International Freedom Coalition (SignUp/OOC)

[New Carloso]

But we can't allow you bully us around and say 'nah nah na na nah you don't have the balls to fight us'

What if i make a different trend?

You want new theatre? Sure, we shall discuss it.... SACTO will only accept it however if there will be equal forces of SACTO and IFC. Let's say 3vs3.

We can always talk about it, I see no bigger problem. Perhaps we shall make a thread for "The Freedom Wars" and plan few more threads than just Arg?

"War of the Two Coalitions"

[Riysa]

♪ "On the mountains, behind the hills, and in the valleys, you will be defeated, you will be defeated!
From the land you came, from the sea you came, and from the air you came, you will be shattered, you will be shattered!
Your hands, if you extend them towards us, will be cut off; your eyes, if you look at us, will be gorged out,
And your army that was defeated, if it returns to this part of the globe it will not return.
You felt fear when you attacked us, and woe be to you if we return and attack you,
You came to this land alive; verily, you will be ended utterly here!"

[El Cuscatlan]

* Brigada Azul - Elite Volunteer Formation which Cuscatlan plans to deploy in Argentarino.

CARLOS SILVA
CARLOTTA

Roses and orchids were blooming
When Carlotta left for the river
Her sight was far into horizon zooming
Far away, where was fighting her lover

She left, and sang for him a song
About their life where he will return
About how they will live without wrong
How they life from misery to happiness will turn

Her lover, in Brigada Azul* has fought
In 25th battalion of itself death
He end over many traitors brought
When she was preparing for him wreath

Wreath was of roses red
Wreath of victor, made for glory
For he will not return from war dead
His deeds will be written in history

Then Brigada Azul to attack moved
And Chased the IFC thugs away
Enemigos were from the trench removed
No one of them was able to stay!

Brigada Azul, stands on defence of Patria
Guarding the jungles and pama plains
God will grant us today victoria
And IFC will return in chains!

[Legendardisch]

I see the difference, and i still do.

I am not spamming you.

Obviously you're not going away, and this is a good a place as any to explain. For elegance I shall divide my argument into 3 points.

1. I/Ausitoria have split my personality between OOC and IC.
It's like a multiple-person disorder; or like I have an IC hat and an OOC hat. This is how I can be excellent OOC friends with IC enemies (and to some extent OOC enemies with IC friends for that matter). Now you, Legendardisch, are presumably getting upset because I seem OOCly to care for Ausitoria ICly; and to be using my OOC influence to limit the IC effects on Ausitoria. Which brings us to the second point.

2. I also have split-OOC personalities.
On a purely personal note, I don't want to protect Ausitoria ICly; indeed it would be extremely interesting to RP having it destroyed: watching logic continue to the bitter end. But in my capacity as leader of an OOC region, I have to behave as my region demands, or as I think they would demand, and I think my region does OOCly care for the continuity of IC Ausitoria in just the same way that they care for the continuity of the rest of the region, and therefore OOCly I have to care about Ausitoria. (Also in my capacity as OOC leader of the region; and in my personal OOC capacity; I opposed much of what Ausitoria recently managed: i.e., making my region very peaceful and making sure that the balance of power didn't change. While ICly Ausitoria was a complete success, OOCly I was in danger of being a failure as there was very little to RP, effectively shutting down one of our RPs (the Mizrad-Maverican War). I dare say TNL and Naybra will remember my worried musings on the subject).

3. I also have split-IC personalities.
Ausitoria as an individual nation behaves very differently from Ausitoria as a representative of a group. Ask Loufe: I have been scrupulously careful to ensure that as IC Speaker my IC enemies have been given all that they need to conduct their business ICly. Equally as IFC Foreign Minister I have been restrained and moderate and attempted to follow the IC consensus and keep the IFC on a stable path between left and right, even while Ausitoria would prefer the IFC to veer to the right. Ausitoria as IFC Foreign Minister cared about socialists: Ausitoria as an independent nation doesn't much.

Hopefully all that isn't too confusing, so to sum:

For Mizrad and other IC criticizers in the IFC: Ausitoria as an IFC Foreign Minister is not very similar to Ausitoria as an independent nation.
For Legendardisch: I OOCly care about the OOC wishes of other people to ensue that Ausitoria is ICly protected for; i.e. I don't directly care at all for Ausitoria's IC future except insofar as I have to write about it.

No please stop
Take yourself and your supporters out of the IFC, you are harming it.

[Novo Wagondia]

So I sense Riysa and Cuscatlan are both staunchly in support of SACTO and participants in the invasion of
Argentarino; are there any nations known to be supporting the Argentarinoan government?

[El Cuscatlan]

So I sense Riysa and Cuscatlan are both staunchly in support of SACTO and participants in the invasion of
Argentarino; are there any nations known to be supporting the Argentarinoan government?

Correction: Riysa and Cuscatlan ARE invading Argentarino. Riysa is SACTO grand Commander, Cuscatlan is Lt. Grand Commander.

Organized States, New Aurelia and Valaran are supporting the gov, but the thread is closed.

[Cyllea]

So I sense Riysa and Cuscatlan are both staunchly in support of SACTO and participants in the invasion of
Argentarino; are there any nations known to be supporting the Argentarinoan government?

Correction: Riysa and Cuscatlan ARE invading Argentarino. Riysa is SACTO grand Commander, Cuscatlan is Lt. Grand Commander.

Organized States, New Aurelia and Valaran are supporting the gov, but the thread is closed.

It's not very fair to invade an alliance member and then just say 'lol nope it's closed so you can't do anything'. If you wanna invade at least accept the consequences.

[El Cuscatlan]

Correction: Riysa and Cuscatlan ARE invading Argentarino. Riysa is SACTO grand Commander, Cuscatlan is Lt. Grand Commander.

Organized States, New Aurelia and Valaran are supporting the gov, but the thread is closed.

It's not very fair to invade an alliance member and then just say 'lol nope it's closed so you can't do anything'. If you wanna invade at least accept the consequences.

It is fair, because we agreed on limited war. If IFC wants other theatres SACTO said clearly, we agree, but let's plan it and discuss it. We will not RP in disorganized way that ruins RP, like the Victorialan convist revolution. We will accept smaller teams of players ONLY.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

OOCly, if we are to go ahead RPing a war (which I think would probably only really happen after last-minute peace negotiations) then I would expect it will be on a very large scale - the sort of thing planned with Omnibellum, if any of you are familiar with that.

[El Cuscatlan]

OOCly, if we are to go ahead RPing a war (which I think would probably only really happen after last-minute peace negotiations) then I would expect it will be on a very large scale - the sort of thing planned with Omnibellum, if any of you are familiar with that.

War on such scale will require a lot of planning to be honest. And keep in mind that it will be subject to restrictions, because SACTO members prefer RL population than NS population.

[New Carloso]

OOCly, if we are to go ahead RPing a war (which I think would probably only really happen after last-minute peace negotiations) then I would expect it will be on a very large scale - the sort of thing planned with Omnibellum, if any of you are familiar with that.

War on such scale will require a lot of planning to be honest. And keep in mind that it will be subject to restrictions, because SACTO members prefer RL population than NS population.

i don't think anyone actually uses ns pop. only nubs

[Riysa]

War on such scale will require a lot of planning to be honest. And keep in mind that it will be subject to restrictions, because SACTO members prefer RL population than NS population.

i don't think anyone actually uses ns pop. only nubs

You'd be surprised at how many experienced people use NS Pop

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

War on such scale will require a lot of planning to be honest. And keep in mind that it will be subject to restrictions, because SACTO members prefer RL population than NS population.

i don't think anyone actually uses ns pop. only nubs

And Sondrians and Gholgothians and plenty of the old guard. It's a very contentious OOC issue. I try to RP with a number acceptable to both, but it's pretty tricky...

[New Carloso]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=heco ... /id=319068

gotta love this

[El Cuscatlan]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=heco/detail=factbook/id=319068

gotta love this

They operate according to old soviet rule "One Kalash on two soldiers"!

Besides, as I stated to 2ria, If you want wars, I propose series of proxy and limited wars instead of "HUZZAH WE GONING BEAT LIEBERALS/FAZISTS". This will require some planing, however.

[New Austzeland]

so what if i chose i remain neutral in a possible IFC-SACTO war?

i'm just wondering since i got too much on my hands as it is (hosting 1 RP and a ton of homework for school)

[Roski1]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=heco/detail=factbook/id=319068

gotta love this

Little does he know, a thousand of his dollars equal .01 NSD

[New Carloso]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=heco/detail=factbook/id=319068

gotta love this

They operate according to old soviet rule "One Kalash on two soldiers"!

Besides, as I stated to 2ria, If you want wars, I propose series of proxy and limited wars instead of "HUZZAH WE GONING BEAT LIEBERALS/FAZISTS". This will require some planing, however.

k. i'll start with invading you

[Bolrieg]

The region of anarchy is at a loss.
This really makes me rather cross.
You make me want to drop bombs on you from an albatross.
Then you’ll become tooth floss.
Bad attempt at rhyming? I don’t give a toss.

[El Cuscatlan]

They operate according to old soviet rule "One Kalash on two soldiers"!

Besides, as I stated to 2ria, If you want wars, I propose series of proxy and limited wars instead of "HUZZAH WE GONING BEAT LIEBERALS/FAZISTS". This will require some planing, however.

k. i'll start with invading you

You will see why US lost in vietnam then. This however may be a interesting part during later stages of war.

Remember, I have civilian population which is better armed than your army...

[New Carloso]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=heco/detail=factbook/id=319068

gotta love this

Little does he know, a thousand of his dollars equal .01 NSD

i don't see how a nation can have a gdp of over quintillion, let along 580 quintillion

[Novo Wagondia]

It's not very fair to invade an alliance member and then just say 'lol nope it's closed so you can't do anything'. If you wanna invade at least accept the consequences.

It is fair, because we agreed on limited war. If IFC wants other theatres SACTO said clearly, we agree, but let's plan it and discuss it. We will not RP in disorganized way that ruins RP, like the Victorialan convist revolution. We will accept smaller teams of players ONLY.

I'm willing to send aid to the government, whom we support, but so long as both parties agree to keep the war limited, I see your point and will stay out

[Roski1]

Little does he know, a thousand of his dollars equal .01 NSD

i don't see how a nation can have a gdp of over quintillion, let along 580 quintillion

Remember, his people are poor. Hyper inflation would be unreal. 50-60 million of his dollars could be 1 NSD

[New Austzeland]

guys

what if i chose to remain neutral in a possible IFC-SACTO war

please let me know

[New Carloso]

i don't see how a nation can have a gdp of over quintillion, let along 580 quintillion

Remember, his people are poor. Hyper inflation would be unreal. 50-60 million of his dollars could be 1 NSD

true dat

but moar money = profit