The Multi-Species Union [Alliance, Main Page, OOC]

[The Human-Equine Alliance]

Well this I can use as a President as to whether I join or not.

Not revealing which decision will make me join, but I'll decide about joining after this little incident is solved

[Cerillium]

Well FA&A did actually point out that it was not JUST humans. He did mention that his anthros in his nation are also subject to the same rules though in smaller percentage. And he also did point out that those used in food were not unwilling subjects. Which in the end I would personally campaign against his removal from the alliance but I probably would not defend against a removal from his position.

I personally think it's stupid to join an organization that promotes things that go against a culture.

"We behead Americans!"

Why are you part of the Freedom Union, an organization sponsored by Americans and in which Americans not only serve as members but also hold office? While you're free to do what you want on your native soil, Americans and the rest of the world will take a dim view of the beheadings.

"We killed him because we're white and he was black!"

Why are you a member of the NAACP, an organization that promotes the welfare and rights of blacks? While you are free to believe what you will about another ethnicity group, other NAACP members will have much to say about the murder by a fellow NAACP member.

"Humans should be genocided!"

Why are you a member of a multi-species alliance that promotes equality between all sapient species and frowns upon genocide and slavery? While you're free to do that on your native soil, the rest of the alliance will take an extremely dim view of it. Consider that many of the member nations are run by players that have been unfairly persecuted on NS for having Pony, anthro, fantasy or magical nations. These players see "death to humans" as just another form of "death to ponies".

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Well, I think I caused enough controversy and trouble here.
I'd like it if I was taken off the roster and was taken down from the CIS. I'm not going to continue debating this.
Do not remember me for anything I did.
The FAQ on the Zetaboards will remain up, but Swith should probably take ownership, ban me from the Zetaboards, and then this thread, and then the end of the story comes here.
And I'll be out of your hair once you take care of it.

[Oaledonia]

That escalated quickly.

[Arcanium of Mars]

In my nation is considered perfectly legal for meat eating creatures (sapient or not) to other creatures as long as they are not considered to be sapient. In other words if the creature in question shows no signs of intelligence, then it is perfectly fine to eat them. Though we Ponies do find it gross, we do understand that not all creatures can eat non-meat products 24/7 like we do. Now, lets say the creature is intelligent and is considered to be sapient, (Able to speak, knows how to use tools, etc), and another sapient being tried to eat it. We would call that cannibalism, which is down disgusting and frowned up on.

So to appease our meat eating friends that live in our Empire, we try to control their hunger by giving them non-intelligent/non-sapient animals. Basiclly the best way to see how intelligent a creature has become is to see how well the interact with others, how they communicate, and whether or not they know how to use tools like a simple stone hatchet. If the creature does understand these areas then it is considered to be some-what sapient. If it has not yet developed enough to understand, then it is still a dumb animal.

In other words, a creature who is deemed to be sapient would be someone who has full control over all other beings on the planet. Just like Humans, they are very smart and practically control everything and have possibly prevented any of the animals to actually be sapient. Anyone who has played SPORE would understand this. One race begins to evolve much faster then all the others. That race becomes smarter and wiser as it does. It soon becomes capable of using tools and making their own language and moves on into becoming a tribe. That tribe will then either befriend or down right destroy and dominate any other Tribes that may exist to become the only sapiens on the planet (AKA Genocide...) Which means that if you are now the ruling race of your nation, then yes you may have also committed some form of Genocide against the lessors during Early history (The dark ages.) Something that we (Even I myself) need to think about. Years go by and then move on into the modern Era, then into Space. And as we played SPORE and saw our creatures grow, they gained dominance over the creatures who are still considered "Stupid."

If you haven't played this game, then you should, might help you understand how a Race evolves and what not.


(An example of two Sapient Tribes fighting each other. And an example on how to tell if the creatures in question or intelligent.)




This image merely shows an example of what a sapient or merely intelligent creature would be like. If they can use any form of tools and weapons and understand what they are used for, (like a hunter catching its prey with a sharpened stick as a spear instead of using its claws and teeth like wild beast), then it would be considered intelligent.

I have committed Genocide multiple times when playing SPORE. I removed entire Empires from existence. Used a several Planet Buster bombs that destroyed the entire planet and every creature that lived on it. But hey, when it comes to war, you have to do what you can to remove people who just won't give up and surrender.

[Cerillium]

Well, I think I caused enough controversy and trouble here.
I'd like it if I was taken off the roster and was taken down from the CIS. I'm not going to continue debating this.
Do not remember me for anything I did.
The FAQ on the Zetaboards will remain up, but Swith should probably take ownership, ban me from the Zetaboards, and then this thread, and then the end of the story comes here.
And I'll be out of your hair once you take care of it.

No one's said you have to leave. It's turned into an interesting gameplay element, and one that we can refer to in the future when the consumption of sapient species comes up. Perhaps, like the slavery issue, not all is as evil as it seems and some forms of practice are allowable?

I do have to agree with stepping down from office over it. It did create a lot of controversy outside the alliance.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

If you wish to chase me after the issue and turn it into a element, and a issue of the Union, go ahead, though I still have to insist on leaving the Union for good, unless I can really get something to change my stance on leaving.

[Cerillium]

In my nation is considered perfectly legal for meat eating creatures (sapient or not) to other creatures as long as they are not considered to be sapient. In other words if the creature in question shows no signs of intelligence, then it is perfectly fine to eat them. Though we Ponies do find it gross, we do understand that not all creatures can eat non-meat products 24/7 like we do. Now, lets say the creature is intelligent and is considered to be sapient, (Able to speak, knows how to use tools, etc), and another sapient being tried to eat it. We would call that cannibalism, which is down disgusting and frowned up on.

So to appease our meat eating friends that live in our Empire, we try to control their hunger by giving them non-intelligent/non-sapient animals. Basiclly the best way to see how intelligent a creature has become is to see how well the interact with others, how they communicate, and whether or not they know how to use tools like a simple stone hatchet. If the creature does understand these areas then it is considered to be some-what sapient. If it has not yet developed enough to understand, then it is still a dumb animal.

In other words, a creature who is deemed to be sapient would be someone who has full control over all other beings on the planet. Just like Humans, they are very smart and practically control everything and have possibly prevented any of the animals to actually be sapient. Anyone who has played SPORE would understand this. One race begins to evolve much faster then all the others. That race becomes smarter and wiser as it does. It soon becomes capable of using tools and making their own language and moves on into becoming a tribe. That tribe will then either befriend or down right destroy and dominate any other Tribes that may exist to become the only sapiens on the planet (AKA Genocide...) Which means that if you are now the ruling race of your nation, then yes you may have also committed some form of Genocide against the lessors during Early history (The dark ages.) Something that we (Even I myself) need to think about. Years go by and then move on into the modern Era, then into Space. And as we played SPORE and saw our creatures grow, they gained dominance over the creatures who are still considered "Stupid."

If you haven't played this game, then you should, might help you understand how a Race evolves and what not.


(An example of two Sapient Tribes fighting each other. And an example on how to tell if the creatures in question or intelligent.)

(Image)


This image merely shows an example of what a sapient or merely intelligent creature would be like. If they can use any form of tools and weapons and understand what they are used for, (like a hunter catching its prey with a sharpened stick as a spear instead of using its claws and teeth like wild beast), then it would be considered intelligent.

I've never played it although I've designed ships with it. Swith loves the game. She'll play it all the way through to space age in a day then start over the next.

If you wish to chase me after the issue and turn it into a element, and a issue of the Union, go ahead, though I still have to insist on leaving the Union for good, unless I can really get something to change my stance on leaving.

No one is going to chase. It's fine if you don't want to contribute.

The issue is bound to come again. We could always hold a conference on it sometime. Maybe the CIS reps can put their heads together and come up with something.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Either way, if you wish, you(Stormwrath) can chose to suspend my membership, or boot me from the alliance. The choice is yours.

In my nation is considered perfectly legal for meat eating creatures (sapient or not) to other creatures as long as they are not considered to be sapient. In other words if the creature in question shows no signs of intelligence, then it is perfectly fine to eat them. Though we Ponies do find it gross, we do understand that not all creatures can eat non-meat products 24/7 like we do. Now, lets say the creature is intelligent and is considered to be sapient, (Able to speak, knows how to use tools, etc), and another sapient being tried to eat it. We would call that cannibalism, which is down disgusting and frowned up on.

So to appease our meat eating friends that live in our Empire, we try to control their hunger by giving them non-intelligent/non-sapient animals. Basiclly the best way to see how intelligent a creature has become is to see how well the interact with others, how they communicate, and whether or not they know how to use tools like a simple stone hatchet. If the creature does understand these areas then it is considered to be some-what sapient. If it has not yet developed enough to understand, then it is still a dumb animal.

In other words, a creature who is deemed to be sapient would be someone who has full control over all other beings on the planet. Just like Humans, they are very smart and practically control everything and have possibly prevented any of the animals to actually be sapient. Anyone who has played SPORE would understand this. One race begins to evolve much faster then all the others. That race becomes smarter and wiser as it does. It soon becomes capable of using tools and making their own language and moves on into becoming a tribe. That tribe will then either befriend or down right destroy and dominate any other Tribes that may exist to become the only sapiens on the planet (AKA Genocide...) Which means that if you are now the ruling race of your nation, then yes you may have also committed some form of Genocide against the lessors during Early history (The dark ages.) Something that we (Even I myself) need to think about. Years go by and then move on into the modern Era, then into Space. And as we played SPORE and saw our creatures grow, they gained dominance over the creatures who are still considered "Stupid."

If you haven't played this game, then you should, might help you understand how a Race evolves and what not.


(An example of two Sapient Tribes fighting each other. And an example on how to tell if the creatures in question or intelligent.)

(Image)


This image merely shows an example of what a sapient or merely intelligent creature would be like. If they can use any form of tools and weapons and understand what they are used for, (like a hunter catching its prey with a sharpened stick as a spear instead of using its claws and teeth like wild beast), then it would be considered intelligent.

I've never played it although I've designed ships with it. Swith loves the game. She'll play it all the way through to space age in a day then start over the next.

If you wish to chase me after the issue and turn it into a element, and a issue of the Union, go ahead, though I still have to insist on leaving the Union for good, unless I can really get something to change my stance on leaving.

No one is going to chase. It's fine if you don't want to contribute.

The issue is bound to come again. We could always hold a conference on it sometime. Maybe the CIS reps can put their heads together and come up with something.

Then go and do so in the near future when you get the chance to. I doubt there would be that much stopping you from discussing the issue, though I will have to say that in advance that the issue is most likely going to be finished within a small amount of time.

[Cerillium]

Now I remember why I swung by here. The charter sigs. Planeia, some sigs are listed but the members aren't at the conference. Others are at the conference but don't have sigs. I wasn't certain how you wanted to tackle that.

I believe we have 2/3 vote from members present, with only a single nay. We can ratify it if Storm wants to do the honors by announcing it IC. The draft in the IC is the most recent draft (signatures withstanding) and can be copied into the charter box on the first page here.

Does anyone have someone they want to nominate for Minister-President? It's a pretty important position and it carries some workload. Should we have people submit something that looks official? I believe Dyste said he was interested in the position. There might be a few others.

@Furry. The issue isn't "What the nation of Furry does" but "What constitutes a violation of species rights and what criteria will we use to determine what is or isn't pertaining to a protected class?" It's a good topic because there are nations out there besides yours that in fact eat sapient species.

[Arcanium of Mars]

Now I remember why I swung by here. The charter sigs. Planeia, some sigs are listed but the members aren't at the conference. Others are at the conference but don't have sigs. I wasn't certain how you wanted to tackle that.

I believe we have 2/3 vote from members present, with only a single nay. We can ratify it if Storm wants to do the honors by announcing it IC. The draft in the IC is the most recent draft (signatures withstanding) and can be copied into the charter box on the first page here.

Does anyone have someone they want to nominate for Minister-President? It's a pretty important position and it carries some workload. Should we have people submit something that looks official? I believe Dyste said he was interested in the position. There might be a few others.

@Furry. The issue isn't "What the nation of Furry does" but "What constitutes a violation of species rights and what criteria will we use to determine what is or isn't pertaining to a protected class?" It's a good topic because there are nations out there besides yours that in fact eat sapient species.

And as I stated in my post, its not Genocide when you eat others. It's merely cannibalism. Genocide is the act of removing the whole race to the point of extinction (non longer exists.) If the humans in question are still alive to a degree, then they are not genocided yet.

And about making ships in SPORE. Most of my items in my FactBooks are from Spore as well. I still need to add more stuff though.

[-The Trade Federation-]

Now I remember why I swung by here. The charter sigs. Planeia, some sigs are listed but the members aren't at the conference. Others are at the conference but don't have sigs. I wasn't certain how you wanted to tackle that.

I believe we have 2/3 vote from members present, with only a single nay. We can ratify it if Storm wants to do the honors by announcing it IC. The draft in the IC is the most recent draft (signatures withstanding) and can be copied into the charter box on the first page here.

Does anyone have someone they want to nominate for Minister-President? It's a pretty important position and it carries some workload. Should we have people submit something that looks official? I believe Dyste said he was interested in the position. There might be a few others.

@Furry. The issue isn't "What the nation of Furry does" but "What constitutes a violation of species rights and what criteria will we use to determine what is or isn't pertaining to a protected class?" It's a good topic because there are nations out there besides yours that in fact eat sapient species.

And as I stated in my post, its not Genocide when you eat others. It's merely cannibalism. Genocide is the act of removing the whole race to the point of extinction (non longer exists.) If the humans in question are still alive to a degree, then they are not genocided yet.

And about making ships in SPORE. Most of my items in my FactBooks are from Spore as well. I still need to add more stuff though.

Then why was the Holocaust a genocide, even if all Jews weren't killed ? Why was the Rwandan Genocide a genocide if all the Tutsies didn't get killed ?

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

And as I stated in my post, its not Genocide when you eat others. It's merely cannibalism. Genocide is the act of removing the whole race to the point of extinction (non longer exists.) If the humans in question are still alive to a degree, then they are not genocided yet.

And about making ships in SPORE. Most of my items in my FactBooks are from Spore as well. I still need to add more stuff though.

Then why was the Holocaust a genocide, even if all Jews weren't killed ? Why was the Rwandan Genocide a genocide if all the Tutsies didn't get killed ?

He said it is the act of removing a certain race/group. Removing =/= Remove in this case. Removing is the process of taking out and killing the group in a present tense form or the planning/action of killing off the group in a present or future tense, while Remove in this case is that a species has already or has been removed in a present tense term and extending this to the word removed since both are in the same tense and both have the basic meaning. Speaking in this way, I have not removed or plan on removing the Human Species any time soon. But we're I to say I removed the Human Species would mean the successful genocides of the species happened.
I'm half tired and half patronized, so forgive me wrong info

[The Fedral Union]

I'll go a step further, anyone who commits genocide runs the risk of certain nations pulling out a big stick and toppling their government.. People don't take kindly to that if OFC it was widely known. Running the risk of going SJW here, grow your meat in a damn test tube and stop murdering people for food.. It doesn't look good to civilized nations.

[Stormwrath]

Then why was the Holocaust a genocide, even if all Jews weren't killed ? Why was the Rwandan Genocide a genocide if all the Tutsies didn't get killed ?

He said it is the act of removing a certain race/group. Removing =/= Remove in this case. Removing is the process of taking out and killing the group in a present tense form or the planning/action of killing off the group in a present or future tense, while Remove in this case is that a species has already or has been removed in a present tense term and extending this to the word removed since both are in the same tense and both have the basic meaning. Speaking in this way, I have not removed or plan on removing the Human Species any time soon. But we're I to say I removed the Human Species would mean the successful genocides of the species happened.
I'm half tired and half patronized, so forgive me wrong info

For frick's sake, I'm not going to suspend you or kick you out of the MSU. This genocide issue that we have is taken ICly and not in a personal way.

[The Fedral Union]

He said it is the act of removing a certain race/group. Removing =/= Remove in this case. Removing is the process of taking out and killing the group in a present tense form or the planning/action of killing off the group in a present or future tense, while Remove in this case is that a species has already or has been removed in a present tense term and extending this to the word removed since both are in the same tense and both have the basic meaning. Speaking in this way, I have not removed or plan on removing the Human Species any time soon. But we're I to say I removed the Human Species would mean the successful genocides of the species happened.
I'm half tired and half patronized, so forgive me wrong info

For frick's sake, I'm not going to suspend you or kick you out of the MSU. This genocide issue that we have is taken ICly and not in a personal way.

^^^

This, storm pretty much summed it up

[Sulania]

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Application Form

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National Information

Nation Name: The United Federation of Sulania
Government Type: Democratic Republic
Head of State: Senior Arbiter Nightshade
Head of Government: Senior Arbiter Nightshade
Capital City: Nerugia
Majority Species: Ponies, Unicorns to be specific.

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Military Information

Head of Defense: Steel Whooves
Military Personnel (Active): 80,000
Military Personnel (Reserve): 150,000

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Membership Information

Membership Type (Full Fledged or Observer): Full Fledged
Reason to join this alliance (Minimum of 3 sentences): Well, the first, and most obvious reason, is that Sulania is a multi-species nation holding a majority population of ponies. There are also several other races such as Humans, who primarily stay within the province of Sleighrugia, and Griffons who are seen here and there usually within the province of Starkhaven. A diverse nation such as Sulania would fit well in a multi-species union. Also, we, as a nation, agree with the goals set forth by the manifesto of the Multi-Species Union and seek to join it as a way to take part in accomplishing them.
Other alliances: League of Secular Nations.
Degree of Activity in Roleplays: Casual, will post much more regularly then I have in the past.
Roleplay Examples:
Star Wars: Rise of an Empire OOC/IC (Dead)
Assassin's Creed: Spring of Nations OOC/IC (Dead)

Do you agree with the terms and agreements found in the MSU Charter?: Yes...

Sorry, had to post this as a tag and I needed to complete this later. It's now done.

[Versail]

Should I RP a military official or civilian official going to the summit?

[The Fedral Union]

Should I RP a military official or civilian official going to the summit?

does your nation have a civilian run or a military run government?

[Versail]

Should I RP a military official or civilian official going to the summit?

Is your nation civilian run or a military run goverment?

Military ran for the most part however things such as healthcare are civilian run.

[Anhur]

Is your nation civilian run or a military run goverment?

Military ran for the most part however things such as healthcare are civilian run.

Who controls your foreign policies? Aka. Who are your diplomats?

[Versail]

Military ran for the most part however things such as healthcare are civilian run.

Who controls your foreign policies? Aka. Who are your diplomats?

Civilians who are chosen by the military.

[Stormwrath]

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I believe we have 2/3 vote from members present, with only a single nay. We can ratify it if Storm wants to do the honors by announcing it IC. The draft in the IC is the most recent draft (signatures withstanding) and can be copied into the charter box on the first page here.

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It's official! We have an official charter and therefore we, the Multi-Species Union, are an official alliance!

[Anhur]

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I believe we have 2/3 vote from members present, with only a single nay. We can ratify it if Storm wants to do the honors by announcing it IC. The draft in the IC is the most recent draft (signatures withstanding) and can be copied into the charter box on the first page here.

- snip -

It's official! We have an official charter and therefore we, the Multi-Species Union, are an official alliance!

Oh no things are getting done around here. I am scared.

[Stormwrath]

Oh no things are getting done around here. I am scared.

Don't worry, we still have to pick a minister-president.