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Allancia
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Postby Allancia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:54 pm

Praesidia wrote:
Aeiouia wrote:
"People's Technocratic Federation of Singapore". It is the Singaporean Transhuman's in-character name.

Ah, so is that RP open to any member of the League of Mechanocracies?

Yeah, pretty much.
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Excidium Planetis
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:31 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:No, you said they didn't appear to be citizens. I explained why they are only considered residents, not citizens. Citizenship and Slavery are not mutually exclusive.


And that makes it okay to enslave them?

Excidium Planetis wrote:I'd like to see how you plan to deploy those tanks in a zero gravity environment where most ship sections below A level are separated by airlocks designed to fit humans, not armor divisions.


Well, for one, it really depends on whether or not your Ship's hull is made of Metal. Magnetism, and all that. But that is fair, we probably could not fit Tanks in most of the ship.

Excidium Planetis wrote:Also, last time I checked, your military fleet was outnumbered by mine, I had about 2 million civilian vessels, most armed with at least one offensive weapon,


Most of which are outclassed by a Princeps II, or Triarius III...

Excidium Planetis wrote: and a 7000 kilometer carrier with star docks, repair facilities, and literally millions of guns.


What did you miss about "Planetcracker"? And besides the point, if we do not feel like destroying the Reckoner, a Rassvet Dreadnought carries Planetary Bombardment weapons that would be of immense use here. Hell, older Ballistarius, and Macross Frigates carry them as well.

Excidium Planetis wrote:I hope your slaves (and I do mean that, any soldiers you brainwash into fighting an insane unprovoked war to slaughter civilians are far more slaves than any we have.) are loyal enough to commit suicide for your hypocritical crusade.


The soldiers of the Imperium, are by no means Slaves, they are free to leave whenever they wish, and we do not fire on Civilians if they are Non-Combatants. If they lay down their arms and do not fire on our Military Forces, they will remain unharmed.

Excidium Planetis wrote:Our slaves are freer than your citizens (unable to find much factbook info, so based mostly on NS stats and being a communist imperium)


*Socialist Imperium
But, yeah, I should probably write a Factbook on this. But, no, the Imperium has rather high Civil Rights, partially because it really is no business of the Imperium what one does in their free time unless they are disturbing the public order, (Murder, Theft, that sort of thing) or attempting to bring down the Imperium, and partially because we find that if you keep the people happy, they will have no reason to oppose the Government, Democracy, to them, would be worthless, as they already have most everything they want. Hell, we even let Private Industry deal with the things that Government really has no stake in. Beyond keeping our Citizens healthy, fed, and sheltered, it is largely private.
Except for Mining, Agriculture, Mass-Construction, Medical Services, Education, Military anything really and Research and Development.
I am sure I am forgetting something though.

Excidium Planetis wrote:. At least our slaves can vote


Wait, you let your Slaves vote? What.

Excidium Planetis wrote: Our slaves can purchase their freedom, but can your people ever escape their slavery to your government?


So... You pay your slaves?
Are they then, not really slaves?
Because that rather changes everything.
Fair point though, Imperial Border Control has something of a "No one comes in, no one comes out." policy.

Excidium Planetis wrote:And our police force utilizes power armor, with energy rifles, coilguns, and some kind of pulse weapon. Bought them from AE Celestia. Urban warfare too, the defender's dream.


Oh. Thought you just had those Rocket things.
Might be harder than I thought.


1) What makes it okay for them to be slaves?

2) That really depends on where you are, as the building materials vary by when that section was built. Most parts are either aluminum, aluminum-steel, or titanium alloys. And your tanks could probably fit in most sections... they just couldn't get to another section.

3) Sheer numbers. You think a Princeps could defeat 200 civilian vessels armed with laser cannons, missiles, and occasionally even railguns? At once?

4) So your plan to end slavery is to kill the slaves? That's what hitting Reckoner with a Planetcracker would do. Effective, but hardly the moral highground.

5) I question whether they are in reality free to leave. YOu condition them to be loyal to your nation. Can you prove they can actually refuse to fight?
And also, I wonder how your ally Aeiouia feels about your troops killing our civilians, who did not sign up to fight. I wonder, is their disaproval of slavery enough to allow them to overlook the fact that you are essentially committing genocide?

6) Of course. Voting is practically a sacred right.

7) If they perform work for a paid position, According to the Labor Act of 522 they must be paid for their services (they can work in non-paid positions, however). According to the Alien Slave act of 1014, slave masters cannot be paid for services rendered by slaves (No pimping, hiring out slaves for labor, etc. Slave masters can, however, be paid for the sale of goods produced by non-paid slaves, but any goods produced in whole or in part by non-paid slaves are subject to a special task. Few manufacturing companies utilizing unpaid slaves have managed to turn a profit). Slaves are entitled to property, confiscation of a slaves' property is a federal offense, punishable by fine of twice the properties' value (these fines have allowed several hundred Birrin to purchase their freedom). Slaves must be fed (at masters' expense) according to their dietary requirements and expected work to be performed. Failure to do so is abuse, a federal offense punishable by execution. Slaves have a right to living quarters (masters must provide) appropriate for their species and of a quality meeting federal guidelines (which are the same as the guidelines for military personnel). Failure to provide such conditions is neglect, punishable by a fine. Slaves are protected from cruel, unusual, or arbitrary punishment. Such harm is abuse, punishable by execution. Slaves are considered legal residents (Ernhart vs. Yck'chek), are thus entitled to all adult residents' rights, including voting rights and the right to public medical care. Slaves may purchase their freedom, at market value, even if the owner is unwilling (Dewey vs. Makeer). Slaves may apply for citizenship (Excidium Planetis Department of Naturalization vs. Makeer).
For most purposes, Slaves have the same rights as minors, and several more. Adult Slaves can vote; minors cannot. Adult Slaves can purchase drugs, alcohol, electronic cigarettes; minors cannot. SLaves can own firearms; minors cannot. The sole exception is that minors are entitled to public education, slaves are not. Current legislation, which has received wide pledges of support, is being drafted to improve rights of slaves further. The Foreign Servants Act will grant slaves the right to public education (though government paid college is available only to citizens), will define in what circumstances an individual (citizen or otherwise) may be made a slave, make illegal slavery a federal offense punishable by execution, and mandate emancipation of slaves (held by Excidian masters) which have served 10 years. It is expected to be submitted, queued, and most likely passed this year.

8 ) The rocket weapons are standard military gear, and the most common civilian weapons. Civilians are also allowed to (and sometimes do) own hand grenades, rocket propelled grenade launchers, flamethrowers, ordinary (bullet) ballistic weapons, taser-like devices, some chemical weapons, and yes, energy weapons too (if they can find some). The police force is a private company, currently SecureShip Enterprises, who chose to spend several hundred billion dollars in contract money purchasing exosuits form Stormwrath's AE Celestia corporation. That's where the energy weapons come from. We do not manufacture them (they are not hard FT), but we will buy energy weapons from foreign nations (who are soft FT) and will use them. In fact, we currently have several million energy assault rifles with optional grenade launchers that our military has begun issuing. We bought those from Stormwrath too.
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Aeiouia
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Founded: Jul 05, 2014
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Aeiouia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:52 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:And also, I wonder how your ally Aeiouia feels about your troops killing our civilians, who did not sign up to fight. I wonder, is their disaproval of slavery enough to allow them to overlook the fact that you are essentially committing genocide?


We, of course, do not support any kind of violence. However, we will work with Tinfect to peacefully liberate the slaves in any way possible. We have ways of blockading FTL-capable vessels, mainly using Soft-FT. We have (Somewhat) Hard-FT methods as well, but we would probably not use them, since they are invasive and involve disabling the systems of enemy ships.

Additionally, we have Fantasy Tech ways of getting the slaves off of the Homeship without causing any violence, and probably without even alerting you of our presence to begin with. However, these are admittedly quite cheap, and due to their invasiveness, we would probably not conduct them as anything but a last resort.

Our preferred method of granting the slaves freedom would be a result of us winning the battle for Olber. However, that is obviously only if we discover your usage of slaves before then. If we do not, victory for your forces will be assured, since you will be facing off against some decoys, a few 1,000 year-old strike craft that we had lying around, a planetary shield generator set at 10% power or so, and our more ridiculous leaders making snarky and sarcastic commentary over the comms systems. As stated earlier, we care not for national pride, or one of our planets. So we would prefer to just pretend to fight you, in order to not risk harming your soldiers.

Should we lose the battle, or find out about your usage of slaves after it, then we will work with Tinfect to peacefully liberate the slaves. Our goals will be to either abolish the "Slave" class in your nation entirely (Regardless of how 'humane' the laws regarding slaves are), or move the slaves to our nations, where they will be granted complete citizenship.
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Tinfect
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Founded: Jul 04, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Tinfect » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:11 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:1) What makes it okay for them to be slaves?


That's what I'm asking you.


Excidium Planetis wrote:3) Sheer numbers. You think a Princeps could defeat 200 civilian vessels armed with laser cannons, missiles, and occasionally even railguns? At once?


The Fourth Fleet alone maintains 437 Princeps II Cruisers at the moment, and they tend to travel in groups of 3, or with a Triarius III.

Excidium Planetis wrote:4) So your plan to end slavery is to kill the slaves? That's what hitting Reckoner with a Planetcracker would do. Effective, but hardly the moral highground.


Fair enough, but we have other ways of causing proper damage to the Reckoner, the aforementioned Planetary Bombardment Devices come to mind.

Excidium Planetis wrote:5) I question whether they are in reality free to leave. YOu condition them to be loyal to your nation. Can you prove they can actually refuse to fight?


Legally, if they have any objections to the Invasion, they do not have to go, although it usually results in them being Transferred to the Third, or Second Fleets, which deal with Border Defense. But that is fair, I cannot actually prove that any of them would refuse the Order.

Excidium Planetis wrote:And also, I wonder how your ally Aeiouia feels about your troops killing our civilians, who did not sign up to fight. I wonder, is their disaproval of slavery enough to allow them to overlook the fact that you are essentially committing genocide?


ICly, I am sure that Aeiouia has condemned us several times for similar action, hell, they did it in that RP we are currently in. As it happens, if your Civilians attack our Soldiers, they are considered Combatants, and leave behind the significant protections we would normally offer them.

Excidium Planetis wrote:6) Of course. Voting is practically a sacred right.


That you... Extend to Slaves, who, are not usually granted many rights, hence why they are called slaves.

Excidium Planetis wrote:7) If they perform work for a paid position, According to the Labor Act of 522 they must be paid for their services (they can work in non-paid positions, however).


So, it is just a really shitty contract of employment? That they have no real choice in accepting?
We cannot invade for you being really shitty Capitalists.

Excidium Planetis wrote: According to the Alien Slave act of 1014, slave masters cannot be paid for services rendered by slaves (No pimping, hiring out slaves for labor, etc. Slave masters can, however, be paid for the sale of goods produced by non-paid slaves, but any goods produced in whole or in part by non-paid slaves are subject to a special tax.


So, again, just really shitty capitalism?

Excidium Planetis wrote:Slaves are entitled to property, confiscation of a slaves' property is a federal offense, punishable by fine of twice the properties' value (these fines have allowed several hundred Birrin to purchase their freedom). Slaves must be fed (at masters' expense) according to their dietary requirements and expected work to be performed. Failure to do so is abuse,


See above statement.

Excidium Planetis wrote:a federal offense punishable by execution.


holy shit
The Imperium reserves Execution for Crimes against the State, perhaps that is a bit extreme of a punishment, for simple abuse?
On another note I think I'll just remove any further examples of shitty capitalism for the sake of brevity.

Excidium Planetis wrote:The sole exception is that minors are entitled to public education, slaves are not.


Now that's grounds for Diplomatic Action/

Excidium Planetis wrote:The Foreign Servants Act will grant slaves the right to public education (though government paid college is available only to citizens), will define in what circumstances an individual (citizen or otherwise) may be made a slave, make illegal slavery a federal offense punishable by execution, and mandate emancipation of slaves (held by Excidian masters) which have served 10 years. It is expected to be submitted, queued, and most likely passed this year.


Oh.
The most we would do is accelerate that Legislation then...

Excidium Planetis wrote:8 )Civilians are also allowed to (and sometimes do) own hand grenades, rocket propelled grenade launchers, flamethrowers, ordinary (bullet) ballistic weapons, taser-like devices, some chemical weapons, and yes, energy weapons too (if they can find some).


They are also completely untrained, and, if they are willing to take a second think about it, if it comes to an Imperial Invasion, unless they fire on our Soldiers, they will be unharmed. That much will be made abundantly clear. Once Imperial order is established, we can work Integration out. Likely the immediate removal of Advanced, or High-Powered Firearms, with the cessation of Sale of Ammunition, and Firearms overall.

Excidium Planetis wrote: The police force is a private company, currently SecureShip Enterprises, who chose to spend several hundred billion dollars in contract money purchasing exosuits form Stormwrath's AE Celestia corporation.


Now, that alone is grounds for Diplomatic Intervention, a Private Police Force is not something we can abide, granted, it is certainly not Invasion worthy. On that note, however:
Holy fucking shit your Police Forces are equipped better than your Military Forces.
How could your government be so absolutely incompetent as to let that happen?

Excidium Planetis wrote:We do not manufacture them (they are not hard FT), but we will buy energy weapons from foreign nations (who are soft FT) and will use them. In fact, we currently have several million energy assault rifles with optional grenade launchers that our military has begun issuing. We bought those from Stormwrath too.


Okay then...
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:19 pm

Aeiouia wrote:-snip-

One possibility to improve the blockade would to have a few of my ships on lookout duty with their gravity detectors. If he is using anything that warps space-time they will detect it, and then be able to roughly get a idea of where those ships are going, and then once those ships drop out of warp my ships will be able to detect the high intensity radiation coming off of it and move in to warn, and if they do not get the warning, a lengthily battle.

I really hope though that we do this fairly, in other words, not a curb-stomp battle. RP is about having fun, not curb-stomping our IC enemies into oblivion with our superior whatever, and losses on our side are a big part of that previously mentioned fun.
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Postby Stormwrath » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:22 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote: The police force is a private company, currently SecureShip Enterprises, who chose to spend several hundred billion dollars in contract money purchasing exosuits form Stormwrath's AE Celestia corporation.

Holy fucking shit your Police Forces are equipped better than your Military Forces.
How could your government be so absolutely incompetent as to let that happen?


Excidium Planetis wrote:We do not manufacture them (they are not hard FT), but we will buy energy weapons from foreign nations (who are soft FT) and will use them. In fact, we currently have several million energy assault rifles with optional grenade launchers that our military has begun issuing. We bought those from Stormwrath too.


For emphasis.

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Aeiouia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Aeiouia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:24 pm

Atomic Utopia wrote:I really hope though that we do this fairly, in other words, not a curb-stomp battle. RP is about having fun, not curb-stomping our IC enemies into oblivion with our superior whatever, and losses on our side are a big part of that previously mentioned fun.


Indeed. Even though I am still very inexperienced, I try to play fairly myself. While Aeiouia is a ridiculously advanced nation, we have the restraining bolt of being unable and unwilling to hurt anyone under any circumstances. And besides, I would tone down our more advanced technology a bit for the purposes of certain RPs as needed, of course.

As I have stated before, I am still quite new to this. So, please let me know if I do anything too overpowered in an RP. I will ret-con it immediately.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Tinfect » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:29 pm

Stormwrath wrote:
Tinfect wrote:Holy fucking shit your Police Forces are equipped better than your Military Forces.
How could your government be so absolutely incompetent as to let that happen?


Excidium Planetis wrote:We do not manufacture them (they are not hard FT), but we will buy energy weapons from foreign nations (who are soft FT) and will use them. In fact, we currently have several million energy assault rifles with optional grenade launchers that our military has begun issuing. We bought those from Stormwrath too.


For emphasis.


You seem to have missed the end of my post?
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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:30 pm

Dudes, if you're not posting on that thread I made (which is now in the Current Roleplays section) you won't be counted as a part of the PTFS civil war.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:14 pm

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:Dudes, if you're not posting on that thread I made (which is now in the Current Roleplays section) you won't be counted as a part of the PTFS civil war.


Home Fleet is kind of being attacked by a genocidal admiral, Aeiouia is about to either fake a war with Dawn Fleet or find out we own slaves and attempt to defeat us in combat, and Silent Fleet is currently in a diplomatic meeting over mining rights in NB-174c.

Basically, all we have is Advance Fleet, which are exploration ships, and I don't have enough time to write all these RP posts.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:1) What makes it okay for them to be slaves?


That's what I'm asking you.

Capitalism.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:3) Sheer numbers. You think a Princeps could defeat 200 civilian vessels armed with laser cannons, missiles, and occasionally even railguns? At once?


The Fourth Fleet alone maintains 437 Princeps II Cruisers at the moment, and they tend to travel in groups of 3, or with a Triarius III.

200 to 1 is the ratio of our total ships to your military ships, I believe. You don't have more than 10,000 right? So just imagine 87,400 civilian vessels attacking all your Princeps.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:4) So your plan to end slavery is to kill the slaves? That's what hitting Reckoner with a Planetcracker would do. Effective, but hardly the moral highground.


Fair enough, but we have other ways of causing proper damage to the Reckoner, the aforementioned Planetary Bombardment Devices come to mind.

Again, there would be collateral damage. Many slaves are housed on ships docked in the A1 Level, the outermost level.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:And also, I wonder how your ally Aeiouia feels about your troops killing our civilians, who did not sign up to fight. I wonder, is their disaproval of slavery enough to allow them to overlook the fact that you are essentially committing genocide?


ICly, I am sure that Aeiouia has condemned us several times for similar action, hell, they did it in that RP we are currently in. As it happens, if your Civilians attack our Soldiers, they are considered Combatants, and leave behind the significant protections we would normally offer them.

But in killing those who fight, your weapons will also likely kill non-combatants, that alone will force many of our citizens to fight just to save their necks.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:6) Of course. Voting is practically a sacred right.


That you... Extend to Slaves, who, are not usually granted many rights, hence why they are called slaves.

Slave: A person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them. I don't see anything about not being given basic rights, like voting, and owning as many guns as you want.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:a federal offense punishable by execution.


holy shit
The Imperium reserves Execution for Crimes against the State, perhaps that is a bit extreme of a punishment, for simple abuse?
On another note I think I'll just remove any further examples of shitty capitalism for the sake of brevity.

We give executions for a lot of crimes here. Pretty much any violent crime, and some other stuff too. Good news is, we have very few repeat offenders!
(The WA says we execute fully 9% of all citizens. This cannot be correct, as the murder rate is only 1.4%, and surely rape, assault, and abuse do not occur that frequently?)

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:The Foreign Servants Act will grant slaves the right to public education (though government paid college is available only to citizens), will define in what circumstances an individual (citizen or otherwise) may be made a slave, make illegal slavery a federal offense punishable by execution, and mandate emancipation of slaves (held by Excidian masters) which have served 10 years. It is expected to be submitted, queued, and most likely passed this year.


Oh.
The most we would do is accelerate that Legislation then...

You can't accelerate direct democracy. The people will submit it, queue it up, and vote on it when they do.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:8 )Civilians are also allowed to (and sometimes do) own hand grenades, rocket propelled grenade launchers, flamethrowers, ordinary (bullet) ballistic weapons, taser-like devices, some chemical weapons, and yes, energy weapons too (if they can find some).


They are also completely untrained, and, if they are willing to take a second think about it, if it comes to an Imperial Invasion, unless they fire on our Soldiers, they will be unharmed. That much will be made abundantly clear. Once Imperial order is established, we can work Integration out. Likely the immediate removal of Advanced, or High-Powered Firearms, with the cessation of Sale of Ammunition, and Firearms overall.

You are socialists who want to take their guns and their right to vote away. I don't think they will go down without a fight.
Also, I don't think you realize how many of our citizens list "Space Pirate" as their occupation.

Tinfect wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote: The police force is a private company, currently SecureShip Enterprises, who chose to spend several hundred billion dollars in contract money purchasing exosuits form Stormwrath's AE Celestia corporation.


Now, that alone is grounds for Diplomatic Intervention, a Private Police Force is not something we can abide, granted, it is certainly not Invasion worthy. On that note, however:
Holy fucking shit your Police Forces are equipped better than your Military Forces.
How could your government be so absolutely incompetent as to let that happen?

They aren't. Our military uses Singapore's Raffles walkers as ground vehicles (they come with energy shields, ion cannons, and some more stuff we added on, notably a rocket launcher and a magnetic shield), and uses antiproton beams as weapons. Plus, we issue laser rifles.
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Postby Stormwrath » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:28 pm

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:Dudes, if you're not posting on that thread I made (which is now in the Current Roleplays section) you won't be counted as a part of the PTFS civil war.

Where's the IC thread of that, then?

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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:45 pm

Stormwrath wrote:
Singaporean Transhumans wrote:Dudes, if you're not posting on that thread I made (which is now in the Current Roleplays section) you won't be counted as a part of the PTFS civil war.

Where's the IC thread of that, then?

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Postby Tinfect » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:05 pm

Deminis wrote:Alright, so a ton of research, a few random planet generators, some startrek, starwars and starcraft, and a shit ton of coffee and i have officially finished developing my nations "Alt Earth's" Solar System!

Please Please PLEASE! Be honest, but don't be brutal XD

Pixis is supposed to have a layer of a new element on it, so ill spend the next fact book on that i guess.



That works, granted, Pixus looks like it is going to be practically worthless. This "Liquid Titanium", if it melts at the same temperatures as normal Ice, will be totally worthless at deflecting Energy Weapons, due to most of them dealing damage by causing Thermal Stress.
Might want to look into the Physics of a Planet 15 Times the size of Earth, granted, it would be pretty damn cool if rather than a proper seafloor, the bottom of the Planetary Ocean is just Pressure-Ice.

Also, the name suggests to me that you think Titanium is still the "Strongest Metal". That, if you still believe it, it entirely untrue. NASA uses it for its high Strength-to-Weight Ratio, allowing them to maintain Spacecraft integrity, without adding as much mass as Steel, even if it would allow for stronger hulls.
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Postby Deminis » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:14 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Deminis wrote:Alright, so a ton of research, a few random planet generators, some startrek, starwars and starcraft, and a shit ton of coffee and i have officially finished developing my nations "Alt Earth's" Solar System!

Please Please PLEASE! Be honest, but don't be brutal XD

Pixis is supposed to have a layer of a new element on it, so ill spend the next fact book on that i guess.



That works, granted, Pixus looks like it is going to be practically worthless. This "Liquid Titanium", if it melts at the same temperatures as normal Ice, will be totally worthless at deflecting Energy Weapons, due to most of them dealing damage by causing Thermal Stress.
Might want to look into the Physics of a Planet 15 Times the size of Earth, granted, it would be pretty damn cool if rather than a proper seafloor, the bottom of the Planetary Ocean is just Pressure-Ice.

Also, the name suggests to me that you think Titanium is still the "Strongest Metal". That, if you still believe it, it entirely untrue. NASA uses it for its high Strength-to-Weight Ratio, allowing them to maintain Spacecraft integrity, without adding as much mass as Steel, even if it would allow for stronger hulls.


So shrink the ocean resort planet a bit XD I got that number from estimating with what was considered small ocean planets in other fictions, so i figured this would be medium. But yeah, the core is currently unknown because "modern" vehicles can not survive the pressure.

Na, i know titanium is outdated, the name was just supposed to be a joke until i could get the official stuff on it. Its going to melt just higher then steel, but it is going to have a kind of natural energy (kinetic, heat, plasma, ect.) dampening effect when a electrical current is applied, a sort of kinetic shielding application. When i get it all done it is going to be call Kenitium. Its meant to be light weight and kind of flexible when thinned. so i was thinking rather than ships, i could use it for ground force armors; Flak jackets, mech armor, track armor, Ect.

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Postby Atomic Utopia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:59 am

Aeiouia wrote:
Atomic Utopia wrote:I really hope though that we do this fairly, in other words, not a curb-stomp battle. RP is about having fun, not curb-stomping our IC enemies into oblivion with our superior whatever, and losses on our side are a big part of that previously mentioned fun.


Indeed. Even though I am still very inexperienced, I try to play fairly myself. While Aeiouia is a ridiculously advanced nation, we have the restraining bolt of being unable and unwilling to hurt anyone under any circumstances. And besides, I would tone down our more advanced technology a bit for the purposes of certain RPs as needed, of course.

As I have stated before, I am still quite new to this. So, please let me know if I do anything too overpowered in an RP. I will ret-con it immediately.

Mind, what you are about to see is my opinion, so do not feel like you have to follow my opinion.

Well the one big secret to (in my opinion) good RPs is this, RPs are not for wining or loosing, or indeed fighting armies of doom, but developing characters, showing the suffering and hardship; the insanity and power, of these characters on the canvas of an interstellar war, a massive series diplomatic summits between nations. Things that try your charterers souls and thereby show their deepest and most profound emotions.

A nation that always wins, an army that always defeats it's opponent never goes through any serious character development, it never really shows what it's ideals are when it is pushed, it never reveals what it is in the dark. A fearless character is one hell of a boring one unless there is more than one layer to it's fearlessness.

So here is one slight recommendation, you do not have to take it, and you should also note that I am not terribly experienced as an RPer either.

[rant]Focus more upon the lives of your individual people and their emotions, their motivations, than the actions of a huge, massive space empire. When your troops land on the planet you should have them display their deepest fears and have them confront those fears, either breaking or surviving. Your generals should bicker, plague should overwhelm your health systems on certain planets, and your fleets should scramble in futility to prevent that. There should be losses, sadness, far, and darkness. But do not make it a world of just darkness, shine a light into the world, offer hope to your characters struggling through adversity, show that even the worst can be weathered. And when it cannot, that is what we like to call a tragedy. Be subtle with your characters and the changes of there emotions.

The rule of funny can only bring you so far in character development, having a few of those moments is always good, it helps break the tension, but even in a rule of funny universe you should have fears to be confronted that go beyond the mere "this is sub-optimal". Your empire is also too unambiguously "good", and while that is all fine and good, most empires/civilizations/nations/states have had people who are not that good, people who have goals that are more morally gray than they are good.

And most of all, experiment, add new characters, try out new writing styles, loose that battle, shoot that enemy, no, nuke that enemy, try and go from one extreme to another to find a middle ground.[/rant]
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Postby Tinfect » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:17 am

Deminis wrote: So shrink the ocean resort planet a bit XD I got that number from estimating with what was considered small ocean planets in other fictions, so i figured this would be medium. But yeah, the core is currently unknown because "modern" vehicles can not survive the pressure.


Yeah, maybe 3 times Earth, and you can probably still get Pressure-Ice.

Deminis wrote: Na, i know titanium is outdated, the name was just supposed to be a joke until i could get the official stuff on it. Its going to melt just higher then steel, but it is going to have a kind of natural energy (kinetic, heat, plasma, ect.) dampening effect when a electrical current is applied, a sort of kinetic shielding application. When i get it all done it is going to be call Kenitium. Its meant to be light weight and kind of flexible when thinned. so i was thinking rather than ships, i could use it for ground force armors; Flak jackets, mech armor, track armor, Ect.


That makes a fair bit more sense than using it for Battleship armour then.
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Postby Aeiouia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:29 am

Atomic Utopia wrote:-snip-


Yeah. You bring up quite a few good points. I do rely on Rule of Funny quite heavily. I personally find it very amusing, as I look to mostly just be silly and funny in my leisure time. Really silly, laid back settings are just what I personally prefer, and what I aimed for with Aeiouia. But, I really should consider that not everyone enjoys that as much as I do, and I will try to be a bit more serious in other RPs.

And, Aeiouia is not perfect. The whole "Perfect Pacifist People" thing we have going is largely played for laughs due to the utterly ridiculous degree that we take it to, but we can, and will lose conflicts. Always winning is indeed boring, godmod-like, and generally a dickish thing to do. I just have not been on the losing side of a conflict yet, for the simple reason that I have not been in many RPs yet.

I personally find it fun RPing a nation that has a major technological advantage, but has to remain comically saintly at all times. This means that I have to find more creative ways to counter other people's attacks. I cannot just "Shoot the enemy", I have to come up with some complex tactic to stop their advance, while at the same time not harming them either. Tactics like these usually have a pretty high chance of complete failure, so the technological advantage is effectively cancelled out.

Again, I have absolutely no intention to be that guy who always has to have their ultra-super-hyper-super-badass nation win. That is just lame. The only reason why I have been on the winning end of RPs so far is simply the fact that I have not been in many, and I just happened to be on the winning sides of the ones I was. Most likely because in environments where no one is going to get hurt, like the combat simulators at the Ringworld, my main disadvantage is nullified. In instances where the enemy can be killed (Like the upcoming Excidium attack on Olber), Aeiouia is most likely going to lose due to our extreme and utterly crippling goody-two-shoes attitude.

I will try to tone down the ultra-Lawful-Good-ness that Aeiouia has for more serious settings. And while they are mainly designed for silly settings, I probably can play the main leaders of the nation a bit more seriously, as I have a few ideas in mind.

If you would like me to, I could edit my opening post in Fatal Error to be a bit more serious. If you were aiming to have a serious RP, I do not want to ruin it for you by jumping in with a crazy AI babbling about flaming grasshoppers, after all.
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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:19 am

I have yet to write anything that reflects the emotional development of the common man in a world ravaged by irrationality(well, my canon), but I'll do that as a part of the DFMC saga.

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Postby Atomic Utopia » Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:59 pm

Aeiouia wrote:-snip-

Those were just explanations as to how I RP, not orders to change your RP style. If you are comfortable with what you have already set up, dont change it. So please, do not let my suggestions crush your own creative process, as that is what is most important in RPs.
If you would like me to, I could edit my opening post in Fatal Error to be a bit more serious. If you were aiming to have a serious RP, I do not want to ruin it for you by jumping in with a crazy AI babbling about flaming grasshoppers, after all.

I am fine with the beginning, those were just ideas, nothing more. I meant Fatal Error to be a little (quite a bit) less than serious anyway.

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:I have yet to write anything that reflects the emotional development of the common man in a world ravaged by irrationality(well, my canon), but I'll do that as a part of the DFMC saga.

Again, just what I do, you do not have to do it also.
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I will look up on it, seems like a good idea to read over the summer.
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Membership Application for the League of Mechanocracies

National Information

Nation Name: Kaiserreich of Volkrieg
Government Type: Orwellian theocratic National Socialist-esque state (basically as far right you can get)
Economical System: Command economy
State Ideology: I haven't named it yet, but it is theocratic, ultra ultra ultra right ideology.
Tech Level: Nightmare Tech.
Individual(s) that exercises control and leadership: Kriegmarshall Maximilian Rommel (nothing to do with Erwin Rommel)
Capital City/Seat of Power: Mühlzach
Home Planet/equivalent: Volkrieg Prime
Majority Species: Volkrisch (basically human but with augmentations)
Other Species: Homo sapiens
What are machines usually regarded as in your nation? Tools of the Blutdämon to make the Volkrisch closer to him. (Basically godlike things)

Economical Information

Individual(s) exercising control over Economy: Wirtschaftmarshall Matthäus Wehinger
Currency or Equivalent: Volkrisch reichsthaler
National GDP or equivalent: I'm not to sure.
Major exports: Not sure.
Major imports: Not sure.

Military Information

Individual(s) exercising control over Military: Kriegmarshall Maximilian Rommel
Active Military Individuals: 890,744,562
Reserve Military Individuals: 903,780,000
Favourite tactic: Offensive siege warfare
Favourite war machine: Stahljagdhund (Mechanical warbeast)
Able to operate overseas/out of borders? Yes

Membership Information

Membership in other alliances: Anti-Democracy League
Do machines have full rights in your nation? Please explain. Of course they do.
Reason for joining the LoM: To further spread the machine agenda and join a coalition of likeminded nations
Are you willing to abide by, as well as agreeing with, the LoM Pancasila as well as the Rules? Yes
Any notes: I'm a female so use correct pronouns

OOC Information

How active are you in RPs? Active
Can your nation actively participate in LoM activities? I guess so
Supply at least 1 RP example:
I ran alongside Byrhtnoth, grasping my rifle tight and jolting cover from cover. We had just ambushed a monarchist ammunition convoy and blew the vehicles sky high. Bullets rained down through the windows of the slender buildings, Byrhtnoth and I were pinned down. I was cowering behind a blue post-box, while Byrhtnoth stood bravely behind a dying, thick elm tree. Byrhtnoth and I managed to squeeze off a few rounds of 7.7×56mmR lead into the window where the monarchist forces were hiding, before reinforcements arrived. Now superior in numbers, we advanced into the cramped house and began to clear it out. I cleared out the bottom floor easily while Byrhtnoth required assistance for the top floor. We stopped and stared out a fogged window, staring for no particular reason. Byrhtnoth rested his arm against the window and rested his forehead against his arm. We wiped the fog off with our palms and our shirts and looked at each other.

"We are winning this war. I can tell these monarchist parasites are retreating into Treburgh." Byrhtnoth smiled. I nodded in agreement and opened the window. That was when a barrage of bullets ripped through the walls, and incapacitated Byrhtnoth. A large gaping hole appeared in his thin leg and a grabbed my rifle. I pressed myself up against the painted wall, trying not to cry. I was only 16 then. More bullets came through the walls and they narrowly missed my frail body. I dived onto my stomach, promising Byrhtnoth to come back. I crawled in the direction of the gunfire and saw about six men, wearing full grey uniforms, aiming their carbines into the walls. I fired about two shots, before they noticed me. I instinctively rolled behind a wall in the nick of time, stood up and grabbed my makeshift knife from my breastpocket. I fixed it to the bayonet lug and charged into the room. I shot about once and began a crazy frenzy of slashing my rifle. Everyone had been killed, but I felt a burning pain pulse its way through my body. I fell over, clasping leg, it was bleeding everywhere. I was dying, and then I eventually passed out.

I awoke to see Byrhtnoth and two other men shaking my head and applying field dressing to my legs. Byrhtnoth leaned over me and said worringly "You've been shot badly, lad. You mightn't make it lad." I tried fighting off the tears, but couldn't resist. I wept and screamed, both from the pain and from the thought that I was going to die. Byrhtnoth suddenly limped up over to the window and dropped his rifle. He limped back to me and whispered "The parasitic monsters are launching mustard gas. Stay here, absolutely quiet laddy." Byrhtnoth began to frantically close all the windows upstairs and close all the bullet hole ridden doors. He sat next to me and we huddled together. Tears filled both of our eyes and the gas began to seep into the room from the bullet holes and broken windows. It coursed its way closer and closer to us and we began to breathe it in. We began to puke and cough. Our noses began to bleed and blisters started forming on our arms, our eyes burned like hell. Byrhtnoth did the unthinkable. He reached underneath his shirt and grabbed a Wembley Revolver. He pressed it to his temple and fired. I screamed, breathing in more gas and this time began to cough up thick blood. My breath escaped from my lungs, I could not breathe. I fell over and grabbed Byrhtnoth's revolver. I shoved the barrel down my mouth and fired.

It was all over. Ever since the gas attacks, the SRA had began ramping up their attacks, ranging from bombing of bridges in monarchist held areas, to assassination of essential monarchist generals. Today was the last day of the war, the final, final end to the horrible conflict that claimed over 500,000 civilian lives.

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Postby Singaporean Transhumans » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:02 pm

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From: League of Mechanocracies Executive Committee
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Subject: LoM Membership Application

Greetings and salutations, friends!

We are happy to announce that Volkrieg has been, after evaluation, deemed ACCEPTED, and furthermore,Volkrieg is ADMITTED into as a full member of the League of Mechanocracies. We thank you for joining us in the effort to construct an unified machines' political front at last in the Multiverse.

However, we do inquire on the properties and specifications of this "Nightmare Tech" level you speak of, as we fail to find any relevant information on it. This is purely for the reference of other members.

You are now authorized to gain access and participate in any official LoM-organized event, and contributing to other member states. Once again we thank you for joining the League.


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So it's basically PMT in the field of engineering humans, right?
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Postby Volkrieg » Fri Jul 03, 2015 9:10 pm

Singaporean Transhumans wrote:

So it's basically PMT in the field of engineering humans, right?

Basically so. But Nightmare Tech is the closest thing I could find to my tech level, so we're still mechanocratic.

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