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Bratislav
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Founded: May 03, 2013
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Postby Bratislav » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:36 pm

Thalsyer wrote:
Bratislav wrote:
My first choice in cooperation would be with the WC, no doubt. I never have promised nor stated that we will have cooperation with UAS. I said we were in an exploratory stage with many alliances including the UAS. We firstly want to assess the UAS, what their goals are, if they are moderate, and so forth. This goes for all the alliances that will be at the Summit.

As for the resolution, my impression was that it specifically targeted the OEN which was sympathetic to Fascist elements. Given that alliance dissolved, it makes the resolution difficult to implement, especially since it seems that UAS is supposed to be more moderate. Again everything is in an exploratory phase, there's nothing concrete yet.


Rules are rules. You made up the resolution.. not me. If I have to be the bearer then I will write up the resolution then. With your explanation dear leader it is most likely you just committed a minor offense. After the resolution about you, how about we repeal resolution 3 so it is not an issue anymore? :P


The problem is that it's a tricky technicality. If the OEN has disbanded officially, is it banned per the resolution to only talk with an ex-OEN nation that is in another alliance? Even if we talk about possibilities of cooperation, it's only talk and no concrete steps have been taken. I doubt just talking is something that is banned by that resolution. It's something we should keep in mind for future resolutions.
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Thalsyer
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 163
Founded: Mar 03, 2014
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Postby Thalsyer » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:36 pm

The United Motherland wrote:
Thalsyer wrote:
Rules are rules. You made up the resolution.. not me. If I have to be the bearer then I will write up the resolution then. With your explanation dear leader it is most likely you just committed a minor offense. After the resolution about you, how about we repeal resolution 3 so it is not an issue anymore? :P
I actually wrote the resolution.

But anyways, night.


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Bratislav wrote:
Thalsyer wrote:
Rules are rules. You made up the resolution.. not me. If I have to be the bearer then I will write up the resolution then. With your explanation dear leader it is most likely you just committed a minor offense. After the resolution about you, how about we repeal resolution 3 so it is not an issue anymore? :P


The problem is that it's a tricky technicality. If the OEN has disbanded officially, is it banned per the resolution to only talk with an ex-OEN nation that is in another alliance? Even if we talk about possibilities of cooperation, it's only talk and no concrete steps have been taken. I doubt just talking is something that is banned by that resolution. It's something we should keep in mind for future resolutions.


Talking is not banned in that resolution(I think) but the content of the discussion is publicly viewable. I read the conversation and in my view I interpreted the topic was violating resolution 3.
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Bratislav
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Founded: May 03, 2013
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Postby Bratislav » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:45 pm

Thalsyer wrote:
The United Motherland wrote:I actually wrote the resolution.

But anyways, night.


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Bratislav wrote:
The problem is that it's a tricky technicality. If the OEN has disbanded officially, is it banned per the resolution to only talk with an ex-OEN nation that is in another alliance? Even if we talk about possibilities of cooperation, it's only talk and no concrete steps have been taken. I doubt just talking is something that is banned by that resolution. It's something we should keep in mind for future resolutions.


Talking is not banned in that resolution(I think) but the content of the discussion is publicly viewable. I read the conversation and in my view I interpreted the topic was violating resolution 3.


But in my view, since nothing is on paper, signed, it makes any type of talk unofficial. But anyways, I'm going to put forth a different pact actually, more acceptable to our alliance.
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Vangaziland
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Posts: 3991
Founded: May 20, 2014
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Postby Vangaziland » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:49 pm

I think for a leader to discuss things with another nation should always be a legal option. We don't want to become too isolationist. Just as I as Foreign Minister might have to sometimes talk with alliances that we don't necessarily support. But the option to be diplomatic and listen should always be there.

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Great Britannia
Secretary
 
Posts: 26
Founded: Mar 30, 2013
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Postby Great Britannia » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:54 pm

Formal Country Name: The United Kingdoms of the British Isles
Capital: London
Population: 1.237 billion
Head of State: Queen-Empress Elizabeth the Second
Head of Government: Prime Minister Dominic Chandler
Form of Government: Unitary parliamentary constitutional federal monarchy with devolved legislatures.
Economic System: Mixed economy
Military Size (active): 4,800,900
Reason for Joining IFA: To be in league with other freedom-minded states and to prove the current administration's commitment to liberty of our own variation.
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center
Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives)? A government of the ruling monarch for and by his or her peoples. Power is possessed by the ruling monarch but is exercised by elected representatives.
What other military alliances are you a part of: None
Representative to the IFA Council: Ewan Franklin
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Bratislav
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Founded: May 03, 2013
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Postby Bratislav » Sun Jun 15, 2014 12:04 am

Vangaziland wrote:I think for a leader to discuss things with another nation should always be a legal option. We don't want to become too isolationist. Just as I as Foreign Minister might have to sometimes talk with alliances that we don't necessarily support. But the option to be diplomatic and listen should always be there.


Exactly. All nations talk with each other, even ones that have sanctions find a way to communicate.
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Valaran
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Posts: 21211
Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:33 am

The New United States wrote:Formal Country Name: The Republic of the New United States
Capital: New Columbia
Population: 14,603,429
Head of State: President Amerigo Apostolakos
Head of Government: President Amerigo Apostolakos
Form of Government: Federal-Republic
Economic System: Free-Market
Military Size (active): 102,400
Reason for Joining IFA: In order to support my brothers in the fight for freedom and democracy around the world.
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Right-wing, as there is no considerable left-wing presence.
Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives)? Yes, through elected representatives.
What other military alliances are you a part of: None
Representative to the IFA Council: Martin William English, Foreign Service Officer, Department of Foreign Affairs, The New United States



By the way, its good to see you here :)

(Things are a bit tense now alliance wise so sorry for all the arguments)


Have you been accepted yet?
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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:34 am

Vangaziland wrote:I think for a leader to discuss things with another nation should always be a legal option. We don't want to become too isolationist. Just as I as Foreign Minister might have to sometimes talk with alliances that we don't necessarily support. But the option to be diplomatic and listen should always be there.



^This. I always at least talk to other, potentially hostile alliances.
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:43 am

Also uh, Brat, don't mean intrude or anything, but there are 3-4 applications which have been left hanging. I brought one to the most recent page, but there are a few others. Could we, uh accept/decline them before they all get lost in the sea of comments?

(just asking)
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Libraria and Ausitoria
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7099
Founded: May 30, 2011
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:06 am

Ever since the OEN has disbanded, Ausitoria has been following the resolution in question to the letter of the law. (I.e., doing nothing). If we want a different resolution, we must obviously pass a different resolution.
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Jordslag
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Posts: 7886
Founded: Jun 05, 2014
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Postby Jordslag » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:22 am

Brat and TUM, I am so sorry about how rude my guys are. We do only want to stop the growth of a Communism, but apparently some of my guys became hard liners on that... Anyways, I hope that you don't stop the summit. I just want a clean slate. And, by the way, I had NO Idea that they started a new axis. That's all, please don't be angry at them.

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Victoriala
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Posts: 4772
Founded: Feb 24, 2012
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Postby Victoriala » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:24 am

Formal Country Name: Holy Rajahnate of Sri Bakaya
Capital: Rembaja
Population: See IIwiki
Head of State: Sri Puraw Vardhana
Head of Government: Sri Puraw Vardhana
Form of Government: Federal Unicameral Constitunal Monarchy
Economic System: Mixed
Military Size (active): 200,000 estimate
Reason for Joining IFA: As a mediator between six alliances.
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center Left.
Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives): Yes.
What other military alliances are you a part of:
Representative to the IFA Council: Sri Kaurava Pilasu
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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:29 am

Victoriala wrote:Formal Country Name: Holy Rajahnate of Sri Bakaya
Capital: Rembaja
Population: See IIwiki
Head of State: Sri Puraw Vardhana
Head of Government: Sri Puraw Vardhana
Form of Government: Federal Unicameral Constitunal Monarchy
Economic System: Mixed
Military Size (active): 200,000 estimate
Reason for Joining IFA: As a mediator between six alliances.
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center Left.
Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives): Yes.
What other military alliances are you a part of:
Representative to the IFA Council: Sri Kaurava Pilasu



You might have to wait a little time before acceptance but hi there :)
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I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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The New United States
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 193
Founded: Jun 15, 2013
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Postby The New United States » Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:49 am

Valaran wrote:By the way, its good to see you here :)

(Things are a bit tense now alliance wise so sorry for all the arguments)


Have you been accepted yet?


Thanks! Good to be here. :)

Nope, not yet, unfortunately. Y'all appear to be busy with some sort of crisis, though, so it's understandable.

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Maharo
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1191
Founded: Aug 23, 2013
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Postby Maharo » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:00 am

Formal Country Name: The Wolf Republic of Maharo
Capital: Aezio City
Population: 1.6 billion
Head of State: President Manuel Nepomuceno
Head of Government: same as above
Form of Government: democratic republic
Economic System: capitalist
Military Size (active): 1.3
Reason for Joining IFA: We believe in the freedom of the people and it is our duty to defend it
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center
Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives)? Elected representatives.
What other military alliances are you a part of: OAN and ICC
Representative to the IFA Council: Daniel Cuenca
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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:27 am

Maharo wrote:Formal Country Name: The Wolf Republic of Maharo
Capital: Aezio City
Population: 1.6 billion
Head of State: President Manuel Nepomuceno
Head of Government: same as above
Form of Government: democratic republic
Economic System: capitalist
Military Size (active): 1.3
Reason for Joining IFA: We believe in the freedom of the people and it is our duty to defend it
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center
Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives)? Elected representatives.
What other military alliances are you a part of: OAN and ICC
Representative to the IFA Council: Daniel Cuenca



Part of the OAN? The IFA is neutral, but not exactly friendly with them (yet). Should be ok.....
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Asigna
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Posts: 13543
Founded: Aug 24, 2013
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Postby Asigna » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:28 am

Valaran wrote:
Maharo wrote:Formal Country Name: The Wolf Republic of Maharo
Capital: Aezio City
Population: 1.6 billion
Head of State: President Manuel Nepomuceno
Head of Government: same as above
Form of Government: democratic republic
Economic System: capitalist
Military Size (active): 1.3
Reason for Joining IFA: We believe in the freedom of the people and it is our duty to defend it
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center
Is your Government by the people (exercised either directly or through elected representatives)? Elected representatives.
What other military alliances are you a part of: OAN and ICC
Representative to the IFA Council: Daniel Cuenca



Part of the OAN? The IFA is neutral, but not exactly friendly with them (yet). Should be ok.....



Someday, later, let us begin our friendship.
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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:30 am

Asigna wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Part of the OAN? The IFA is neutral, but not exactly friendly with them (yet). Should be ok.....



Someday, later, let us begin our friendship.


Yeah, but's that ain't up to me ... Besides, it can probably only happen once the crisis dies down.
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Asigna
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Founded: Aug 24, 2013
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Postby Asigna » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:32 am

Valaran wrote:
Asigna wrote:

Someday, later, let us begin our friendship.


Yeah, but's that ain't up to me ... Besides, it can probably only happen once the crisis dies down.


Forget the crisis. Let us not make something irrelevant prevent us from dancing and singing with one another.

Oh, life is good.
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Erian: If you are gay (like me) and looking, PM me. ;/\) (SO I CAN PRAY YOUR SOUL BURNS IN HELL) Kekekekek. No straighty and no wamen. I want no pussycats.

The Filipino dude is a Mangotreestian, yes, he is a believer in the gospel of the mango tree. The one true religion.
Totalitarian Theocracy
THE GREATER PHILIPPINE BAYAN
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THE HOMELAND TERRITORIES - foreign affairs
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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:34 am

Asigna wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Yeah, but's that ain't up to me ... Besides, it can probably only happen once the crisis dies down.


Forget the crisis. Let us not make something irrelevant prevent us from dancing and singing with one another.

Oh, life is good.



well the prospect of a mass regional war isn't irrelevant (especially since everyone wants us to pick sides), but yeah life is good :)
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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The United Motherland
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Posts: 9431
Founded: Sep 10, 2013
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Postby The United Motherland » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:38 am

Valaran wrote:
Asigna wrote:
Forget the crisis. Let us not make something irrelevant prevent us from dancing and singing with one another.

Oh, life is good.



well the prospect of a mass regional war isn't irrelevant (especially since everyone wants us to pick sides), but yeah life is good :)

Indeed.

*Stares Val down because he's a close ally*

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Asigna
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Founded: Aug 24, 2013
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Postby Asigna » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:48 am

Valaran wrote:
Asigna wrote:
Forget the crisis. Let us not make something irrelevant prevent us from dancing and singing with one another.

Oh, life is good.



well the prospect of a mass regional war isn't irrelevant (especially since everyone wants us to pick sides), but yeah life is good :)


We don't want no wars. Soon though we would discuss about further cooperation in the next summit, can't arrive now. With the approval of Bratislav.
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Erian: If you are gay (like me) and looking, PM me. ;/\) (SO I CAN PRAY YOUR SOUL BURNS IN HELL) Kekekekek. No straighty and no wamen. I want no pussycats.

The Filipino dude is a Mangotreestian, yes, he is a believer in the gospel of the mango tree. The one true religion.
Totalitarian Theocracy
THE GREATER PHILIPPINE BAYAN
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THE HOMELAND TERRITORIES - foreign affairs
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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:55 am

Asigna wrote:
Valaran wrote:

well the prospect of a mass regional war isn't irrelevant (especially since everyone wants us to pick sides), but yeah life is good :)


We don't want no wars. Soon though we would discuss about further cooperation in the next summit, can't arrive now. With the approval of Bratislav.



No worries :) We don't want any wars either (even if we don't fight, its still bad). Yeah talk to Brat at the summit
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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Asigna
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Founded: Aug 24, 2013
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Postby Asigna » Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:57 am

Valaran wrote:
Asigna wrote:
We don't want no wars. Soon though we would discuss about further cooperation in the next summit, can't arrive now. With the approval of Bratislav.



No worries :) We don't want any wars either (even if we don't fight, its still bad). Yeah talk to Brat at the summit


Brat's asleep. I too should sleep.
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Erian: If you are gay (like me) and looking, PM me. ;/\) (SO I CAN PRAY YOUR SOUL BURNS IN HELL) Kekekekek. No straighty and no wamen. I want no pussycats.

The Filipino dude is a Mangotreestian, yes, he is a believer in the gospel of the mango tree. The one true religion.
Totalitarian Theocracy
THE GREATER PHILIPPINE BAYAN
Hukbo/Military -
THE HOMELAND TERRITORIES - foreign affairs
Visit our nation! - Asigna TV - Know the Light of Heaven

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Valaran
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Founded: May 25, 2014
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Postby Valaran » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:01 am

Asigna wrote:
Valaran wrote:

No worries :) We don't want any wars either (even if we don't fight, its still bad). Yeah talk to Brat at the summit


Brat's asleep. I too should sleep.



Indeed, night :)
I used to run an alliance, and a region. Not that it matters now.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire

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