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[The Nation of Ceneria]

True. Jail could be an interesting development, especially with exchange students.

I'm sure my students won't be involved in that...it's not like I'm ranked in the top 10% of the world for most rebellious teens or anything...

How would illegal activity be handled, in all seriousness? The students are supposed to be treated as citizens, but they're also supposed to be protected. And nations might not like their kids being jailed by other nations.

Well, as citizens, the students would be subject to any laws of the nation they are in. But, they are also not real citizens of the nation. For diciplinary measures, the student would probably be shipped home, and them deal with the concequences as if he/she had committed the offense in his/her home nation.

[Nerotysia]

I'm sure my students won't be involved in that...it's not like I'm ranked in the top 10% of the world for most rebellious teens or anything...

How would illegal activity be handled, in all seriousness? The students are supposed to be treated as citizens, but they're also supposed to be protected. And nations might not like their kids being jailed by other nations.

Well, as citizens, the students would be subject to any laws of the nation they are in. But, they are also not real citizens of the nation. For diciplinary measures, the student would probably be shipped home, and them deal with the concequences as if he/she had committed the offense in his/her home nation.

But certain activities that are illegal in the host nation may not be illegal in the student's homeland.

[The Nation of Ceneria]

Well, as citizens, the students would be subject to any laws of the nation they are in. But, they are also not real citizens of the nation. For diciplinary measures, the student would probably be shipped home, and them deal with the concequences as if he/she had committed the offense in his/her home nation.

But certain activities that are illegal in the host nation may not be illegal in the student's homeland.

True. Only time will tell. . . .

New poll up, folks. Vote for the tech level of the RP, please!

[Nerotysia]

So, how do you guys imagine the cultural showcase would work?

[The Nation of Ceneria]

So, how do you guys imagine the cultural showcase would work?

"I sense a vote coming on. . . Heh heh heh."

Serious: I'm not quite sure. Possibly a presentation of culture, etc.

I will likely not be on tomorrow, as it is my first day of school. Have a good discussion while I am gone!

[Western European Republic]

I'd like to be a host nation.

[The Nation of Ceneria]

I'd like to be a host nation.

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[Nerotysia]

So, how do you guys imagine the cultural showcase would work?

"I sense a vote coming on. . . Heh heh heh."

Serious: I'm not quite sure. Possibly a presentation of culture, etc.

I will likely not be on tomorrow, as it is my first day of school. Have a good discussion while I am gone!

How would it happen, though? Like, physically. Concretely. Would our students make power points or something?

It might be fun (ie. deliciously awkward) to have our students just mill around in some conference hall when they're supposed to be sharing culture and whatnot.

[The Nation of Ceneria]

"I sense a vote coming on. . . Heh heh heh."

Serious: I'm not quite sure. Possibly a presentation of culture, etc.

I will likely not be on tomorrow, as it is my first day of school. Have a good discussion while I am gone!

How would it happen, though? Like, physically. Concretely. Would our students make power points or something?

It might be fun (ie. deliciously awkward) to have our students just mill around in some conference hall when they're supposed to be sharing culture and whatnot.

Yeah. I was thinking a big presentation board and a paper, the whole kit and kabang. Or milling around in a conference hall. . .

[The Nation of Ceneria]

Going to sleep now. Sorry to leave you hanging there.

[Nerotysia]

How would it happen, though? Like, physically. Concretely. Would our students make power points or something?

It might be fun (ie. deliciously awkward) to have our students just mill around in some conference hall when they're supposed to be sharing culture and whatnot.

Yeah. I was thinking a big presentation board and a paper, the whole kit and kabang. Or milling around in a conference hall. . .

Hrm...it could work, the presentation thing. We could do both, a presentation and then a "social time" in a conference hall.

[Nerotysia]

Going to sleep now. Sorry to leave you hanging there.

Das fine. Adieu!

[Santa Agua]

In regards to students and laws, the requirements state only that: Applying nations agree to treat exchange students as citizens for the duration of their stay. Applying nations must agree to not mistreat or threaten exchange students in any way.

As long as you don't have forced labor camps, prison or police station cells are not mistreating nor threatening. While I can imagine that students might be given a warning for something that's just 'kids being kids' or for something that's only illegal in the host nation (think of smoking being illegal, for example), the requirements state nowhere that students should be treated as nothing more than regular citizens, with all rights and responsibilities included in that.

[Ardoki]

In regards to students and laws, the requirements state only that: Applying nations agree to treat exchange students as citizens for the duration of their stay. Applying nations must agree to not mistreat or threaten exchange students in any way.

As long as you don't have forced labor camps, prison or police station cells are not mistreating nor threatening. While I can imagine that students might be given a warning for something that's just 'kids being kids' or for something that's only illegal in the host nation (think of smoking being illegal, for example), the requirements state nowhere that students should be treated as nothing more than regular citizens, with all rights and responsibilities included in that.

I don't want foreign exchange students voting in our elections, running for office, joining the military of Ministry of State Security, being granted Ardokian passports, etc.

[Nerotysia]

In regards to students and laws, the requirements state only that: Applying nations agree to treat exchange students as citizens for the duration of their stay. Applying nations must agree to not mistreat or threaten exchange students in any way.

As long as you don't have forced labor camps, prison or police station cells are not mistreating nor threatening. While I can imagine that students might be given a warning for something that's just 'kids being kids' or for something that's only illegal in the host nation (think of smoking being illegal, for example), the requirements state nowhere that students should be treated as nothing more than regular citizens, with all rights and responsibilities included in that.

Indeed, but I can imagine some problems arising if, say, a student is warned or punished for something that is not illegal in their homeland.

[Santa Agua]

In regards to students and laws, the requirements state only that: Applying nations agree to treat exchange students as citizens for the duration of their stay. Applying nations must agree to not mistreat or threaten exchange students in any way.

As long as you don't have forced labor camps, prison or police station cells are not mistreating nor threatening. While I can imagine that students might be given a warning for something that's just 'kids being kids' or for something that's only illegal in the host nation (think of smoking being illegal, for example), the requirements state nowhere that students should be treated as nothing more than regular citizens, with all rights and responsibilities included in that.

I don't want foreign exchange students voting in our elections, running for office, joining the military of Ministry of State Security, being granted Ardokian passports, etc.

That's obviously different from applying the law on the students. Seeing as they'd probably be high schoolers, most of these things wouldn't be possible due to their age either way. Other than that, the fact is that they wouldn't have social security numbers or the thing closest to that in your nation so they won't be able to get a passport anyway.

[Santa Agua]

In regards to students and laws, the requirements state only that: Applying nations agree to treat exchange students as citizens for the duration of their stay. Applying nations must agree to not mistreat or threaten exchange students in any way.

As long as you don't have forced labor camps, prison or police station cells are not mistreating nor threatening. While I can imagine that students might be given a warning for something that's just 'kids being kids' or for something that's only illegal in the host nation (think of smoking being illegal, for example), the requirements state nowhere that students should be treated as nothing more than regular citizens, with all rights and responsibilities included in that.

Indeed, but I can imagine some problems arising if, say, a student is warned or punished for something that is not illegal in their homeland.

As they are staying in a different nation, it wouldn't give problems. Tourists can get arrested/warned/punished for things that aren't illegal in their home nation as well.

[Nerotysia]

Indeed, but I can imagine some problems arising if, say, a student is warned or punished for something that is not illegal in their homeland.

As they are staying in a different nation, it wouldn't give problems. Tourists can get arrested/warned/punished for things that aren't illegal in their home nation as well.

Indeed, but the home nation may not like that and they could claim the host is failing to protect their students as required.

[Ardoki]

I don't want foreign exchange students voting in our elections, running for office, joining the military of Ministry of State Security, being granted Ardokian passports, etc.

That's obviously different from applying the law on the students. Seeing as they'd probably be high schoolers, most of these things wouldn't be possible due to their age either way. Other than that, the fact is that they wouldn't have social security numbers or the thing closest to that in your nation so they won't be able to get a passport anyway.

In most countries, citizenship cannot just be taken away without a very good reason.

[Santa Agua]

As they are staying in a different nation, it wouldn't give problems. Tourists can get arrested/warned/punished for things that aren't illegal in their home nation as well.

Indeed, but the home nation may not like that and they could claim the host is failing to protect their students as required.

True, they could. But generally speaking, they won't unless they are in the right and have various others that feel the same. You can never pull away the risk that accusations are made.

[Santa Agua]

That's obviously different from applying the law on the students. Seeing as they'd probably be high schoolers, most of these things wouldn't be possible due to their age either way. Other than that, the fact is that they wouldn't have social security numbers or the thing closest to that in your nation so they won't be able to get a passport anyway.

In most countries, citizenship cannot just be taken away without a very good reason.

I don't think you get it. No one is granted citizenship, they are merely seen by the law as a citizen. A tourist isn't a citizen but still receives the same protection from and by the law as a citizen, for example.

[Ardoki]

In most countries, citizenship cannot just be taken away without a very good reason.

I don't think you get it. No one is granted citizenship, they are merely seen by the law as a citizen. A tourist isn't a citizen but still receives the same protection from and by the law as a citizen, for example.

Tourists are not treated as citizens?

[The Victorian Empire]

Yeah, you guys better vote Modern Tech since that's the only tech I RP in.

While we're on the topic of laws, I'd just like to say that Victoria's laws are pretty much the same as the US. Only with slight differences with marijuana, guns, same-sex marriages, and couple other stuff.

[United Regions of Verona]

When we vote for the host, if you vote for me, I can assure you both the school and teachers will be quite... Interesting *makes that shifty look at the ground grinning* Some creepy teachers, some bubbly teachers... And it's not going to be a small school, I can assure you it will be a big, strange school with more to do then learn.... Heh heh heh...

[The Nation of Ceneria]

When we vote for the host, if you vote for me, I can assure you both the school and teachers will be quite... Interesting *makes that shifty look at the ground grinning* Some creepy teachers, some bubbly teachers... And it's not going to be a small school, I can assure you it will be a big, strange school with more to do then learn.... Heh heh heh...

Should be worried about your sanity?