The Monarchist Federation (MT/PMT/PT/OOC-Signups)

[Kingdom of Derita]

I still haven't found a suitable wife for Lord Allan.

But fortunately all my other royals are doing well.

[Aravea]

I still haven't found a suitable wife for Lord Allan.

But fortunately all my other royals are doing well.

Well I have a couple of free unmarried princesses if you want.

[Viridisolum]

That they do what I've suggested to them since it will be the same thing. Only that the viceroy speaks in behalf of the Valaran monarch.

But what about people with no relation to a monarch and don't want a person speaking on behalf of a single monarchy?

If this will make it easier, it can be 2 people- a general protecting the territory and a representitive.

That is the best since the monarch and the viceroy does not have any voice in government but they are there to defend democracy.

The viceroy is chosen by the head of government and must be, in this case, Zunkwentian. He is obliged to act in behalf of the Monarch's interest in right of Zunkwentia: simply said in the Prime Minister's directive and of the constitution. Similar to me.

[Viridisolum]

I suggest, since you were a former colonial possession of Valaran, to make his emperor as your country's ceremonial head of state. He can only be described as the chief of state and nothing further. Similar to Papua New Guinea where they don't refer to Queen Elizabeth II as their monarch but as their chief of state.

I think that could work.

It's better than some foreigner representing an entire alliance's interests and trying to put it all upon you.

[Zunkwentania]

But a viceroy refers to the representative of a monarch in his or her territory. Then wouldn't it be enforcing a de facto head of state upon Chilo and some sort of suzerainty.

No, the Viceroy really only gives the MF's and his opinion on state matters needing the MF's opinion which usually concerns the MF in some way, and tries to ensure that nation doesn't complicate things between the MF and a group or other situation that the MF should be concerned about, to ensure the MF doesn't get into difficult situations as much as possible to ensure the MF's prosperity. While at times his opinion may be ignored and when it happens, the MF will do the best possible course of action. In extreme cases the Vassal state may be invaded and/or kicked out of the MF if it continually puts the MF into difficult situations or it does a move that puts the MF in an extremely difficult position if they do not at the least condemn the nation's actions and stay neutral. The Viceroy's only other ability is to control the military in the nation that the MF sent to aid the nation's national military and protect the nation unless the MF orders him to withdraw from the nation, and the most a Viceroy can have depends on the vassal state, as each is treated individually and wen do our best to procure the best options for both the vassal state and the MF. Usually even if the MF declares war on the nation if they messed up, he is ordered to withdraw so we can show others that the sent military forces will only protect them, and will not be used against them. However, in an extreme case, and I mean like WW2 extreme case(s), it will be used to attack them from the inside to secure a necessary victory, but this approach is avoided as much as possible to make the nations not have to fear the MF's protecting forces and thus never consider the vassal position.


So all in all, the Viceroy only expresses the MF's opinions in a discussion and/or debate and commands the military protecting the vassal state, but withdraws if things go sour, unless it's one of the most extreme cases possible, in which he is forced to attack the nation.


It's not a perfect system, but it's the best possible system, as the MF strides to do the best possible and to be seen as a reliable shield, but knows what to do in a complex situation that includes members and/or vassal states, even if it means betrayal of said nation(s). In such a case, the MF will hold a annual memorial day that is not for each individual nation that the MF was forced to abandon, but one set day as a deep apology, and there will be old symbols of the nations that were taken and then displayed as an apology, or if symbols are insulting to take from them, then we make replicas. It's like Memorial day. Maybe the MF won't do it, but Feng will. It's every January 24th.

No government would ever consent to allowing forces that could potentially turn on them.

[Zunkwentania]

I think that could work.

It's better than some foreigner representing an entire alliance's interests and trying to put it all upon you.

Yeah, but I'm not a member anymore.

[Viridisolum]

It's better than some foreigner representing an entire alliance's interests and trying to put it all upon you.

Yeah, but I'm not a member anymore.

In that case I might follow suit as well.

[Viridisolum]

Look, I get a miliary turning on you sounds bad, which is why it's been planned for it to never happen, unless a case so extreme comes up that has never happened in actual history that it's inevitable.


It has such high standards for a inside-out annihilation that only a scenario so extreme happens, like this: Every strong alliance in NS attacks the MF for that vassal state's choices and will destroy the MF utterly unless they eliminate that nation.



Now that's basically impossible for that to happen.

Most times (Like one million out of one million and one) the MF withdraws it's forces and only invades if the nation declares war on the entire MF.

The MF will withdraw it's protection forces and not invade unless the nation declares war on the MF.

If the nation however declares war when the forces are still based inside, then they have permission to tear it up, but their priority is to escape and only destroy what is necessary to escape.


So I promise that there is almost no chance of the forces attacking you when they're inside you, unless you make the first strike, in which they can fight in self-defense.


Is that reasonable?

Regardless of what it may be interfering in one's sovereignty by imposing an office of the highest authority under the influence of a country or an alliance is absolutely ridiculous.

[Elesar]

Look, I get a miliary turning on you sounds bad, which is why it's been planned for it to never happen, unless a case so extreme comes up that has never happened in actual history that it's inevitable.


It has such high standards for a inside-out annihilation that only a scenario so extreme happens, like this: Every strong alliance in NS attacks the MF for that vassal state's choices and will destroy the MF utterly unless they eliminate that nation.



Now that's basically impossible for that to happen.

Most times (Like one million out of one million and one) the MF withdraws it's forces and only invades if the nation declares war on the entire MF.

The MF will withdraw it's protection forces and not invade unless the nation declares war on the MF.

If the nation however declares war when the forces are still based inside, then they have permission to tear it up, but their priority is to escape and only destroy what is necessary to escape.


So I promise that there is almost no chance of the forces attacking you when they're inside you, unless you make the first strike, in which they can fight in self-defense.


Is that reasonable?

Regardless of what it may be interfering in one's sovereignty by imposing an office of the highest authority under the influence of a country or an alliance is absolutely ridiculous.

These things can be changed, of course. I for one oppose the rule for the exact same reason as you. As GC I can have it changed.

[Polonge]

Regardless of what it may be interfering in one's sovereignty by imposing an office of the highest authority under the influence of a country or an alliance is absolutely ridiculous.

These things can be changed, of course. I for one oppose the rule for the exact same reason as you. As GC I can have it changed.

So does the GC just have total control?

[Elesar]

These things can be changed, of course. I for one oppose the rule for the exact same reason as you. As GC I can have it changed.

So does the GC just have total control?

No. The GC has a lot of control, but he's kept in check by the Council.

[Polonge]

So does the GC just have total control?

No. The GC has a lot of control, but he's kept in check by the Council.

Oh, i just thought that cause you came in like an eagle and was all, "But i can change everything about that if i want to.' and i was like "Cool, i want to become GC." but still pretty cool.

[Valaran]

hello everyone

[Valaran]

hello everyone

*stabstabstab*

I do so very much love these kinds of greetings

Congratulations on Elesar for winning the election

[Elesar]

hello everyone

*stabstabstab*

Deian, no. We're not getting the mods on us again. Once was enough. Keep it MF related.

*stabstabstab*

I do so very much love these kinds of greetings

Congratulations on Elesar for winning the election

And thank you Valaran.

[Zunkwentania]

Look, I get a miliary turning on you sounds bad, which is why it's been planned for it to never happen, unless a case so extreme comes up that has never happened in actual history that it's inevitable.


It has such high standards for a inside-out annihilation that only a scenario so extreme happens, like this: Every strong alliance in NS attacks the MF for that vassal state's choices and will destroy the MF utterly unless they eliminate that nation.



Now that's basically impossible for that to happen.

Most times (Like one million out of one million and one) the MF withdraws it's forces and only invades if the nation declares war on the entire MF.

The MF will withdraw it's protection forces and not invade unless the nation declares war on the MF.

If the nation however declares war when the forces are still based inside, then they have permission to tear it up, but their priority is to escape and only destroy what is necessary to escape.


So I promise that there is almost no chance of the forces attacking you when they're inside you, unless you make the first strike, in which they can fight in self-defense.


Is that reasonable?

Doesn't matter. It's still an invasion of sovereignty, and one no nation at all would take. And why the fuck would you need a military to protect a pretty strong nation? It sounds like an excuse to gather intel.

[Polonge]

Snip

These things can be changed, of course. I for one oppose the rule for the exact same reason as you. As GC I can have it changed.

If it will satisfy people, then I will not be a nuisance and annoy people by arguing and saying "I object", et cetera, if it's changed.

If people disagree with it, then I'll happily be flexible and not stubbornly hold onto my system to the core.


But I must tell you these two points are crucial in my opinion to it's function:

-Needs to be a representative informing leaders of the MF's desires in a situation that could drastically affect the MF and tries to satisfy both parties by offering compromises.

-An army that defends said vassal state (Well duh).



Also Elesar, you don't have complete dictatorial power over changes.

If you were to change it, it needs to be approved by the Council and the other MF members.



You don't hold absolute power.


It's not that I don't trust you, it's so we prevent a dictator in the future and we need it to be enforced on all Chancellors to make it fair.[/quote]

So the GC is like a president, balanced out by a Council, not as cool as a all power dictator, but understandable and cool.

[Valaran]

And thank you Valaran.

No problem

By the way, where is the MF charter?

[Elesar]

Look, I get a miliary turning on you sounds bad, which is why it's been planned for it to never happen, unless a case so extreme comes up that has never happened in actual history that it's inevitable.


It has such high standards for a inside-out annihilation that only a scenario so extreme happens, like this: Every strong alliance in NS attacks the MF for that vassal state's choices and will destroy the MF utterly unless they eliminate that nation.



Now that's basically impossible for that to happen.

Most times (Like one million out of one million and one) the MF withdraws it's forces and only invades if the nation declares war on the entire MF.

The MF will withdraw it's protection forces and not invade unless the nation declares war on the MF.

If the nation however declares war when the forces are still based inside, then they have permission to tear it up, but their priority is to escape and only destroy what is necessary to escape.


So I promise that there is almost no chance of the forces attacking you when they're inside you, unless you make the first strike, in which they can fight in self-defense.


Is that reasonable?

Doesn't matter. It's still an invasion of sovereignty, and one no nation at all would take. And why the fuck would you need a military to protect a pretty strong nation? It sounds like an excuse to gather intel.

I completely agree with you. The Federation doesn't force itself on its member states; why should it force itself on its vassals? Deian, you're making decisions that're based on things that haven't happened before, and hopefully never will. Remember again that you aren't in charge anymore. You started this Federation, true, but now I lead it. At least try to act professional.

[Polonge]

Doesn't matter. It's still an invasion of sovereignty, and one no nation at all would take. And why the fuck would you need a military to protect a pretty strong nation? It sounds like an excuse to gather intel.

I completely agree with you. The Federation doesn't force itself on its member states; why should it force itself on its vassals? Deian, you're making decisions that're based on things that haven't happened before, and hopefully never will. Remember again that you aren't in charge anymore. You started this Federation, true, but now I lead it. At least try to act professional.

lol.

But in all seriousness, I don't see what the issue is. It makes since not to allow innocent lives of the MF to risk destruction.

[Zunkwentania]

I completely agree with you. The Federation doesn't force itself on its member states; why should it force itself on its vassals? Deian, you're making decisions that're based on things that haven't happened before, and hopefully never will. Remember again that you aren't in charge anymore. You started this Federation, true, but now I lead it. At least try to act professional.

lol.

But in all seriousness, I don't see what the issue is. It makes since not to allow innocent lives of the MF to risk destruction.

It's an invasion on sovereignty, it's as simple as that. No nation would agree to that. And what are the armies for? To any leader who's not a gullible fool, they would seem like intelligence collecting forces for the Feng Empire. Raw imperialism masquerading as international cooperation.

[Valaran]

Raw imperialism masquerading as international cooperation.

Personally, I just prefer the Imperialism

[Valaran]

Hey, can you go to TG's?

Did I send one?

[Polonge]

lol.

But in all seriousness, I don't see what the issue is. It makes since not to allow innocent lives of the MF to risk destruction.

It's an invasion on sovereignty, it's as simple as that. No nation would agree to that. And what are the armies for? To any leader who's not a gullible fool, they would seem like intelligence collecting forces for the Feng Empire. Raw imperialism masquerading as international cooperation.

No, I was under the impression the forces would be of thew MF, not just Deian. And to be rational they would be lead by the native armed forces. It in no way distrubs sovereignty, as the armed forces of the MF would be in one location under watch by the locals.

[Kingdom of Derita]

Raw imperialism masquerading as international cooperation.

Personally, I just prefer the Imperialism

As do I, when I am the Imperial of course.