack that in half. Once you reach a certain thickness in any material at all, even rubber or titanium, you eventually get a very brittle structure. 5 plasma bombs circumventing the center of the ship would most likely break it like a bread stick. Ever crack a stick over your knee? Especially at the length you have. So much external force is readily available, all one need to do is his the weak point. And in a ship like that? Center is under nearly constant strain

Im sure you ship would have blast doors though out the inside though right?

Also, I just realized no one ever said it was solid armor. It might be honeycombed which would solve some mass-related problems and the problem you mention here.

And gravity would suck, too. Structural integrity would be all over the place.

[Aeiouia]

Im sure you ship would have blast doors though out the inside though right?

The ships do not have an inside period. They are unmanned, and the armor itself is layered in a bizarre, non-euclidian pattern.

The material of the armor is also a type of insanely-light exotic matter that conveniently ignores physics things like the Sqaure-Cube Law for reasons. I do not know what those reasons are, but they are something. Probably.

Basically, I like to play Aeiouia as one of those sufficiently advanced far-future tech nations, but with the utterly crippling handicap of the fact that we refuse to harm anyone, even when they are trying to kill us.

So, our ships may be nigh-invulnerable, but they lack any weaponry. With an exception of the Contigo, which has impractical weapons that we will never use on it, effectively making it a colossal waste of matter. But that is what happens when you give a psychopath insane engineering abilities, and tell her to design a starship.

[Atomic Utopia]

That is excessively thick, unless I mount exotic matter weapons or strangelet bombs on my ships nothing will get through that.

Um actually, about 5 well placed hydrogen plasma bombs could crack that in half. Once you reach a certain thickness in any material at all, even rubber or titanium, you eventually get a very brittle structure. 5 plasma bombs circumventing the center of the ship would most likely break it like a bread stick. Ever crack a stick over your knee? Especially at the length you have. So much external force is readily available, all one need to do is his the weak point. And in a ship like that? Center is under nearly constant strain

Im sure you ship would have blast doors though out the inside though right?

Not really, hydrogen bombs (thermonuclear bombs more correctly), while insanely powerful, do not vaporize things that well because they are not that powerful, and in space our plan is to vaporize them to cut a hole in them. To put it simply, your Tsar Bomba is going to only cut a hole fifty to a hundered meters into them at most. A simpler and more elegant solution would be to focus a bunch of lasers on them and fire nuclear shaped charges at them with the goal of getting them to overheat, cooking the people/computers on the inside of the ship without the need to cut a hole in it.

[Excidium Planetis]

29 kilometers? That's thick as fuck.

That is excessively thick, unless I mount exotic matter weapons or strangelet bombs on my ships nothing will get through that.

I believe the Turing class we will be facing in the simulation has even thicker armor.

My plan is to hit it with thousands of thermonuclear weapons, which should at least knock out the lasers. Then I detonate whatever is left on one spot, and then attempt to use our antiproton beams to drill a hole.

If all else fails, we fly a cruiser near then, sabotage our Higgs Field Manipulator, and hope it makes a black hole.

[Deminis]

Um actually, about 5 well placed hydrogen plasma bombs could crack that in half. Once you reach a certain thickness in any material at all, even rubber or titanium, you eventually get a very brittle structure. 5 plasma bombs circumventing the center of the ship would most likely break it like a bread stick. Ever crack a stick over your knee? Especially at the length you have. So much external force is readily available, all one need to do is his the weak point. And in a ship like that? Center is under nearly constant strain

Im sure you ship would have blast doors though out the inside though right?

Not really, hydrogen bombs (thermonuclear bombs more correctly), while insanely powerful, do not vaporize things that well because they are not that powerful, and in space our plan is to vaporize them to cut a hole in them. To put it simply, your Tsar Bomba is going to only cut a hole fifty to a hundered meters into them at most. A simpler and more elegant solution would be to focus a bunch of lasers on them and fire nuclear shaped charges at them with the goal of getting them to overheat, cooking the people/computers on the inside of the ship without the need to cut a hole in it.

Oh no, No, I did not say hydrogen bombs, i said Hydrogen Plasma Bombs, that is to say upon detonation they release a highly magnetic plasma. Said plasma will melt its way though the armor until it finally cools, which will take a long time, Granted it wouldn't break it right away... a full 200m deep by 20m wide carving though the around their center of mass? that will weaken them enough to break them in half with a small nuke.
Even if the armor is not magnetic, there has to be some iron or steel based support structure in the center, enough so the Plasma will be attracted.

[Tinfect]

That is excessively thick, unless I mount exotic matter weapons or strangelet bombs on my ships nothing will get through that.

I believe the Turing class we will be facing in the simulation has even thicker armor.

My plan is to hit it with thousands of thermonuclear weapons, which should at least knock out the lasers. Then I detonate whatever is left on one spot, and then attempt to use our antiproton beams to drill a hole.

If all else fails, we fly a cruiser near then, sabotage our Higgs Field Manipulator, and hope it makes a black hole.

Excidium, I will not elaborate on this point, but just keep our Planetcracker alive long enough to get a shot off on it.
Trust me.