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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:11 pm

Giliberafta wrote:I do have a question on the budget myself. How you suppose we get all of our revenue? We surely cant put more taxes to some of our people as some of our is.



I just give a small portion of my government budget to the IFA (its easier when spread over many members). Perhaps someone should calculate the budget divided by the members so each can see what they pay?
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:12 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:I do have a question on the budget myself. How you suppose we get all of our revenue? We surely cant put more taxes to some of our people as some of our is.

This to Val ^



replied lol :p
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:15 pm

Valaran wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:I do have a question on the budget myself. How you suppose we get all of our revenue? We surely cant put more taxes to some of our people as some of our is.



I just give a small portion of my government budget to the IFA (its easier when spread over many members). Perhaps someone should calculate the budget divided by the members so each can see what they pay?

I was trying to see a way in which the nation's government doesn't have to give away money, nor there cizitens. Maybe we can require nations with yearly supluses to give some of the money to the IFA. We can also creating a pact in which a percentage of tariff money must be given to the IFA.

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New Carloso
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Vangaziland
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Postby Vangaziland » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:19 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

I just give a small portion of my government budget to the IFA (its easier when spread over many members). Perhaps someone should calculate the budget divided by the members so each can see what they pay?

I was trying to see a way in which the nation's government doesn't have to give away money, nor there cizitens. Maybe we can require nations with yearly supluses to give some of the money to the IFA. We can also creating a pact in which a percentage of tariff money must be given to the IFA.


That's the whole thing with the IFA though, isn't it? The sacrifice of chipping in. Give what your nation can afford. Some nations are already footing the bill with the unbalanced number of soldiers.. Now we are asking some nations to give their surpluses to the IFA? I don't think it works like that.

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:23 pm

Vangaziland wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:I was trying to see a way in which the nation's government doesn't have to give away money, nor there cizitens. Maybe we can require nations with yearly supluses to give some of the money to the IFA. We can also creating a pact in which a percentage of tariff money must be given to the IFA.


That's the whole thing with the IFA though, isn't it? The sacrifice of chipping in. Give what your nation can afford. Some nations are already footing the bill with the unbalanced number of soldiers.. Now we are asking some nations to give their surpluses to the IFA? I don't think it works like that.

True. So, if I got this right, the budget's money is mainly composed of give-what-you-can money.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:23 pm

Vangaziland wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:I was trying to see a way in which the nation's government doesn't have to give away money, nor there cizitens. Maybe we can require nations with yearly supluses to give some of the money to the IFA. We can also creating a pact in which a percentage of tariff money must be given to the IFA.


That's the whole thing with the IFA though, isn't it? The sacrifice of chipping in. Give what your nation can afford. Some nations are already footing the bill with the unbalanced number of soldiers.. Now we are asking some nations to give their surpluses to the IFA? I don't think it works like that.



I think that small sum from each nation should be sufficient (perhaps the larger nations, and ministers like me can give a bit more). Like nothing too onerous, but everyone should contribute right?
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:24 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Vangaziland wrote:
That's the whole thing with the IFA though, isn't it? The sacrifice of chipping in. Give what your nation can afford. Some nations are already footing the bill with the unbalanced number of soldiers.. Now we are asking some nations to give their surpluses to the IFA? I don't think it works like that.

True. So, if I got this right, the budget's money is mainly composed of give-what-you-can money.



Basically yes.
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:27 pm

Valaran wrote:
Vangaziland wrote:
That's the whole thing with the IFA though, isn't it? The sacrifice of chipping in. Give what your nation can afford. Some nations are already footing the bill with the unbalanced number of soldiers.. Now we are asking some nations to give their surpluses to the IFA? I don't think it works like that.



I think that small sum from each nation should be sufficient (perhaps the larger nations, and ministers like me can give a bit more). Like nothing too onerous, but everyone should contribute right?

I think in the EU, its members must give up some of their salaries to the budget.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:58 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

I think that small sum from each nation should be sufficient (perhaps the larger nations, and ministers like me can give a bit more). Like nothing too onerous, but everyone should contribute right?

I think in the EU, its members must give up some of their salaries to the budget.



Yeah, I was basing it off that. But it should be something less onerous (considering how the EU payments aren't exactly liked at home)
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:00 pm

Valaran wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:I think in the EU, its members must give up some of their salaries to the budget.



Yeah, I was basing it off that. But it should be something less onerous (considering how the EU payments aren't exactly liked at home)

We need something in which we can be able to take advantage of and get money from it.

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Versail
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Postby Versail » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:00 pm

IFA slush funds you have too have a legit reason to access?
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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:01 pm

Versail wrote:IFA slush funds you have too have a legit reason to access?

YUP!

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:05 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Yeah, I was basing it off that. But it should be something less onerous (considering how the EU payments aren't exactly liked at home)

We need something in which we can be able to take advantage of and get money from it.



Make a sovereign wealth fund, like Norway then :P
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:06 pm

Valaran wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:We need something in which we can be able to take advantage of and get money from it.



Make a sovereign wealth fund, like Norway then :P

Excuse me? Explain.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:10 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Make a sovereign wealth fund, like Norway then :P

Excuse me? Explain.



They have an investment fund where they put in the revenue from the oil. This then creates interest and vast wealth by investing in companies (like normal investment funds). Norway's government then has a vast pot of money for whenever it needs (like if the oil dries up).

Our one could be for conflict, so if we have a massive war, then we use the cash/assets stored up in it. For peacetime though, the interest from it can be used the fund day-to-day IFA practices (like councils, etc).

This analysis is basic, and obviously interest alone couldn't do that much, but a massive war pot would be nice, and considering how large the NS world is, this fund could be quite large itself. It would also help reduce the burden of nations to pay for the IFA's stuff.
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I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:12 pm

Valaran wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:Excuse me? Explain.



They have an investment fund where they put in the revenue from the oil. This then creates interest and vast wealth by investing in companies (like normal investment funds). Norway's government then has a vast pot of money for whenever it needs (like if the oil dries up).

Our one could be for conflict, so if we have a massive war, then we use the cash/assets stored up in it. For peacetime though, the interest from it can be used the fund day-to-day IFA practices (like councils, etc).

This analysis is basic, and obviously interest alone couldn't do that much, but a massive war pot would be nice, and considering how large the NS world is, this fund could be quite large itself. It would also help reduce the burden of nations to pay for the IFA's stuff.

Giliberafta is rich in oil and coal. Plus, we barely use it. I guess we can do something like that then.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:14 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

They have an investment fund where they put in the revenue from the oil. This then creates interest and vast wealth by investing in companies (like normal investment funds). Norway's government then has a vast pot of money for whenever it needs (like if the oil dries up).

Our one could be for conflict, so if we have a massive war, then we use the cash/assets stored up in it. For peacetime though, the interest from it can be used the fund day-to-day IFA practices (like councils, etc).

This analysis is basic, and obviously interest alone couldn't do that much, but a massive war pot would be nice, and considering how large the NS world is, this fund could be quite large itself. It would also help reduce the burden of nations to pay for the IFA's stuff.

Giliberafta is rich in oil and coal. Plus, we barely use it. I guess we can do something like that then.



Well we can all help put in an initial starting fund form our various cash cows...and then watch it grow slowly.


Just an idea anyway (and good night)
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I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:15 pm

Valaran wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:Giliberafta is rich in oil and coal. Plus, we barely use it. I guess we can do something like that then.



Well we can all help put in an initial starting fund form our various cash cows...and then watch it grow slowly.

That partially solves that then. But we still need an efficent source.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:18 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Well we can all help put in an initial starting fund form our various cash cows...and then watch it grow slowly.

That partially solves that then. But we still need an efficent source.



I am happy to help fund some of the foreign IFA stuff, and I'm sure there are other volunteers... ask nations
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:18 pm

Valaran wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:That partially solves that then. But we still need an efficent source.



I am happy to help fund some of the foreign IFA stuff, and I'm sure there are other volunteers... ask nations

I will do that.

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Emmerian Republic
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Postby Emmerian Republic » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:20 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Well we can all help put in an initial starting fund form our various cash cows...and then watch it grow slowly.

That partially solves that then. But we still need an efficent source.

Don't rely too much on fossil fuels, that would only lead to a energy crisis. However, I would be able to fund some projects on reneable resource energy programs
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:20 pm

Giliberafta wrote:
Valaran wrote:

I am happy to help fund some of the foreign IFA stuff, and I'm sure there are other volunteers... ask nations

I will do that.



Done then :) (for now at least)

We have a rough plan of action.
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Giliberafta
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Postby Giliberafta » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:20 pm

Emmerian Republic wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:That partially solves that then. But we still need an efficent source.

Don't rely too much on fossil fuels, that would only lead to a energy crisis. However, I would be able to fund some projects on reneable resource energy programs

I mean money source.

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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:20 pm

Emmerian Republic wrote:
Giliberafta wrote:That partially solves that then. But we still need an efficent source.

Don't rely too much on fossil fuels, that would only lead to a energy crisis. However, I would be able to fund some projects on reneable resource energy programs



The reason he has fossil fuels in such abundance is that Gili mainly uses renewable stuff for his own nation :)
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I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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