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[Somewhereistonia]

*Hum* Let me remind everyone:

Does anyone have any objections to have a Cristofarian Duchy of Cyprus?

Just a thought, this is an addition to your claim. As you have a large, fairly powerful claim already and with a semi-autonomous Peloponnese and with your religious history still needing a lot to be worked out, it may be best to hold off a bit.

If you wish to take Cyprus, you may have to drop something else for it.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

Cyrus has under a million people and it's GDP is about 20 million. It's not much of an addition. I would be claiming that area nautically anyways.

It also has a fiercly independent Cristofarian community and that counteracts any gain I would get. It's really just for some good RPing.

The history is set for the Byzantine Catholic/Orthodox. I'm not sure what's happening with te other churches, but it's set for the Byzantine Empire.

Edit: Technically I claimed Turkey which has control over the Northern third of Cyprus.

[Nova Gaul]

Indeed. There have been extensive conversations/debates about Rome and Constantinople’s shared history. And as far as Rome and Constantinople are concerned a shared history, which perfectly as possible illustrates and elucidates their reunion, has been established.

Link: http://z7.invisionfree.invalid/A_Modern_World/index.php?showtopic=277

[Somewhereistonia]

Edit: Technically I claimed Turkey which has control over the Northern third of Cyprus.

Technically you didn't claim Cyprus at all then. You claimed Turkey, not Turkey and Northern Cyprus (only administered by Turkey, not part of it).

Still, given how little the Peloponnese have seemed to be independent and given some potential misunderstanding of what Cristoforianism is, I think patience is in order. Also as far as I am concerned the Byzantine Orthodox/Catholicism is not resolved until Tsalland and Kiev have worked out Orthodox's history with you. Not before then.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

And as far as I'm concerned their churches do not affect mine. They aren't in communion with me so the Byzantine/Orthodox/Catholic church debate it quite done.

I never claimed the Peloponnese would be completely independent, and in some ways they are.

What Cristofarianism is doesn't really matter- the point is there is a power struggle between the Byzantine government and weekly bombings in Cyprus. I really would like the Cristofarians to comment in this.

Doesn't the Turkish government claim it owns Cyprus, or at least part of it? Edit: nevermin I was thinking of the Republic of northern cyprus

[Spyr]

In terms of a Panama-Brazil claim, it might be better to go with a claim covering Colombia and Panama, perhaps adding Tachira from Venezuela in place of Narino... a solid claim of some 45 million persons, with a strategic canal (or at least canal potential) and access to both Caribbean and American Pacific.

More generally in terms of Brazil, I'd prefer to see it divided into several smaller states when it ends up claimed... to keep the politics of the region relatively balanced, it would seem best to hold the Inkan empire (just under 50 million) as occupying the upper end of the population scale for south American states, rather than having larger and more modern regional superpowers plopped down on its borders.

[Quinntonia]

Crap, you are right, I didn't mean to say Sierra Leonne, it was just on my mind when I was typing. I was thinking Ghana. But I will drop that as well. I know that Nigeria is a pretty large by itself, the only reason that I wanted a couple of smaller nations around it was to underline the point about his dreams of conquest.

To be perfectly honest, I am really starting to lean towards the Coalition States at this point. Now, are you saying that there is a canal in Nicaragua? Yes, Panama is held as a conquered territory that was invaded and occupied for the purposes of building a canal for military and trade purposes. It is our only foreign conquest to date. But, if Nicaragua already had a canal prior to say, 1970, we wouldn't have done that, so I would be willing to drop that as well as to not have a competing national feature.

I am not terribly interested in carving up Brazil, and I do understand that this is a rather large claim, but I want to ensure people that it is not as though this will be a totally first world nation, with a half a dozen supercarriers and whatnot. I am planning on being fairly isolationist, on seeing myself as part of the socialist bloc (whether they want me or not) and just becoming more active on the world scene in the last couple of years.

I mean, I would be lying if I didn't think conquest might be part of the future, but with only one nieghbour (and has he commented here yet? Is he active?) I don;t think that would make for terribly good story-lines.

[Kievskaya Rus]

On the topic of Kieven Orthodoxy. I'm really not quite understanding what is going on with the Catholic/Othodox history. I'm not even sure I understand exactly what is going on with the two nations even. It's a 100 post+ thread and I really can't spend that much time reading. Feel free to give me the three minute version.

This is Kieven Othodoxy.
The Primary Chronicle reports that in the year 987, as the result of a consultation with his boyars, Vladimir sent envoys to study the religions of the various neighboring nations whose representatives had been urging him to embrace their respective faiths. The result is amusingly described by the chronicler Nestor. Of the Muslim Bulgarians of the Volga the envoys reported there is no gladness among them; only sorrow and a great stench. They also said that the Bulgars' religion was undesirable due to its taboo against alcoholic beverages and pork; supposedly, Vladimir said on that occasion: "Drinking is the joy of the Rus'." Russian sources also describe Vladimir consulting with Jewish envoys (who may or may not have been Khazars), and questioning them about their religion but ultimately rejecting it, saying that their loss of Jerusalem was evidence of their having been abandoned by God. Ultimately Vladimir settled on Christianity. In the churches of the Germans his emissaries saw no beauty; but at *Constantinople, where the full festival ritual of the *Byzantine Church was set in motion to impress them, they found their ideal: "We no longer knew whether we were in heaven or on earth," they reported, describing a majestic Divine Liturgy in Hagia Sophia, "nor such beauty, and we know not how to tell of it."
After retuning from *Constantinople, where Vladimir himself was baptized, he exhorted the residents of his capital to the Dnieper river for baptism. This mass baptism became the iconic inaugural event in the Christianization of the state of Kievan Rus'.
At first Vladimir baptised his 12 sons and many boyars. He destroyed the wooden statues of Slavic pagan gods (which he had himself raised just eight years earlier). They were either burnt or hacked into pieces, and the statue of Perun — the supreme god — was thrown into the Dnieper. Then he sent a message to all residents of Kiev, "rich, and poor, and beggars, and slaves", to come to the river on the following day, lest they risk becoming the "prince's enemies". Large number of people came; some even brought infants with them. They were sent into the water while Orthodox priests, who came from Chersonesos for the occasion, baptized them all "eis to onoma tou Patros kai tou Huiou kai tou Hagiou Pneumatos"
In greek or slavic or latin or german or what ever language works.

Constantinople and Byzantine Church can be swapped out for what ever city and country suit our history. It could be Rome, it could be Alexandria it could be Moosejaw, Saskatchewan if that served out purpose. If Constantinople works to keep a history of Russian Orthodoxy mostly unchanged between it's start in 987 and the early 1900's then great. The one thing I've never established is if the Metropolitan/Patriarchate is in Moscow or Kiev or another city altogether. If Othodoxy give me historic ties with Constantenople, great. If it doesn't that's fine. I'm more concerned about it's internal affect on culture than I am on it's international affect. Plus I want to make sure my Kieven subjects are sanctified by the blood of Christ, forgiven of all their sins and have the promise of eternal life in haven.

[Kyr Shorn]

Kiev: Here is a short summary that I think covers everything.

It has been agree on that the Roman and Byzantine Churches has been both "Catholic" in nature the entire time of AMW history, the origins of actual RL-style Orthodoxy in AMW lie in both your nation and Tsailand (I don't how to spell it). The two "Catholic" Churches have been divided on political issues and how the relationship between the Heirs or St. Peter and St. Andrew would work.

Now they have sorted it out and the two Catholic churches are One now, or at least until a rival Anti-Pope gets elected in the Trade Federation.

The Pope is the Supreme Spiritual Authority of the Church (reminds me of the Authority from the Golden Compass series), the Byzantine Emperor is the Political Authority and now has a "Secular" College of various important Catholic leaders world wide to help him deal with Catholic Politics on a global scale.

All the signs for a new crusade are in place... Oh the jedi's are REALLY going to feel this one!

[Saxemberg]

Constantinople and Byzantine Church can be swapped out for what ever city and country suit our history. It could be Rome, it could be Alexandria it could be Moosejaw, Saskatchewan if that served out purpose.

Alexandria sounds like your best bet at the moment.

In fact, if we assume that Orthodoxy arose first in Alexandria rather than Constantinople, we could still have a Catholic/Orthodox schism. The sacking of Alexandria by the Fifth Crusade could take the place of the sacking of Constantinople by the Fourth Crusade as the event that made the breach permanent.

[Tahuantinsuyu Empire]

This South American coalition would be racist and oppressive, and consider itself associated with the Socialist countries, many/all of which are likely to be actively sponsoring anti-government action there?

A nation in which Spanish-speaking Europeans trample on native Americans, and the new Sapa Inka fresh out of kicking Cortés half to death... I think it would be in considerably more danger of being invaded in the near future than of invading anyone else

My main question relates to the statement, "I am not terribly interested in carving up Brazil" and is simply: Why? Right now, Brazil doesn't exist. It's like you were saying with regards to the African proposal, that you wanted the other states as something for the dictator to have invaded... I wondered: why couldn't he have just invaded Nigerian states, or fictional countries cut out of them?

The prospect of such a massive neighbours certainly makes me think I really should have claimed as far south as the Rio Maule!

[Somewhereistonia]

To be perfectly honest, I am really starting to lean towards the Coalition States at this point. Now, are you saying that there is a canal in Nicaragua? Yes, Panama is held as a conquered territory that was invaded and occupied for the purposes of building a canal for military and trade purposes. It is our only foreign conquest to date. But, if Nicaragua already had a canal prior to say, 1970, we wouldn't have done that, so I would be willing to drop that as well as to not have a competing national feature.

Actually, I'd quite like to have competing canal against Nicaragua's one. It would add an extra dimension and allow for people to choose the best canal for their shipping. Still, there is a panamax size canal going through Nicaragua now and if you wish to drop the competing canal, then no problem.

As for not splitting up Brazil, I agree with Tahuantinsuyu. In AMW there is currently no Brazil to split up. Brazil does not exist in the current running, so whether the borders you choose followed Brazil's or not is irrelevent. We also seem to have a number of states who have been isolationist and are just opening up to the world. We wouldn't want to go and get repetitive would we.

[Holy Abyssinia]

I'm interested in joining and I was thinking of claiming either a small island or group of islands in the Caribbean (if any are available) or else Somalia. I am thinking of either making a financial haven or a major port

EDIT: I've decided on claiming Genoa and Switzerland and the land in between if that's alright

[Holy Abyssinia]

EDIT: I am planning on creating the Republic of Argentina, capital: Viedma

History:
The Republic of Argentina was formed, in 1789 when General José Argentoles declared independence from the Empire of Annito, a colonial empire which has long since been dismembered (or not, this could be an existing nation if anyone wants to be it). General Argentoles led a swift and decisive campaign against the imperial forces starting in his homeland of Patagonia. By late 1789, General Argentoles had pushed the imperial forces back to the capital of the colony, La Plata. After a short siege of the city, the governor surrendered and General Argentoles' troops marched triumphantly through the city.

General Argentoles established the capital of his newly found nation at Viedma and built himself a large palace. He declared himself Emperor of Argentola, naming the new nation after himself. Over the 20 years of his reign, the country prospered and its inhabitants suffered. Emperor Argentoles reformed the political system and industralised his country at the expense of the population. His successor, Emperor Llando, also a former general ruled for six months before he was forced to abdicate after rioting had plunged the country into chaos. After short interrim when the country was ruled by the Republican Council, elections were held, a president was elected, a national assembly and parliament were established and a constitution was written. The conditions of life of the general population improved somewhat but at the cost of the economy.

In 1949, Juan Felipe Josalina was elected. His party, the National People's Party, had been gaining power gradually since the early 1920s. His partisans were also known as the Josalinists. In a series of reforms, known as the Great Josalina Reforms, he modernised the somewhat outdated economy, funded many infrastructure projects, centralised the government structure, eliminated corruption in all levels of government, nationalised major corporations and the media, centralising the unions and created a new economic system (neither socialist nor capitalist but a bit of both in capitalivist way).

Although a president was limited by the constitution to two terms, he was granted, by the parliament, the possibility to run for a third term to complete the reforms. His first and second re-elections were overwhelmingly in his favor and even his original election was well in his favor. Since the reforms, the successive presidents have all been Josalinists.

I can add more if necessary

[Spyr]

An interesting proposal, certainly, with population and politics that could fit well into AMW's southern Americas. In the context of AMW, the best stand-in for the Empire of Annito would probably be Spain or Portugal (technically the Azores, I suppose).

Looking at the map of AMW’s South America, it might be best to have Argentola take up the remaining portions of Chile and dropping some of Argentina’s north/northeastern provinces... Misiones, Corrientes, Entre Rios, Formosa, Chaco, Santa Fe, Santiago del Estero, Cordoba (minus General Roca), Catamarca, Tucumán, Jujuy, and Salta.... mapping reasons more than anything else here, as such would mean your claim’s population wouldn’t change too much, and space open for later claims would be contiguous with the rest of unclaimed South America, rather than leaving a small Chilean strip sandwiched between you and the Inka. Would end up looking something like this (though the Inkan border may be a bit too far south):



Also, do you have any previous roleplay you’ve participated in that could give us a sample of your work?

[Holy Abyssinia]

that would be acceptable as long as I have the Argentine, Catamarca province (for the mining). Can you tell me where exactly the border with the Inka is? what do I call the empire that colonised the area? And will I eventually be able to expand into the rest of Argentina?

RP examples (puppets of mine):
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=14236
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=20327

[Somewhereistonia]

A new map!

This accepts pretty much everything going except:

1. Esperantujo 2 (sp?) seems to have dissapeared and as far as I can tell, he was never accepted. As his map placement was slightly wrong anyway, if he comes back and is accepted then I'll just put him on.
2. I didn't know which bits LRR was dropping exactly, so for now I just gave him the rest of Morocco, which is what Spyr wanted anyway.
3. The other east asian guy, not sure if he's still around. Easier to edit in than out though.
4. As far as I could tell, Burgov's claim was for DR Congo.

[Spyr]

that would be acceptable as long as I have the Argentine, Catamarca province (for the mining). Can you tell me where exactly the border with the Inka is? what do I call the empire that colonised the area? And will I eventually be able to expand into the rest of Argentina?

Catamarca wont make too much difference either way. Another option, if you didn't want to lose the northern Argentine territories, might be to move the border a little north and east, rendering a Chile claim somewhat larger and more viable on its own. In either case, the territories wouldn't be immediately available for you to expand into, at least until another claim is plopped down to cover them... AMW threats non-player countries in a hands-off 'Here be Dragons' fashion.

Wonderful map as always, Somewhere, and I'm sure we'll figure out how to map a lesser Avarga somehow if poor LRR is intent on avoiding the extra millions ^_^.

[Burgov]

My claim is for the DRC, just to clear that up, I apologize for making it sort of confusing how I referenced it as only the Congo in my RP.

[Holy Abyssinia]

that would be acceptable as long as I have the Argentine, Catamarca province (for the mining). Can you tell me where exactly the border with the Inka is? what do I call the empire that colonised the area? And will I eventually be able to expand into the rest of Argentina?

Catamarca wont make too much difference either way. Another option, if you didn't want to lose the northern Argentine territories, might be to move the border a little north and east, rendering a Chile claim somewhat larger and more viable on its own. In either case, the territories wouldn't be immediately available for you to expand into, at least until another claim is plopped down to cover them... AMW threats non-player countries in a hands-off 'Here be Dragons' fashion.

Wonderful map as always, Somewhere, and I'm sure we'll figure out how to map a lesser Avarga somehow if poor LRR is intent on avoiding the extra millions ^_^.

nah, I'll stick with the south.

[Esperantujo 2]

A new map!

This accepts pretty much everything going except:

1. Esperantujo 2 (sp?) seems to have dissapeared and as far as I can tell, he was never accepted. As his map placement was slightly wrong anyway, if he comes back and is accepted then I'll just put him on.
2. I didn't know which bits LRR was dropping exactly, so for now I just gave him the rest of Morocco, which is what Spyr wanted anyway.
3. The other east asian guy, not sure if he's still around. Easier to edit in than out though.
4. As far as I could tell,
Burgov's claim was for DR Congo.

I'm still about. I've been lurking, awaiting developments.
Thanks for the update. My claim as listed at the beginning of this thread is correct. It is listed as "pending"(Spyr's 4th post of 14 January).
I have an idea on the history of West Africa, between Senegal and Congo. Would it be helpful to post this?

[Marimaia]

I'm still about. I've been lurking, awaiting developments.
Thanks for the update. My claim as listed at the beginning of this thread is correct. It is listed as undecided.
I have an idea on the history of West Africa, between Senegal and Congo. Would it be helpful to post this?

Just keep in mind that you'd only be able to apply your idea to a small part of that area, because we wouldn't allow any one player to control all of that territory. Of course, applying the idea would also mean not having your initial claim.

[Esperantujo 2]

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[Marimaia]

I should have made it clear that I wasn't making another claim, just writing a bit of history, to fill in the background for West Africa, in a way that wouldn't preempt any claims.
It concerns the Malian Empire (Mali and Niger) convening a congress in the 18th century, against European slave-raiding.

The problem is that even that little bit could pre-empt a claim in the area. If someone comes along and wants either Mali or Niger, they may not want them to have been an empire earlier in time. Plus it does fly in the face of the AMW policy on non-claimed nations; they are essentially 'here be dragons' or completely unknown. No previous history, no nothing.

It's a nice idea, but it wouldn't really fit.

[Esperantujo 2]

Fair enough, Marimaia. Do I need to delete my posts on this? I will point out that there was a RL Mali Empire, and AMW history of Florida refers transatlantic slave trade.
While I'm waiting for the result of my claim, I think I will work on a factbook anyway.