Arumdaum wrote:Chrinthanium wrote:Considering how many people are in your claim, perhaps that is not an objection for you to make. In the grand scheme of AMW, a 7.4 million OR a 16 million addition to a claim that was already extremely small (around 3-4 million) is not that big of a deal and it still would leave Tiaraan the smallest claim in AMW (Around 15-19 million). There's no reason to object on the ground of population to this expansion. IN fact, I never understood why Tiaraan kept it so small in the first place and think this addition actually makes sense in the current context of AMW.
Once the area is Tiaraan's, how it is RPed internally isn't that big of a deal. There aren't many, if any, AMW nations that would probably intervene in SE Asia knowing that Drapol is looming on the border of Tiaraan. I have a real sense that if this becomes an issue with "Western" powers in AMW and something is done to interfere, that Drapol will not go looking to invade Tiaraan for the sake of expansion, but for the sake of keeping "The West" out of Southeast Asia--which it has already done quite successfully.
Furthermore, so often in AMW, those who wanted to be expansionist did so in their history. I think it's a bit interesting to see this carried out in the present. Gives not only something for the other players in AMW to comment on in news posts, but brings a little more activity to a group that has generally been slow to move throughout its existence.
Also, how is farming going to significantly increase GDP? Generally speaking, agrarian areas tend to have overall lower economic output than industrial and commercial areas.
As far as how other nations would react in a more concrete sense... Spain will do nothing and Chrinthania will go surfing. It's too far away, too few people, and we've no real interest in that side of the world.
Overall, none of what Tiaraan is doing is upsetting the balance in AMW, so to speak. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. None of what is being asked for is unreasonable, the expansionism in the present is not too much unlike how the RL Western powers, and many of AMW's current nations, would up expanding in the past (including Korea), and that fertile delta area would not significantly improve economic standards in Tiaraan. I don't see any reason to object to what Tiaraan is asking for or doing.
Virtually none of that is very relevant to my post. The first sentence of my post literally says that I was completely fine with him extending his area of control, and that my qualms arose from how he was roleplaying his acquisition of it.
His population will remain miniscule to me. His GDP will remain miniscule to me.
Before I got him to edit his post, he had written that the area was believed to be previously uninhabited, but was now found to be inhabited by various small city-states and tribes, some of who were now deciding to join him, and some of whom were now resisting. I pointed out that it would difficult for millions of people in a wealthy agricultural area, connected in every way to the rest of the mainland and located in a crossroads of trade to have historically gone unnoticed. Impossible, in fact.
I was also pointing out that a nation would definitely already be existing there, as Tia'raan had previously believed that blank areas on the map did not have a government (as stated on chat).
Furthermore, I wanted to point out that the area he was RPing as invading was more considerably more populous than he. That was why I had brought up population. Not because I somehow thought that him expanding his population from a bit over 5 million to around 15 - 20 million was too much, which is honestly pretty ridiculous.
He had previously written his post saying that the expansion into the south was merely for territorial expansion, a reason which would most likely be unacceptable in even AMW's 21st century. Other countries are at least expanding under the guise of "the white man's burden" or attempting to protect Asia or something, but the official justification at the time had merely been to expand for the glory of the nation or something.
I suggested to him that he should simply have had all of it for a while, and have taken it over a considerable while ago, but he said that was boring. I eventually got him to change it to how it currently is, though.
How he RP's areas that are within his borders is entirely up to him. Far fetched, potentially, but not at all unheard of. There are still uncontacted tribes in Brazil. We know they're there, but they're uncontacted nonetheless. Either way, I really don't care as long as Tiaraan is enjoying AMW.
Also....... in other AMW news....
Sometime either tonight or tomorrow, the updated AMW maps will be posted. I'm in the process of finding new fonts with which to label things on the map. So expect a few changes.
