International Congress of Nations (I.C.O.N)-CLOSED-

[New Carloso]

hai guises. imma back

[Legendardisch]

G.M.A

Nation Name: The United Kingdom of Legendardisch
Nation Link: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=legendardisch http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Legendardisch
View on Civil Rights: Legendardisch believe that the people must make their own choice and should receive as much freedom as possible while still holding the law up, and, ofcourse the ability for a constitutional government to help and interveine where must.
View of Political Freedoms: Political freedoms must be limited as corruption could slip in easily, but, we should not limit it mostly, anyone is able to vote for the tweede kamer, and therefor their prime minister, they can vote on referendums, choice their new governors and mayor. and anyone is allowed to start their own political party or join one
View on Economics: Legendardisch believes in a free market, while still protecting itself. It's therefor that the Legendardian Economy is arguably one of the strongest.
Name of Delegate: Sem Aerssens
National Head of State: King Nikolas Van Wegberg
National Head of Government: Prime Minister Rinaldo Bijker

By submitting this application I, the undersigned, do understand the full rights, privileges, duties, and responsibilities associated to the membership for which I am applying, and do solemnly swear to carry out those duties and responsibilities to the best of my abilities. I also swear, to follow the laws made by the Congress associated with this organization in all things involving my nation and government, should those laws apply.


Sign.

_____10 November 2014_________
Date.

[Elemental North]

Some of the stuff we decided on while we were... out, was to abolish the position of Executive President and replace it with a high council (Furry, Chilo, Zunk, EN, Libraria, Der Fabmeister, and I) with basically the same function, headed by EN, of course. EN, your thoughts?

Oligarchy or Presidential Tyranny, not two great choices, if I were to be honest. The issue here is, just as it is/was in the I.F.C, is that people do not feel included in our government. That's mostly why I've attempted to expand parts of Cabinet and my staff, to give everyone who had the talent the option, and the opportunity to show it. However, it appears as if, in the I.F.C at least, it was said that the organization would turn into a grey governmental mass, if I continued to suck everyone who had talent into the government, which would've been alot of you. I would do the same in I.C.O.N, but then we'd have a lot of titles, and not alot of doers. So alas, I am left with the idea of elections, which work-mostly, in the I.F.C, but not as much, or at all, in the I.C.O.N, so that idea goes up in smoke as well.

Thus we are left with a rather tough decision. I'm imagining me falling into a more Brat/Secretary-General type roll. Where I am the top administrator, but allow others to drive the organization, with a set structure, to wherever it is they imagine they want it to go.

But that also begs the question of, no offense, are you all capable of it? I know who I am dealing with, and our leaders in I.C.O.N tend to have a rather, bicker-stick stance bent into them. Or they lack the self confidence to come forward with their ideas.

I think it's really something we should talk about on the I.C.O.N thread however, since we cannot fault S.A.C.T.O and the U.L for seizing the thread with unrelated business, if we are going to do the same.

So off to the I.C.O.N thread, away!!!

[Zunkwentania]

Some of the stuff we decided on while we were... out, was to abolish the position of Executive President and replace it with a high council (Furry, Chilo, Zunk, EN, Libraria, Der Fabmeister, and I) with basically the same function, headed by EN, of course. EN, your thoughts?

Oligarchy or Presidential Tyranny, not two great choices, if I were to be honest. The issue here is, just as it is/was in the I.F.C, is that people do not feel included in our government. That's mostly why I've attempted to expand parts of Cabinet and my staff, to give everyone who had the talent the option, and the opportunity to show it. However, it appears as if, in the I.F.C at least, it was said that the organization would turn into a grey governmental mass, if I continued to suck everyone who had talent into the government, which would've been alot of you. I would do the same in I.C.O.N, but then we'd have a lot of titles, and not alot of doers. So alas, I am left with the idea of elections, which work-mostly, in the I.F.C, but not as much, or at all, in the I.C.O.N, so that idea goes up in smoke as well.

Thus we are left with a rather tough decision. I'm imagining me falling into a more Brat/Secretary-General type roll. Where I am the top administrator, but allow others to drive the organization, with a set structure, to wherever it is they imagine they want it to go.

But that also begs the question of, no offense, are you all capable of it? I know who I am dealing with, and our leaders in I.C.O.N tend to have a rather, bicker-stick stance bent into them. Or they lack the self confidence to come forward with their ideas.

I think it's really something we should talk about on the I.C.O.N thread however, since we cannot fault S.A.C.T.O and the U.L for seizing the thread with unrelated business, if we are going to do the same.

So off to the I.C.O.N thread, away!!!

We are on the ICoN thread...
Anyway, your decision on our investments?

[Elemental North]

Oligarchy or Presidential Tyranny, not two great choices, if I were to be honest. The issue here is, just as it is/was in the I.F.C, is that people do not feel included in our government. That's mostly why I've attempted to expand parts of Cabinet and my staff, to give everyone who had the talent the option, and the opportunity to show it. However, it appears as if, in the I.F.C at least, it was said that the organization would turn into a grey governmental mass, if I continued to suck everyone who had talent into the government, which would've been alot of you. I would do the same in I.C.O.N, but then we'd have a lot of titles, and not alot of doers. So alas, I am left with the idea of elections, which work-mostly, in the I.F.C, but not as much, or at all, in the I.C.O.N, so that idea goes up in smoke as well.

Thus we are left with a rather tough decision. I'm imagining me falling into a more Brat/Secretary-General type roll. Where I am the top administrator, but allow others to drive the organization, with a set structure, to wherever it is they imagine they want it to go.

But that also begs the question of, no offense, are you all capable of it? I know who I am dealing with, and our leaders in I.C.O.N tend to have a rather, bicker-stick stance bent into them. Or they lack the self confidence to come forward with their ideas.

I think it's really something we should talk about on the I.C.O.N thread however, since we cannot fault S.A.C.T.O and the U.L for seizing the thread with unrelated business, if we are going to do the same.

So off to the I.C.O.N thread, away!!!

We are on the ICoN thread...
Anyway, your decision on our investments?

I'm officially out of my mind.

And with the Prestorian Group? That is still very much a thing.

[Zunkwentania]

We are on the ICoN thread...
Anyway, your decision on our investments?

I'm officially out of my mind.

And with the Prestorian Group? That is still very much a thing.

No, when we tried to reboot this, we invested billions in TCD, VMK, and BoY, so are they retconned, or what?

[Dragomerian Islands]

We are on the ICoN thread...
Anyway, your decision on our investments?

I'm officially out of my mind.

And with the Prestorian Group? That is still very much a thing.

How much? I would like to buy the Prestorian Group.

[Valdiu]

Of course, a central tenet of the council was that by consensus or at least 7/8 majority in the Congress, and by appointment and acceptance by the upper council, members can be added or removed.

[Zunkwentania]

I'm officially out of my mind.

And with the Prestorian Group? That is still very much a thing.

How much? I would like to buy the Prestorian Group.

You certainly mean Prestorian Bank? You can't buy an entire banking coalition.

[Dragomerian Islands]

How much? I would like to buy the Prestorian Group.

You certainly mean Prestorian Bank? You can't buy an entire banking coalition.

I mean the Group. I think that 51% ownership would be enough.

[Zunkwentania]

You certainly mean Prestorian Bank? You can't buy an entire banking coalition.

I mean the Group. I think that 51% ownership would be enough.

That would mean 65% of the group isn't owned by EN

[Dragomerian Islands]

I mean the Group. I think that 51% ownership would be enough.

That would mean 65% of the group isn't owned by EN

Don't worry, the new owner (Dragon Megacorporation) shall take great care of it.

[Zunkwentania]

That would mean 65% of the group isn't owned by EN

Don't worry, the new owner (Dragon Megacorporation) shall take great care of it.

Anyway, that is an enormous amount of money. 100 billion only got me around 10%, so it would cost you NS$510 billion.

[Elemental North]

I'm officially out of my mind.

And with the Prestorian Group? That is still very much a thing.

No, when we tried to reboot this, we invested billions in TCD, VMK, and BoY, so are they retconned, or what?

Why on Earth? Well, I wasn't part of it then. That was billions of dollars of your own money. If you remember, when I left, I took the treasury with me. I used quite a large some of it, to start the Prestorian Group, and no Drago, you aren't buying it. But we still have over 800 billion dollars left. So we aren't broke by any stretch, and we can keep the investments. Though what is the TCD and the VMK?

[Dragomerian Islands]

Don't worry, the new owner (Dragon Megacorporation) shall take great care of it.

Anyway, that is an enormous amount of money. 100 billion only got me around 10%, so it would cost you NS$510 billion.

NS$510 billion? That's it? I could afford that.

[Elemental North]

Don't worry, the new owner (Dragon Megacorporation) shall take great care of it.

Anyway, that is an enormous amount of money. 100 billion only got me around 10%, so it would cost you NS$510 billion.

Yeah, you can always buy stock Drago!

And, you bought that much because you wanted to be an officer of the Board Zunk. Haha.

[Elemental North]

Anyway, that is an enormous amount of money. 100 billion only got me around 10%, so it would cost you NS$510 billion.

NS$510 billion? That's it? I could afford that.

Where would you get the money?

[New Carloso]

NS$510 billion? That's it? I could afford that.

Where would you get the money?

Indeed. I recall the Dragonmerian Islands only having a GDP of 2 trillion.

[Dragomerian Islands]

NS$510 billion? That's it? I could afford that.

Where would you get the money?

Dragon Megacorporation makes up the 2/3 of the GDP that my government does not. It has massive reserves. Also, the King's brother is its President.

[Zunkwentania]

No, when we tried to reboot this, we invested billions in TCD, VMK, and BoY, so are they retconned, or what?

Why on Earth? Well, I wasn't part of it then. That was billions of dollars of your own money. If you remember, when I left, I took the treasury with me. I used quite a large some of it, to start the Prestorian Group, and no Drago, you aren't buying it. But we still have over 800 billion dollars left. So we aren't broke by any stretch, and we can keep the investments. Though what is the TCD and the VMK?

We used some of the 800 billion on investments. TCD is Trelatche Computing Development and VMK is Yohannes' arms company.

[Elemental North]

Where would you get the money?

Indeed. I recall the Dragonmerian Islands only having a GDP of 2 trillion.

You're going to use over 25.5 percent of your national GDP to buy stock?!

[Elemental North]

Why on Earth? Well, I wasn't part of it then. That was billions of dollars of your own money. If you remember, when I left, I took the treasury with me. I used quite a large some of it, to start the Prestorian Group, and no Drago, you aren't buying it. But we still have over 800 billion dollars left. So we aren't broke by any stretch, and we can keep the investments. Though what is the TCD and the VMK?

We used some of the 800 billion on investments. TCD is Trelatche Computing Development and VMK is Yohannes' arms company.

Nein.

I took all 1.5 trillion dollars of the treasury with me. What I brought back, when we restarted was 885 billion

[Dragomerian Islands]

Indeed. I recall the Dragonmerian Islands only having a GDP of 2 trillion.

You're going to use over 25.5 percent of your national GDP to buy stock?!

My nation's GDP is actually NS$6 trillion. Also, it has been a while since I updated it (Dragon Megacorporation was not around or in concept when I last edited it.

[Valdiu]

Hey Dragomere, how do you add more vertical lines to your table?

[Elemental North]

You're going to use over 25.5 percent of your national GDP to buy stock?!

My nation's GDP is actually NS$6 trillion. Also, it has been a while since I updated it (Dragon Megacorporation was not around or in concept when I last edited it.

Oh so it knocks it down to a whole 15 percent. Yay! Still not feasible in my ethics department, I wouldn't feel right completing the transaction.