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[Arumdaum]

Oh, my apologies lol

um...is here ok? It's in southeast asia next to Drapol

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I'd prefer it if you use the region's map rather than the Vicky II map. That makes everything much more straightforward.

[Chrinthanium]

Oh, my apologies lol

um...is here ok? It's in southeast asia next to Drapol

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I'd prefer it if you use the region's map rather than the Vicky II map. That makes everything much more straightforward.

Unless the provinces don't match up to the "official" map, it's not really a big deal. I can work with it.

[Arumdaum]

I'd prefer it if you use the region's map rather than the Vicky II map. That makes everything much more straightforward.

Unless the provinces don't match up to the "official" map, it's not really a big deal. I can work with it.

It's rather that I want to have an easier time looking up his population and area, haha.

[Arumdaum]

Economy: industrialized
Exports: oil, coal, oranges, automobiles
Imports: luxury goods, technology

Short History:The lands that now make up the Greater Southern Republic were largely undiscovered until 500 years ago by European explorers and settler. The lands were populated by various tribes that are now known as the "First Nationers." The most prominent native tribe in the country area were the Seminoles. Initial meetings between the natives and the European settlers were friendly. However, as more Europeans settled in the area, the First Nationers were pushed away from their homelands. The hostility between the two groups led to open hostilities in 1587. A native warrior known only as "Divine Wind" raided several European settlements along the Florida peninsula. After nearly a year of bloodshed, a treaty between the native tribes and settlers was signed. The Treaty of The New World was signed in 1588. It guaranteed that Europeans would not encroach any further on native territory. Even today, there are small pockets of the GSR that are populated solely by First Nation communities.

For the first 250 years of European settlement in the New World, settlers looked to the great powers of Europe to protect them. It wasn't always a cordial relationship, and in time both sides looked to sever the ties. In 1767, Bartholomew Davis, a leading Georgia citizen, was able to negotiate complete independence from the "Southern Lands" and the nations of Europe. After nearly 3 years of fighting amongst themselves, the 9 independent state banded together to form the Greater Southern Republic. In 1772, Bartholomew Davis was elected to the presidency of the GSR.

I'll have to reiterate some of Chrin's statements.

I'm a bit skeptical as to whether your claim contains enough oil reserves to justify it being a major export, despite the probable large demand for oil in a rather populous industrialized (although I'm assuming post-industrial, really) economy. Nothing major; a few backspaces would remove the problem from your app entirely.

Furthermore, I'm also confused as to why the nation would call itself the Greater Southern Republic. It's not only in North America, but a rather central location in North America. Unless there was some history regarding some split with Amerique, I don't really see the justification for the name. I do understand though, that you may desire a culture and nation similar to that of the American South. Nothing to reject an app over, though, and to be honest, I wouldn't even really mind if you were accepted with this name.

Another minor nitpick would be that the area would actually have been discovered over ten thousand years ago.

I'm not really finding many problems with the other portions of your application. I'm actually enjoying the presence of the relatively large indigenous population as well as Gullah.

edit: Also, one question. Who's your main? I just want to be able to reach you more easily, in case you're not on as the Great Southern Republic, which I can easily tell is a multi.

[Arumdaum]

I think Arumdum, I’d phrase it like you’ve been accepted but the last steps of your application are just being finalized.

As to the Great War, Japan was (as far as we can say anything about the Pacific War decisively at this point, but we seem to be getting more decisive, so that’s good!) completely bogged down in operations against Walmington in Southeast Asia and their American Allies, and with the latter playing a slow defense/offense war in the South Pacific. I am sure Rising Sun would have been happy to assist Morning Calm with several divisions at least in the Russian Far East, although significant material support would have been rather limited. The goal was to beat the British in Southeast Asia, and that would have required every scrap of material Japan could muster up.

This would make any support of Korean-American possessions totally impossible. Even if TUGS had (doubtfully) seem the wisdom of East Asia’s cause, the sheer cost of supporting operations across the Pacific while simultaneously committing to several massive offensives in Southeast Asia and the Pacific would have been unfeasible. So, if Korea did have American claims and fought with Japan in the Great/Pacific War, I think it is inevitable they would have been seized rather quickly.

In regards to a shared history, I am sure Japan and Korea share much in common culturally. Certainly, the Japanese government would support the more reactionary forces in the current Korean government, and this might be aided by the fact that historically Japan never tried to bully, brutalize, or otherwise harass Korea. Yet I think the bottom line is the Japanese, given their own paradigm, would be forced to see Korea in one of two ways: with Japan, or against Japan. That is, do they want to assist Japan in creating a self-sufficient East Asia (where some rivalry would be expected, but more on a corporate than geo-political level, hence an enduring alliance would make sense and suit Tokyo very well indeed) or does Korea want to flirt with the Western Powers Japan is currently contending with (including a venomous hate for California after the Anahuac debacle, barely contained ire at America’s involvement in anything Asian, and wariness in general about British power…in which case Japan would see Korea as a strategic threat and a Cold War might ensue)?

So that is what things look like to me from where I sit. It’d be hard to imagine allies more natural than Japan and Korea, equitable allies moreover, but I can see why Korea might want to chart its own course and engage the world according to more independent standards.

Back to my first point: I’m sure you’re in Arumdaum, we just need to sort things out about territory, I think that’s what Chrin Map-Lord was saying. But I think we all love the idea, and the basics are very well thought out.

Unfortunately, and I'm saying this with a heavy heart, but I think that Korea will have ended up flirting with the Western Powers.

Something was worked up during chat which included historical cooperation between me and Amerique in the Great Plains and against Walmington.

I was thinking that perhaps the reason Japan may have focused its colonial ambitions in the South Pacific could have been due to a war with Korea which shut Japan out of the North Pacific and mainland Northeast Asia.

During the Great War, I'm imagining that Korea may not have gotten itself militarily involved, although it may have allowed American ships to dock in the Pacific Northwest. I'm imagining that Japan may not have been able to do much due to the fact that it would have had its military tied up elsewhere, and being already heavily outnumbered and outproduced.

Nonetheless, I'm hoping that we could have worked together in historical cases such as this, and I feel as if Korea would also be uncomfortable with Western intrusions into its backyard, although with more leeway for nations with which it possesses friendly relations.

Hopefully we're seen less as traitors to Asia in Japan when it comes to these issues.

[Tiaraan]

I'd prefer it if you use the region's map rather than the Vicky II map. That makes everything much more straightforward.

Unless the provinces don't match up to the "official" map, it's not really a big deal. I can work with it.

Sorry about any delay, if it helps at all here:

http://i.imgur.com/N52a0mw.png

[The Crooked Beat]

Hope I haven't annoyed Chrin too badly by letting this sit for so long, but in line with some irc discussions a while back, I'd like to put in a new claim. The nation would be called, far-from-creatively, Lusitania, and basically amounts to a larger, rather poorer Portugal and one that still retains, albeit tenuously, a sizable international empire.

Metropolitan Lusitania would consist of Portugal, of course, minus the Azores and Madeira, and the Spanish provinces of: Pontevedra (955,050), Ourense (326,724), Zamora (188,270), Salamanca (345,548), Cáceres (410,275), Badajoz (693,729), and Huelva (520,668), for a total 'home' population of 13,354,034 people.

Lusitania's empire might I think include possessions in Africa, Asia, and the Americas, the largest of which could be Anahuac, which I'd like to turn into a Lusitanian colony both for reasons of historical convenience and in order to avoid having three nations, though considering the amount of independence from Lisbon which Anahuac has probably enjoyed for 30-40 years at least it's very much a fig-leaf solution. My thinking is that, after possibly some very serious internal conflict, both racially and ideologically-driven, just after the Great War, metropolitan Lusitania began to implement a devolution scheme intended to recast Anahuac as a Walmingtonian-inspired self-governing Dominion, a plan to which a large minority population of European settlers took great exception due to its various provisions for majority governance, which culminated in a sort of Barricades Week in Anahuac (Mexico) City during the late 1970s, the late Daniel Vere Tenoch rising to power as a consequence. Recognizing its inability to force its plans through, and looking upon a highly segregated and authoritarian settler regime but one which was willing to retain formal ties with the metropolitan government as by far the best possible outcome, Lusitania gave Tenoch its blessing, and since then has traded diplomatic backing and preferential trade agreements for a guaranteed cut of the proceeds from oil exploration in the colony.

Here's a list of what I had in mind for Lusitania's imperial territories:

Anahuac (57,845,838)
Mauritania + Western Sahara (3,537,368 + 548,000)
Chittagong Division + Tripura + Mizoram (28,423,019 + 3,671,032 + 1,091,014)
Reunion (840,974)
Sulawesi (18,455,058)

Here's the beginnings of a factbook as well:

The Republic of Lusitania

Geography
Location: Far western Iberia, dependencies in Mesoamerica, Northwest Africa, Indian, Ocean, Southeast Asia
Terrain: Forested northern mountains, rolling plains in south, heavily-cultivated throughout
Climate: Hot/Warm-summer Mediterranean with semi-arid pockets along eastern border
Major Rivers: Douro, Tagus, Guadiana, Minho, Mondego, Zezere
Elevation Extremes: Torre Peak (1,204m)
Natural Resources: Fish, forests, tungsten, iron ore, uranium ore, marble, hydropower, arable land
Notes
Lusitania combines a striking coastline of sheer cliffs, rocky outcrops, and picturesque, inviting beaches with rolling vineyards, scattered forests, meandering rivers and low foothills inland to yield one of Europe’s outstanding landscapes, one which furthermore, and in large part as a consequence of relatively limited, regionally-concentrated industrial development, is often described as among the continent’s quietest and most rustic as well. A mild, by most accounts quite comfortable Mediterranean climate, seldom a source of punishingly hot summers or painfully frigid winters, finds, according to many tourist guidebooks, a direct parallel in Lusitanians’ typically relaxed and unhurried character.

People
Population: 13,867,565
Ethnic-Linguistic Groups: Lusitanian, Leonese, Extremaduran, Barranquian, Nahua, Sub-Saharan African, Berber, Arab
Religion: Catholicism, Calvinism, Unitarianism, Judaism, Islam, Animism
Literacy: 99% (official estimate: metropolitan)
Life Expectancy: 77.5 (overall)
Median Age: 41.1 (overall)
Urbanization: 61.1%
Major Urban Areas: Lisbon, Porto, Amadora, Almada, Odivelas
Notes
Most modern-day Lusitanians can trace their heritage to the Iberian Peninsula’s prehistoric Celtic inhabitants, or to subsequent pre-medieval waves of Italic and Visigothic migrants. Significant minorities drawn from across Lusitania’s overseas empire are also prominently present, alongside an ancient if heavily-persecuted and consequently miniscule Jewish community. Christianity planted its first roots in Lusitania during the fourth and fifth centuries, though Lusitanian tribes and kingdoms clung to several different heterodox and non-Trinitarian doctrines for far longer than Christian Europe as a whole. Roman Catholicism’s position as dominant faith was sufficiently weak as of the 1400s and 1500s for Protestant ideas to make significant inroads, frequently abetted as they were by royal patronage and an often-threatened Lusitanian kingdom’s closeness to the unapologetically anti-Catholic Walmingtonian empire through history. While military force and political manipulation succeeded in securing the primacy of the Roman rite by approximately 1700, fierce anticlerical sentiment persists to this day in many quarters as a direct holdover from that age of religious turmoil.

Government
Capital: Lisbon
Administrative Divisions: 18 districts, 308 municipalities, 3,092 civil parishes
Government Type: presidential republic
Legal System: civil law
Suffrage: universal, 18 years
Executive Branch
Head of State: President Duarte Melgueiro
Head of Government: President Duarte Melgueiro
Elections: presidential and legislative elections every two years
Cabinet: appointed by President
Legislative Branch: unicameral Council of Deputies (250 seats)
Political Parties: Popular Republican Union (centrist, governing), Democratic Union of Labor (centrist, populist), Party of Lusitanian Farmers and Cultivators (populist, center-right), Federation for Order and Progress (populist, quasi-fascist), Progressive Republican Party (center-left), Christian Democratic Party (liberal, center-right), Green-Socialist Party (center-left)
Political Pressure Groups: League of Communists (Igovian), Workers’ Self-Defense Associations (Anarchist/Libertarian Socialist), Lusitanian Phalange (fascist), Lusitanian New Order (fascist)\
Notes
Contemporary government and political life in Lusitania is shaped by a number of important structural elements, several of which tend to cast some doubt upon the nation’s nominal status as a representative democracy built according to typical European standards. Lusitania’s republican constitution of 1944, drafted at a time of great uncertainty and ideological tension and with strong, active military backing, established a powerful and autonomous executive office, and a relatively fragmented, dependent legislature, where the apportionment of electoral districts allowed certain regionally-based parties to monopolize voting within their particular spheres of influence. Military and civilian leaders alike have, historically, proven unhesitant to use the armed forces for political leverage, and of Lusitania’s ten Presidents, five, including current incumbent Duarte Melgueiro, held a general’s or admiral’s commission within a year of their election to the presidency. Several avowedly antidemocratic far-right parties are permitted to operate legally and openly, and command enough electoral support to occupy a not-insignificant bloc of legislative seats, and standards governing media fairness and ownership are notoriously lax, each party typically running its own news-propaganda networks in connivance with favorably-disposed industrialists and entrepreneurs.

Reliant as it usually is on its key coalition partners, the trade-unionist Democratic Union of Labor and the agrarian Party of Lusitanian Farmers and Cultivators, the centrist Popular Republican Union, which counts a high proportion of serving and retired armed forces officers on its membership roster, is effectively Lusitania’s party of power, and has only been evicted from government on three non-consecutive occasions.

Economy
GDP (Purchasing Power Parity): 240,116,887,975 (metropolitan)
Per Capita (PPP): 17,315
Annual Growth Rate: 2.4%
Composition by Sector: agriculture 15.5%, industry 32.4%, services 52.1%
Trade Partners: Spain, Valendia, Walmington on Sea, Great Italy, Amerique, Geletia
Major Industries: textiles, footwear, wood and cork, paper, chemicals, auto parts, ceramics, glassware, dairy products, foodstuffs, shipbreaking
Agricultural Products[/i]: grain, potatoes, tomatoes, olives, grapes, sheep, cattle, goats, pigs, dairy products, fish
[b]Unemployment Rate: 8.7% (metropolitan)

[Dra-pol]

I don't have a problem with giving Tiaraan a chance, especially with the claim probably only containing about six million people or so. Great propaganda for Da'Khiem, too... look, we haven't even tried to annex it!

I'm okay with TCB's changes, if Chrin is. Think I still owe a telegram on the matter, actually.

[The Crooked Beat]

After some additional if quite belated (and I hope not-too-frustratingly-in-character) thought on the matter, I suppose I don't see why this new potential nation really has to be situated in and around Portugal, and as an alternative that doesn't take any territory from Chrin's claims, I'd like to propose the following:

-Argentine provinces of Buenos Aires (15,594,428), Buenos Aires City (2,891,082), Entre Rios (1,236,300), Santa Fe (3,200,736), Corrientes (993,338)
-Uruguay (3,324,460)
-Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul (11,207,274)

Plus the colonial possessions described above, more or less. Sulawesi for one may be a bit much.

I'm thinking I will call this nation the Republic of Argentia (far from the most creative name, but has a Newfoundland pedigree!), and my operating assumption at the present moment is that it may be almost a Gandvian South Africa, and a way, however crudely, to tie the whole rotten bundle of incomplete and messy ideas together in a historical sense. By Gandvian South Africa I sort of mean that the place may have been colonized, to begin with, by Calvinist and other Reformed-Protestant cast-offs from a Gandvian Reformation that developed mainly in a Lutheran direction, after some Gandvian explorer nominally planted the flag in the area some time around maybe 1550 or so. Due to the distances involved, and issues of sea access, direct Gandvian control would likely have never been strong, while I'd imagine also that the colony attracted protestant migrants from throughout Europe while simultaneously exterminating local natives with a single-minded zeal.

As Argentia grows in population and power, perhaps defeating both Spanish attempts at conquest and Riga's efforts to assert itself there, it also strikes out overseas, taking advantage of its access to European technology, and driven also by a considerable degree of missionary fervor, to subjugate a number of cultures worldwide in the interest of spreading the Christian message and in line with a desire to capture new markets. Anahuac may then have been brought under Argentia's control between 1870 and 1890, when a combination of the native Nahua empire's growing indebtedness, increasing reliance on foreign experts with their own specific agendas in bureaucratic fields, and the pressure of European settlement, encouraged at first as an aspect of modernization efforts but soon becoming impossible to stop or regulate, combined in an Argentian military takeover and the installation of a settler-controlled puppet regime. A similar dynamic might have furnished Argentia with its other overseas possessions.

Most other information would be the same as before, broadly. This would not be a particularly rich country, per-capita GDP probably in the $15,000 range for the metropolitan republic and $3,000-$5,000 for the colonies, economy somewhat industrialized and heavily tariff-protected. Government again a representative democracy according to constitutional language though with a very powerful executive and exhibiting some decidedly authoritarian characteristics, plus perhaps a disconcerting tolerance for open fascism.

In terms of international relations, Argentia would probably be, or would seek to be, friendly with the Anglo-Amerique tendency, and may have played a part in Drapoel struggles, depending on what is decided.

Anyway, this may just be another undercooked idea courtesy of yours truly, but it might help to fill-in South America a little bit, and I think still leaves enough space for a few more thoroughly viable states in the neighborhood.

[Chrinthanium]

GAH! I had written a reply only to be pipped at the post!

So, then, this is all Gandvian now? I'm confused.

[Tiaraan]

GAH! I had written a reply only to be pipped at the post!

So, then, this is all Gandvian now? I'm confused.

By the looks of it, it seems like he's playing with nation ideas and where they're placed, seeing as his other idea from a few posts ago involves territory claimed by well...you and your glorious Spanish nation.

Honestly, idk either but hey, I'm a newb so

[Chrinthanium]

GAH! I had written a reply only to be pipped at the post!

So, then, this is all Gandvian now? I'm confused.

By the looks of it, it seems like he's playing with nation ideas and where they're placed, seeing as his other idea from a few posts ago involves territory claimed by well...you and your glorious Spanish nation.

Honestly, idk either but hey, I'm a newb so

Yes, welll, Tiaraan, you've been given the go ahead by your direct neighbor to place your nation where you want it. So welcome to AMW!

And as far as TCB goes, I have discussed this in IRC with him. I will be retaining all the Iberian Peninsula to keep the Iberian nation united. So, now that I know what's up, I'm all for TCB's new idea. Also, no objections to Sulawesi from me.

[Tiaraan]

Thank you very much Chrinthanium, and Drapol especially.

[Chrinthanium]

ACtually, while we're discussing claims.......

I wanted to put this forward. I wanted to expand Chrinthania to encompass all of remaining Brazil. That's every Brazilian state with the exception of Rio Grande do Sul, which is part of TCB's new claim. That would give Chrinthania a population of 191,561,288. I would make the GDP per cap 17,000, giving it a GDP of 3.3ish trillion. I can adjust that down if you think it is too high. Keep in mind that Spain and Chrinthania are two separate nations now, so Spanish populations aren't going to count towards it.

I suppose that I will give a very brief historical overview of Chrinthania here and how it came to be what it is perhaps to help put into context what I'm aiming for. Essentially, the Iberians come and lay claim to portions of what would eventually become Chrinthania. The Captaincy of Brazil, the Captaincy of Nueva España, the Captaincy of Novo Lusitania (and maybe a few others to break it up nicely historically). And these colonies constitute the bulk of the Spanish/Portuguese Empire (I think I might make that an Iberian Union between both nations, but that's for another topic). They ebb and flow between loyal colonies and rebellious scum over the years until the Great War, when Iberia is invaded by Valendia. The colonies, at this time somewhat disenchanted with Imperial rule, but nonetheless outraged by Valendia, come to the aid of Iberia along with the other Aventine powers. Great War ends, Iberia gets back on its feet, but it cannot afford to keep the empire in tact.

The several colonies unite into one nation, get their independence from Madrid rather easily, giving Iberia preferred trading partner status, of course (because, of course, if you're going to give up a colony, particularly a big one, might as well get something out of the deal, right?) and voila, we have an independent Chrinthania.

Militarily, it will retain a defense force, a blue-water navy of some kind, a moderate air force, and a decent army. I think, all told, I might allow for 350,000-400,000 active military personnel with around 200,000 reserves. It can't go off and start a war with a far-off power, but if a far-off power comes knocking at the front door, guns drawn, it could, in theory, give that invading power a hard time for a while before either folding and failing, or sneaking out a win by the skin of its teeth.

I posted this to alleviate any fears that I'm going big and bad here. The goal is to be big, yes. But not powerful enough to do any international meddling.. with the exception of its own back yard if need be.

Current map with current proposals. That's what the map would look like with the addition of TCB's new idea, Tiaraan, who is approved, and my expanded Chrinthania.

[Arumdaum]

Current map with current proposals.

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[Arumdaum]

Well, I expect the Tia'raan nation to be about approximately the size of maybe Greece, or a little bit smaller? It's not too small but not the size of like, France or Germany. Considering their long period of isolation and recent rise in involvement in modern international politics, I don't expect them to be too wealthy, I'd give it maybe the wealth of a modern western European nation. As for military, much of their military equipment is cold war era status but is slowly modernizing, but remains mostly a self defense force.

I don't entirely care as to what physical environment I'm placed in, but a violent region might spice things up a bit, whatever works to help make my RP experience interesting. So long as they're not an island nation . (Assuming this is what you meant by physical environment).

Having the wealth of a modern Western European nation would place your nation among the world's richest. This shouldn't really be possible for a nation which until only recently was very isolated, unless you have, say, something like large oil reserves, which I don't think the area you claimed possesses.

[Chrinthanium]

Current map with current proposals.

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Sorry. I forgot you weren't on the map yet.

[Chrinthanium]

Korea: all~
Russia: Far Eastern Federal District (excl. Iturup and the other Kuril Islands below that)
US: Alaska, Washington state, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming
China:
- Heilongjiang: Mudanjiang, Jiamusi, Jixi, Shuangyashan, Yichun, Qitaihe, Hegang, Heihe, Da Hinggan Ling
- Jilin: Baishan, Jilin City, Tonghua, Yanbian

Ugh, portions that aren't on the map. I seriously hate that.

Sufficed to say, it is done for now. God help any of you if your change your claims. I will find you and hunt you down.

So Arumdaum doesn't feel left out

[The Crooked Beat]

Was just about to lecture Chrin on the Brazilian military, but good thing I checked the information first, because my assumptions were totally wrong! Basically Chrin is right on the mark in that respect.

[Chrinthanium]

Was just about to lecture Chrin on the Brazilian military, but good thing I checked the information first, because my assumptions were totally wrong! Basically Chrin is right on the mark in that respect.

That's mighty nice of you Everyone once in a great while I get something right XD

[Tiaraan]

I wish to expand Tia'raan to the area in black, only if this is acceptable

[Chrinthanium]

At first glance, I can't think of a reasonable objection... so you at least have my support.

[Arumdaum]

While I wouldn't mind you claiming that area, I am taking an issue with how it's being roleplayed.

It's 2015, meaning that all of the land on Earth (probably excluding Antarctica) should be claimed, and governments with at least some centralized measure of control. The area you plan on expanding has a population significantly larger than yours, with a population of around 7.4 million people. You're claiming much of the Mekong River Delta, an extremely rich and fertile agricultural area that's been a major population area for millennia. If you claimed one more tiny province bordering what you just claimed, which would include Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), the area you would be trying to conquer would have ~15.4 million people, roughly three times your population.

I'm a bit concerned as to how other nations would react toward Tia'raan invading another nation simply in order to expand the amount of territory under its control.

[Chrinthanium]

While I wouldn't mind you claiming that area, I am taking an issue with how it's being roleplayed.

It's 2015, meaning that all of the land on Earth (probably excluding Antarctica) should be claimed, and governments with at least some centralized measure of control. The area you plan on expanding has a population significantly larger than yours, with a population of around 7.4 million people. You're claiming much of the Mekong River Delta, an extremely rich and fertile agricultural area that's been a major population area for millennia. If you claimed one more tiny province bordering what you just claimed, which would include Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon), the area you would be trying to conquer would have ~15.4 million people, roughly three times your population.

I'm a bit concerned as to how other nations would react toward Tia'raan invading another nation simply in order to expand the amount of territory under its control.

Considering how many people are in your claim, perhaps that is not an objection for you to make. In the grand scheme of AMW, a 7.4 million OR a 16 million addition to a claim that was already extremely small (around 3-4 million) is not that big of a deal and it still would leave Tiaraan the smallest claim in AMW (Around 15-19 million). There's no reason to object on the ground of population to this expansion. IN fact, I never understood why Tiaraan kept it so small in the first place and think this addition actually makes sense in the current context of AMW.

Once the area is Tiaraan's, how it is RPed internally isn't that big of a deal. There aren't many, if any, AMW nations that would probably intervene in SE Asia knowing that Drapol is looming on the border of Tiaraan. I have a real sense that if this becomes an issue with "Western" powers in AMW and something is done to interfere, that Drapol will not go looking to invade Tiaraan for the sake of expansion, but for the sake of keeping "The West" out of Southeast Asia--which it has already done quite successfully.

Furthermore, so often in AMW, those who wanted to be expansionist did so in their history. I think it's a bit interesting to see this carried out in the present. Gives not only something for the other players in AMW to comment on in news posts, but brings a little more activity to a group that has generally been slow to move throughout its existence.

Also, how is farming going to significantly increase GDP? Generally speaking, agrarian areas tend to have overall lower economic output than industrial and commercial areas.

As far as how other nations would react in a more concrete sense... Spain will do nothing and Chrinthania will go surfing. It's too far away, too few people, and we've no real interest in that side of the world.

Overall, none of what Tiaraan is doing is upsetting the balance in AMW, so to speak. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. None of what is being asked for is unreasonable, the expansionism in the present is not too much unlike how the RL Western powers, and many of AMW's current nations, would up expanding in the past (including Korea), and that fertile delta area would not significantly improve economic standards in Tiaraan. I don't see any reason to object to what Tiaraan is asking for or doing.

[Arumdaum]

Considering how many people are in your claim, perhaps that is not an objection for you to make. In the grand scheme of AMW, a 7.4 million OR a 16 million addition to a claim that was already extremely small (around 3-4 million) is not that big of a deal and it still would leave Tiaraan the smallest claim in AMW (Around 15-19 million). There's no reason to object on the ground of population to this expansion. IN fact, I never understood why Tiaraan kept it so small in the first place and think this addition actually makes sense in the current context of AMW.

Once the area is Tiaraan's, how it is RPed internally isn't that big of a deal. There aren't many, if any, AMW nations that would probably intervene in SE Asia knowing that Drapol is looming on the border of Tiaraan. I have a real sense that if this becomes an issue with "Western" powers in AMW and something is done to interfere, that Drapol will not go looking to invade Tiaraan for the sake of expansion, but for the sake of keeping "The West" out of Southeast Asia--which it has already done quite successfully.

Furthermore, so often in AMW, those who wanted to be expansionist did so in their history. I think it's a bit interesting to see this carried out in the present. Gives not only something for the other players in AMW to comment on in news posts, but brings a little more activity to a group that has generally been slow to move throughout its existence.

Also, how is farming going to significantly increase GDP? Generally speaking, agrarian areas tend to have overall lower economic output than industrial and commercial areas.

As far as how other nations would react in a more concrete sense... Spain will do nothing and Chrinthania will go surfing. It's too far away, too few people, and we've no real interest in that side of the world.

Overall, none of what Tiaraan is doing is upsetting the balance in AMW, so to speak. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. None of what is being asked for is unreasonable, the expansionism in the present is not too much unlike how the RL Western powers, and many of AMW's current nations, would up expanding in the past (including Korea), and that fertile delta area would not significantly improve economic standards in Tiaraan. I don't see any reason to object to what Tiaraan is asking for or doing.

Virtually none of that is very relevant to my post. The first sentence of my post literally says that I was completely fine with him extending his area of control, and that my qualms arose from how he was roleplaying his acquisition of it.

His population will remain miniscule to me. His GDP will remain miniscule to me.

Before I got him to edit his post, he had written that the area was believed to be previously uninhabited, but was now found to be inhabited by various small city-states and tribes, some of who were now deciding to join him, and some of whom were now resisting. I pointed out that it would difficult for millions of people in a wealthy agricultural area, connected in every way to the rest of the mainland and located in a crossroads of trade to have historically gone unnoticed. Impossible, in fact.

I was also pointing out that a nation would definitely already be existing there, as Tia'raan had previously believed that blank areas on the map did not have a government (as stated on chat).

Furthermore, I wanted to point out that the area he was RPing as invading was more considerably more populous than he. That was why I had brought up population. Not because I somehow thought that him expanding his population from a bit over 5 million to around 15 - 20 million was too much, which is honestly pretty ridiculous.

He had previously written his post saying that the expansion into the south was merely for territorial expansion, a reason which would most likely be unacceptable in even AMW's 21st century. Other countries are at least expanding under the guise of "the white man's burden" or attempting to protect Asia or something, but the official justification at the time had merely been to expand for the glory of the nation or something.

I suggested to him that he should simply have had all of it for a while, and have taken it over a considerable while ago, but he said that was boring. I eventually got him to change it to how it currently is, though.