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[Marimaia]

Oh, the claims in Africa do have a historical basis. (As do the claims in South America, but less so). When the South American Empire started to collapse, Portugal started to focus on its African holdings, and while it had the two aforementioned nation sized holdings, it claimed all of the territory between them. No big deal, but yes, the reason I did bring that claim up was to precipitate some conflict.

But, I think I will drop the the Imperial Portugal Claim, I don't want to make any problems.

I think it would be a little unfair to just plonk down a superpower which flanks Rhodesia, claims to have territorial rights over Rhodesia and has no other targets except Rhodesia.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

Hi, Byzantine Empire here.

I was thinking that if the Trade Federation took away it's claim for the little bit of Iraq and Kuwait that I could incorporate those back into the Byzantine Empire. If that's not ok, I'd like the little bit of Iraq, as that's really a weird sliver of land that's not really a viable claim anyways as it's basically uninhabited.

My idea for this would be that Kuwait would be an Autonomous Territory of the Byzantine Empire and more of a pain to the Byzantines than actually a gain.

Let me explain.

In the 1500s the Area that is now Iraq and Kuwait come under the direct power of the Emperor. Although Iraq is incorporated into Mesopotamia, Kuwait is split off as the Duchy of Kuwait. It has a semi-independent status from the rest of the Empire.

This doesn't really affect anything until the 1740s, where Cristofarians start infiltrating the Empire and start garnering support in Beirut. By 1750 there are one Million Cristofarians in the Levantine, and the situation is desperate enough for there to be active persecution in the official Byzantine Empire.

The Duchy of Kuwait is spared of most of these rules and regulations and as a result Cristofarians create the Cristofarian Church of Kuwait. The Byzantine Emperor in 1755 decided to forcibly remove all Cristofarians in the Empire to Kuwait- They are deported.

Today, this created tensions as Kuwait is a territory with significant minorities of Byzantine Orthodox and it is the second largest Muslim city in the Empire. The Byzantines hold nominal control over the territory, but the territory is two-thirds Cristofarian. The Duke of Kuwait is Byzantine Orthodox, but even his wife is Cristofarian.

There is a large movement for Cristofarian Kuwaiti independence, and even the Court of Kuwait is divided in it's opinions.

(BTW, the RL population of Kuwait is 2,691,158)

[Midlonia]

If given permission I'd like to play a Kuwaiti Emirate. It'd give me a nice different and utterly alternate angle to play, a teeny tiiiny tax haven like country with oil somehow defiant against the massive regional powers around them.

Think Monaco with the black stuff.

[Nilosahara]

Oh, the claims in Africa do have a historical basis. (As do the claims in South America, but less so). When the South American Empire started to collapse, Portugal started to focus on its African holdings, and while it had the two aforementioned nation sized holdings, it claimed all of the territory between them. No big deal, but yes, the reason I did bring that claim up was to precipitate some conflict.

But, I think I will drop the the Imperial Portugal Claim, I don't want to make any problems.

I think it would be a little unfair to just plonk down a superpower which flanks Rhodesia, claims to have territorial rights over Rhodesia and has no other targets except Rhodesia.

If they are Portugesecolonialists Rhodesia may find some unlikely allies!

[Marimaia]

Oh, the claims in Africa do have a historical basis. (As do the claims in South America, but less so). When the South American Empire started to collapse, Portugal started to focus on its African holdings, and while it had the two aforementioned nation sized holdings, it claimed all of the territory between them. No big deal, but yes, the reason I did bring that claim up was to precipitate some conflict.

But, I think I will drop the the Imperial Portugal Claim, I don't want to make any problems.

I think it would be a little unfair to just plonk down a superpower which flanks Rhodesia, claims to have territorial rights over Rhodesia and has no other targets except Rhodesia.

If they are Portugesecolonialists Rhodesia may find some unlikely allies!

They'd claim to have rights over half of Rhodesia. Don't you mean Nilosahara would have unlikely allies?

[Wesleyopia]

Wesleyopia
Player: Wesleyopia
Territory: Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, Delaware

Whenever there was the rush to define borders in the North American continent, I also got Tennesse, N. Carolina, and S. Carolina.

Sorry for the hassle...

[Kievskaya Rus]

On the topic of Quinn's Scandenavia idea. It would really help close up Europe and help to complete that part of the map. It's just not very interesting. I really like the coalition state in south america and yes it's big, but I think that the americas could be more fun if they had a "big bad". If we needed to scale it down (having possibly the largest claim on earth It wouldn't be very fair for me to be against it) then perhaps dropping the southern half of brazil and building a fictional capital where ever it seems best. Perhaps a population of about 120 million? that would put you on par with German/Cassanos and about 1.5x to 2x the size of what most claims seem to be. Seeing as how Q dropped the entire united states and the largest military in the world by about 2 times over, I'm okay to grant him a bigger than usual yet much smaller than the USQ claim.
However, it seem I probably stand as a single voice against many.

[Beddgelert]

I'm against any existing player taking Kuwait, unless they're dropping something significant and committed to the change.

I'm also against any superpower suddenly emerging in any form. Currently Britain and Kyiv may qualify as superpowers, as one has global reach and one has a massive nuclear arsenal, but Britain isn't overwhelmingly strong in any particular theatre, and Kyiv has limited conventional strength against its own neighbours on remote fronts, and little going for it except its nukes.

I'm in favour of Q coming back in some form. To qualify what I said about originality, as it was pretty blunt as given, I just feel that a newbie looking at the world map and what's void would probably come up with a liberal Scandinavian federal democracy, the Portuguese Empire, or a corrupt West African dictatorship, and a Nazi empire in South America is hardly more inspired. And apart from anything else, that makes me think that these may just be the first ideas that popped into your head, Q, when you look at what'd been filled in during your absence, and so I wonder if any of them would really be nations you want to play in the long term. You shouldn't just make a claim of convenience, I think, and then find yourself stuck with a cliché, but know what sort of country you want to play, and then bring that to the map and the community, and try to figure out where it might fit in.

I think. Or something.

[Chrinthanium]

Eh, well, as someone whose claim was considered large prior to all the SE Asian nations dwarfing my claim, I am cool with someone coming in at around 100-120 million people. That's just my opinion on population.

South American is very sparse in claims, and something down there would be a good idea. Not sure what it would be, but its needed.

[Midlonia]

I'm against any existing player taking Kuwait, unless they're dropping something significant and committed to the change.

I meant as a seperate operating entity and claim to spice up the ME and AMW as a whole a bit, not as part of a current claim/established spot.

[Marimaia]

I'm also against any superpower suddenly emerging in any form. Currently Britain and Kyiv may qualify as superpowers, as one has global reach and one has a massive nuclear arsenal, but Britain isn't overwhelmingly strong in any particular theatre, and Kyiv has limited conventional strength against its own neighbours on remote fronts, and little going for it except its nukes.

I'm in favour of Q coming back in some form. To qualify what I said about originality, as it was pretty blunt as given, I just feel that a newbie looking at the world map and what's void would probably come up with a liberal Scandinavian federal democracy, the Portuguese Empire, or a corrupt West African dictatorship, and a Nazi empire in South America is hardly more inspired. And apart from anything else, that makes me think that these may just be the first ideas that popped into your head, Q, when you look at what'd been filled in during your absence, and so I wonder if any of them would really be nations you want to play in the long term. You shouldn't just make a claim of convenience, I think, and then find yourself stuck with a cliché, but know what sort of country you want to play, and then bring that to the map and the community, and try to figure out where it might fit in.

I think. Or something.

Actually you make a lot of sense.

[Cassiopeia Republique]

Hey, if its possible for me to join AMW? I have read the first post but I don't quite understand..

[Somewhereistonia]

Hey, if its possible for me to join AMW? I have read the first post but I don't quite understand..

It is possible to claim any space on the map. Which bits do you need explaining?

[Cassiopeia Republique]

Hey, if its possible for me to join AMW? I have read the first post but I don't quite understand..

It is possible to claim any space on the map. Which bits do you need explaining?

I understand that I can have my own territory on the map but the lower half of the post? Requires me to write a.... ??

[Saxemberg]

Hey, if its possible for me to join AMW? I have read the first post but I don't quite understand..

Since this is your first post, you seem to be very new at this. Generally speaking, we are looking for experienced RPers.

So I suggest you play around a bit with your country as is, in other forums and threads. Then, when you have some more experience, if you still want to join our group, come back and talk to us then.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

Ahh! I posted here this morning!

I said I would switch Kuwait for Cyprus. The history could still work out to be the same, it would fill in an awkward space on the map and it wouldn't add much Population or GDP, yet it would be a lot of fun to have rowdy independist cristofarians in Cyprus. Good RP material.

The GDP of Cyprus is just 20 billion, so it wouldn't even cover the damage done by having attacks and having to station extra police there. There are under a million people there too so it wouldn't add much to my population.

[Cassiopeia Republique]

Hey, if its possible for me to join AMW? I have read the first post but I don't quite understand..

Since this is your first post, you seem to be very new at this. Generally speaking, we are looking for experienced RPers.

So I suggest you play around a bit with your country as is, in other forums and threads. Then, when you have some more experience, if you still want to join our group, come back and talk to us then.

Actually I had been playing this game for quite awhile now. I had been playing at another account, when I was in Korea. But since, I have came back to my own country so I made a new account.

[Somewhereistonia]

Ahh! I posted here this morning!

I said I would switch Kuwait for Cyprus. The history could still work out to be the same, it would fill in an awkward space on the map and it wouldn't add much Population or GDP, yet it would be a lot of fun to have rowdy independist cristofarians in Cyprus. Good RP material.

The GDP of Cyprus is just 20 billion, so it wouldn't even cover the damage done by having attacks and having to station extra police there. There are under a million people there too so it wouldn't add much to my population.

It would make more sense to have Cristofores in Cyprus as a semi-autonomous state. As for Kuwait, with no AOI it is not an awkward space, but a prime port area for a claim that could stretch across your southern border.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

You're right somewhere, it does make a lot more sense for the Semi-Autonomous state to be in Cyprus.

History:


In the 1500s the area that is now the Duchy of Cyprus come under the direct power of the Emperor. It has a semi-independent status from the rest of the Empire.

In the 1740s Cristofarians start infiltrating the Empire and start garnering support in Beirut. By 1750 there are one Million Cristofarians in the Levantine, and the situation is desperate enough for there to be active persecution in the official Byzantine Empire.

The Duchy of Cyprus is spared of most of these rules and regulations and as a result Cristofarians create the Cristofarian Church of Cyprus. At the beginning only about 50,000 Cristofarians leave their houses to move to Cyprus. As a result, in 1755 the Byzantine Government actively removes Cristofarians from Beirut and installs them in Cyprus.

Today, this created tensions as Cyprus is a territory with significant minorities of Byzantine Orthodoxy. The Byzantines hold nominal control over the territory, but the territory is two-thirds Cristofarian. The Duke of Kuwait is Byzantine Orthodox, but even his wife is Cristofarian.

There is a large movement for Cristofarian Cyprus independence, and even the Court of Cyprus is divided in it's opinions. The Court itself is only about one-fourth Cristofarian, which further infuriates the popular opinion of the Cristofarian.

The Movement for a Cristofarian Cyprus is classified as a Terrorist group by the Byzantine Government. For the last 10 years they have gained support and the capital, Nicosia is repeatedly hit by makeshift bombs. The state of the territory today is a fight between the Emperor and the Byzantine Empire and the Cristofarians.

[Saxemberg]

Hey, if its possible for me to join AMW? I have read the first post but I don't quite understand..

Since this is your first post, you seem to be very new at this. Generally speaking, we are looking for experienced RPers.

So I suggest you play around a bit with your country as is, in other forums and threads. Then, when you have some more experience, if you still want to join our group, come back and talk to us then.

Actually I had been playing this game for quite awhile now. I had been playing at another account, when I was in Korea. But since, I have came back to my own country so I made a new account.

Ah, I see. My mistake.

[Quinntonia]

I agree with Kyev that the Scandanavian Confederacy is not terribly interesting, just saw a serious lack of liberal democracies.

I will point out that I am pretty much ready to play out any claim that I finally put forward as my own, I was just thinking that I might want to give the group to see if something fits a particular need.

Oh, and we can stop worrying about the Imperial Portugal claim, I dropped it. Not a big deal. And on that note, I think that i am going to drop the Scandinavian Confederacy claim as well.

So, how about my previous African claim, but dropping Chad, and my Coaltion States claim, but with only Brazil and Panama?

[Marimaia]

I agree with Kyev that the Scandanavian Confederacy is not terribly interesting, just saw a serious lack of liberal democracies.

I will point out that I am pretty much ready to play out any claim that I finally put forward as my own, I was just thinking that I might want to give the group to see if something fits a particular need.

Oh, and we can stop worrying about the Imperial Portugal claim, I dropped it. Not a big deal. And on that note, I think that i am going to drop the Scandinavian Confederacy claim as well.

So, how about my previous African claim, but dropping Chad, and my Coaltion States claim, but with only Brazil and Panama?

With the Coalition States claim, I'm not entirely clear on how they obtained (and held) Panama. What's the situation with the Canal? Do they allow all other nations to use it or do they block access depending on the current diplomatic climate with individual nations?

As far as Africa is concerned, even by dropping Chad you're still the biggest nation in Africa. If you just take Nigeria, as TCB suggested earlier in the thread, you'd still have the largest population, but by a smaller degree (154 million, followed by Nilosahara at 132 million). You'd also have the RL world's 12th largest oil producer, you'd probably hold a higher rank in AMW because not all oil-producing nations are played at the moment.

Going back to the idea of the previous West African claim but minus Chad, why was Sierra Leone conquered but not Ghana, Ivory Coast or Liberia? Remember, if a nation isn't owned, then you can't fly over it or march through it; this would mean that Umbatu shipped his troops by sea to invade Sierra Leone while ignoring the three territories inbetween.

[Somewhereistonia]

With the Coalition States claim, I'm not entirely clear on how they obtained (and held) Panama. What's the situation with the Canal? Do they allow all other nations to use it or do they block access depending on the current diplomatic climate with individual nations?

Is there even a canal? How will/has it competed with Nicaragua. Is it larger than in real life? What are the dates it was built? How was it funded? I've really gone and complicated that one.

Still, Brazil is a very large claim in itself. Claiming a part of Brazil and Panama would have me more at ease. How my history works with this will be interesting to see.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

*Hum* Let me remind everyone:

Does anyone have any objections to have a Cristofarian Duchy of Cyprus?

[Midlonia]

*Hum* Let me remind everyone:

Does anyone have any objections to have a Cristofarian Duchy of Cyprus?

I think it should be played by a different player, one that can give you some actual tension and political intrigue rather than some of your other stuff. [Rolling over to join the Papacy, for example] Otherwise no.