The United Left (OOC/SIGNUPS/2.0)

[Ardoki]

It was not a threat. I don't see how telling someone not to attack us is a threat?

We do not will for direct intervention but we want you to reconsider your morals and behave when it comes to supporting the bad guys.

So... somehow this is moral?

While I do not support capitalism it would surely be better if the socialist republic could be toppled.
The New Age Empire sends 300,000 soldiers and 5 panzer IV divisions.
The New Age Empire resupplies the capitalists with ammunition, food and fuel and will try to keep doing this.
If we succesfully win the war we will most likely try to take over and set up a national socialist dictatorship or fascist dictatorship if possible or integrate the republic into the annexed countries program of The New Age Empire in which all races are accounted for and are observed to see if they are fit to be integrated into the helghan race and are either integrated or killed in mass shootings. After the mass shooting massive amounts of helghan's are to move to the country in order to eventually make the country's race helghan.
New Age Empire troops marching: http://imgur.com/BX2Xwh8,Hxw19sZ
3rd panzer division ariving and waiting in a city: http://imgur.com/BX2Xwh8,Hxw19sZ#1

[Valaran]

as we weren't going to attack anyway, so there was no need to say it
More the other point I made anyway.

Okay. I feel that you are trying to provoke me into doing something silly, which would give you a casus belli, so I am going to stop.

I am neutral in the civil war. Of course the IFA won't attack the UL and of course I was not trying to create a situation

Why would I try to make peace and then provoke you into war - doesn't make sense.

[Valaran]

We do not will for direct intervention but we want you to reconsider your morals and behave when it comes to supporting the bad guys.

So... somehow this is moral?

While I do not support capitalism it would surely be better if the socialist republic could be toppled.
The New Age Empire sends 300,000 soldiers and 5 panzer IV divisions.
The New Age Empire resupplies the capitalists with ammunition, food and fuel and will try to keep doing this.
If we succesfully win the war we will most likely try to take over and set up a national socialist dictatorship or fascist dictatorship if possible or integrate the republic into the annexed countries program of The New Age Empire in which all races are accounted for and are observed to see if they are fit to be integrated into the helghan race and are either integrated or killed in mass shootings. After the mass shooting massive amounts of helghan's are to move to the country in order to eventually make the country's race helghan.
New Age Empire troops marching: http://imgur.com/BX2Xwh8,Hxw19sZ
3rd panzer division ariving and waiting in a city: http://imgur.com/BX2Xwh8,Hxw19sZ#1

well I had also criticized that statement earlier in this thread so...

[Ardoki]

OK, let's start again, Ardoki, are you willing to make a peace deal that doesn't involve a total victory?

I would have to consult with my comrades, I don't have the authority to make any deals. However I feel that we must not concede defeat (especially to nazis), that would be bad for our reputation.

[Ardoki]

So... somehow this is moral?

well I had also criticized that statement earlier in this thread so...

Yes, however Asigan did not respond.

[Valaran]

OK, let's start again, Ardoki, are you willing to make a peace deal that doesn't involve a total victory?

Also this is the crux of the issue, and the only reason I was here, so any answers?
anything else is superflous

[Ardoki]

OK, let's start again, Ardoki, are you willing to make a peace deal that doesn't involve a total victory?

Also this is the crux of the issue, and the only reason I was here, so any answers?
anything else is superflous

OK, let's start again, Ardoki, are you willing to make a peace deal that doesn't involve a total victory?

I would have to consult with my comrades, I don't have the authority to make any deals. However I feel that we must not concede defeat (especially to nazis), that would be bad for our reputation.

[Valaran]

OK, let's start again, Ardoki, are you willing to make a peace deal that doesn't involve a total victory?

I would have to consult with my comrades, I don't have the authority to make any deals. However I feel that we must not concede defeat (especially to nazis), that would be bad for our reputation.

Ok, thanks
Thought It won't be a total defeat, and although all fair peaces leave a bitter taste, they are better than war.

(won't bother you anymore lol )

[Asigna]

We do not will for direct intervention but we want you to reconsider your morals and behave when it comes to supporting the bad guys.

So... somehow this is moral?

While I do not support capitalism it would surely be better if the socialist republic could be toppled.
The New Age Empire sends 300,000 soldiers and 5 panzer IV divisions.
The New Age Empire resupplies the capitalists with ammunition, food and fuel and will try to keep doing this.
If we succesfully win the war we will most likely try to take over and set up a national socialist dictatorship or fascist dictatorship if possible or integrate the republic into the annexed countries program of The New Age Empire in which all races are accounted for and are observed to see if they are fit to be integrated into the helghan race and are either integrated or killed in mass shootings. After the mass shooting massive amounts of helghan's are to move to the country in order to eventually make the country's race helghan.
New Age Empire troops marching: http://imgur.com/BX2Xwh8,Hxw19sZ
3rd panzer division ariving and waiting in a city: http://imgur.com/BX2Xwh8,Hxw19sZ#1

Do what you have to do. The lesser of two evils.

[Ardoki]

I would have to consult with my comrades, I don't have the authority to make any deals. However I feel that we must not concede defeat (especially to nazis), that would be bad for our reputation.

Ok, thanks
Thought I won't be a total defeat, and although all fair peaces leave a bitter taste, they are better than war.

I don't see how a divided nation is peace. However if we must, we shall have socialist, capitalist and nazi nations then.

[Ardoki]

So... somehow this is moral?

Do what you have to do. The lesser of two evils.

Okay... somehow genocide is the lesser evil?

[Valaran]

So... somehow this is moral?

Do what you have to do. The lesser of two evils.

No that's infinitely worse than socialism (socialism isn't even bad really, just prefer capitalism)

[Valaran]

Ok, thanks
Thought I won't be a total defeat, and although all fair peaces leave a bitter taste, they are better than war.

I don't see how a divided nation is peace. However if we must, we shall have socialist, capitalist and nazi nations then.

oh no one said a Nazi nation, that would be horrible. We can agree on that instantly

[Ardoki]

I don't see how a divided nation is peace. However if we must, we shall have socialist, capitalist and nazi nations then.

oh no one said a Nazi nation, that would be horrible

Oh, good. However a divided Molovinia would create a very unstable nation.

[Valaran]

oh no one said a Nazi nation, that would be horrible

Oh, good. However a divided Molovinia would create a very unstable nation.

personally I think war is more unstable and violent, especially with so many nations. Also, socialism and capitalism can both unify against Nazis so

[Asigna]

No that's infinitely worse than socialism (socialism isn't even bad really, just prefer capitalism)

I know, Ardoki can save more lives than we could evacuate them once a Nazi dictatorship climbs into power and suddenly starts doing shit. That's why a communist regime can be the answer to this problem.

As for the Capitalist rebels, they should be given right to exercise self determination on a split land like you discussed as for the Nazis, don't let them do anything. They are a grave danger.

[Ardoki]

No that's infinitely worse than socialism (socialism isn't even bad really, just prefer capitalism)

I know, Ardoki can save more lives than we could evacuate them once a Nazi dictatorship climbs into power and suddenly starts doing shit. That's why a communist regime can be the answer to this problem.

As for the Capitalist rebels, they should be given right to exercise self determination on a split land like you discussed as for the Nazis, don't let them do anything. They are a grave danger.

What?
I am confused. Are you now changing your position?

[Valaran]

No that's infinitely worse than socialism (socialism isn't even bad really, just prefer capitalism)

I know, Ardoki can save more lives than we could evacuate them once a Nazi dictatorship climbs into power and suddenly starts doing shit. That's why a communist regime can be the answer to this problem.

As for the Capitalist rebels, they should be given right to exercise self determination on a split land like you discussed as for the Nazis, don't let them do anything. They are a grave danger.

Yeah to the second line definitely (didn't understand the top one but doesn't matter)

[Ardoki]

Oh, good. However a divided Molovinia would create a very unstable nation.

personally I think war is more unstable and violent, especially with so many nations. Also, socialism and capitalism can both unify against Nazis so

Perhaps it would be just easier to annex Malovinia, or vassalise it.

[Asigna]

What?
I am confused. Are you now changing your position?

Let me say this.

Crush the Nazis! Respect to capitalists!

In that way, everyone can have their own peace and you are saving Malovinia.

[Ardoki]

What?
I am confused. Are you now changing your position?

Let me say this.

Crush the Nazis! Respect to capitalists!

In that way, everyone can have their own peace and you are saving Malovinia.

Perhaps it would be just easier to annex Malovinia, or vassalise it.

[Aeyariss]

Hmm, if its as a vassal, I can place them under Aeyariss protection.

[Valaran]

personally I think war is more unstable and violent, especially with so many nations. Also, socialism and capitalism can both unify against Nazis so

Perhaps it would be just easier to annex Malovinia, or vassalise it.

uhhh, what I was trying to kinda say is that it wouldn't really work - mass war
I mean I get where you are coming from, but that ain't no comprise that the other side can accept, while the splitting up is better overall

[Ardoki]

Hmm, if its as a vassal, I can place them under Aeyariss protection.

They would be a vassal of the Convist Union.

[Ardoki]

Perhaps it would be just easier to annex Malovinia, or vassalise it.

uhhh, what I was trying to kinda say is that it wouldn't really work - mass war
I mean I get where you are coming from, but that ain't no comprise that the other side can accept, while the splitting up is better overall

The splitting would cause more trouble in the long run.