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United States of Devonta
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:10 am

"United States Of Devonta Votes Aye to Resolution #38"
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Bratislav
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Postby Bratislav » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:13 am

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:"On a point of order, with respect; 7 votes in favour is unnecessary. We are not proposing a dissolution of the Council; only early elections, and Resolution no. 36 states that the Council has:

-The Power to call for early elections, for whatever reason Council deems it necessary, as well as the power to mandate and re-affirm the Secretary General hold elections on the scheduled date. Secondary clause of this stipend is only applicable if, and only if, reasonable signature of elections occurring in a timely fashion to their assigned date, are not present.

-:-The above must have the vote of a majority of Delegations present, at the time the call was issued.


"I understand. But if a new Prime Minister is elected doesn't he have the natural right to choose a new cabinet for himself? Which would effectively be a dissolution of the cabinet."

"It's a bit hazy I must say, because in essence you are stipulating the removal of the PM specifically and with that early elections to be held, since early elections cannot be held without the formal removal of the PM on specific grounds. While a non-confidence vote has a more direct implication to it."
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Elemental North
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Postby Elemental North » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:12 am

The matter is removed from the floor since all has been cleared up outside of this Alliance. The vote is thus called null and voided, and the floor open to other issues. The Delegation from Libraria is thanked for his service in this matter.
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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:25 am

"With the greatest possible respect," said the Foreign Minister, with a terrible fury in his voice, "the question has not been cleared up; and we will tender our immediate resignation from this alliance if the vote is not allowed to continue. The Prime Minister is, shall, and must NOT be allowed to call off elections and ignore the wishes of the majority; and this is why we recommended that the Prime Minister and the Speaker be separate!

And I see no reason why the Cabinet should have to be removed when the Council has already approved them; since we may end up with the same Prime Minister: it is not at all hazy. The law does what the law says; and if there is any debate about what the law says, then it is the Council that decides what it says; and if the Council decides by vote that it can call elections for the Prime Minister only, then the Council can call elections for the Prime Minister only."
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Bratislav
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Postby Bratislav » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:35 am

"The Prime Minister must respect the vote called by Libraria and Ausitoria, which is being doing in a legitimate manner. His resolution now has 6 AYES. A seventh AYE will be enough for passage, and I will call early elections. I will label the move as a non-confidence vote and a dissolution of the Cabinet, but I will ask the new PM to retain the same Cabinet positions that were held by the members in the current cabinet."
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Katanga and Tanganyika
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Postby Katanga and Tanganyika » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:38 am

Finally rushing into the building, the Katangan delegate sat down at his desk, and looked upon the council. He turned his head to the resolution, reading it over, and then calling his vote.

"The United Democratic Jewish-Islamic Coalition of Katanga and Tanganyika vote AYE for Resolution 38."
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Zunkwentania
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Postby Zunkwentania » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:40 am

We vote NAY!

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Bratislav
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Postby Bratislav » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:44 am

VOTE COUNT CURRENTLY FOR RESOLUTION 38

AYE: 6
NAY: 1
ABSTAIN: 1

7 AYES WILL AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER EARLY ELECTIONS THAT I WILL CALL.
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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:50 am

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IFC Is Going Banking, You See?

[Resolution Number: [Insert number here]]


In order to financially support the IFC, the Prestorian Group will be a coalition of banks serving the IFC, and eventually other alliances. The Group will sell stocks to other nations and bussinesses, both in and outside of the IFC. The Group will allow investments from nations and bussinesses as well. The head of the Prestorian Group will be the Prestorian Reserve Bank.

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Bratislav
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Postby Bratislav » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:51 am

Giliberafta wrote:
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Secretary of State Jon Bon Jovi




IFC Is Going Banking, You See?

[Resolution Number: [Insert number here]]


In order to financially support the IFC, the Prestorian Group will be a coalition of banks serving the IFC, and eventually other alliances. The Group will sell stocks to other nations and bussinesses, both in and outside of the IFC. The Group will allow investments from nations and bussinesses as well. The head of the Prestorian Group will be the Prestorian Reserve Bank.

Signed,


[Secretary of State Jon Bon Jovi, Giliberafta]


"That resolution is tabbed for later, since we are in the middle of an important non-confidence vote."
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Elemental North
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Postby Elemental North » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:55 am

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:"With the greatest possible respect," said the Foreign Minister, with a terrible fury in his voice, "the question has not been cleared up; and we will tender our immediate resignation from this alliance if the vote is not allowed to continue. The Prime Minister is, shall, and must NOT be allowed to call off elections and ignore the wishes of the majority; and this is why we recommended that the Prime Minister and the Speaker be separate!

And I see no reason why the Cabinet should have to be removed when the Council has already approved them; since we may end up with the same Prime Minister: it is not at all hazy. The law does what the law says; and if there is any debate about what the law says, then it is the Council that decides what it says; and if the Council decides by vote that it can call elections for the Prime Minister only, then the Council can call elections for the Prime Minister only."


We will respect the vote then. However we must remind the ever so interesting Delegation from Ausitoria that you do not necessarily enjoy legislative supremacy here. No matter how many times you yell it out. I honestly think that this whole vote is nothing but disruptive, and to be honest, a power ploy. Every time we go through one of these fiascos it knocks us back a few steps. We're currently being productive, and the delegation from Austoria's idealistic view of what should and should not be does not hold weight here. You are not the speaker, no matter how much you wish you were. So please, I implore you, cease this behavior and let us all get back to normal business.

F.Y.I, everything between myself and Celsia has been worked out outside of this.
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Namayapata
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Postby Namayapata » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:58 am

Zunkwentania wrote:We vote NAY!

"As does Namayapata" declared Josie to the assembled delegates. "We have the utmost confidence in Elemental North."
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Elemental North
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Postby Elemental North » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:09 pm

Namayapata wrote:
Zunkwentania wrote:We vote NAY!

"As does Namayapata" declared Josie to the assembled delegates. "We have the utmost confidence in Elemental North."


We thank the Delegation for their confidence. We are in your debt.
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Rentalla
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Postby Rentalla » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:09 pm

The Imperial Republic of Rentalla votes Nay
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Elemental North
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Postby Elemental North » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:13 pm

Rentalla wrote:The Imperial Republic of Rentalla votes Nay


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New Celisia
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Postby New Celisia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:32 pm

The Grand Imperial Order of New Celisia Votes Aye to Resolution #38

The Celisian Delegation would further like to mention that our reasoning for this vote of no-confidence is not what it may appear to be. Should our current Prime Minister win the election once again, via the popular vote, I will support him, and do the best that my abilities allow in assisting him to continue the ascent of this Coalition. I believe that public sentiment has changed, due to reasons that have already been discussed both privately and publicly. This is in no way an attack on Elemental North or his Cabinet, merely a Coalition member-state practicing the right to vote and allow opinion to be heard, and discourse/debate to be encouraged. Should Elemental North choose to run for this position again, he will have the support of the Celisian delegation. This is simply a means to prove that he still has the popular support of the people. If he does, he should become Prime Minister again. If he does not, then unfortunately this is the way a democratic system works.
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Elemental North
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Postby Elemental North » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:36 pm

New Celisia wrote:The Grand Imperial Order of New Celisia Votes Aye to Resolution #38

The Celisian Delegation would further like to mention that our reasoning for this vote of no-confidence is not what it may appear to be. Should our current Prime Minister win the election once again, via the popular vote, I will support him and to my best in assisting him to continue the ascent of this Coalition. I believe that public sentiment has changed, due to reasons that have already been discussed privately. This is in no way an attack on Elemental North or his Cabinet, merely a Coalition member-state practicing the right to vote and allow opinion to be heard, and discourage/debate to be encouraged. Should Elemental North choose to run for this position again, he will have the support of the Celisian delegation. This is simply a means to prove that he still has the popular support of the people. If he does, he should becoming Prime Minister again. If he does not, then unfortunately this is the way a democratic system works.


Then by a vote of 7-3-1, the vote of no confidence is had. Emergency elections are to be called in coherence with Res. 36. The Cabinet is thus dissolved. The Delegation from Bratislav shall serve as Speaker of this Council until which time a new Prime Minister can be had.

It is so ordered.
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Namayapata
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Postby Namayapata » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:39 pm

New Celisia wrote:The Grand Imperial Order of New Celisia Votes Aye to Resolution #38

The Celisian Delegation would further like to mention that our reasoning for this vote of no-confidence is not what it may appear to be. Should our current Prime Minister win the election once again, via the popular vote, I will support him and to my best in assisting him to continue the ascent of this Coalition. I believe that public sentiment has changed, due to reasons that have already been discussed privately. This is in no way an attack on Elemental North or his Cabinet, merely a Coalition member-state practicing the right to vote and allow opinion to be heard, and discourage/debate to be encouraged. Should Elemental North choose to run for this position again, he will have the support of the Celisian delegation. This is simply a means to prove that he still has the popular support of the people. If he does, he should becoming Prime Minister again. If he does not, then unfortunately this is the way a democratic system works.

"With all due respect, your logic seems very convoluted there," Josie addressed the Celisian delegation, "If you support Elemental North, why not vote NAY to this resolution? If others support, they will vote NAY - this is essentially a referendum in itself in a way."
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New Celisia
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Postby New Celisia » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:44 pm

Namayapata wrote:
New Celisia wrote:The Grand Imperial Order of New Celisia Votes Aye to Resolution #38

The Celisian Delegation would further like to mention that our reasoning for this vote of no-confidence is not what it may appear to be. Should our current Prime Minister win the election once again, via the popular vote, I will support him and to my best in assisting him to continue the ascent of this Coalition. I believe that public sentiment has changed, due to reasons that have already been discussed privately. This is in no way an attack on Elemental North or his Cabinet, merely a Coalition member-state practicing the right to vote and allow opinion to be heard, and discourage/debate to be encouraged. Should Elemental North choose to run for this position again, he will have the support of the Celisian delegation. This is simply a means to prove that he still has the popular support of the people. If he does, he should becoming Prime Minister again. If he does not, then unfortunately this is the way a democratic system works.

"With all due respect, your logic seems very convoluted there," Josie addressed the Celisian delegation, "If you support Elemental North, why not vote NAY to this resolution? If others support, they will vote NAY - this is essentially a referendum in itself in a way."


The Imperial Marshal nodded respectfully and listened to the Namayapata delegate let his opinion be known, "I understand that my reasoning may not have been made very clear, so I will use this as an opportunity to clarify my position. A large number of active delegates have chosen to remove the Prime Minister and his Cabinet in the bid for early elections. I'm using this as an opportunity to allow a more concerted election so that this issue can be set aside once and for all. The Celisian delegation while we agree that this may be a form of referendum in itself, wish to follow the proper procedures, and allow for discussion and debate regarding the upcoming elections to the fullest degree. Not an impromptu argument, but a professional and democratic process."


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Postby Namayapata » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:47 pm

Elemental North wrote:
New Celisia wrote:The Grand Imperial Order of New Celisia Votes Aye to Resolution #38

The Celisian Delegation would further like to mention that our reasoning for this vote of no-confidence is not what it may appear to be. Should our current Prime Minister win the election once again, via the popular vote, I will support him and to my best in assisting him to continue the ascent of this Coalition. I believe that public sentiment has changed, due to reasons that have already been discussed privately. This is in no way an attack on Elemental North or his Cabinet, merely a Coalition member-state practicing the right to vote and allow opinion to be heard, and discourage/debate to be encouraged. Should Elemental North choose to run for this position again, he will have the support of the Celisian delegation. This is simply a means to prove that he still has the popular support of the people. If he does, he should becoming Prime Minister again. If he does not, then unfortunately this is the way a democratic system works.


Then by a vote of 7-3-1, the vote of no confidence is had. Emergency elections are to be called in coherence with Res. 36. The Cabinet is thus dissolved. The Delegation from Bratislav shall serve as Speaker of this Council until which time a new Prime Minister can be had.

It is so ordered.

As the order is made, and delegates start streaming out of the room, Josie catches the Elemental North delegate. "Good luck in the election, hopefully you'll keep being hot..." She was busy taking in the handsomeness of the delegate and not watching what she was saying. "I mean spot! Hopefully you'll keep your spot as PM!" She flushed a shade of scarlet and dropped half of her papers on the floor.
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Postby Namayapata » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:48 pm

New Celisia wrote:
Namayapata wrote:"With all due respect, your logic seems very convoluted there," Josie addressed the Celisian delegation, "If you support Elemental North, why not vote NAY to this resolution? If others support, they will vote NAY - this is essentially a referendum in itself in a way."


The Imperial Marshal nodded respectfully and listened to the Namayapata delegate let his opinion be known, "I understand that my reasoning may not have been made very clear, so I will use this as an opportunity to clarify my position. A large number of active delegates have chosen to remove the Prime Minister and his Cabinet in the bid for early elections. I'm using this as an opportunity to allow a more concerted election so that this issue can be set aside once and for all. The Celisian delegation while we agree that this may be a form of referendum in itself, wish to follow the proper procedures, and allow for discussion and debate regarding the upcoming elections to the fullest degree. Not an impromptu argument, but a professional and democratic process."

"Point taken," Josie said out loud, but thinking in her head "How did the delegate mistake me for a man?"
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Elemental North
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Postby Elemental North » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:52 pm

Namayapata wrote:
Elemental North wrote:
Then by a vote of 7-3-1, the vote of no confidence is had. Emergency elections are to be called in coherence with Res. 36. The Cabinet is thus dissolved. The Delegation from Bratislav shall serve as Speaker of this Council until which time a new Prime Minister can be had.

It is so ordered.

As the order is made, and delegates start streaming out of the room, Josie catches the Elemental North delegate. "Good luck in the election, hopefully you'll keep being hot..." She was busy taking in the handsomeness of the delegate and not watching what she was saying. "I mean spot! Hopefully you'll keep your spot as PM!" She flushed a shade of scarlet and dropped half of her papers on the floor.


"Thank you madame Delegate. I appreciate your sentiments..."
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Postby Namayapata » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:57 pm

Elemental North wrote:
Namayapata wrote:As the order is made, and delegates start streaming out of the room, Josie catches the Elemental North delegate. "Good luck in the election, hopefully you'll keep being hot..." She was busy taking in the handsomeness of the delegate and not watching what she was saying. "I mean spot! Hopefully you'll keep your spot as PM!" She flushed a shade of scarlet and dropped half of her papers on the floor.


"Thank you madame Delegate. I appreciate your sentiments..."

She bent over to collect all her papers back up again, and stood back up. "Please, call me Josie" she said before promptly scuttling away to her office.
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Liberty, Freedom, Peace

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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:05 pm

"We would like to thank Bratislav for properly standing up for the wishes of the Council; and would echo the comments from New Celisia: there has been a crisis of confidence in the IFC leadership, and we need to know that whoever leads us has sufficient popular support."
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Postby Elemental North » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:12 pm

Namayapata wrote:
Elemental North wrote:
"Thank you madame Delegate. I appreciate your sentiments..."

She bent over to collect all her papers back up again, and stood back up. "Please, call me Josie" she said before promptly scuttling away to her office.


"Josie it is then." he watched her walk quickly back to her office, and smiled. He followed.
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