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by Excidium Planetis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:31 pm
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:No, you said they didn't appear to be citizens. I explained why they are only considered residents, not citizens. Citizenship and Slavery are not mutually exclusive.
And that makes it okay to enslave them?Excidium Planetis wrote:I'd like to see how you plan to deploy those tanks in a zero gravity environment where most ship sections below A level are separated by airlocks designed to fit humans, not armor divisions.
Well, for one, it really depends on whether or not your Ship's hull is made of Metal. Magnetism, and all that. But that is fair, we probably could not fit Tanks in most of the ship.Excidium Planetis wrote:Also, last time I checked, your military fleet was outnumbered by mine, I had about 2 million civilian vessels, most armed with at least one offensive weapon,
Most of which are outclassed by a Princeps II, or Triarius III...Excidium Planetis wrote: and a 7000 kilometer carrier with star docks, repair facilities, and literally millions of guns.
What did you miss about "Planetcracker"? And besides the point, if we do not feel like destroying the Reckoner, a Rassvet Dreadnought carries Planetary Bombardment weapons that would be of immense use here. Hell, older Ballistarius, and Macross Frigates carry them as well.Excidium Planetis wrote:I hope your slaves (and I do mean that, any soldiers you brainwash into fighting an insane unprovoked war to slaughter civilians are far more slaves than any we have.) are loyal enough to commit suicide for your hypocritical crusade.
The soldiers of the Imperium, are by no means Slaves, they are free to leave whenever they wish, and we do not fire on Civilians if they are Non-Combatants. If they lay down their arms and do not fire on our Military Forces, they will remain unharmed.Excidium Planetis wrote:Our slaves are freer than your citizens (unable to find much factbook info, so based mostly on NS stats and being a communist imperium)
*Socialist Imperium
But, yeah, I should probably write a Factbook on this. But, no, the Imperium has rather high Civil Rights, partially because it really is no business of the Imperium what one does in their free time unless they are disturbing the public order, (Murder, Theft, that sort of thing) or attempting to bring down the Imperium, and partially because we find that if you keep the people happy, they will have no reason to oppose the Government, Democracy, to them, would be worthless, as they already have most everything they want. Hell, we even let Private Industry deal with the things that Government really has no stake in. Beyond keeping our Citizens healthy, fed, and sheltered, it is largely private.
Except for Mining, Agriculture, Mass-Construction, Medical Services, Education, Military anything really and Research and Development.
I am sure I am forgetting something though.Excidium Planetis wrote:. At least our slaves can vote
Wait, you let your Slaves vote? What.Excidium Planetis wrote: Our slaves can purchase their freedom, but can your people ever escape their slavery to your government?
So... You pay your slaves?
Are they then, not really slaves?
Because that rather changes everything.
Fair point though, Imperial Border Control has something of a "No one comes in, no one comes out." policy.Excidium Planetis wrote:And our police force utilizes power armor, with energy rifles, coilguns, and some kind of pulse weapon. Bought them from AE Celestia. Urban warfare too, the defender's dream.
Oh. Thought you just had those Rocket things.
Might be harder than I thought.
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by Aeiouia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:52 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:And also, I wonder how your ally Aeiouia feels about your troops killing our civilians, who did not sign up to fight. I wonder, is their disaproval of slavery enough to allow them to overlook the fact that you are essentially committing genocide?
by Tinfect » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:11 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:1) What makes it okay for them to be slaves?
Excidium Planetis wrote:3) Sheer numbers. You think a Princeps could defeat 200 civilian vessels armed with laser cannons, missiles, and occasionally even railguns? At once?
Excidium Planetis wrote:4) So your plan to end slavery is to kill the slaves? That's what hitting Reckoner with a Planetcracker would do. Effective, but hardly the moral highground.
Excidium Planetis wrote:5) I question whether they are in reality free to leave. YOu condition them to be loyal to your nation. Can you prove they can actually refuse to fight?
Excidium Planetis wrote:And also, I wonder how your ally Aeiouia feels about your troops killing our civilians, who did not sign up to fight. I wonder, is their disaproval of slavery enough to allow them to overlook the fact that you are essentially committing genocide?
Excidium Planetis wrote:6) Of course. Voting is practically a sacred right.
Excidium Planetis wrote:7) If they perform work for a paid position, According to the Labor Act of 522 they must be paid for their services (they can work in non-paid positions, however).
Excidium Planetis wrote: According to the Alien Slave act of 1014, slave masters cannot be paid for services rendered by slaves (No pimping, hiring out slaves for labor, etc. Slave masters can, however, be paid for the sale of goods produced by non-paid slaves, but any goods produced in whole or in part by non-paid slaves are subject to a special tax.
Excidium Planetis wrote:Slaves are entitled to property, confiscation of a slaves' property is a federal offense, punishable by fine of twice the properties' value (these fines have allowed several hundred Birrin to purchase their freedom). Slaves must be fed (at masters' expense) according to their dietary requirements and expected work to be performed. Failure to do so is abuse,
Excidium Planetis wrote:a federal offense punishable by execution.
Excidium Planetis wrote:The sole exception is that minors are entitled to public education, slaves are not.
Excidium Planetis wrote:The Foreign Servants Act will grant slaves the right to public education (though government paid college is available only to citizens), will define in what circumstances an individual (citizen or otherwise) may be made a slave, make illegal slavery a federal offense punishable by execution, and mandate emancipation of slaves (held by Excidian masters) which have served 10 years. It is expected to be submitted, queued, and most likely passed this year.
Excidium Planetis wrote:8 )Civilians are also allowed to (and sometimes do) own hand grenades, rocket propelled grenade launchers, flamethrowers, ordinary (bullet) ballistic weapons, taser-like devices, some chemical weapons, and yes, energy weapons too (if they can find some).
Excidium Planetis wrote: The police force is a private company, currently SecureShip Enterprises, who chose to spend several hundred billion dollars in contract money purchasing exosuits form Stormwrath's AE Celestia corporation.
Excidium Planetis wrote:We do not manufacture them (they are not hard FT), but we will buy energy weapons from foreign nations (who are soft FT) and will use them. In fact, we currently have several million energy assault rifles with optional grenade launchers that our military has begun issuing. We bought those from Stormwrath too.
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by Atomic Utopia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:19 pm
Aeiouia wrote:-snip-
by Stormwrath » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:22 pm
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote: The police force is a private company, currently SecureShip Enterprises, who chose to spend several hundred billion dollars in contract money purchasing exosuits form Stormwrath's AE Celestia corporation.
Holy fucking shit your Police Forces are equipped better than your Military Forces.
How could your government be so absolutely incompetent as to let that happen?
Excidium Planetis wrote:We do not manufacture them (they are not hard FT), but we will buy energy weapons from foreign nations (who are soft FT) and will use them. In fact, we currently have several million energy assault rifles with optional grenade launchers that our military has begun issuing. We bought those from Stormwrath too.
by Aeiouia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:24 pm
Atomic Utopia wrote:I really hope though that we do this fairly, in other words, not a curb-stomp battle. RP is about having fun, not curb-stomping our IC enemies into oblivion with our superior whatever, and losses on our side are a big part of that previously mentioned fun.
by Tinfect » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:29 pm
Stormwrath wrote:Tinfect wrote:Holy fucking shit your Police Forces are equipped better than your Military Forces.
How could your government be so absolutely incompetent as to let that happen?Excidium Planetis wrote:We do not manufacture them (they are not hard FT), but we will buy energy weapons from foreign nations (who are soft FT) and will use them. In fact, we currently have several million energy assault rifles with optional grenade launchers that our military has begun issuing. We bought those from Stormwrath too.
For emphasis.
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by Singaporean Transhumans » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:30 pm
by Excidium Planetis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:14 pm
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:Dudes, if you're not posting on that thread I made (which is now in the Current Roleplays section) you won't be counted as a part of the PTFS civil war.
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:3) Sheer numbers. You think a Princeps could defeat 200 civilian vessels armed with laser cannons, missiles, and occasionally even railguns? At once?
The Fourth Fleet alone maintains 437 Princeps II Cruisers at the moment, and they tend to travel in groups of 3, or with a Triarius III.
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:4) So your plan to end slavery is to kill the slaves? That's what hitting Reckoner with a Planetcracker would do. Effective, but hardly the moral highground.
Fair enough, but we have other ways of causing proper damage to the Reckoner, the aforementioned Planetary Bombardment Devices come to mind.
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:And also, I wonder how your ally Aeiouia feels about your troops killing our civilians, who did not sign up to fight. I wonder, is their disaproval of slavery enough to allow them to overlook the fact that you are essentially committing genocide?
ICly, I am sure that Aeiouia has condemned us several times for similar action, hell, they did it in that RP we are currently in. As it happens, if your Civilians attack our Soldiers, they are considered Combatants, and leave behind the significant protections we would normally offer them.
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:a federal offense punishable by execution.
holy shit
The Imperium reserves Execution for Crimes against the State, perhaps that is a bit extreme of a punishment, for simple abuse?
On another note I think I'll just remove any further examples of shitty capitalism for the sake of brevity.
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:The Foreign Servants Act will grant slaves the right to public education (though government paid college is available only to citizens), will define in what circumstances an individual (citizen or otherwise) may be made a slave, make illegal slavery a federal offense punishable by execution, and mandate emancipation of slaves (held by Excidian masters) which have served 10 years. It is expected to be submitted, queued, and most likely passed this year.
Oh.
The most we would do is accelerate that Legislation then...
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:8 )Civilians are also allowed to (and sometimes do) own hand grenades, rocket propelled grenade launchers, flamethrowers, ordinary (bullet) ballistic weapons, taser-like devices, some chemical weapons, and yes, energy weapons too (if they can find some).
They are also completely untrained, and, if they are willing to take a second think about it, if it comes to an Imperial Invasion, unless they fire on our Soldiers, they will be unharmed. That much will be made abundantly clear. Once Imperial order is established, we can work Integration out. Likely the immediate removal of Advanced, or High-Powered Firearms, with the cessation of Sale of Ammunition, and Firearms overall.
Tinfect wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote: The police force is a private company, currently SecureShip Enterprises, who chose to spend several hundred billion dollars in contract money purchasing exosuits form Stormwrath's AE Celestia corporation.
Now, that alone is grounds for Diplomatic Intervention, a Private Police Force is not something we can abide, granted, it is certainly not Invasion worthy. On that note, however:
Holy fucking shit your Police Forces are equipped better than your Military Forces.
How could your government be so absolutely incompetent as to let that happen?
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by Stormwrath » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:28 pm
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:Dudes, if you're not posting on that thread I made (which is now in the Current Roleplays section) you won't be counted as a part of the PTFS civil war.
by Deminis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:37 pm
by Tinfect » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:05 pm
Deminis wrote:Alright, so a ton of research, a few random planet generators, some startrek, starwars and starcraft, and a shit ton of coffee and i have officially finished developing my nations "Alt Earth's" Solar System!
Please Please PLEASE! Be honest, but don't be brutal XD
Pixis is supposed to have a layer of a new element on it, so ill spend the next fact book on that i guess.
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by Deminis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:14 pm
Tinfect wrote:Deminis wrote:Alright, so a ton of research, a few random planet generators, some startrek, starwars and starcraft, and a shit ton of coffee and i have officially finished developing my nations "Alt Earth's" Solar System!
Please Please PLEASE! Be honest, but don't be brutal XD
Pixis is supposed to have a layer of a new element on it, so ill spend the next fact book on that i guess.
That works, granted, Pixus looks like it is going to be practically worthless. This "Liquid Titanium", if it melts at the same temperatures as normal Ice, will be totally worthless at deflecting Energy Weapons, due to most of them dealing damage by causing Thermal Stress.
Might want to look into the Physics of a Planet 15 Times the size of Earth, granted, it would be pretty damn cool if rather than a proper seafloor, the bottom of the Planetary Ocean is just Pressure-Ice.
Also, the name suggests to me that you think Titanium is still the "Strongest Metal". That, if you still believe it, it entirely untrue. NASA uses it for its high Strength-to-Weight Ratio, allowing them to maintain Spacecraft integrity, without adding as much mass as Steel, even if it would allow for stronger hulls.
by Atomic Utopia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:59 am
Aeiouia wrote:Atomic Utopia wrote:I really hope though that we do this fairly, in other words, not a curb-stomp battle. RP is about having fun, not curb-stomping our IC enemies into oblivion with our superior whatever, and losses on our side are a big part of that previously mentioned fun.
Indeed. Even though I am still very inexperienced, I try to play fairly myself. While Aeiouia is a ridiculously advanced nation, we have the restraining bolt of being unable and unwilling to hurt anyone under any circumstances. And besides, I would tone down our more advanced technology a bit for the purposes of certain RPs as needed, of course.
As I have stated before, I am still quite new to this. So, please let me know if I do anything too overpowered in an RP. I will ret-con it immediately.
by Tinfect » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:17 am
Deminis wrote: So shrink the ocean resort planet a bit XD I got that number from estimating with what was considered small ocean planets in other fictions, so i figured this would be medium. But yeah, the core is currently unknown because "modern" vehicles can not survive the pressure.
Deminis wrote: Na, i know titanium is outdated, the name was just supposed to be a joke until i could get the official stuff on it. Its going to melt just higher then steel, but it is going to have a kind of natural energy (kinetic, heat, plasma, ect.) dampening effect when a electrical current is applied, a sort of kinetic shielding application. When i get it all done it is going to be call Kenitium. Its meant to be light weight and kind of flexible when thinned. so i was thinking rather than ships, i could use it for ground force armors; Flak jackets, mech armor, track armor, Ect.
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by Aeiouia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:29 am
Atomic Utopia wrote:-snip-
by Singaporean Transhumans » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:19 am
by Atomic Utopia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:59 pm
Aeiouia wrote:-snip-
If you would like me to, I could edit my opening post in Fatal Error to be a bit more serious. If you were aiming to have a serious RP, I do not want to ruin it for you by jumping in with a crazy AI babbling about flaming grasshoppers, after all.
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:I have yet to write anything that reflects the emotional development of the common man in a world ravaged by irrationality(well, my canon), but I'll do that as a part of the DFMC saga.
BTW if anyone wants a brain_blowing read, I recommend Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem. Trust me, hard sci–fi that can blow your brains is right here.
by Volkrieg » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:53 pm
Membership Application for the League of Mechanocracies
National Information
Nation Name: Kaiserreich of Volkrieg
Government Type: Orwellian theocratic National Socialist-esque state (basically as far right you can get)
Economical System: Command economy
State Ideology: I haven't named it yet, but it is theocratic, ultra ultra ultra right ideology.
Tech Level: Nightmare Tech.
Individual(s) that exercises control and leadership: Kriegmarshall Maximilian Rommel (nothing to do with Erwin Rommel)
Capital City/Seat of Power: Mühlzach
Home Planet/equivalent: Volkrieg Prime
Majority Species: Volkrisch (basically human but with augmentations)
Other Species: Homo sapiens
What are machines usually regarded as in your nation? Tools of the Blutdämon to make the Volkrisch closer to him. (Basically godlike things)Economical Information
Individual(s) exercising control over Economy: Wirtschaftmarshall Matthäus Wehinger
Currency or Equivalent: Volkrisch reichsthaler
National GDP or equivalent: I'm not to sure.
Major exports: Not sure.
Major imports: Not sure.Military Information
Individual(s) exercising control over Military: Kriegmarshall Maximilian Rommel
Active Military Individuals: 890,744,562
Reserve Military Individuals: 903,780,000
Favourite tactic: Offensive siege warfare
Favourite war machine: Stahljagdhund (Mechanical warbeast)
Able to operate overseas/out of borders? YesMembership Information
Membership in other alliances: Anti-Democracy League
Do machines have full rights in your nation? Please explain. Of course they do.
Reason for joining the LoM: To further spread the machine agenda and join a coalition of likeminded nations
Are you willing to abide by, as well as agreeing with, the LoM Pancasila as well as the Rules? Yes
Any notes: I'm a female so use correct pronounsOOC Information
How active are you in RPs? Active
Can your nation actively participate in LoM activities? I guess so
Supply at least 1 RP example:I ran alongside Byrhtnoth, grasping my rifle tight and jolting cover from cover. We had just ambushed a monarchist ammunition convoy and blew the vehicles sky high. Bullets rained down through the windows of the slender buildings, Byrhtnoth and I were pinned down. I was cowering behind a blue post-box, while Byrhtnoth stood bravely behind a dying, thick elm tree. Byrhtnoth and I managed to squeeze off a few rounds of 7.7×56mmR lead into the window where the monarchist forces were hiding, before reinforcements arrived. Now superior in numbers, we advanced into the cramped house and began to clear it out. I cleared out the bottom floor easily while Byrhtnoth required assistance for the top floor. We stopped and stared out a fogged window, staring for no particular reason. Byrhtnoth rested his arm against the window and rested his forehead against his arm. We wiped the fog off with our palms and our shirts and looked at each other.
"We are winning this war. I can tell these monarchist parasites are retreating into Treburgh." Byrhtnoth smiled. I nodded in agreement and opened the window. That was when a barrage of bullets ripped through the walls, and incapacitated Byrhtnoth. A large gaping hole appeared in his thin leg and a grabbed my rifle. I pressed myself up against the painted wall, trying not to cry. I was only 16 then. More bullets came through the walls and they narrowly missed my frail body. I dived onto my stomach, promising Byrhtnoth to come back. I crawled in the direction of the gunfire and saw about six men, wearing full grey uniforms, aiming their carbines into the walls. I fired about two shots, before they noticed me. I instinctively rolled behind a wall in the nick of time, stood up and grabbed my makeshift knife from my breastpocket. I fixed it to the bayonet lug and charged into the room. I shot about once and began a crazy frenzy of slashing my rifle. Everyone had been killed, but I felt a burning pain pulse its way through my body. I fell over, clasping leg, it was bleeding everywhere. I was dying, and then I eventually passed out.
I awoke to see Byrhtnoth and two other men shaking my head and applying field dressing to my legs. Byrhtnoth leaned over me and said worringly "You've been shot badly, lad. You mightn't make it lad." I tried fighting off the tears, but couldn't resist. I wept and screamed, both from the pain and from the thought that I was going to die. Byrhtnoth suddenly limped up over to the window and dropped his rifle. He limped back to me and whispered "The parasitic monsters are launching mustard gas. Stay here, absolutely quiet laddy." Byrhtnoth began to frantically close all the windows upstairs and close all the bullet hole ridden doors. He sat next to me and we huddled together. Tears filled both of our eyes and the gas began to seep into the room from the bullet holes and broken windows. It coursed its way closer and closer to us and we began to breathe it in. We began to puke and cough. Our noses began to bleed and blisters started forming on our arms, our eyes burned like hell. Byrhtnoth did the unthinkable. He reached underneath his shirt and grabbed a Wembley Revolver. He pressed it to his temple and fired. I screamed, breathing in more gas and this time began to cough up thick blood. My breath escaped from my lungs, I could not breathe. I fell over and grabbed Byrhtnoth's revolver. I shoved the barrel down my mouth and fired.
It was all over. Ever since the gas attacks, the SRA had began ramping up their attacks, ranging from bombing of bridges in monarchist held areas, to assassination of essential monarchist generals. Today was the last day of the war, the final, final end to the horrible conflict that claimed over 500,000 civilian lives.
Any questions whether IC or OOC?
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by Singaporean Transhumans » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:02 pm
Executive Committee
Response to Membership Application
From: League of Mechanocracies Executive Committee
To: Volkrieg
Subject: LoM Membership ApplicationGreetings and salutations, friends!
We are happy to announce that Volkrieg has been, after evaluation, deemed ACCEPTED, and furthermore,Volkrieg is ADMITTED into as a full member of the League of Mechanocracies. We thank you for joining us in the effort to construct an unified machines' political front at last in the Multiverse.
However, we do inquire on the properties and specifications of this "Nightmare Tech" level you speak of, as we fail to find any relevant information on it. This is purely for the reference of other members.
You are now authorized to gain access and participate in any official LoM-organized event, and contributing to other member states. Once again we thank you for joining the League.AUTHORIZED BY: B716-81E2-L23E,
~ Singaporean Representative of the Executive Committee
by Singaporean Transhumans » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:09 pm
Volkrieg wrote:Nightmare Tech.
by Volkrieg » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:10 pm
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:Volkrieg wrote:Nightmare Tech.
So it's basically PMT in the field of engineering humans, right?
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