The League of Mechanocracies (Open, MT/PMT/FT, OOC, Signups)

[Aaronian]

There needs to be laws to prevent robots from killing their human brethren, shouldn't there? That's why there's some laws erected to have Mechanoids not try to attack society, although some would never do such a thing.

[New Frenco Empire]

[New Frenco Empire]

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Ew. Didn't turn out quite right.

Whatever. I'll clean it up later.

[Tinfect]

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The fact that "And" is white there was incredibly confusing for a minute.

[Aeiouia]

Well, of course you should have laws against murder, but the way that it is worded sounds like it caters to Humans specifically. Remember, for a nation to be accepted into the league, you need to treat AIs exactly as you would treat any other sapient lifeform.

Obviously, Humans cannot kill other Humans. If you treat robots equally, this means that robots indeed cannot kill Humans (As they should obviously not have the right to do), but Humans can also not kill robots. This also means that AIs and humans will have to be equal in social standing as well.

I really, really, want to accept you into the League, but I do not think that the Three Laws are applicable with our rules. And I cannot except you if you do not give cybernetic citizens equal rights. I will let a few other Co-Ops look it over, though.

[New Frenco Empire]

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The fact that "And" is white there was incredibly confusing for a minute.

Dark theme master race.

[The Andromeda Confederation]

It's fine. I actually liked the first one better.

Fixed it anyway.
The original one is just scaled oddly.
That, and the oddness with the "E&T" on the "Trinkets" bit, they sort of merge together and it is quite odd looking.

Yeah, first time really using paint.net, and I was hardcore pressed for time. Don't know what was with those two letters.

[Aaronian]

Well, of course you should have laws against murder, but the way that it is worded sounds like it caters to Humans specifically. Remember, for a nation to be accepted into the league, you need to treat AIs exactly as you would treat any other sapient lifeform.

Obviously, Humans cannot kill other Humans. If you treat robots equally, this means that robots indeed cannot kill Humans (As they should obviously not have the right to do), but Humans can also not kill robots. This also means that AIs and humans will have to be equal in social standing as well.

I really, really, want to accept you into the League, but I do not think that the Three Laws are applicable with our rules. And I cannot except you if you do not give cybernetic citizens equal rights. I will let a few other Co-Ops look it over, though.

Humans cannot kill mechs or each other, same goes for the mechs.


Mechs, if sentient, are capable of buying objects. With the same money human beings can.

[The Andromeda Confederation]

There needs to be laws to prevent robots from killing their human brethren, shouldn't there? That's why there's some laws erected to have Mechanoids not try to attack society, although some would never do such a thing.

View the robot/mech/whatever as not a robot, but another sapient being. Of course, if your mech/AI/automaton is nonsapient, obviously that wouldn't be applicable. The issue is with determining if something is sapient or not. Well, that's how I see it.

[Aaronian]

Hmm.... yes. But obviously machines can't eat.

But they can "sleep" though.


Like Humans, sapient machines can do many things humans can. The only thing machines can't do are eating, drinking, or any sort of human necessity.

Otherwise, Sentient machines are treated with respect, humans indentify such machines as sentient.

[Tinfect]

Hmm.... yes. But obviously machines can't eat.

But they can "sleep" though.


Like Humans, sapient machines can do many things humans can. The only thing machines can't do are eating, drinking, or any sort of human necessity.

Otherwise, Sentient machines are treated with respect, humans indentify such machines as sentient.

The problem lies in the fact that you mandate that Machines follow specific Laws that do not apply to humans. Unless you hold the Humans to Asimov's Laws as well, the system is unequal.

[Aaronian]

Hmm.... yes. But obviously machines can't eat.

But they can "sleep" though.


Like Humans, sapient machines can do many things humans can. The only thing machines can't do are eating, drinking, or any sort of human necessity.

Otherwise, Sentient machines are treated with respect, humans indentify such machines as sentient.

The problem lies in the fact that you mandate that Machines follow specific Laws that do not apply to humans. Unless you hold the Humans to Asimov's Laws as well, the system is unequal.

Sentient Treaty:
1. A sentient being cannot, in any hostile form, endager the lives of other sentient beings.
2. Sentient beings are free do do whatever they please, as long as such does not harm other sentient beings.
3. Sentient beings may be able to produce objects to fulfill the needs of other sentient beings, as long a such cannot harm other sapient beings' society.
4. A sentient being should not, under any form, cause the mass extinction of a sentient species, unless such species are authorized to be eliminated.

[Tinfect]

Sentient Treaty:
1. A sentient being cannot, in any hostile form, endager the lives of other sentient beings.
2. Sentient beings are free do do whatever they please, as long as such does not harm other sentient beings.
3. Sentient beings may be able to produce objects to fulfill the needs of other sentient beings, as long a such cannot harm other sapient beings' society.
4. A sentient being should not, under any form, cause the mass extinction of a sentient species, unless such species are authorized to be eliminated.

*Sapient
Unless you want to include Sub-Sapient Life as well, at which point one questions how exactly your government functions.

[Aeiouia]

Well... That addendum technically works.

Remember that "Sapient" and "Sentient" technically mean different things, sapient being the word that you probably want to use here. But, hey, Star Control II got the wording wrong a few times as well, and that game was unbelievably awesome. So, it is no big deal. I know what you meant.

Also, while this has no effect on your nation's acceptance... Who authorizes the mass extinctions..?

Executive Committee

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Response to Membership Application

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From: League of Mechanocracies Executive Committee
To: Aaronian
Subject: LoM Membership Application

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Greetings and salutations, friends!

With that addendum to your legal setup, we are happy to announce that Aaronian has been, after evaluation, deemed ACCEPTED, and furthermore, Aaronian is ADMITTED into as an observer of the League of Mechanocracies. We thank you for joining us in the effort to construct an unified machines' political front at last in the Multiverse.

You are now authorized to gain access and participate in any official LoM-organized event as an observer. Once again we thank you for joining the League. May Mechanocracy prevail.

AUTHORIZED BY: 2418-B
~ Aeiouian Representative of the Executive Committee

Also, I made Aeiouia's banner:

[Aaronian]

Now we are all *happy campers* here. We will *spit*

[Allancia]

Well... That addendum technically works.

Remember that "Sapient" and "Sentient" technically mean different things, sapient being the word that you probably want to use here. But, hey, Star Control II got the wording wrong a few times as well, and that game was unbelievably awesome. So, it is no big deal. I know what you meant.

Also, while this has no effect on your nation's acceptance... Who authorizes the mass extinctions..?

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Executive Committee

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Response to Membership Application

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From: League of Mechanocracies Executive Committee
To: Aaronianv
Subject: LoM Membership Application

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Greetings and salutations, friends!

With that addendum to your legal setup, we are happy to announce that Aaronian has been, after evaluation, deemed ACCEPTED, and furthermore, Aaronian is ADMITTED into as an observer of the League of Mechanocracies. We thank you for joining us in the effort to construct an unified machines' political front at last in the Multiverse.

You are now authorized to gain access and participate in any official LoM-organized event as an observer. Once again we thank you for joining the League. May Mechanocracy prevail.

AUTHORIZED BY: 2418-B
~ Aeiouian Representative of the Executive Committee

Also, I made Aeiouia's banner:

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How do you people even make these things? The only editing software I have is Google Draw and Pixlr Express.

[Aeiouia]

I use GIMP 2. It is an open-source image editing program. There are others available, such as Paint.net and Photoshop, though.

[Tinfect]

How do you people even make these things? The only editing software I have is Google Draw and Pixlr Express.

I use Paint.net, because I cannot be bothered to learn GIMP, and it does not seem to like running on my computer anyway.

You can find it here, but I give you the same warning I gave earlier, the website is really shady, so be careful.

[Stormwrath]

My bastardization. Yes, you all missed the sale.

[Tinfect]

My bastardization. Yes, you all missed the sale.
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That's actually quite good...

[Stormwrath]

My bastardization. Yes, you all missed the sale.
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That's actually quite good...

Thanks! My storefront is riddled with graphic design, take a look.

[Tecton]

That's actually quite good...

Thanks! My storefront is riddled with graphic design, take a look.

Huh, funny, that symbol at the top looks so much like an edited CMB symbol... Heathanous non-EGCMB! (Not really, it's more of a running joke.)

[Stormwrath]

Thanks! My storefront is riddled with graphic design, take a look.

Huh, funny, that symbol at the top looks so much like an edited CMB symbol... Heathanous non-EGCMB! (Not really, it's more of a running joke.)

Hmmm, it kinda does! Only the logo decided to be a whore and spread its legs.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Huh, funny, that symbol at the top looks so much like an edited CMB symbol... Heathanous non-EGCMB! (Not really, it's more of a running joke.)

Hmmm, it kinda does! Only the logo decided to be a whore and spread its legs.

Later that day AE Celestia joins the War of the Combines as a private entity lol

tbh i did use storm's store as a reference and base

[Aaronian]

My bastardization. Yes, you all missed the sale.
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Bravo! Bravo! Well done!

The design is very well done.