The Monarchist Federation (MT/PMT/PT/OOC-Signups)

[Irav]

Nobody does not need to be a vassal. Anyways, we should not allow republics in the first place.

I was a republic for most of my time within the Monarchist Federation, it changed to the Iravian Mercantile Empire only 11-ish hours ago.

[Viridisolum]

Nobody does not need to be a vassal. Anyways, we should not allow republics in the first place.

I was a republic for most of my time within the Monarchist Federation, it changed to the Iravian Mercantile Empire only 11-ish hours ago.

Those who are currently republics and are a member of this organization must make compromise before the situation sparks into a fire.

[Slavsnik]

For the record, anyone who wants to keep their freedoms can apply to be a vassal to me, since I tend to already be a pro national sovereignty nation, and therefore would exercise the right to let vassal nations choose whether or not they even want my monarch as a figurehead, or any other outside intervention into their politics, culture, economics, etc. for that matter.

Nobody does not need to be a vassal. Anyways, we should not allow republics in the first place.

Alright, so I've read and for more than 3 pages in a night, you've all only been debating about one single problem (And one that could've been avoided easily)

First off, I slightly agree with Viridisolum in that Republics should not be allowed full membership, however, if it wants to become an observer, the more the merrier. Imposing that if republics may enter with the condition of becoming a vassal state, no matter what the actual circumstances are, you are still labelled as a "Vassal State" just because they want to join is completely stepping on one's national pride.

Now, I don't know about any prior agreements to the MF, however, I fully oppose the idea of Vassalage towards the federation. A vassalage or client state should be an agreement between 2 nations, not something regulated by the federation, and also, yes, I agree that the appearance of any foreign force unasked for is like a spit to the face.

So what I'm trying to say is, about republics and other kinds, they should just be observers or allies to the federation, but not full members, after all it's called the Monarchy Federation for a reason.

[Irav]

Those who are currently republics and are a member of this organization must make compromise before the situation sparks into a fire.

Being a republic doesn't kill anyone really, and I was awarded a special status by Deian for no real reason as far as I know. But really if no one makes a huge deal out of this republic thing nothing would go wrong.

[Viridisolum]

Nobody does not need to be a vassal. Anyways, we should not allow republics in the first place.

Alright, so I've read and for more than 3 pages in a night, you've all only been debating about one single problem (And one that could've been avoided easily)

First off, I slightly agree with Viridisolum in that Republics should not be allowed full membership, however, if it wants to become an observer, the more the merrier. Imposing that if republics may enter with the condition of becoming a vassal state, no matter what the actual circumstances are, you are still labelled as a "Vassal State" just because they want to join is completely stepping on one's national pride.

Now, I don't know about any prior agreements to the MF, however, I fully oppose the idea of Vassalage towards the federation. A vassalage or client state should be an agreement between 2 nations, not something regulated by the federation, and also, yes, I agree that the appearance of any foreign force unasked for is like a spit to the face.

So what I'm trying to say is, about republics and other kinds, they should just be observers or allies to the federation, but not full members, after all it's called the Monarchy Federation for a reason.

I'm not even aware of these changes. This should've been discussed between members of the alliance, especially those that are not monarchies of any sort. Instead it was made behind our backs and then this happened.

[Slavsnik]

I'm not even aware of these changes. This should've been discussed between members of the alliance, especially those that are not monarchies of any sort. Instead it was made behind our backs and then this happened.

Well that doesn't seem legal now, does it? Although, I'm just a regular member ( A commoner in terms of Practical Hierarchy) I think that shouldn't be allowed. However, it is clear now that Elesar is the General Commander, I'll just generally get behind him in most cases. Though on Stormwrath's case, I agree, we should be more like the HRE in terms of governments except for the "Emperor" part which the people of Slavsnik are touchy about having an emperor over them no matter what his authority is.

Anyways, cheers, and hopefully this little problem would be ended swiftly.

[Elesar]

Regardless of policies made before my appointment as Grand Chancellor, the charter is now the law of the Federation. I refuse to be a figurehead while Deian calls the shots based on rules I never knew about. I wrote the original draft of the constitution, and as Grand Chancellor should be informed of any special little "rules" made before my appointment. As previously stated, I'm not going to be a figurehead. This Federation needs a strong, mature leadership that in my opinion, Deian can't provide. I don't feel anything negative towards Deian, keep in mind. I simply feel that his leadership abilities are not up to the standard we require.

[Valaran]

No problem

By the way, where is the MF charter?

In my Google Docs.

To clear things up, we should be like a Holy Roman Empire, not like a United States of America. It's because there are some members that do not want their sovereignty violated. This is why I raised an eyebrow over the vassal state idea, because by definition a vassal is a subordinate of a certain entity, in this case the MF.

Could I have a link to that, if its ok?

[The Royally United Provinces]

When I get home I will call an open debate and a closed one over topics discussed.

[Valaran]

When I get home I will call an open debate and a closed one over topics discussed.

Thanks. Let's just get this sorted.

[Valaran]

If I hurt, offended, or angered anyone, then it is completely my fault and I will take all responsibility. I never intended to be dictator or tyrannical or make people feel like they have puppet leaders, and I only wanted a way so some non-Monarchies could join with just fewer privileges so the MF would stay Monarchist yet be a melting pot, as intended in the earlier days.

I assume there need to be repercussions for my actions? If so, then I'll gladly do it as payment for the trouble I've caused.

Not a problem.


I doubt it.

[Elesar]

Not a problem.


I doubt it.

But i do this so often it hurts my rep and the MF's.

And I'm sick of it.

Maybe repercussions would also satisfy everyone and also get my stupidity to stop?

To be honest, I feel like repercussions would be too much here. All I'd like to see is you not acting like you're in full control. Honestly Deian, I like you. You just don't seem to have realized you aren't 100% in command now. It's a shared thing between myself and the council now.

[The Royally United Provinces]

The Chancellor is pretty much a councilor that doesn't have admin powers. Peoples representative

[Stormwrath]

In my Google Docs.

To clear things up, we should be like a Holy Roman Empire, not like a United States of America. It's because there are some members that do not want their sovereignty violated. This is why I raised an eyebrow over the vassal state idea, because by definition a vassal is a subordinate of a certain entity, in this case the MF.

Could I have a link to that, if its ok?

TG me your email so I can send it to you.

[Novo Wagondia]

Amid all this debate on whether to focus on national sovereignty or a substantial central government, I'd like to ask what the extent of our government is right now. Which services do we offer, exactly? Because at the moment I feel as though there isn't much power vested in the leadership at all (as in, there aren't, to my knowledge, any central organs, legislative/executive bodies, or bureaus)

[Valaran]

Could I have a link to that, if its ok?

TG me your email so I can send it to you.

Isn't there any other way to do this?

[Stormwrath]

TG me your email so I can send it to you.

Isn't there any other way to do this?

No, it's on Google Docs.

[Valaran]

Isn't there any other way to do this?

No, it's on Google Docs.

Normally, I've found just sending a link to the document works as well.

[Stormwrath]

No, it's on Google Docs.

Normally, I've found just sending a link to the document works as well.

Ah, hold on while I do that.

[New Chilokver]

No thank you.

You should retract your application since this matter has gone too far however you could have the Valaran Emperor as your chief of state but will not be legally defined as a "monarch" but a head of state. Nothing but a figurehead that does not speak or attain any sort of power.

I was applying for observer membership only...

[Viridisolum]

You should retract your application since this matter has gone too far however you could have the Valaran Emperor as your chief of state but will not be legally defined as a "monarch" but a head of state. Nothing but a figurehead that does not speak or attain any sort of power.

I was applying for observer membership only...

Better then. So that the problem can be discussed thoroughly without anybody being affected.

[The Royally United Provinces]

Hey. Back off. It's not your problem so let us handle it. Our deal. Don't take it into your own handsz you aren't under the authority to do so.

Chilokver, I will talk to you and some admins later. I never truly agreed with the monarchies only rule.

As a GENERAL WARNING to our members, do not attempt to or succeed in trying to take over a Councilors situation. In this case VISEROLIUM seems to have just tried to tell my friend here to get rid of the app. He has no authority and I wish to make it clear; MEMBERS CAN NOT INTERFERE WITH APPS UNLESS THEY ARE GIVING ADVICE TO COUNCILORS. Be warned.

[Viridisolum]

Hey. Back off. It's not your problem so let us handle it. Our deal. Don't take it into your own handsz you aren't under the authority to do so.

Chilokver, I will talk to you and some admins later. I never truly agreed with the monarchies only rule.

As a GENERAL WARNING to our members, do not attempt to or succeed in trying to take over a Councilors situation. In this case VISEROLIUM seems to have just tried to tell my friend here to get rid of the app. He has no authority and I wish to make it clear; MEMBERS CAN NOT INTERFERE WITH APPS UNLESS THEY ARE GIVING ADVICE TO COUNCILORS. Be warned.

As a friend as well to him I simply advised. But I would never do so.

How could I even intervene when I'm nothing but a trial member. My voice is nonsense.

[The Royally United Provinces]

Trying to tell him to go away. Title means nothing. Interfering with te application process. As in telling him to retract him app

[Silla Puja]

Tagging for interest.