International Coalition for Expansion [MT|Open]

[Doppio Giudici]

Nation Name: The Martial People's Imperium of Raziac
National Leader(s): President Jake Thatcher, First Lady Ezra Thatcher
National/Most Common Religion: Atheism
Government Form: Democratic Republic
Military Strength: Total military size clocks in at 9,070,000 personnel in the official armed forces, with an extra 162,323,471 people in the compulsory Home Defense force, which is basically a compulsory militia.
Main Infantry Weapon: AUG A3, with the L-96 doing sniper duty. All troops are armed with a fully automatic 9mm Glock 17
Main Battle Tank: T-90
Main Fighter Plane: A-10 Thunderbolt II, with the F-16 doing air-to-air
Main Naval Warships: N/A, but in the past army groups have looted ships and converted them into ad-hoc fleets.
Infantry Calibers Used: 7.62x45mm for the AUG, and .308 for the L-96
Military Service Branches:
Razian Army (Deals with land engagements, but has a small division of A-10's and T-90's),
Razian Armored Forces (The bulk of the T-90's and combat engineers)
Razian Airforce (A-10's, AC-130's, all aircraft and airborne troops come from this branch)
Razian Home Defense Militia (All who are able must join, on penalty of two years solitary confinement. Note that this is only called upon when Raziac is being directly assaulted, and training schedules do not interfere with normal work schedules)
Infantry Body Armor: Interceptor Body Armor, as well as the C-23 helmet
serves as the main armor, however stealth or kinetic specialists are issued the CF-34 kevlar upper body suit.
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: Yes.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: NA
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: No.
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: Yes, in the form of T-90's or Stryker APC's. Amount variable.
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: A navy?
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Kgynak desert (technically arid mountains), Vyonan wetlands (totally freezes at night, thawing around midday before beginning to freeze again), Restricted District 9 (radioactive urban environment, filled with hostile wildlife).
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We have the Olympia station (check factbook for more info)
Membership Type: Security

Government Form: Democratic Republic
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo

You'll notice that nations with that kind of name tend to far from "free" on average. Just pointing that out.

Military Strength: Total military size clocks in at 9,070,000 personnel in the official armed forces, with an extra 162,323,471 people in the compulsory Home Defense force, which is basically a compulsory militia.

.....Those numbers are crazy, mainly the second one. The first one points to conscription and the second one points to insanity.

Main Infantry Weapon: AUG A3, with the L-96 doing sniper duty. All troops are armed with a fully automatic 9mm Glock 17
I know that the AUG can't fire 7.62 NATO, but you wanted something different and that's okay. What isn't okay is how you called the Glock 17 fully automatic when it's the Glock 18 that is. Also I know a lot of people who accidentally shot themselves with their Glocks, it has a crappy safety mechanism.

[Arthurista]

Yes, but I'm just a little concerned about it from a logistics standpoint. Wouldn't it be easier to use a light machine gun in the 7.62x39mm round, instead of having squads needing 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm and 7.62x51mm rounds shipped to them for each individual mission? I can sorta understand having 5.56mm for just special forces, but from a logistics standpoint the amount of different cartridges seems a bit extensive and would cause a bit of a headache. Just personal input, really.

This was debated in the Grand Council, but the only 7.62x39 LMG found on the market when we offered the tender was the RPK, and we did not like it.

RPD?

Also, see this.

[Romberg]

We rejected the RPD outright because its performance did not match our requirements, and unfortunately since we are currently manufacturing our own weapons (already heavily modified from originals) we are currently not in need of a new set of weapons.

[Doppio Giudici]

Nation Name: Loufe
National Leader(s): Supreme Leader Volkon
National/Most Common Religion: Outlawed
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.) Communist
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one) Tracker, http://www.nstracker.net/loufe&page=military
Main Infantry Weapon: M4-A1
Main Battle Tank: T-90A/S
Main Fighter Plane: Sukhoi Su-25
Main Naval Warships: (Roleplay) The LOU Barbaric, and LOU Indian
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62x39mm
Military Service Branches: http://www.nstracker.net/loufe&page=military
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Kevlar
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x39mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: CRECA, LACON
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations. Please specify amount) 10 billion Luveinian Krowns every year
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: (all rifles/LMGs etc. should be chambered for 6.5 Grendel/ICE) No
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) No
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Mountains of Nixca
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: Nothing really.
Membership Type: (Humanitarian, Security, Full/Dual) Security

National/Most Common Religion: Outlawed
Rule number one: Something about how freedom of religion should be for all.
Pretty sure you don't follow that rule.

Main Infantry Weapon: M4-A1
No range, crappy stopping power. Try the HK-416, it's the same gun only with most the problems fixed. THANKS GERMANY!

Main Battle Tank: T-90A/S
Oh, so you have variants of your tanks, now that is cool. Still....no freedom of religion is kinda a red flag.

[Arthurista]

Nation Name: Loufe
National Leader(s): Supreme Leader Volkon
National/Most Common Religion: Outlawed
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.) Communist
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one) Tracker, http://www.nstracker.net/loufe&page=military
Main Infantry Weapon: M4-A1
Main Battle Tank: T-90A/S
Main Fighter Plane: Sukhoi Su-25
Main Naval Warships: (Roleplay) The LOU Barbaric, and LOU Indian
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62x39mm
Military Service Branches: http://www.nstracker.net/loufe&page=military
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Kevlar
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x39mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: CRECA, LACON
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations. Please specify amount) 10 billion Luveinian Krowns every year
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: (all rifles/LMGs etc. should be chambered for 6.5 Grendel/ICE) No
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) No
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Mountains of Nixca
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: Nothing really.
Membership Type: (Humanitarian, Security, Full/Dual) Security

National/Most Common Religion: Outlawed
Rule number one: Something about how freedom of religion should be for all.
Pretty sure you don't follow that rule.

Main Infantry Weapon: M4-A1
No range, crappy stopping power. Try the HK-416, it's the same gun only with most the problems fixed. THANKS GERMANY!

Main Battle Tank: T-90A/S
Oh, so you have variants of your tanks, now that is cool. Still....no freedom of religion is kinda a red flag.

Not to mention that SU-25 isn't a fighter. It's the Russian equivalent of the A-10 minus the big cannon. Without adequate air cover they'll be massacred by any real fighter more modern than a Mig-17.

[Virana]

Main Infantry Weapon: M4-A1
No range, crappy stopping power. Try the HK-416, it's the same gun only with most the problems fixed. THANKS GERMANY!

HK416 has the same barrel length and same round/caliber as the M4A1. The only big difference is that it uses a piston-operated system rather than direct impingement. Piston driven systems are actually slightly less accurate, but they're mechanically simpler and thus generally more reliable.

Stopping power is pretty much the same between the two weapons. Apparently the US Army's newest variant of the 5.56 NATO round fixes stopping power issues, but that could be used with either system. M4A1 is a perfectly fine rifle to use as your MMW, it's the US Army's service rifle. And HK416 is fuckexpensive.

As for Loufe, Doppio's hit the mark with the freedom of religion issue. I'm not part of ICE anymore but if there's anyone who understands ICE's policies, it's me (having once been executive commander of the organization). I'll quote ICE's charter, which you can find on the OP, and which you probably should've read before submitting your application.

Allow the freedom to practice any non-violent religion, such as, but not limited to, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Sihkism and Hinduism

Although I don't have the responsibility or power to make a decision here, ICESC members like Doppio and Arthurista above have that power and I'm confident they can make the right decision and help you out on that one.

[Arthurista]

After skimming through the charter further, we have found that the Keystone Federation must withdraw from the International Coalition for Expansion due to confliction with the Charter and the Federation's own "Union Restriction Act" which even after a long attempt at repeal and even Condemnation over it's release to the world, has stayed it's place. Placed in the charter it states specifically that ICE is against the prohibition of homosexual marriage, and so, to prevent any future conflict with these conditions, we hereby withdraw ourselves from the International Coalition for Expansion.

The Charter states that "Nations with strong religious backgrounds may however prohibit gay marriages, marriages to animals, inanimate objects etcetera in order to prevent ICE from infringing on their religious sovereignty and freedoms;"

I can't really see what the problem is, except maybe that the derogation is premised only on religious grounds, thus preventing nations citing secular reasons against gay marriage from invoking it (although I really can't think of any non-religious reasons for that off the cuff).

Maybe change the wording to "religious, social or philosophical grounds"? That, in itself, raises questions on how far should we take the ICE's pro-liberties line.


I agree with Virana in that we shouldn't admit effectively-Stalinist nations which persecute religions. But then again, is there any logical reason why we should single out religion? Shouldn't we deny the application from all nations which refuse to protect any fundamental human right?

[Doppio Giudici]

Main Infantry Weapon: M4-A1
No range, crappy stopping power. Try the HK-416, it's the same gun only with most the problems fixed. THANKS GERMANY!

HK416 has the same barrel length and same round/caliber as the M4A1. The only big difference is that it uses a piston-operated system rather than direct impingement. Piston driven systems are actually slightly less accurate, but they're mechanically simpler and thus generally more reliable.

Stopping power is pretty much the same between the two weapons. Apparently the US Army's newest variant of the 5.56 NATO round fixes stopping power issues, but that could be used with either system. M4A1 is a perfectly fine rifle to use as your MMW, it's the US Army's service rifle. And HK416 is fuckexpensive.

As for Loufe, Doppio's hit the mark with the freedom of religion issue. I'm not part of ICE anymore but if there's anyone who understands ICE's policies, it's me (having once been executive commander of the organization). I'll quote ICE's charter, which you can find on the OP, and which you probably should've read before submitting your application.

Allow the freedom to practice any non-violent religion, such as, but not limited to, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Sihkism and Hinduism

Although I don't have the responsibility or power to make a decision here, ICESC members like Doppio and Arthurista above have that power and I'm confident they can make the right decision and help you out on that one.

I'm talking about the noise and flash, which are really bad on the M4. I admit the range on the HK416 is bad, but I prefer the longer barrels anyways. Perhaps 16 inch? However cost is an issue, but your using the ACR or at least were at some point. I think we should ignore cost in this case or point him to something else.

[Virana]

Although I don't have the responsibility or power to make a decision here, ICESC members like Doppio and Arthurista above have that power and I'm confident they can make the right decision and help you out on that one.

I'm talking about the noise and flash, which are really bad on the M4. I admit the range on the HK416 is bad, but I prefer the longer barrels anyways. Perhaps 16 inch? However cost is an issue, but your using the ACR or at least were at some point. I think we should ignore cost in this case or point him to something else.[/quote]
I know I'm using an expensive system. If he wants to use a cheaper system it's entirely alright in my opinion - M4A1 is a very underrated weapon to be honest. Are there better available? Of course. Is it still a great weapon? Definitely.

And I wouldn't necessarily say the range of an HK416 is bad, but it's not an improvement over an M4. If you had 16 in barrel it would have a longer range (same if you put a 16 in barrel on an M4), and that barrel length is actually a great middle ground between shorter 14.5" and longer 18-20".

Noise and flash are issues that could be fixed by simply changing the muzzle device. I wouldn't imagine the HK416 being much different in that respect than an M4.

In the end it depends on his requirements - if he's worried about cost, M4A1 is probably a far better choice than an HK416. But if cost isn't a problem and he's looking for the absolute best AR-15 carbine on the market, it's a toss-up between HK416, Robinson XCR, and a host of other very fine rifles.

[Doppio Giudici]

Although I don't have the responsibility or power to make a decision here, ICESC members like Doppio and Arthurista above have that power and I'm confident they can make the right decision and help you out on that one.

I'm talking about the noise and flash, which are really bad on the M4. I admit the range on the HK416 is bad, but I prefer the longer barrels anyways. Perhaps 16 inch? However cost is an issue, but your using the ACR or at least were at some point. I think we should ignore cost in this case or point him to something else.

I know I'm using an expensive system. If he wants to use a cheaper system it's entirely alright in my opinion - M4A1 is a very underrated weapon to be honest. Are there better available? Of course. Is it still a great weapon? Definitely.

And I wouldn't necessarily say the range of an HK416 is bad, but it's not an improvement over an M4. If you had 16 in barrel it would have a longer range (same if you put a 16 in barrel on an M4), and that barrel length is actually a great middle ground between shorter 14.5" and longer 18-20".

Noise and flash are issues that could be fixed by simply changing the muzzle device. I wouldn't imagine the HK416 being much different in that respect than an M4.

In the end it depends on his requirements - if he's worried about cost, M4A1 is probably a far better choice than an HK416. But if cost isn't a problem and he's looking for the absolute best AR-15 carbine on the market, it's a toss-up between HK416, Robinson XCR, and a host of other very fine rifles.[/quote]

Or he could by my version which solves all those problems and is highly customizable? Just saying.

Vir, what your opinion on me being in the security council? Do you think I'm ready?

[Phonencia]

Nation Name: The Martial People's Imperium of Raziac
National Leader(s): President Jake Thatcher, First Lady Ezra Thatcher
National/Most Common Religion: Atheism
Government Form: Democratic Republic
Military Strength: Total military size clocks in at 9,070,000 personnel in the official armed forces, with an extra 162,323,471 people in the compulsory Home Defense force, which is basically a compulsory militia.
Main Infantry Weapon: AUG A3, with the L-96 doing sniper duty. All troops are armed with a fully automatic 9mm Glock 17
Main Battle Tank: T-90
Main Fighter Plane: A-10 Thunderbolt II, with the F-16 doing air-to-air
Main Naval Warships: N/A, but in the past army groups have looted ships and converted them into ad-hoc fleets.
Infantry Calibers Used: 7.62x45mm for the AUG, and .308 for the L-96
Military Service Branches:
Razian Army (Deals with land engagements, but has a small division of A-10's and T-90's),
Razian Armored Forces (The bulk of the T-90's and combat engineers)
Razian Airforce (A-10's, AC-130's, all aircraft and airborne troops come from this branch)
Razian Home Defense Militia (All who are able must join, on penalty of two years solitary confinement. Note that this is only called upon when Raziac is being directly assaulted, and training schedules do not interfere with normal work schedules)
Infantry Body Armor: Interceptor Body Armor, as well as the C-23 helmet
serves as the main armor, however stealth or kinetic specialists are issued the CF-34 kevlar upper body suit.
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: Yes.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: NA
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: No.
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: Yes, in the form of T-90's or Stryker APC's. Amount variable.
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: A navy?
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Kgynak desert (technically arid mountains), Vyonan wetlands (totally freezes at night, thawing around midday before beginning to freeze again), Restricted District 9 (radioactive urban environment, filled with hostile wildlife).
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We have the Olympia station (check factbook for more info)
Membership Type: Security

Government Form: Democratic Republic
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo

You'll notice that nations with that kind of name tend to far from "free" on average. Just pointing that out.

Military Strength: Total military size clocks in at 9,070,000 personnel in the official armed forces, with an extra 162,323,471 people in the compulsory Home Defense force, which is basically a compulsory militia.

.....Those numbers are crazy, mainly the second one. The first one points to conscription and the second one points to insanity.

Main Infantry Weapon: AUG A3, with the L-96 doing sniper duty. All troops are armed with a fully automatic 9mm Glock 17
I know that the AUG can't fire 7.62 NATO, but you wanted something different and that's okay. What isn't okay is how you called the Glock 17 fully automatic when it's the Glock 18 that is. Also I know a lot of people who accidentally shot themselves with their Glocks, it has a crappy safety mechanism.

Glock's don't have traditional safeties because they're fighting pistols meant to be used by trained personnel. If your military is so fucktarded it can't stop shooting itself in the foot, it needs to be disbanded yesterday. I've shot Glocks all my life and I've NEVER had a negligent discharge. I'm fifteen. Both my brothers have shot Glocks all their lives (27 and 35) and they've also never had a negligent discharge. If your friends accidentally shoot themselves with their Glocks, they don't need to have a gun period.

[Doppio Giudici]

Government Form: Democratic Republic
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo

You'll notice that nations with that kind of name tend to far from "free" on average. Just pointing that out.

Military Strength: Total military size clocks in at 9,070,000 personnel in the official armed forces, with an extra 162,323,471 people in the compulsory Home Defense force, which is basically a compulsory militia.

.....Those numbers are crazy, mainly the second one. The first one points to conscription and the second one points to insanity.

Main Infantry Weapon: AUG A3, with the L-96 doing sniper duty. All troops are armed with a fully automatic 9mm Glock 17
I know that the AUG can't fire 7.62 NATO, but you wanted something different and that's okay. What isn't okay is how you called the Glock 17 fully automatic when it's the Glock 18 that is. Also I know a lot of people who accidentally shot themselves with their Glocks, it has a crappy safety mechanism.

Glock's don't have traditional safeties because they're fighting pistols meant to be used by trained personnel. If your military is so fucktarded it can't stop shooting itself in the foot, it needs to be disbanded yesterday. I've shot Glocks all my life and I've NEVER had a negligent discharge. I'm fifteen. Both my brothers have shot Glocks all their lives (27 and 35) and they've also never had a negligent discharge. If your friends accidentally shoot themselves with their Glocks, they don't need to have a gun period.

The people I'm talking about are all in the military, I was speaking of my father's old coworkers. Yes, the US Army literly has personal that stupid and I'm pretty sure all miliataries do. So all handguns need to be idiot-proof.

[Itailian Maifias]

Nation Name: The Principality of Romberg
National Leader(s): Kaiser Hans Jerkov II
National/Most Common Religion: Worship of the Nine divines
Government Form: Social democratic semi-constitutional monarchy
Military Strength: 5 million active, with up to 25 million reserves.
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=romberg/detail=factbook It is divided into several articles.

All weapons below are locally produced and improved variants.

Main Infantry Weapon: IAR rifle (SNDI ASR61), SFR (SNDI ABAR 7 carbine) for special forces (1st, 2nd, 3rd and 10th armies).
Main Battle Tank: MTS series (General Chassis Defense FAV series, local model)
Main Fighter Plane: ASF (Titan Aerospace ZF-2) Air Superiority Fighter, MRF (Titan Aerospace ZF-12) multirole fighter
Main Naval Warships: HAC (Halcyon Arms Citadel-class) aircraft carrier x3, HDT (Halcyon Arms Templar-class) heavy destroyer x14, SDT (Triumvirate Enterprises Karzelek Class) destroyer x 50, with more produced, NSM (Halcyon Arms Legacy class) nuclear submarine x14
Infantry Calibers Used: 7.62 Russian, 9mm para, 7.62 NATO, 5.56 NATO, .50BMG, .45 ACP, 12 gauge, 40x46mm grenades, 40x53mm grenades
Military Service Branches: Integrated armed forces with ground force, air force and naval components. Military Police not part of Imperial Armed Forces, but treated as such
Infantry Body Armor: Locally made, full suit including ballistic vest, helmet and other parts.
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: No, but the round is produced locally.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes, but only in support roles, or counterinsurgency/peacekeeping missions.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: Royal Alliance of United Monarchies, Edges of Freedom Organization, observer in Pan Slavic Union State
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: NS$ 10 billion per annum
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: Food, fuel, 6.5mm ammunition
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: No.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate:We already have training centres in the mountainous central region, as well as the frigid Northern tundra. Both are free to use.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: Bound by constitution, we are not allowed to participate in offensive operations against other countries, hence we can only take support roles or counterinsurgency/peacekeeping operations. We will also not support any conflict against any members in the region.
Membership Type: Dual

Provisionally Accepted; As a observer state of the ICE. This conclusion was reached due to several factors, chiefly due to the fact that you are bound by your laws not to partake in offensive operations. This goes against one of the core values of the alliance, but we recognize a helping hand and thus grant you membership with a review in one month to consider the option for upgrade to full membership.

Nation Name: Loufe
National Leader(s): Supreme Leader Volkon
National/Most Common Religion: Outlawed
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.) Communist
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one) Tracker, http://www.nstracker.net/loufe&page=military
Main Infantry Weapon: M4-A1
Main Battle Tank: T-90A/S
Main Fighter Plane: Sukhoi Su-25
Main Naval Warships: (Roleplay) The LOU Barbaric, and LOU Indian
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) 7.62x39mm
Military Service Branches: http://www.nstracker.net/loufe&page=military
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Kevlar
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x39mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: CRECA, LACON
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations. Please specify amount) 10 billion Luveinian Krowns every year
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: (all rifles/LMGs etc. should be chambered for 6.5 Grendel/ICE) No
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) No
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Mountains of Nixca
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: Nothing really.
Membership Type: (Humanitarian, Security, Full/Dual) Security

Accepted

Nation Name: Liberated Counties
National Leader(s): GOVCON
National/Most Common Religion: Secular
Government form: Capitalism
Military Strength: (listed below)
Total Military: 6,248,000
Army: 3,124,000
Navy: 1,249,600 (98 Naval Squadrons)
Air: 1,874,400 (147 Air Wings)
Spec Ops: 18,000
Main Infantry Weapon: Sar-21
Main Battle Tank: MKIII-Hellraiser Battle Tank
Main Fighter Plane: Hornet air superiority fighter.
Main Naval Warships: Type 43 Guided Missile Destroyer
Infantry Calibers Used: 5.56x45mm
Military Service Branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, Special Ops, Coast Guard.
Infantry Body Armor: Ballistic Battlesuit
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: Yes.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: Nations Allied In Straadia.
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: Yes.
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: Will provide peacekeepers when the situation requires them.
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: Access to a Artic Training Facility.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes. GOVCON possesses a life-sized Urban Warfare Simulation Zone, Is willing to allow other nations to use it.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: Literally everything is corporate owned, even the government. We are extremely rich since we are not bound by any true government attempting to regulate business. We always offer economic and humanitarian aid to whoever needs it depending on wether or not we feel that they need it. We are also very loyal allies to whoever treats us equally and friendly.
Membership type: Full/Dual

Accepted; ICE leadership will be in touch soon to arrange access to a arctic training facility. In addition, you've been added to the list of nations for training facilities for the ICM and peacekeepers of the ICHB

Nation Name: The Martial People's Imperium of Raziac
National Leader(s): President Jake Thatcher, First Lady Ezra Thatcher
National/Most Common Religion: Atheism
Government Form: Democratic Republic
Military Strength: Total military size clocks in at 9,070,000 personnel in the official armed forces, with an extra 162,323,471 people in the compulsory Home Defense force, which is basically a compulsory militia.
Main Infantry Weapon: AUG A3, with the L-96 doing sniper duty. All troops are armed with a fully automatic 9mm Glock 17
Main Battle Tank: T-90
Main Fighter Plane: A-10 Thunderbolt II, with the F-16 doing air-to-air
Main Naval Warships: N/A, but in the past army groups have looted ships and converted them into ad-hoc fleets.
Infantry Calibers Used: 7.62x45mm for the AUG, and .308 for the L-96
Military Service Branches:
Razian Army (Deals with land engagements, but has a small division of A-10's and T-90's),
Razian Armored Forces (The bulk of the T-90's and combat engineers)
Razian Airforce (A-10's, AC-130's, all aircraft and airborne troops come from this branch)
Razian Home Defense Militia (All who are able must join, on penalty of two years solitary confinement. Note that this is only called upon when Raziac is being directly assaulted, and training schedules do not interfere with normal work schedules)
Infantry Body Armor: Interceptor Body Armor, as well as the C-23 helmet
serves as the main armor, however stealth or kinetic specialists are issued the CF-34 kevlar upper body suit.
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: Yes.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: NA
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: No.
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: Yes, in the form of T-90's or Stryker APC's. Amount variable.
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: A navy?
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Kgynak desert (technically arid mountains), Vyonan wetlands (totally freezes at night, thawing around midday before beginning to freeze again), Restricted District 9 (radioactive urban environment, filled with hostile wildlife).
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We have the Olympia station (check factbook for more info)
Membership Type: Security

Accepted

[Doppio Giudici]

Um, his or her nation violates the charter. That means they can't be accepted if I remember correctly...remember? I wasn't the only one that pointed that out.

EDIT. I'm withdrawing my support from this organization if something isn't done about this, if the alliance doesn't support it's own laws it's not worth fighting for.

[Itailian Maifias]

Um, his or her nation violates the charter. That means they can't be accepted if I remember correctly...remember? I wasn't the only one that pointed that out.

EDIT. I'm withdrawing my support from this organization if something isn't done about this, if the alliance doesn't support it's own laws it's not worth fighting for.

Temperamental much?

Last time I checked the Charter, not supporting offensive operations doesn't violate the Charter, though if you want to double check for me Doppio that'd be great.

[Romberg]

I think he's referring to Loufe and lack of religious freedom.

I just did a background check and you check out for the most part.

Doppio didn't have an issue with my nation.

[Jinwoy]

Nation Name: The Grand Chainlands of Jinwoy
National Leader(s): President (The Grand Honourable style) Raya Minibunh
National/Most Common Religion: Protestantism (Christianity)
Government Form: Socialist-Style Democracy
Military Strength:
(realised I wasn't in the WA for some reason, I am just to clarify)
Main Infantry Weapon: M4 carbine
Main Battle Tank: M1A2 Abrams
Main Fighter Plane: Mikoyan MiG-29
Main Naval Warships: (Jinwoyin Origin) "Floating Fortress" Islander 48A (Similar in appearance to BB-56)
Infantry Calibers Used: 5.56mm NATO
Military Service Branches:
- Defence Reserves (Air, Navy or Army; as with all of them)
- Active Defence Force
- Peacekeeping Force
- Reserve Peacekeeping Force
Infantry Body Armor: Not applicable
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Depending
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of:
Aleckandorian-Jinwoyin Military Treaty
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: Yes (Upwards of J$3,000,000,000, a very large donation comming out of Government waste)
Do You Want to Make a Material Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: No
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: No
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Central Humid, Thick Dense Jungles are usually already reserved for military training.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate:
Ju-mah Go region - A military reserved area filled with dummy mines (Deactivated mines that make loud noises when stepped on) - as well as being a very dense jungle.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: Jinwoy doesn't usually take part in offensive operations,
the nation usually takes part in policing activities as well as setting up basic services such as medical care.
Membership Type: Humanitarian

[Phonencia]

Glock's don't have traditional safeties because they're fighting pistols meant to be used by trained personnel. If your military is so fucktarded it can't stop shooting itself in the foot, it needs to be disbanded yesterday. I've shot Glocks all my life and I've NEVER had a negligent discharge. I'm fifteen. Both my brothers have shot Glocks all their lives (27 and 35) and they've also never had a negligent discharge. If your friends accidentally shoot themselves with their Glocks, they don't need to have a gun period.

The people I'm talking about are all in the military, I was speaking of my father's old coworkers. Yes, the US Army literly has personal that stupid and I'm pretty sure all miliataries do. So all handguns need to be idiot-proof.

Or (rather than building and teaching to the lowest common denominator) add an extra week of in-depth firearms training to your Basic Military Training. The military actually doesn't get THAT much training with firearms (evidenced by the fact all those Infantrymen keep stickin' their damn elbow out when firing their M4s)
They make mistakes even I, a teenaged civilain, know not to. Why? Because I've had proper training that was NOT made to teach to the lowest common denominator and an instructor who stood next to me and personally corrected me (and the other half dozen students) when I screwed something up.


@Doppio
Humanitarian members don't have to participate offensively but all Dual and Security members do IIRC so you are correct. Italian Mafias, you should explain this to the applicant and have him switch his requested membership over to Humanitarian.

[Doppio Giudici]

I'm talking about the got damn freedom of religion damit, the whole reason this thing was made besides freedom of speech.

[Arthurista]

I'm talking about the got damn freedom of religion damit, the whole reason this thing was made besides freedom of speech.

Why just religion and speech? Throw the book at all Stalinist applicants. Might also be a good idea to redesign the application form to better gauge their human rights status. We can use that human rights rating thread as an example.

[The Keystone Federation]

After skimming through the charter further, we have found that the Keystone Federation must withdraw from the International Coalition for Expansion due to confliction with the Charter and the Federation's own "Union Restriction Act" which even after a long attempt at repeal and even Condemnation over it's release to the world, has stayed it's place. Placed in the charter it states specifically that ICE is against the prohibition of homosexual marriage, and so, to prevent any future conflict with these conditions, we hereby withdraw ourselves from the International Coalition for Expansion.

The Charter states that "Nations with strong religious backgrounds may however prohibit gay marriages, marriages to animals, inanimate objects etcetera in order to prevent ICE from infringing on their religious sovereignty and freedoms;"

I can't really see what the problem is, except maybe that the derogation is premised only on religious grounds, thus preventing nations citing secular reasons against gay marriage from invoking it (although I really can't think of any non-religious reasons for that off the cuff).

Maybe change the wording to "religious, social or philosophical grounds"? That, in itself, raises questions on how far should we take the ICE's pro-liberties line.


I agree with Virana in that we shouldn't admit effectively-Stalinist nations which persecute religions. But then again, is there any logical reason why we should single out religion? Shouldn't we deny the application from all nations which refuse to protect any fundamental human right?

The "Union Restriction Act" was not based around religion as the Federation is not entangled with church and state. Religious freedom is a very strong civil right throughout the Federation. If anything, the Act was based upon cultural and demographic reasons, a majority of the Federation's populace after the "KDS" the Keystone Demographics Survey, agreed that homosexual rights should not be over-expressed. The charter states that any state with a "strong religious background" may opt out, it mentions no where within it any exceptions for demographic or cultural reasons.

We will however, not simply back down from the ICE, as they could prove useful for the Federation's cause in the future. So, we ask if an amendment might be made to except not only "strong religious backgrounds" but also "strong cultural backgrounds". In other words, if the majority of the populace, or if the main culture within the nation is against a subject, they should not be forced against their own will to comply.

[The Keystone Federation]

I'm talking about the got damn freedom of religion damit, the whole reason this thing was made besides freedom of speech.

Why just religion and speech? Throw the book at all Stalinist applicants. Might also be a good idea to redesign the application form to better gauge their human rights status. We can use that human rights rating thread as an example.

I agree with this, human rights should be a major part within the application system. We can't have abusive dictatorships fighting to "spread liberty and prosperity across the globe through the systematic conquest of malevolent or overtly oppressive dictatorships."

[Doppio Giudici]

Why just religion and speech? Throw the book at all Stalinist applicants. Might also be a good idea to redesign the application form to better gauge their human rights status. We can use that human rights rating thread as an example.

I agree with this, human rights should be a major part within the application system. We can't have abusive dictatorships fighting to "spread liberty and prosperity across the globe through the systematic conquest of malevolent or overtly oppressive dictatorships."

Mine is as close to a military/communist dictatorship as a religiously minded republic can be

[The Keystone Federation]

I agree with this, human rights should be a major part within the application system. We can't have abusive dictatorships fighting to "spread liberty and prosperity across the globe through the systematic conquest of malevolent or overtly oppressive dictatorships."

Mine is as close to a military/communist dictatorship as a religiously minded republic can be

Than I am afraid we shall not be continuing in this organization. After all, how can we fight oppressive dictatorships and tyrants if we are full of them ourselves? This is the highest level of hypocrisy.

[Doppio Giudici]

Mine is as close to a military/communist dictatorship as a religiously minded republic can be

Than I am afraid we shall not be continuing in this organization. After all, how can we fight oppressive dictatorships and tyrants if we are full of them ourselves? This is the highest level of hypocrisy.

The government of this nation mirrors the culture of it's people. The people have always been one, so the government has always been everywhere. The people have always been attacked, so the military was always huge and powerful. You can only give people freedoms that they wish to use. Nothing can change this government, as it gives them what they want.