Terra Firma, Planning and discussion

[Transnapastain]

Why dis?

YOu're awesome.

Well, there IS that fact.

[Chonburi]

Ahhh, but you'll still need concrete, cement, steel rebar, that sort of thing. We got that stuff.

If we can inspect it for quality first of course, sure. It would need to be somewhere flat with relatively low cloud cover and good sightlines to space (e.g. no mountains nearby to block line-of-sight to satellites), as well as low background radio chatter, so not too close to major cities. It'd probably house a few hundred operations and security personnel, with a few hundred more local contractors and have the usual smattering of large satellite dishes and a small runway.

You don't even trust our concrete? duuuude.

What do the local contractors do? Does this require a serious education, or what?

[The Akasha Colony]

If we can inspect it for quality first of course, sure. It would need to be somewhere flat with relatively low cloud cover and good sightlines to space (e.g. no mountains nearby to block line-of-sight to satellites), as well as low background radio chatter, so not too close to major cities. It'd probably house a few hundred operations and security personnel, with a few hundred more local contractors and have the usual smattering of large satellite dishes and a small runway.

You don't even trust our concrete? duuuude.

What do the local contractors do? Does this require a serious education, or what?

For the most part, it shouldn't. We'd first need contractors to build the basic buildings and clear the land. This would require basic first-world-grade expertise, but nothing really fancy. We don't want bamboo buildings or shantytowns, but we're not building the Burj Khalifa here either. Given that most workers employed in such projects nowadays are already usually temporary workers from India and the Philippines anyway, no particular local skillset would be required. There would be a few Carthaginian foremen on site to supervise the work, as would occur for any project of military importance.

Most of the delicate electronics installation would be handled by Carthaginian personnel. It's possible that some jobs such as janitorial work and possibly running the food services would be given to local personnel, either individually or through a contracting agency. Actual operation of the base would be by Carthaginian personnel, and potentially certain designated local personnel if the local government was a co-funder of the network. By and large though the base wouldn't do much, since it's just a site for the relay dishes. Actual network administration is carried out at a central location in the majority funder's homeland (for GPS, that's Colorado Springs).

[Medeshahr]

You don't even trust our concrete? duuuude.

What do the local contractors do? Does this require a serious education, or what?

For the most part, it shouldn't. We'd first need contractors to build the basic buildings and clear the land. This would require basic first-world-grade expertise, but nothing really fancy. We don't want bamboo buildings or shantytowns, but we're not building the Burj Khalifa here either. Given that most workers employed in such projects nowadays are already usually temporary workers from India and the Philippines anyway, no particular local skillset would be required. There would be a few Carthaginian foremen on site to supervise the work, as would occur for any project of military importance.

Most of the delicate electronics installation would be handled by Carthaginian personnel. It's possible that some jobs such as janitorial work and possibly running the food services would be given to local personnel, either individually or through a contracting agency. Actual operation of the base would be by Carthaginian personnel, and potentially certain designated local personnel if the local government was a co-funder of the network. By and large though the base wouldn't do much, since it's just a site for the relay dishes. Actual network administration is carried out at a central location in the majority funder's homeland (for GPS, that's Colorado Springs).

While they will be located some distance from major cities, I'm sure that the servicemen based there would probably enjoy "nights out on the town," tourist things on the weekends, perhaps buying local food for the experience, things of that nature. The vehicles of the base, assuming there are some, would probably fuel up around the site simply because its logistically more feasible than ensuring that the mother nation always keeps the fuel supply sustained. The facility would also probably need roads, which locals could be hired to construct (if they do not exist already), and it may be that Carthage could do relations building in the area, opening up outreach or technology centers for gifted youth, literacy programs for adults, ect. Of course, I'm not Carthage and can't promise these things, but they seem like probably benefits to having a first world nation take up residence in your neighborhood. Typically, a base is good for the local economy. Also, I didn't ask before because we're so close, but if you need more positions in the Middle Eastern area we'd be happy to lease some land to you.

[Transnapastain]

I'm working on an RP at the moment, and I am probably going to have an air assault chopper shot down by insurgents using a MANPAD

I want it to be a foreign weapon, we're using Soviet/Russian equipment, so it should be like a RBS-70 or a FIM-92. Lanos, Emerria, any other NACO nation, would you have sent weapons to support the rebels, or could they have gotten them? I don't want this to lead to war, mind you, just want to use it as a plot point.

[Chonburi]

You don't even trust our concrete? duuuude.

What do the local contractors do? Does this require a serious education, or what?

For the most part, it shouldn't. We'd first need contractors to build the basic buildings and clear the land. This would require basic first-world-grade expertise, but nothing really fancy. We don't want bamboo buildings or shantytowns, but we're not building the Burj Khalifa here either. Given that most workers employed in such projects nowadays are already usually temporary workers from India and the Philippines anyway, no particular local skillset would be required. There would be a few Carthaginian foremen on site to supervise the work, as would occur for any project of military importance.

Most of the delicate electronics installation would be handled by Carthaginian personnel. It's possible that some jobs such as janitorial work and possibly running the food services would be given to local personnel, either individually or through a contracting agency. Actual operation of the base would be by Carthaginian personnel, and potentially certain designated local personnel if the local government was a co-funder of the network. By and large though the base wouldn't do much, since it's just a site for the relay dishes. Actual network administration is carried out at a central location in the majority funder's homeland (for GPS, that's Colorado Springs).

Well, if there's hard currency involved, then we'll take it and be happy with it. All of our locally-sourced industrial materials pass muster for international standards. and you can look at some of our spectacular buildings in Mahanakhon to see what we can do.

However, because the only real viable locations for this will be Meuang Mon - it's the flattest island, by far - and they're kind of racists, I have to ask - will the foremen be black Africans? That might ruffle some local feathers. Shouldn't kill the project, but it's something that your local handlers will want to be ready for.

[Chonburi]

Anyway, speaking of my people generally being unloving, I would like to prepare another RP wherein the Chonburi authorities are dealing with an insurgency in the northern island of Meuang Jaohang. Would anybody be interested in that?

[Transnapastain]

Another TF RP begins!
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[The Akasha Colony]

For the most part, it shouldn't. We'd first need contractors to build the basic buildings and clear the land. This would require basic first-world-grade expertise, but nothing really fancy. We don't want bamboo buildings or shantytowns, but we're not building the Burj Khalifa here either. Given that most workers employed in such projects nowadays are already usually temporary workers from India and the Philippines anyway, no particular local skillset would be required. There would be a few Carthaginian foremen on site to supervise the work, as would occur for any project of military importance.

Most of the delicate electronics installation would be handled by Carthaginian personnel. It's possible that some jobs such as janitorial work and possibly running the food services would be given to local personnel, either individually or through a contracting agency. Actual operation of the base would be by Carthaginian personnel, and potentially certain designated local personnel if the local government was a co-funder of the network. By and large though the base wouldn't do much, since it's just a site for the relay dishes. Actual network administration is carried out at a central location in the majority funder's homeland (for GPS, that's Colorado Springs).

Well, if there's hard currency involved, then we'll take it and be happy with it. All of our locally-sourced industrial materials pass muster for international standards. and you can look at some of our spectacular buildings in Mahanakhon to see what we can do.

However, because the only real viable locations for this will be Meuang Mon - it's the flattest island, by far - and they're kind of racists, I have to ask - will the foremen be black Africans? That might ruffle some local feathers. Shouldn't kill the project, but it's something that your local handlers will want to be ready for.

If the racism is known then we can arrange for them not to be black Africans, although they'd likely be Arabs or Libyo-Phoenicians instead.

[Chonburi]

Well, if there's hard currency involved, then we'll take it and be happy with it. All of our locally-sourced industrial materials pass muster for international standards. and you can look at some of our spectacular buildings in Mahanakhon to see what we can do.

However, because the only real viable locations for this will be Meuang Mon - it's the flattest island, by far - and they're kind of racists, I have to ask - will the foremen be black Africans? That might ruffle some local feathers. Shouldn't kill the project, but it's something that your local handlers will want to be ready for.

If the racism is known then we can arrange for them not to be black Africans, although they'd likely be Arabs or Libyo-Phoenicians instead.

Honestly, shouldn't be too much of a problem either way.

[Aqizithiuda]

Another TF RP begins!
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Emilio and his thoughts make me lol. Consider the thread subscribed to.

[Spreewerke]

So, could whoever our Germany-equivalent is get things sorted out? I can't do anything until you do.

[Transnapastain]

Another TF RP begins!
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Emilio and his thoughts make me lol. Consider the thread subscribed to.

Our young lieutenant is in for a rude awakening.

[The Akasha Colony]

So, could whoever our Germany-equivalent is get things sorted out? I can't do anything until you do.

At this point, I would just make some assumptions and start moving, rather than remain hamstrung by a player who isn't responding at the moment.

[Junghuwa]

Well I can only speak for my stake in the Kursk Concords, but you do share a border with my ally, so we would probably be very interested in your proposal

Being non-aligned was a preference, it was by no means a requirement. That'd be great!
Also, perhaps it would be a good idea for all of the TF RPs to be listed in the OP.

[Nua Corda]

Another TF RP begins!
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Wonder if there's any way I could get in on this...

Usually for things that are not exactly proper for the Expeditionary Corps to poke its' collective nose into I like to use OKC Black Shield PMCs or other agents of Clan O'Kanna. The OKC co-operates with the government, to a point. But Clan O'Kanna is older than the government, and their codes and traditions predate the Winter Constitution by several hundred years. If the Patriarchs want to get involved, they will.

[Transnapastain]

Another TF RP begins!
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Wonder if there's any way I could get in on this...

Usually for things that are not exactly proper for the Expeditionary Corps to poke its' collective nose into I like to use OKC Black Shield PMCs or other agents of Clan O'Kanna. The OKC co-operates with the government, to a point. But Clan O'Kanna is older than the government, and their codes and traditions predate the Winter Constitution by several hundred years. If the Patriarchs want to get involved, they will.

Are they supplying my rebels with weapons and assistance? Someone needs to man up and do it. :-P

For the record I'm not planning one finding boxes and boxes of weapons marked MADE IN (X nation), clearly its a clandestine thing, I just think it's going to be a lot more interesting when we kick over a hornets nest of rebels with ARs and a Stinger than the stolen AKs and shotguns we were expecting.

[Spirit of Hope]

Wonder if there's any way I could get in on this...

Usually for things that are not exactly proper for the Expeditionary Corps to poke its' collective nose into I like to use OKC Black Shield PMCs or other agents of Clan O'Kanna. The OKC co-operates with the government, to a point. But Clan O'Kanna is older than the government, and their codes and traditions predate the Winter Constitution by several hundred years. If the Patriarchs want to get involved, they will.

Are they supplying my rebels with weapons and assistance? Someone needs to man up and do it. :-P

For the record I'm not planning one finding boxes and boxes of weapons marked MADE IN (X nation), clearly its a clandestine thing, I just think it's going to be a lot more interesting when we kick over a hornets nest of rebels with ARs and a Stinger than the stolen AKs and shotguns we were expecting.

Support anti-cmunist rebels with weapons? Especially for an important trade route? Why would anyone want to do that?

I would be interested, though I would probably only provide old and outdated equipment, that would be easy to deny having supplied. So while it might look like we supplied rebels, and there would be some limited evidence we did, it would be very hard to prove.

Secondly if we were providing weapons there might have been a trainer or two, though they would probably be gone.

[Transnapastain]

Are they supplying my rebels with weapons and assistance? Someone needs to man up and do it. :-P

For the record I'm not planning one finding boxes and boxes of weapons marked MADE IN (X nation), clearly its a clandestine thing, I just think it's going to be a lot more interesting when we kick over a hornets nest of rebels with ARs and a Stinger than the stolen AKs and shotguns we were expecting.

Support anti-cmunist rebels with weapons? Especially for an important trade route? Why would anyone want to do that?

Kind of what I was getting at with the idea. It's in many peoples interest to do so. While we aren't exactly Communist, any practice, we're certainly trying to tell everyone we are.

I would be interested, though I would probably only provide old and outdated equipment, that would be easy to deny having supplied. So while it might look like we supplied rebels, and there would be some limited evidence we did, it would be very hard to prove.

Secondly if we were providing weapons there might have been a trainer or two, though they would probably be gone.

Even them having something like a Redeye or a Blowpipe would be more interesting to me than an Igla or Strella. Then having FN-FAL's or G3's, or some homemade weapon we're using thats out of date, or even older M16A1 or A2 rifles as well.

Mainly, I'm not looking for someone to be actively support the rebellion, at this time, merely someone who is willing to say OOCly,"Yes, I would have done so, and yes, you might find this equipment"

Obviously, ICy, I expect denial or pure silence.

[Nua Corda]

Support anti-cmunist rebels with weapons? Especially for an important trade route? Why would anyone want to do that?

Kind of what I was getting at with the idea. It's in many peoples interest to do so. While we aren't exactly Communist, any practice, we're certainly trying to tell everyone we are.

I would be interested, though I would probably only provide old and outdated equipment, that would be easy to deny having supplied. So while it might look like we supplied rebels, and there would be some limited evidence we did, it would be very hard to prove.

Secondly if we were providing weapons there might have been a trainer or two, though they would probably be gone.

Even them having something like a Redeye or a Blowpipe would be more interesting to me than an Igla or Strella. Then having FN-FAL's or G3's, or some homemade weapon we're using thats out of date, or even older M16A1 or A2 rifles as well.

Mainly, I'm not looking for someone to be actively support the rebellion, at this time, merely someone who is willing to say OOCly,"Yes, I would have done so, and yes, you might find this equipment"

Obviously, ICy, I expect denial or pure silence.

I imagine one might find quite a few MRS-67s and ART-64s in the region in general, given the rate and quantity at which they were distributed during the Cold War.

Wonder if there's any way I could get in on this...

Usually for things that are not exactly proper for the Expeditionary Corps to poke its' collective nose into I like to use OKC Black Shield PMCs or other agents of Clan O'Kanna. The OKC co-operates with the government, to a point. But Clan O'Kanna is older than the government, and their codes and traditions predate the Winter Constitution by several hundred years. If the Patriarchs want to get involved, they will.

Are they supplying my rebels with weapons and assistance? Someone needs to man up and do it. :-P

For the record I'm not planning one finding boxes and boxes of weapons marked MADE IN (X nation), clearly its a clandestine thing, I just think it's going to be a lot more interesting when we kick over a hornets nest of rebels with ARs and a Stinger than the stolen AKs and shotguns we were expecting.

Well, how oppressive is your government, exactly?

[The Republic of Lanos]

As for supplying weapons to any insurgency, I'm not privy to that idea but there are loose SA-7s floating around after the fascists fell in 1991.

[Spirit of Hope]

Support anti-cmunist rebels with weapons? Especially for an important trade route? Why would anyone want to do that?

Kind of what I was getting at with the idea. It's in many peoples interest to do so. While we aren't exactly Communist, any practice, we're certainly trying to tell everyone we are.

I would be interested, though I would probably only provide old and outdated equipment, that would be easy to deny having supplied. So while it might look like we supplied rebels, and there would be some limited evidence we did, it would be very hard to prove.

Secondly if we were providing weapons there might have been a trainer or two, though they would probably be gone.

Even them having something like a Redeye or a Blowpipe would be more interesting to me than an Igla or Strella. Then having FN-FAL's or G3's, or some homemade weapon we're using thats out of date, or even older M16A1 or A2 rifles as well.

Mainly, I'm not looking for someone to be actively support the rebellion, at this time, merely someone who is willing to say OOCly,"Yes, I would have done so, and yes, you might find this equipment"

Obviously, ICy, I expect denial or pure silence.

Oh, OOCly I could have supported the rebels in the past, and maybe still some. Probably nothing heavier than mortars and MANPADS though.

[Transnapastain]

Kind of what I was getting at with the idea. It's in many peoples interest to do so. While we aren't exactly Communist, any practice, we're certainly trying to tell everyone we are.



Even them having something like a Redeye or a Blowpipe would be more interesting to me than an Igla or Strella. Then having FN-FAL's or G3's, or some homemade weapon we're using thats out of date, or even older M16A1 or A2 rifles as well.

Mainly, I'm not looking for someone to be actively support the rebellion, at this time, merely someone who is willing to say OOCly,"Yes, I would have done so, and yes, you might find this equipment"

Obviously, ICy, I expect denial or pure silence.

Oh, OOCly I could have supported the rebels in the past, and maybe still some. Probably nothing heavier than mortars and MANPADS though.

Fine by me, just give em an idea of what we'd find?

As for supplying weapons to any insurgency, I'm not privy to that idea but there are loose SA-7s floating around after the fascists fell in 1991.

You're not privy, as in, you don't know? Or, what you meant to say was you're not keen on it, or maybe that you're perfectly fine with it?

Kind of what I was getting at with the idea. It's in many peoples interest to do so. While we aren't exactly Communist, any practice, we're certainly trying to tell everyone we are.



Even them having something like a Redeye or a Blowpipe would be more interesting to me than an Igla or Strella. Then having FN-FAL's or G3's, or some homemade weapon we're using thats out of date, or even older M16A1 or A2 rifles as well.

Mainly, I'm not looking for someone to be actively support the rebellion, at this time, merely someone who is willing to say OOCly,"Yes, I would have done so, and yes, you might find this equipment"

Obviously, ICy, I expect denial or pure silence.

I imagine one might find quite a few MRS-67s and ART-64s in the region in general, given the rate and quantity at which they were distributed during the Cold War.

Are they supplying my rebels with weapons and assistance? Someone needs to man up and do it. :-P

For the record I'm not planning one finding boxes and boxes of weapons marked MADE IN (X nation), clearly its a clandestine thing, I just think it's going to be a lot more interesting when we kick over a hornets nest of rebels with ARs and a Stinger than the stolen AKs and shotguns we were expecting.

Well, how oppressive is your government, exactly?

I'm going to give you a quote from the RP:

After several moments, the man continued “This mornings operation is code named Cosecha Montez , or Mountain Harvest. It will take place in the Whye River Valley-” he said as he pointed towards a large map pinned to the wall. “Insurgents have been harassing local workers attempting to complete the highway 91 route from Cuidad Mejis to Tiakl and intelligence has traced them to this location; a small village of no importance. We believe the village is populated by no more than 50 inhabitants, all of whom are to be considered traitors and wreckers of the Mejain Revolution, or complacent in the ill deeds. They are all fair game.” he said, shaking his head “However, the Guardia Nacional Republicana has requested we attempt to take prisoners, no less than fifteen, for “informational purposes.”

Transnlation: Kill all them motherfuckers, every man, woman, and child in the village...except a few, capture them, so we can torture them and extract information from them.

Were hard on the rebels. On the average citizenry, the oppression is more economic and less violent. Taxes on everyone (cept the rich - as rich as you can be in a corrupt pseudo-Communist regime) are high, in the interest of "redistributing the wealth". The thing is the current leader, yet to be named, is loved by a good amount of the populace, because he did appropriate land and resources from the elite of the old regime, and transfer it to his smaller cabal of people, dumping the rest on the poor in an attempt to bring the bottom up. There have been serious efforts put into building and maintaining a highway network, as you can see, as well as educational/medical services being provided to the rich. Finally, a lot of the peasants received the lands of former farm and ranch barons who weren't on board with "the revolution". Much of the money comes from the free trade zones around the Straights, which are a sources of cheap and duty free production for anyone willing to pay. I imagine a lot of foreign nations' corporations use us for cheap labor, and thats fine, because what we gain from that goes right back into helping keep control of the nation keeping the people happy

Also, he's left the Church alone, and that's endeared him to the people.

Think Casto's Cuba but with some leftover vestiges of Batista's

[The Republic of Lanos]

@Trans:

I don't wish to overthrow a stable and somewhat-friendly regime to Lanos that's a short distance from my nation only to see it go the path of Libya/Syria after Assad goes and turn into another Afghanistan unless your regime really goes to the shitter in terms of human rights (which I see it hasn't really). There are fascist weapons floating around, those we didn't secure when the war ended (thanks to smuggling and such), and those guns and MANPADs are out there.

[Nua Corda]

Oh, OOCly I could have supported the rebels in the past, and maybe still some. Probably nothing heavier than mortars and MANPADS though.

Fine by me, just give em an idea of what we'd find?

As for supplying weapons to any insurgency, I'm not privy to that idea but there are loose SA-7s floating around after the fascists fell in 1991.

You're not privy, as in, you don't know? Or, what you meant to say was you're not keen on it, or maybe that you're perfectly fine with it?

I imagine one might find quite a few MRS-67s and ART-64s in the region in general, given the rate and quantity at which they were distributed during the Cold War.




Well, how oppressive is your government, exactly?

I'm going to give you a quote from the RP:

After several moments, the man continued “This mornings operation is code named Cosecha Montez , or Mountain Harvest. It will take place in the Whye River Valley-” he said as he pointed towards a large map pinned to the wall. “Insurgents have been harassing local workers attempting to complete the highway 91 route from Cuidad Mejis to Tiakl and intelligence has traced them to this location; a small village of no importance. We believe the village is populated by no more than 50 inhabitants, all of whom are to be considered traitors and wreckers of the Mejain Revolution, or complacent in the ill deeds. They are all fair game.” he said, shaking his head “However, the Guardia Nacional Republicana has requested we attempt to take prisoners, no less than fifteen, for “informational purposes.”

Transnlation: Kill all them motherfuckers, every man, woman, and child in the village...except a few, capture them, so we can torture them and extract information from them.

Were hard on the rebels. On the average citizenry, the oppression is more economic and less violent. Taxes on everyone (cept the rich - as rich as you can be in a corrupt pseudo-Communist regime) are high, in the interest of "redistributing the wealth". The thing is the current leader, yet to be named, is loved by a good amount of the populace, because he did appropriate land and resources from the elite of the old regime, and transfer it to his smaller cabal of people, dumping the rest on the poor in an attempt to bring the bottom up. There have been serious efforts put into building and maintaining a highway network, as you can see, as well as educational/medical services being provided to the rich. Finally, a lot of the peasants received the lands of former farm and ranch barons who weren't on board with "the revolution". Much of the money comes from the free trade zones around the Straights, which are a sources of cheap and duty free production for anyone willing to pay. I imagine a lot of foreign nations' corporations use us for cheap labor, and thats fine, because what we gain from that goes right back into helping keep control of the nation keeping the people happy

Also, he's left the Church alone, and that's endeared him to the people.

Think Casto's Cuba but with some leftover vestiges of Batista's

Might be cause for OKC interest. The current generation of Patriarch/Matriarchs are less than thrilled with communism (having been young men and women during the Cold War), Clan O'Kanna as a whole is rather fond of playing Robin Hood, and that type of war crime rarely pleases them.

It would be easy to supply old-generation Castle weaponry and ammunition (which would not be out of place in the area) and a few Black Shields in plain clothes to a persecuted group. Without Govt. knowlege or aproval, of course.