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New Kvenland
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Postby New Kvenland » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:33 am

Ardoki wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Hory shiet.

We don't have that. Actually, we don't have any pledge of allegiance for normal people, it's basically kind of just expected unless you renounce your citizenship, then you're on your own.

All military have a pledge and all government employees above a certain level have a similar pledge, though.

Those who go against their pledge, are re-educated, and some just disappear.

:blink:

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Postby Victoriala » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:54 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Hory shiet.

We don't have that. Actually, we don't have any pledge of allegiance for normal people, it's basically kind of just expected unless you renounce your citizenship, then you're on your own.

All military have a pledge and all government employees above a certain level have a similar pledge, though.

Those who go against their pledge, are re-educated, and some just disappear.

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Postby New Jordslag » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:01 pm

Victoriala wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Those who go against their pledge, are re-educated, and some just disappear.

Wall every border connected to him

Indeed.
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Postby Ardoki » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:40 am

A new and improved version of the flag. :)

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Greater Ardokian Empire | It is Ardoki's destiny to rule the whole world!
Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Republic

Head of State: Grand Emperor Alistair Killian Moriarty
Head of Government: Grand Imperial Chancellor Kennedy Rowan Coleman
Legislature: Imperial Senate
Ruling Party: Imperial Progressive Party
Technology Level: MT (Primary) | PMT, FanT (Secondary)
Politics: Social Democrat
Religion: None
Personality Type: ENTP 3w4

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Postby Kakov » Tue Jun 09, 2015 11:44 am

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THE UNITED LEFT


APPLICATION FORM • APPLICATION FORM • APPLICATION FORM


SECTION ONE
Nation Information

Official National Name:
Short National Name: The Soviet Socialist Republics of Kakov
Abbreviated Form: SSRK, Kakov
National Population (RP): 100 million
National Tech Era: MT
Map: (Optional) see factbook if interested
Regional Map: (Optional)

SECTION TWO
Ambassador Information

Name: Yuri Shapoklatsky
Age: 54
Gender: male
Health concerns: none
Biography: (Highly Recommended, Optional) Born in Prokev, in the SSR of Krain. His father was an official from the Polin era. As a youth he excelled in fitness and sports such as hockey and cricket. He represented Kakov in international weightlifting competitions from the age of 16-20. From 18-21 He studied Biological Chemistry at Aleksandrovich Tekhnologicheskiy i nauchnaya akademiya in Polingrad

SECTION THREE
Economy Information

Economic System: proletarian command economy
Economic Stage: (Depression, recession, growth, etc.) growth
Currency: Rouble
Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 rouble= 30 cents NSD
GDP: $9,127,800,000,000.00
GDP per capita: $4,847.48
HDI:

SECTION FOUR
Society Information

Freedom of thought:
Freedom of belief (religion): yes
Freedom of expression: yes
Freedom of the media: within the bounds of what is healthy and promotes and lends vision to the construction of communism
Freedom of peaceful assembly: yes, so long as the assembly does not endanger the continuation of construction of communism
Freedom of association: yes, except for far right persons and groups
Freedom of movement: yes, except for imprisoned and otherwise facing detainment
Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: yes
Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: yes
Freedom from slavery: yes
Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: yes
Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): yes, any voter can vote in primaries to choose their party representatives
Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: yes
Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: yes
Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): yes

SECTION FIVE
Policy Information

GOVERNMENT
Government Type:
Head of State: Yuri Roman Zarubin
Head of Government: Silach Nikishinov
Legislature: Supreme Senate of the People
Head of Legislature: Arkady Gorzhinskii
Judiciary: The Supreme Tribunal of the People
Head of Judiciary: Head Justice Feliks Naredin
Political Ideologies: marxist-leninist

FOREIGN POLICY
Known enemies, rivals: N/A
DEFCON level: (If you provide a threat level, please define the threats to your nation.)
Known allied nations: Bulgar Rouge
Other Alliance Memberships: (Alliance systems in NSG - UL, IFC, etc. etc.)
Foreign Policy: (Define your foreign policy the best you can, here.) Peaceful unless threatened. Works for the promotion of world revolution

SECTION SIX
Military Information

Name of Military: The Armed Forces of the People
Commander In Chief: Aldony Kaspertzky
Active Military Personnel: 50,000
Reserve Military Personnel: 75,000
Military Budget: $1,356,999,934,027.43 (22% of GDP)
Military Black Budget: (Optional)

SECTION SEVEN
OOC Information
Do you agree to abide by the People's Proclamation: yes
Are there any reasons why you are applying to the UL: because we want to make allies and work together to further the worldwide proletarian revolution
Why do you think the United Left is a good fit for you: Because we are communist and international cooperation is necessary for the construction of the world soviet
What do you think you can contribute to the UL: propaganda art, military assistance, financial aid
Roleplay Examples: (Please use links - if you have to place the full text here, spoiler it.) viewtopic.php?f=4&t=283318
Have you had trouble with the Forum Moderators: no
If so, how severe was the situation, and why did it happen:

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Postby New Jordslag » Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:41 pm

Kakov wrote:

THE UNITED LEFT


APPLICATION FORM • APPLICATION FORM • APPLICATION FORM


SECTION ONE
Nation Information

Official National Name:
Short National Name: The Soviet Socialist Republics of Kakov
Abbreviated Form: SSRK, Kakov
National Population (RP): 100 million
National Tech Era: MT
Map: (Optional) see factbook if interested
Regional Map: (Optional)

SECTION TWO
Ambassador Information

Name: Yuri Shapoklatsky
Age: 54
Gender: male
Health concerns: none
Biography: (Highly Recommended, Optional) Born in Prokev, in the SSR of Krain. His father was an official from the Polin era. As a youth he excelled in fitness and sports such as hockey and cricket. He represented Kakov in international weightlifting competitions from the age of 16-20. From 18-21 He studied Biological Chemistry at Aleksandrovich Tekhnologicheskiy i nauchnaya akademiya in Polingrad

SECTION THREE
Economy Information

Economic System: proletarian command economy
Economic Stage: (Depression, recession, growth, etc.) growth
Currency: Rouble
Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 rouble= 30 cents NSD
GDP: $9,127,800,000,000.00
GDP per capita: $4,847.48
HDI:

SECTION FOUR
Society Information

Freedom of thought:
Freedom of belief (religion): yes
Freedom of expression: yes
Freedom of the media: within the bounds of what is healthy and promotes and lends vision to the construction of communism
Freedom of peaceful assembly: yes, so long as the assembly does not endanger the continuation of construction of communism
Freedom of association: yes, except for far right persons and groups
Freedom of movement: yes, except for imprisoned and otherwise facing detainment
Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: yes
Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: yes
Freedom from slavery: yes
Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: yes
Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): yes, any voter can vote in primaries to choose their party representatives
Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: yes
Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: yes
Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): yes

SECTION FIVE
Policy Information

GOVERNMENT
Government Type:
Head of State: Yuri Roman Zarubin
Head of Government: Silach Nikishinov
Legislature: Supreme Senate of the People
Head of Legislature: Arkady Gorzhinskii
Judiciary: The Supreme Tribunal of the People
Head of Judiciary: Head Justice Feliks Naredin
Political Ideologies: marxist-leninist

FOREIGN POLICY
Known enemies, rivals: N/A
DEFCON level: (If you provide a threat level, please define the threats to your nation.)
Known allied nations: Bulgar Rouge
Other Alliance Memberships: (Alliance systems in NSG - UL, IFC, etc. etc.)
Foreign Policy: (Define your foreign policy the best you can, here.) Peaceful unless threatened. Works for the promotion of world revolution

SECTION SIX
Military Information

Name of Military: The Armed Forces of the People
Commander In Chief: Aldony Kaspertzky
Active Military Personnel: 50,000
Reserve Military Personnel: 75,000
Military Budget: $1,356,999,934,027.43 (22% of GDP)
Military Black Budget: (Optional)

SECTION SEVEN
OOC Information
Do you agree to abide by the People's Proclamation: yes
Are there any reasons why you are applying to the UL: because we want to make allies and work together to further the worldwide proletarian revolution
Why do you think the United Left is a good fit for you: Because we are communist and international cooperation is necessary for the construction of the world soviet
What do you think you can contribute to the UL: propaganda art, military assistance, financial aid
Roleplay Examples: (Please use links - if you have to place the full text here, spoiler it.) http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic ... 4&t=283318
Have you had trouble with the Forum Moderators: no
If so, how severe was the situation, and why did it happen:

Do not remove - Social2478


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Postby The United Remnants of America » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:32 pm

Ardoki wrote:A new and improved version of the flag. :)

[]http://i.imgur.com/058VlvV.png?1[/]


*Sith Empire anthem plays in background*
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Postby Ardoki » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:33 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Ardoki wrote:A new and improved version of the flag. :)

[]http://i.imgur.com/058VlvV.png?1[/]


*Sith Empire anthem plays in background*

It iz of navy blu of now.
Greater Ardokian Empire | It is Ardoki's destiny to rule the whole world!
Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Republic

Head of State: Grand Emperor Alistair Killian Moriarty
Head of Government: Grand Imperial Chancellor Kennedy Rowan Coleman
Legislature: Imperial Senate
Ruling Party: Imperial Progressive Party
Technology Level: MT (Primary) | PMT, FanT (Secondary)
Politics: Social Democrat
Religion: None
Personality Type: ENTP 3w4

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Postby Ardoki » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:36 pm

I'm thinking of making Ardoki full on socialist again. However of the Market Socialist variety.

After learning about the successful worker-cooperative, Mondragon Corporation, I believe it is superior to capitalism.
Greater Ardokian Empire | It is Ardoki's destiny to rule the whole world!
Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Republic

Head of State: Grand Emperor Alistair Killian Moriarty
Head of Government: Grand Imperial Chancellor Kennedy Rowan Coleman
Legislature: Imperial Senate
Ruling Party: Imperial Progressive Party
Technology Level: MT (Primary) | PMT, FanT (Secondary)
Politics: Social Democrat
Religion: None
Personality Type: ENTP 3w4

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Postby New Aeyariss » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:45 pm

Ardoki wrote:I'm thinking of making Ardoki full on socialist again. However of the Market Socialist variety.

After learning about the successful worker-cooperative, Mondragon Corporation, I believe it is superior to capitalism.


All when I, the capitalist pig, count $$$ coming to my pocket on minute basis.... But anyway...

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Postby Ardoki » Tue Jun 09, 2015 7:48 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I'm thinking of making Ardoki full on socialist again. However of the Market Socialist variety.

After learning about the successful worker-cooperative, Mondragon Corporation, I believe it is superior to capitalism.


All when I, the capitalist pig, count $$$ coming to my pocket on minute basis.... But anyway...

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Actually, unlike planned socialism, market socialism can perform just as well as capitalism can.

It operates in a market economy, like regular capitalism, but instead of the MoP being privately owned it is worker owned. In 2013, Mondragon Corporation (a federation of worker cooperatives) made almost 13 billion Euro in revenue.
Greater Ardokian Empire | It is Ardoki's destiny to rule the whole world!
Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Republic

Head of State: Grand Emperor Alistair Killian Moriarty
Head of Government: Grand Imperial Chancellor Kennedy Rowan Coleman
Legislature: Imperial Senate
Ruling Party: Imperial Progressive Party
Technology Level: MT (Primary) | PMT, FanT (Secondary)
Politics: Social Democrat
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:16 pm

Ardoki wrote:I'm thinking of making Ardoki full on socialist again. However of the Market Socialist variety.

After learning about the successful worker-cooperative, Mondragon Corporation, I believe it is superior to capitalism.

Dirigisme is superior economic system.

Join URA. Be Dirigisme! 8)

*Starts putting slogan on propaganda flyers everywhere*
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"URA New Confucius 2015."- Organized States
"Congrats. You just won the second place prize for Not Giving a Fuck. First Place, of course, always goes to Furry."
"He's an 8 Ball, DEN. You can't deal with an 8 Ball." - Empire of Donner land
"This Rp is flexible with science and so will you." - Tagali Federation
"I'm confused as to your tactic but I'll trust you." - Die erworbenen Namen
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Postby New Aeyariss » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:37 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I'm thinking of making Ardoki full on socialist again. However of the Market Socialist variety.

After learning about the successful worker-cooperative, Mondragon Corporation, I believe it is superior to capitalism.

Dirigisme is superior economic system.

Join URA. Be Dirigisme! 8)

*Starts putting slogan on propaganda flyers everywhere*


Eh I shown you and now you are propagating it ;);

Free market for the win ;)!
Rping in MT (2023) and PT/FanT (1564)


Inyourfaceistan wrote:You didn't know that Cusc is actually a 4-armed cyborg genius commander and skillful warrior created in secret by a cabal of rich capitalist financiers built to lead and army of drones and other renegades against and overbearing socialist regime?
Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Also known as El Cuscatlan, Jesus will offer you eternal life if you believe in him!


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Postby The United Remnants of America » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:39 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Dirigisme is superior economic system.

Join URA. Be Dirigisme! 8)

*Starts putting slogan on propaganda flyers everywhere*


Eh I shown you and now you are propagating it ;);

Free market for the win ;)!


Free market. To a point. Still very state-controlled. Which is why I had a hard time deciding between dirigisme and state-capitalism, since my nation leans between the two.
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"I would much rather be with you than against you, you're way too imaginative."
"URA New Confucius 2015."- Organized States
"Congrats. You just won the second place prize for Not Giving a Fuck. First Place, of course, always goes to Furry."
"He's an 8 Ball, DEN. You can't deal with an 8 Ball." - Empire of Donner land
"This Rp is flexible with science and so will you." - Tagali Federation
"I'm confused as to your tactic but I'll trust you." - Die erworbenen Namen
"Unfiltered, concentrated, possibly weaponized stupidity."
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Postby New Aeyariss » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:44 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:
Eh I shown you and now you are propagating it ;);

Free market for the win ;)!


Free market. To a point. Still very state-controlled. Which is why I had a hard time deciding between dirigisme and state-capitalism, since my nation leans between the two.


I was speaking about my nation - with huge family owned corporations and Shogun having special intelligence service for dealing with corruption - otherwise the market would have been monopolized within a day, after short but very bloody and brutal price war ;).
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Inyourfaceistan wrote:You didn't know that Cusc is actually a 4-armed cyborg genius commander and skillful warrior created in secret by a cabal of rich capitalist financiers built to lead and army of drones and other renegades against and overbearing socialist regime?
Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Also known as El Cuscatlan, Jesus will offer you eternal life if you believe in him!


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Postby The United Remnants of America » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:47 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:
Free market. To a point. Still very state-controlled. Which is why I had a hard time deciding between dirigisme and state-capitalism, since my nation leans between the two.


I was speaking about my nation - with huge family owned corporations and Shogun having special intelligence service for dealing with corruption - otherwise the market would have been monopolized within a day, after short but very bloody and brutal price war ;).

Ahhh. That sounds fun, but fairly inefficient.
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"I would much rather be with you than against you, you're way too imaginative."
"URA New Confucius 2015."- Organized States
"Congrats. You just won the second place prize for Not Giving a Fuck. First Place, of course, always goes to Furry."
"He's an 8 Ball, DEN. You can't deal with an 8 Ball." - Empire of Donner land
"This Rp is flexible with science and so will you." - Tagali Federation
"I'm confused as to your tactic but I'll trust you." - Die erworbenen Namen
"Unfiltered, concentrated, possibly weaponized stupidity."
Thafoo, Leningrad Union: DEAT'd for your sins.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:49 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:
I was speaking about my nation - with huge family owned corporations and Shogun having special intelligence service for dealing with corruption - otherwise the market would have been monopolized within a day, after short but very bloody and brutal price war ;).

Ahhh. That sounds fun, but fairly inefficient.


It is generally efficient. I am still thinking partially about my economy, but generally Shogun keeps everything in check. In his vision market should serve the people, not otherwise.

Does not change the fact that sometimes Zaibatsu are like samurai clans of old.
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Inyourfaceistan wrote:You didn't know that Cusc is actually a 4-armed cyborg genius commander and skillful warrior created in secret by a cabal of rich capitalist financiers built to lead and army of drones and other renegades against and overbearing socialist regime?
Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
Also known as El Cuscatlan, Jesus will offer you eternal life if you believe in him!


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>not using cybersyn

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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:49 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:
Eh I shown you and now you are propagating it ;);

Free market for the win ;)!


Free market. To a point. Still very state-controlled. Which is why I had a hard time deciding between dirigisme and state-capitalism, since my nation leans between the two.

You do know that State Capitalism was the economic system the Soviet Union used?

Capitalism is defined as an economic system were the MoP (means of production; e.g. factories, mines, farms, businesses, etcetera...) are privately owned/controlled. In regular capitalism, they are owned/controlled by the Bourgeoisie. In State Capitalism they are owned/controlled by the Nomenklatura (the new Soviet bureaucratic ruling class) through the state.
In Socialism the MoP are owned/controlled by the workers themselves.
The USSR was in no way socialist. It was state capitalist.
Greater Ardokian Empire | It is Ardoki's destiny to rule the whole world!
Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Republic

Head of State: Grand Emperor Alistair Killian Moriarty
Head of Government: Grand Imperial Chancellor Kennedy Rowan Coleman
Legislature: Imperial Senate
Ruling Party: Imperial Progressive Party
Technology Level: MT (Primary) | PMT, FanT (Secondary)
Politics: Social Democrat
Religion: None
Personality Type: ENTP 3w4

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:04 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:
Free market. To a point. Still very state-controlled. Which is why I had a hard time deciding between dirigisme and state-capitalism, since my nation leans between the two.

You do know that State Capitalism was the economic system the Soviet Union used?

Capitalism is defined as an economic system were the MoP (means of production; e.g. factories, mines, farms, businesses, etcetera...) are privately owned/controlled. In regular capitalism, they are owned/controlled by the Bourgeoisie. In State Capitalism they are owned/controlled by the Nomenklatura (the new Soviet bureaucratic ruling class) through the state.
In Socialism the MoP are owned/controlled by the workers themselves.
The USSR was in no way socialist. It was state capitalist.


Correct. I know what state-capitalism is.

The issue is my entire country isn't state-capitalist, hence why it's between that and dirgisme. Only the upper, large megacorps are 51% state-controlled(49% is owned by the CEOs and other directors, making them rich as hell). Anything under that level is capitalist completely.

Not like the lower businesses matter, the inflation of the Remnant credit is enormous and the working class who use those lower businesses to shop will notice a marked increase in price due to this and a noticeable lack of foodstuffs in some seasons since the URA imports a majority of its foddstuffs through trade.

On a personal level, my economy is fucking horrible for the average person. All products are expensive to purchase, especially on the meager wages provided them by their jobs. Most of the population is crammed into large cities of a hundred million or more, and most people live in apartments that are provided, but not upkept, by the state. While health insurance, public transportation, and utilities are free for the people and provided by the megacorporations, taxes are through the roof, further constricting the wages of the public. There is no draft, but a person can join the military, at least giving them a nice residence and a job that is usually better than working in a Wildfire Industries heavy machine factory. On top of that, the Internal Security Agency has become a FBI/NSA mix with an open-ended charter and ability to protect the people by any means necessary, giving a slight fear of disappearing for committing capital offenses, even if the disappearances are a myth. They don't happen, really, but the rumors exist.

As a government the URA has virtually an unlimited supply of funding and materiel from the megacorporations that trade and develop products in the best interests of the state and is hella omnipresent and omnipotent, making the nation essentially a police state that can control every aspect of public life, however not the private life of the public, just to keep that clear. The president of the government is an authoritarian leader, and while the current one is benevolent and highly patriotic for the good fo the people, the possibilities for a despot to take power is present. There is a Senate, which has control of most minor legislation, however anything affecting the nation is ordered by the president. The megacorporations are split into three: Wildfire Industries, which handles heavy industry, manufacturing, military hardware, construction, etc.; Asys Advanced Systems Technology, which handles personal entertainment, research, development, technology, robotics, cybernetics, medicine, etc.; And the Origin Corporation, which controls infrastructure, energy, tourism, public entertainment, transport, etc.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:06 pm

Wow. I'm happy I could finally describe that. That's definitely going in my factbook explanations.
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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:45 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:Wow. I'm happy I could finally describe that. That's definitely going in my factbook explanations.

Sorry. I mistakenly thought you were using the incorrect definition which claims that China is now state-capitailst (it is actually a mixed economy).
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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:48 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Ardoki wrote:You do know that State Capitalism was the economic system the Soviet Union used?

Capitalism is defined as an economic system were the MoP (means of production; e.g. factories, mines, farms, businesses, etcetera...) are privately owned/controlled. In regular capitalism, they are owned/controlled by the Bourgeoisie. In State Capitalism they are owned/controlled by the Nomenklatura (the new Soviet bureaucratic ruling class) through the state.
In Socialism the MoP are owned/controlled by the workers themselves.
The USSR was in no way socialist. It was state capitalist.


Correct. I know what state-capitalism is.

The issue is my entire country isn't state-capitalist, hence why it's between that and dirgisme. Only the upper, large megacorps are 51% state-controlled(49% is owned by the CEOs and other directors, making them rich as hell). Anything under that level is capitalist completely.

Not like the lower businesses matter, the inflation of the Remnant credit is enormous and the working class who use those lower businesses to shop will notice a marked increase in price due to this and a noticeable lack of foodstuffs in some seasons since the URA imports a majority of its foddstuffs through trade.

On a personal level, my economy is fucking horrible for the average person. All products are expensive to purchase, especially on the meager wages provided them by their jobs. Most of the population is crammed into large cities of a hundred million or more, and most people live in apartments that are provided, but not upkept, by the state. While health insurance, public transportation, and utilities are free for the people and provided by the megacorporations, taxes are through the roof, further constricting the wages of the public. There is no draft, but a person can join the military, at least giving them a nice residence and a job that is usually better than working in a Wildfire Industries heavy machine factory. On top of that, the Internal Security Agency has become a FBI/NSA mix with an open-ended charter and ability to protect the people by any means necessary, giving a slight fear of disappearing for committing capital offenses, even if the disappearances are a myth. They don't happen, really, but the rumors exist.

As a government the URA has virtually an unlimited supply of funding and materiel from the megacorporations that trade and develop products in the best interests of the state and is hella omnipresent and omnipotent, making the nation essentially a police state that can control every aspect of public life, however not the private life of the public, just to keep that clear. The president of the government is an authoritarian leader, and while the current one is benevolent and highly patriotic for the good fo the people, the possibilities for a despot to take power is present. There is a Senate, which has control of most minor legislation, however anything affecting the nation is ordered by the president. The megacorporations are split into three: Wildfire Industries, which handles heavy industry, manufacturing, military hardware, construction, etc.; Asys Advanced Systems Technology, which handles personal entertainment, research, development, technology, robotics, cybernetics, medicine, etc.; And the Origin Corporation, which controls infrastructure, energy, tourism, public entertainment, transport, etc.

Will respond when I'm not studying. :)

Interesting and cool though. :D
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:49 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Wow. I'm happy I could finally describe that. That's definitely going in my factbook explanations.

Sorry. I mistakenly thought you were using the incorrect definition which claims that China is now state-capitailst (it is actually a mixed economy).

I don't care. You made me finally do that massive explanation of life in the URA. Thank you.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:39 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:I don't care. You made me finally do that massive explanation of life in the URA. Thank you.

Ardoki imbecility level-65,000 :p


Can you please not offend people?

I HUGELY disagree with what Ardoki is doing, but this is not excuse for offending him.
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