Terra Firma, Planning and discussion

[Transnapastain]

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[The Republic of Lanos]

Too many nuclear states for a nation try to emphasize "real world realism," imo.

Though, with that being said, Trans, I found a map with those Argentinean reactors, and it would appear that both Uscanya and Saludos would have one.

If we started listing "states that could go nuclear", there'd be a lot of color on the map. In fact, there would be a bunch of RL analogs going on (Ukraine, Japan, etc.) depending upon circumstances that apply to TF.

Too many nuclear states for a nation try to emphasize "real world realism," imo.

Though, with that being said, Trans, I found a map with those Argentinean reactors, and it would appear that both Uscanya and Saludos would have one.

If you consider all the states that have either abandoned their nuclear weapons, or abandoned their programs prior to producing a weapon:
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The nuclear club could easily be a lot bigger than it is presently IRL... and indeed it may well start growing again in the future.

This too.

What I do not see is why we should expand beyond the current states established as being nuclear powers (or suspected) just because. I think we need to start justifying why each nation should have the bomb beyond this point. For example, Lanos just about has the same strategic situation as RL Israel with nations surrounding it that wants to kill it and its people off (siege mentality). If we should start letting others join the nuclear club beyond the ones already in, the person needs to, on a OOC basis, justify why and explain how they got to the bomb.

[Transnapastain]

What I literally just read was

"I got what I wanted so I don't care if anyone else gets them"

[The Republic of Lanos]

What I literally just read was

"I got what I wanted so I don't care if anyone else gets them"

I said that? Holy shit I suck at this.

[The Kievan People]

OOCly I'm willing to have Austrasia be part of something like this under Emmeria (in other words, the nukes would be Emmerian), but it would be very quaint ICly if it was just Austrasia. Especially when four other states in the neighborhood (not including Puzikas) have weapons of their own.

[Transnapastain]

OOCly I'm willing to have Austrasia be part of something like this under Emmeria (in other words, the nukes would be Emmerian), but it would be very quaint ICly if it was just Austrasia. Especially when four other states in the neighborhood (not including Puzikas) have weapons of their own.

I don't have an issue with you having them. I added you to the map.

[Tule]

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I've actually been working on my nuclear arsenal (nukes have been a bit of an obsession of mine for the last few days)

IRL Canada was a major partner in the Manhattan project and built the first operating nuclear reactor outside the US in 1945 at what is now Chalk River Laboratories. It supplied the British with 3 Kg of plutonium for their first nuclear device and the US DoE with 250 kilograms from 1955-1976.

So Tule has produced about 12 kilograms of plutonium every year since 1955 (2-4 bombs per year) and tested it's first weapons in 1957. The current stockpile is somewhere between 90-120 bombs.

The nuclear weapon budget however has never been large. Tule has tested a Hydrogen bomb but has never fielded anything other than fission weapons with a max yield of 60 kilotons (most are 20 kilotons), as weapons development testing consumes precious and expensive fissile material.

The intended delivery system is and has always been medium bombers like the not-English Electric Canberra for budget reasons. But since the 70's Tule has mounted some of its bombs on cruise missiles.

TL;DR: Tule is IRL Pakistan when it comes to nukes.

[Transnapastain]

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I've actually been working on my nuclear arsenal (nukes have been a bit of an obsession of mine for the last few days)

IRL Canada was a major partner in the Manhattan project and built the first operating nuclear reactor outside the US in 1945 at what is now Chalk River Laboratories. It supplied the British with 3 Kg of plutonium for their first nuclear device and the US DoE with 250 kilograms from 1955-1976.

So Tule has produced about 12 kilograms of plutonium every year since 1955 (2-4 bombs per year) and tested it's first weapons in 1957. The current stockpile is somewhere between 90-120 bombs.

The nuclear weapon budget however has never been large. Tule has tested a Hydrogen bomb but has never fielded anything other than fission weapons with a max yield of 60 kilotons (most are 20 kilotons), as weapons development testing consumes precious and expensive fissile material.

The intended delivery system is and has always been medium bombers like the not-English Electric Canberra for budget reasons. But since the 70's Tule has mounted some of its bombs on cruise missiles.

TL;DR: Tule is IRL Pakistan when it comes to nukes.

I thought I'd colored you in.

[Tule]

I've actually been thinking a lot more about my situation in TF and There are some issues that need solving.
This semester has been my busiest one to date so I've never felt comfortable involving myself more than with the occasional daydream.
Then there is the fact that I don't really like Tule as it is and it needs to change if it's not only going to be

It makes no sense that Tule is as small as it and where it is located considering how long it's been in North America (since 6th century AD), It should have spread out across the Northern US by the time the rest of Europe lands in North America or simply become extinct.

So my new idea is that most of the Nordic nation simply went extinct after the Gothic invasion. A few however managed to escape and settle in Greenland like it did in Real life.
Tuleans in Greenland managed to survive there for about 800 years thanks to survival techniques taught to them by Samis that emigrated with them.

Tuleans made attempts to settle in Labrador, but never made any permanent camps as they were always repelled by natives.
Then two things happen: 1. Tuleans are introduced to firearms 2. The Little Ice Age hits them hard in the mid 16th century.

The means to overpower the natives of Labrador combined with the desperation to do so as well enables them to settle and survive there by the late 15th Century.

Shortly after, Europeans Settle in New England and Virginia. Both groups of immigrants colonize more land until they bump into each other roughly where the Tulean-Emmerian Border is today. (Though some skirmishes may have taken place for some historical action)

[Glaswegistan]

Glaswegistan wrote:
[Glances at map

Since when did I own fucking nuclear weapons?

Oh well, not complaining.

[Starts waving the nuclear peen around]


I thought you came on IRC and cried at me about it.

I can take them from you.

To be fair, I only really asked if I had nukes, although I'll gladly accept having them

[Transnapastain]

I've actually been thinking a lot more about my situation in TF and There are some issues that need solving.
This semester has been my busiest one to date so I've never felt comfortable involving myself more than with the occasional daydream.
Then there is the fact that I don't really like Tule as it is and it needs to change if it's not only going to be

It makes no sense that Tule is as small as it and where it is located considering how long it's been in North America (since 6th century AD), It should have spread out across the Northern US by the time the rest of Europe lands in North America or simply become extinct.

So my new idea is that most of the Nordic nation simply went extinct after the Gothic invasion. A few however managed to escape and settle in Greenland like it did in Real life.
Tuleans in Greenland managed to survive there for about 800 years thanks to survival techniques taught to them by Samis that emigrated with them.

Tuleans made attempts to settle in Labrador, but never made any permanent camps as they were always repelled by natives.
Then two things happen: 1. Tuleans are introduced to firearms 2. The Little Ice Age hits them hard in the mid 16th century.

The means to overpower the natives of Labrador combined with the desperation to do so as well enables them to settle and survive there by the late 15th Century.

Shortly after, Europeans Settle in New England and Virginia. Both groups of immigrants colonize more land until they bump into each other roughly where the Tulean-Emmerian Border is today. (Though some skirmishes may have taken place for some historical action)

As far as fixing history goes, thatd be fine

You know you could also just have the rest of Canada?

[Tule]

I've actually been thinking a lot more about my situation in TF and There are some issues that need solving.
This semester has been my busiest one to date so I've never felt comfortable involving myself more than with the occasional daydream.
Then there is the fact that I don't really like Tule as it is and it needs to change if it's not only going to be

It makes no sense that Tule is as small as it and where it is located considering how long it's been in North America (since 6th century AD), It should have spread out across the Northern US by the time the rest of Europe lands in North America or simply become extinct.

So my new idea is that most of the Nordic nation simply went extinct after the Gothic invasion. A few however managed to escape and settle in Greenland like it did in Real life.
Tuleans in Greenland managed to survive there for about 800 years thanks to survival techniques taught to them by Samis that emigrated with them.

Tuleans made attempts to settle in Labrador, but never made any permanent camps as they were always repelled by natives.
Then two things happen: 1. Tuleans are introduced to firearms 2. The Little Ice Age hits them hard in the mid 16th century.

The means to overpower the natives of Labrador combined with the desperation to do so as well enables them to settle and survive there by the late 15th Century.

Shortly after, Europeans Settle in New England and Virginia. Both groups of immigrants colonize more land until they bump into each other roughly where the Tulean-Emmerian Border is today. (Though some skirmishes may have taken place for some historical action)

As far as fixing history goes, thatd be fine

You know you could also just have the rest of Canada?

I made that suggestion a while ago but it wasn't very popular.

I kind of disappointed me because as it is I'm surrounded by buffer states. No one is a threat to me which kind of limits my interaction to other states.

It would make me much bigger on the map if I had all of Canada (and maybe Greenland too If I may be so bold) which might make me a bit intimidating for other players, but it would make Puzikas a much bigger threat to me as I wouldn't have Sermersooq and Canadia as buffer states, It would also open up the Pacific to me

I would be willing to keep my population well below the current Canadian one if it made me less intimidating, 25 million instead of the current 35 million.

[Transnapastain]

As far as fixing history goes, thatd be fine

You know you could also just have the rest of Canada?

I made that suggestion a while ago but it wasn't very popular.

I kind of disappointed me because as it is I'm surrounded by buffer states. No one is a threat to me which kind of limits my interaction to other states.

It would make me much bigger on the map if I had all of Canada (and maybe Greenland too If I may be so bold) which might make me a bit intimidating for other players, but it would make Puzikas a much bigger threat to me as I wouldn't have Sermersooq and Canadia as buffer states, It would also open up the Pacific to me

I would be willing to keep my population well below the current Canadian one if it made me less intimidating, 25 million instead of the current 35 million.

If you did, and I reacted poorly or missed it, you have my apologies. I actually do kinda vaguely recall that...and I had reasons, but...what the hell were they. I don't recall.

I don't really have a problem with the proposed changes in total.

[Alimantuan]

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Respond as you will, but anybody that isn't authorized to go near the buildings is not aware of the exacts of construction. (Obviously)

Things not said in post: These buildings consist of 2 rooms and a balcony, a total of 36m² 9m² of which is a balcony, another 9m² is an internal room separated by an empty doorway. All windows are located in bedrooms on the North side of a tower, and are 1 foot wide, spanning from 1 foot above the floor to 2 feet below the ceiling, which is only 8 feet above the floor. There is no plumbing, electricity, or heating in these buildings.

[San-Silvacian]

rip esto strategic rocket troops deth to emmera

[Transnapastain]

Not likely to happen.

I could lop off Denmark?

yush

i will do it

Wait no.

You have Esto and the Philippines. You don't get another nation.

Go play the Philippines!

[Spirit of Hope]

How nuclear a state are we having China?

As far as fixing history goes, thatd be fine

You know you could also just have the rest of Canada?

I made that suggestion a while ago but it wasn't very popular.

I kind of disappointed me because as it is I'm surrounded by buffer states. No one is a threat to me which kind of limits my interaction to other states.

It would make me much bigger on the map if I had all of Canada (and maybe Greenland too If I may be so bold) which might make me a bit intimidating for other players, but it would make Puzikas a much bigger threat to me as I wouldn't have Sermersooq and Canadia as buffer states, It would also open up the Pacific to me

I would be willing to keep my population well below the current Canadian one if it made me less intimidating, 25 million instead of the current 35 million.

Have canada, and then you can trade with me!

[San-Silvacian]

yush

i will do it

Wait no.

You have Esto and the Philippines. You don't get another nation.

Go play the Philippines!

i am going to spank China off the Spratly Islands w/ stronk philippines army.

[Kalumba II]

Dam time; I'll give it a week before I announce SOUPs decision, so if anyone wants to get a bid in you have seven-ish days.

20:18 Pagan So... What do I do now?
20:18 virana Pagan: Just letting you know, we mess with Lanos all the time (in a non-hostile way)
20:18 Ssgtkirill Post in the thread letting everyone else knows

And so, I post. I was informed that I could take over South Africa (Oranje Vrijstaat).

Welcome my erstwhile enemy, oppress your blacks and you gonna get smacked like you did in Agolina http://iiwiki.com/wiki/BREAD. What you need to know about your opponents http://iiwiki.com/wiki/SOUP is all in there, I'll be around the IRC at some point if there is anything you want to discuss but different time zones mean I can't be there that often. Any blackman who hates you will find a friend in SOUP and will be armed and trained by us, and as we invest in a navy you can soon expect to be blockaded as well as the constant border raids we currently carry out.

A quick point, executing Madiba at his age is surely going to do more damage to your cause, and will rile up opinion in the SOUP states almost to the state of open war.

If this dam is going to be a problem, Spreewerke will be more than glad to step in and destroy problem.

Dam(n) it Spree, we're on your side, sort of.

I can't sell weapons to the third world?

;______;

Weapons you say? Perhaps some samples could be provided, and perhaps your bid for the dam project could succeed...

[San-Silvacian]

SOUP's national anthem?

Alternate?

[Alimantuan]

Well, the execution was held in secret, 100%. On the note of conflict, I'm sure we can discuss and understand the capacities of our respective forces. I'm often in IRC, so hopefully we can talk. Additionally, structure 2 will be completed by next week, IG time.

[Fortunagen]

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Woah, New Zealand has nukes?

Any particular reason for this?

[The Republic of Lanos]

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Woah, New Zealand has nukes?

Any particular reason for this?

New Zealand is owned by the TF UK.

[Transnapastain]

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Woah, New Zealand has nukes?

Any particular reason for this?

Yeah, its actually part of the Commonwealth still...there may or may not be weapons actually stationed there, thats up the the player.

[Fortunagen]

Woah, New Zealand has nukes?

Any particular reason for this?

New Zealand is owned by the TF UK.

I was not aware of this.

Why did UK hold onto it?