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[Chrinthanium]

Not so certain on the Pacific NW being integral to a Korean claim even in a colonial aspect. That being said, considering my claim, I have no real room to use any real objections to it at all. For AMW's sake, I'm for the application because it shows that Arumdaum has come up with an idea and put some thought into it. No need to worry about any objection from me, though I'm hardly involved in Asia.

[Arumdaum]

Following some discussion with Chrin and TCB, it was brought up whether the Maritime Provinces of the Russian Far East should be divided between Korea and Japan, since TCB plans on Gandvik having mainly fumbled around before industrializing mostly in the 1940s, and since East Asia is seeming to be stronger and more outward-looking.

[23:11] <TCB> of course, the question is, if Korea is so quick out of the gate, does it really make sense for Gandvik to have the Maritime Provinces at all?
[23:11] <TCB> given that Gandvik fumbled around until the 1940s before it really got industrialized, or at least that's my current working idea
[23:11] <TCB> maybe you and NG should just split 'em?

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I made a map of a potential division of what is currently Gandvik's territories. The additions to my territory would add roughly 15.6 million people to my population, pushing my current population up to a bit under 107 million people.

I attached Baishan, Jilin City, Tonghua, and Yanbian from Jilin to Korea, as well as Mudanjiang from Heilongjiang and Russia's Primorsky Krai. The additions here contain just over 15 million people. In the bit that's unattached to the peninsula, I added Kamchatka Krai, Magadan, and Chukotka. The additions here contain a bit over half a million people.

I'd really like to obtain NG's input regarding this, but obviously also everyone else's since that's what I need for it to be accepted.

[The Crooked Beat]

Yes, given my recent thinking on the likely course of Gandvian history during the 19th century, and the albeit incompletely-discussed possibility that Gandvik may have waged a sort of Great Game with the Shield for control of western and central Siberia for much of that period, the likes of which might have prevented the construction of anything like a Trans-Siberian Railroad until the 1920s or 1930s, it seems to make sense that a rapidly-industrializing and militarizing Japan, and a Korea which may have been on largely the same course, would have planted their flags over the region first, and probably by the time it would have wanted to do so Gandvik wouldn't have possessed the strength to take the area itself by means short of nuclear blackmail.

I wonder, though, after looking at that map, whether it really makes much sense to divide the potentially-Korean territories in two like that, since the question of how such a geographical arrangement was implemented to begin with is immediately raised, and the northern area in question, Magadan, Chukotka, and Kamchatka, are a lot closer to the Japanese core territory than the Korean. The population loss or gain at stake is less than a million people, and I can't imagine that the local mineral and oil deposits would be so significant as to grant one power an advantage stronger than could be compensated for by another means.

[Chrinthanium]

I pretty much agree with TCB on the splitting of the Korean territories idea. It just doesn't seem to fit right to me.

[Arumdaum]

I agree that me having divided my potential territories in two like that was awkward. I thought it would be weird for Gandvik to remain in control of it, for me to just take all of it, or for Japan to simply gain control of the vast majority of land opened up.

I don't necessarily need the claim. As stated, the population is minuscule and mineral deposits probably don't amount to that much. I was actually assuming that the area would be a drain on Korea economically. I wouldn't mind if Japan took control of the area.

I assumed that it would go in hand with my land in Alaska and the PNW, and that the claims would reinforce each other, since Korea seems to be somewhat cut off its territories in North America by Japan's wall of islands in the Pacific. However, considering examples in IRL history and perhaps also in AMW, I'm sure something could be worked out for me to maintain general contact with my territories in NA.

[Nova Gaul]

Sorry about the long delay!

I love the claim, and as a resident can appreciate the nuances of it. I wholeheartedly support it Arumdaum.

In regards to the Far East, to be honest, given the evolution Japan has taken, I think they'd be more or less not interested. Their search for minerals focused southwards in the Pacific, hence their role in the Great War/Pacific War such as it was and their desire for Borneo. So I'd be inclined to let you have the lot, really.

I think the opportunity for Korea and Japan not to have a bloody history presents a great prospect for RP. Certainly, AMW's Japan was mainly maritime as I said, so they'd have little reason to act aggressively towards Korea. And contributing to this would be the lack of China/Russian involvement and competition in the East. My take on it briefly is that the relationship would have been harmonious if for no other reason than aggression would have benefited neither side. Now, certainly, in their own minds the Japanese would see themselves as the best thing in Asia, but I don't think that would lead to violence so much as a muted sense of cultural superiority. After all, Japan's main drive is to displace the decadent and meddling Western powers from their market share in the 3rd world. But by and large I can see a mutually beneficial relationship.

That said, Japan would be immediately reactive should Korea start forming alliances with the Americans, as such a move would be seen as an act of aggression. Wars would have been waged by Japan to prevent any Western intrusion into the Far East. If Korea was more inclined to look for alliances in Asia, they'd find no better friend than Japan.

Just a few thoughts: mainly, help yourself to the Far East and I support the claim.

[Arumdaum]

Yay!

When would relations between Japan and Amerique have gone bad?

I don't think Korea would have a modern alliance with Amerique, although there aren't many reasons for relations to be bad between Amerique and Korea, with the only thorn in our relations right now being our different attitudes toward Japan. Furthermore, Korea would have historically been forced to maintain good relations with some of its neighbors in North America in order to retain its sparsely populated territories there.

However, I am flirting with the idea that Korea may potentially have provided some help to Japan during the Great War, which could potentially cause outrage in my North American neighbors and result in some sort of economic malaise or depression in my territories in the PNW. California may be more economically tied to us than other nations, however. I agree that a war between Korea and Japan would bring much more to us in devastation than in any potential benefits.

Korea would also be interested, however, in displacing the West with East Asians, especially in Asia. I think we could have some sort of shared sentiment of "Asia for the Asians." It'd be rather hypocritical considering Korea's retention of non-Korean territories, but I don't think that that's something that would really matter~

http://i.imgur.com/ziFdbD3.png

Okay, so I'll take the Russian Far Eastern Federal District, with the exclusion of the Kuril Islands that are currently in Japan's control. Furthermore, I will claim Heilongjiang with the exclusion of Harbin, Daqing (muh oil ;_;), Suihua, and Qiqihar, rather than just having Mudanjiang. This boosts my population to 121,796,422, an increase of roughly another 15 million, but around 30 million more than my initial claim of just Korea and the PNW + Alaska.

edit: Chrin, I ended up falling asleep yesterday but I still saw your message to me on chat. From what I remember, the area TCB was giving up wasn't exactly specified, but I thought that not taking Sakha would result in me having an awkward claim that simply stuck to the coast. I was also a bit lazy to petition Sakha, and simply having all of the Far Eastern Federal District made it a lot easier to figure out my population + area, and made me able to type in less names on my claim.

If TCB thinks it's too much, we could work something out to where I get enough of Sakha to not have my claim look really weird and sticking only to the coast while Gandvik retains control of a lot of it, since Sakha has massive mineral reserves. If not, then I'll be fine not having Sakha.

[Beddgelert]

It seems like it may be hard for Korea to stay out of the Great War, but also tough to get through it and still have all of the present territories, given that they'd definitely and almost immediately be defeated in North America by the British, Americans, and Californians, and then probably face half the Gandvian army in the Russian far east.

I suppose there'd have to be some sort of big changes post-war allowing a reformed/sufficiently-punished Korea to retain its holdings. Could some dynasty be dethroned, or some system of government replaced after the war?

On the other hand, is it not a bit difficult to see why Korea would join the war, surely knowing full well that it'd struggle to last a month in the PNW? Unless the war gets a lot bigger, and maybe Korea and Japan both ship major forces to America, and maybe get the Gulfers to join in. It's about time North America actually got its hands dirty, y'know...

[Arumdaum]

A dynasty could be overthrown, but having a new dynasty arise during the 1940s seemed a bit odd. It also seems odd to retain the whole thing where voting is a privilege acquired by passing a test thing, but I wouldn't mind if that was abolished if I lost during the war. The Korean monarchy shouldn't really have that much power.

I was thinking that perhaps Korea wouldn't get officially involved during the war, but staying out may be difficult depending on what others say. I don't think I'd really be able to pull a Franco since Korea wouldn't just have come out of a devastating civil war.

If tensions arose between Korea and its neighbors in North America, I may have strengthened defenses in Alaska and the PNW before any possible war. If Britain, America, and California are okay with it, then I could have lost territories in say BC, Yukon, the Dakotas or Nebraska, and parts of Northern California/Nevada/Utah, leading to the ridiculously straight borders currently in existence.

Would it have been possible to have been in the war but not at war with all of the Aventine powers, like the US in WWI and Japan/USSR for most of WWII?

Korea should be fairly democratic at the time. Would we have had some Great Depression kind of thing to foster the creation of authoritarian governments?

[The Crooked Beat]

Although I was definitely looking forward to a degree of Korean-Japanese hostility, I suppose a Korea that in the latter half of the 1800s and early 1900s was an industrializing and at least Japan-level nation would really have enjoyed a decisive head start over a Gandvik which, at that point in time, may have still seemed to many outside observers approximately equal in power to the Shield.

So, even though I'm reluctant to give up all of Gandvik's far eastern territories now that Korea and Japan stand to be best of friends, rather than territorial rivals, in historical terms I really can't see much of a way around it. Even if Gandvik did at one time expand to Russia's full territorial extent in Asia, I'd have to imagine that the temptation for Korea or Japan, or both in unison, to seize those areas by force would've been overwhelming, and until Gandvian manufacturing, and not to mention nuclear research, really kicked into high gear between 1930 and 1950, there wouldn't have been a great deal that Riga could have done about it, Khalkhin Gol-style battles of mechanized annihilation having simply not been an option for a Gandvik that was not only significantly less heavily-industrialized than the Soviet Union, but significantly less enthusiastic about tanks as well.

I guess when it comes to the Great War in North America, yeah, how exactly things might have turned out would depend on a lot of variables. I simply can't imagine Korea, however strong it was at that point in time, being able to hold on to all its North American territories if fighting broke out with Amerique, given that its population would only have been a fraction of Amerique's at that point in time, and the terrain in question would have been ideal for the tens of thousands of armored vehicles being churned out by the great automobile factories of the Midwest. Then again, I'm sure Korea could just as easily have kept quiet, and nobody would've tried to bother it overmuch at a time when everything else was falling apart, so long as the Japanese fleet didn't drop anchor in Puget Sound or anything.

Basically what BG was saying. Korea would stand to lose its North American territories awfully quick in a shooting war with Amerique, at that point in time, so maybe 'armed neutrality' would have been its best bet?

I suppose Gandvik would also have had a lot more people than Korea until just recently, going by RL statistics, but I've been operating under an assumption that Gandvik was a lot less populous than the corresponding RL Russian territories, and I've tried to account for the apocalyptic drop in the real-life Soviet population by figuring-in a more gradual growth rate from a lower starting point. Maybe, then, in the 1930s-1940s, Gandvik wouldn't have had significantly more people than say Italy?

[Arumdaum]

I was actually hoping from the beginning that Korea would remain militarily neutral throughout the war, as Korea is looking to be a bit screwed regardless of whichever side it joins, having to choose between either devastation of the home peninsula or the seizure of its North American territories and possibly Siberia, Korea being much less populated than and likely economically tied to Japan, and the PNW being much less populated and economically tied to California and Amerique.

To be honest though, staying neutral doesn't sound so exciting.

I don't necessarily think that Korea and Japan would be the best of friends, although they would likely come to together as what they see as Western chauvinism and discriminatory treatment against them as Asians in global relations, in a way similar to how Japan felt about itself in relation to the West during the time period.

There probably will be a rivalry between Korea and Japan for influence in Southeast Asia (and possibly China, depending on how it turns out), but these should be able to be downplayed or emphasized depending on other issues which pit them either together or against each other.

In terms of territorial disputes... eh... there's really not much I think either of us would want from each other. There could perhaps be some minor disputes regarding some of the Kurils, Sakhalin, or possibly even Hokkaido (though I feel really uncomfortable about having a territorial dispute over Hokkaido), but I don't really see anything major.

I think based on the current map, there's a good chance of there having been some sort of historical rivalry with Gandvik over mineral reserves and the fur trade in Siberia, which may pit Korea closer to the West (apart from during the Great War), and perhaps cause relations which Japan to be occasionally awkward.

Would it be wrong for Korea to try to maintain good relations with both America and Japan? This being despite the probable frustration likely to be felt by both America and Japan at times.

I've also been thinking that Korea's population growth would be different from how it occurred in real life due to Korea having industrialized faster in this timeline.

[Chrinthanium]

Here's my suggestion, Arumdaum....

If you want to side with Japan in the Great War, then don't claim anything in North America. Otherwise, you'll have to deal with being overrun in North America and trying to find a way to appease the powers-that-be there in order to not have had your North American territory absorbed into another nation. I don't agree with this scenario for you, but that's what has to be done in order to appease the Great War Monster that consumes us all--willingly and unwillingly.

Personally, under the circumstances, I would go with North and South Korea, the parts of Gandvik that TCB is willing to part with, and a bigger portion of China to compensate for not having Alaska and Pacific Northwest if you choose to side with Japan. It may not be full of resources, but not everyone is lucky enough to have them in the real world.

I have been stating that Alaska and the Pacific North West don't feel like they fit into your idea to me. Not that I don't want you to have them, but the idea you're pitching will require a certain price to be paid for it. And I'd rather not have your claim remain in relative limbo as a result of it. I feel that you'll be a valued member of the group and have no issue with you being here--as seems to be the case from everyone else. So, you're pretty much in, we just need to nail down what, exactly, your claim encompasses geographically speaking.

[Tiaraan]

o/, new to Nation States and forum roleplaying in general so forgive my noobness. Poking around and looking for a place to settle down in regards to a roleplaying scenario and I found a few likely candidates so...here it goes:

History

The Tia'raan State, as a unified nation, didn't begin until early into the Middle Ages where paranoia of the unknown drew 4 small states together and formed the Tia'raan Protectorate. The Protectorate lasted up until 1600 when corruption and ethnocentrism created a split between the Tia'raan and the other nations and nearly resulted in the complete extermination of the Hectopaan ethnic group. In 1800 into very early 1900s, the Tia'raan remained generally oppressed by the Bal'ran and Kharvaan until 1910 when another civil war broke out, leading to the formation of the now modern Federal Republic of Tia'raan. Only very recently, into the late 20th century did the Federal Republic decide to pursue involvement in international politics and finally completely shed its isolationist stance.

Religion

The Covenant of the Trinity is the dominant religion in the Federal Republic, followed by Buddhism, Hinduism, and Other. The Covenant follows the belief that our very existence was created by three gods, the God of Creation, Goddess of Preservation, and the God of Destruction. Life revolves around their divine will, and that fate is dictated by their actions. You could fall and break your hip because it is their will.

The Trinity, it is informally known as, is primarily centered in the Hectopaan and the Bal'ran states, where both groups keep with old traditions and tend to be more conservative in the political spectrum.

Society and Culture

Culture in the Federal Republic is determined by which ethnic group, which state you hail from. For argument sake, we'll use the Tia'raan:

The Tia'raan are hard-working, proud, and perfectionist. The stereotypical Tia'raan male typically works long hour shifts and is paid relatively handsomely for his efforts. A Tia'raan household is simplistic, and usually reflects on the person's core beliefs or personality. Tia'raan women are generally the same, but value self preservation and beauty more then hard-work, which reflects on a Tia'raans desire for perfect.

Government

The Legislative Body of the Federal Republic is a bicameral system comprised of the Unitary Council in the Upper House and the Chamber of Representation in the Lower House. The Unitary Council is a proportional based system of representation where 3 representatives per state are apart of the Unitary Council. Due to the small number of states, only 12 Unitarians (meaning those who are apart of the Unitary Council) sit in the Unitary Council. The Chamber of Representation, is representation based upon the population of each state. Approximately 45 Representatives sit in the Chamber.

The Legislation is called the Protectorate Council, and its "Speaker" is the Council Representative. The current representative is Victor Wolf.

A President and Vice President serve in the Executive Branch. A President is elected every 5 years.

The Supreme Court is the judicial branch, who's job is to interpret the law. The Supreme Court is made up of 1 justice per state, and since there are 4 states, there are 4 justices. One of the justices is appointed as the Supreme Justice. The current Supreme Justice is a Bal'ran native: Alex Whitman, the first female Supreme Justice in the Federal Republic.

The States and the Federal Government tend be separate yet equal, in a way. Each state has its own military, while the government has its own Federal military which is funded by the states, as well as through federal tax dollars and various other methods. The states regulate most laws themselves, while the Federal government keeps the states in check with some (i.e legalization of drugs, capital punishment, etc.).

Economy

Despite being isolated, the Federal Republic (and its predecessor, the Protectorate) has relied on foreign imports for various items including foodstuffings, exotic spices, military hardware (on some occasions), and rarely raw materials for construction or various other requirements. Despite that, the Federal Republic remained self-sufficient, the various states manufacturing goods for each other, relying on each other to survive. Tia'raan products have been known to be simplistic, and generally difficult to break reflecting on their values of perfection. The primary currency was adopted during the Industrial Revolution in order to improve business between the states and keep trade simple, and said currency would be known as the Credit.

International Trade is regulated by the Federal government.


That should be it...please say so if there are any issues with this.

Thanks o/

[Chrinthanium]

Welcome to NationStates!

I am the resident mapper (cartographer would be reserved for someone with more skill than myself) and I wanted to give your my input on this application.

It feels like there is some potential here, but I'm also finding it a bit too generalized in order to form a full opinion on it. I'd like to see some more specifics regarding your economy, your military, your culture, and your government before I lend an approval to it. It should also be noted that there is a map on the second post of this thread with a map showing what areas are currently unclaimed. There is a pending application, however, for parts of Far East Asia, Korea, Alaska, and the Pacific NW of the USA, which isn't shown on the current map.

[Arumdaum]

Welcome to NationStates!

I am the resident mapper (cartographer would be reserved for someone with more skill than myself) and I wanted to give your my input on this application.

It feels like there is some potential here, but I'm also finding it a bit too generalized in order to form a full opinion on it. I'd like to see some more specifics regarding your economy, your military, your culture, and your government before I lend an approval to it. It should also be noted that there is a map on the second post of this thread with a map showing what areas are currently unclaimed. There is a pending application, however, for parts of Far East Asia, Korea, Alaska, and the Pacific NW of the USA, which isn't shown on the current map.

I'm still pending? q__q

[Chrinthanium]

Welcome to NationStates!

I am the resident mapper (cartographer would be reserved for someone with more skill than myself) and I wanted to give your my input on this application.

It feels like there is some potential here, but I'm also finding it a bit too generalized in order to form a full opinion on it. I'd like to see some more specifics regarding your economy, your military, your culture, and your government before I lend an approval to it. It should also be noted that there is a map on the second post of this thread with a map showing what areas are currently unclaimed. There is a pending application, however, for parts of Far East Asia, Korea, Alaska, and the Pacific NW of the USA, which isn't shown on the current map.

I'm still pending? q__q

And will remain so until I know exactly what you're claiming. I know it's Alaska, Pacific NW, N & S Korea, and parts of Far East Asia, but I haven't seen an actual formal list of what is being claimed.

[Arumdaum]

Korea: all~
Russia: Far Eastern Federal District (excl. Iturup and the other Kuril Islands below that)
US: Alaska, Washington state, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming
China:
- Heilongjiang: Mudanjiang, Jiamusi, Jixi, Shuangyashan, Yichun, Qitaihe, Hegang, Heihe, Da Hinggan Ling
- Jilin: Baishan, Jilin City, Tonghua, Yanbian

[Nova Gaul]

I think Arumdum, I’d phrase it like you’ve been accepted but the last steps of your application are just being finalized.

As to the Great War, Japan was (as far as we can say anything about the Pacific War decisively at this point, but we seem to be getting more decisive, so that’s good!) completely bogged down in operations against Walmington in Southeast Asia and their American Allies, and with the latter playing a slow defense/offense war in the South Pacific. I am sure Rising Sun would have been happy to assist Morning Calm with several divisions at least in the Russian Far East, although significant material support would have been rather limited. The goal was to beat the British in Southeast Asia, and that would have required every scrap of material Japan could muster up.

This would make any support of Korean-American possessions totally impossible. Even if TUGS had (doubtfully) seem the wisdom of East Asia’s cause, the sheer cost of supporting operations across the Pacific while simultaneously committing to several massive offensives in Southeast Asia and the Pacific would have been unfeasible. So, if Korea did have American claims and fought with Japan in the Great/Pacific War, I think it is inevitable they would have been seized rather quickly.

In regards to a shared history, I am sure Japan and Korea share much in common culturally. Certainly, the Japanese government would support the more reactionary forces in the current Korean government, and this might be aided by the fact that historically Japan never tried to bully, brutalize, or otherwise harass Korea. Yet I think the bottom line is the Japanese, given their own paradigm, would be forced to see Korea in one of two ways: with Japan, or against Japan. That is, do they want to assist Japan in creating a self-sufficient East Asia (where some rivalry would be expected, but more on a corporate than geo-political level, hence an enduring alliance would make sense and suit Tokyo very well indeed) or does Korea want to flirt with the Western Powers Japan is currently contending with (including a venomous hate for California after the Anahuac debacle, barely contained ire at America’s involvement in anything Asian, and wariness in general about British power…in which case Japan would see Korea as a strategic threat and a Cold War might ensue)?

So that is what things look like to me from where I sit. It’d be hard to imagine allies more natural than Japan and Korea, equitable allies moreover, but I can see why Korea might want to chart its own course and engage the world according to more independent standards.

Back to my first point: I’m sure you’re in Arumdaum, we just need to sort things out about territory, I think that’s what Chrin Map-Lord was saying. But I think we all love the idea, and the basics are very well thought out.

Tiaraan: I think the history and culture are really interesting, but some specifics are needed too I believe: population, territory in mind, hard economic facts, etc. After all, your neighborhood is bound to impact your claim. I look forward to reading more.

[Tiaraan]

Tiaraan: I think the history and culture are really interesting, but some specifics are needed too I believe: population, territory in mind, hard economic facts, etc. After all, your neighborhood is bound to impact your claim. I look forward to reading more.

So how do you suggest I go about properly editing my application, just edit the original post or?

[The United Gulf States]

Oh, no, you don't have to re-write, or to edit, this isn't a very 'formal' atmosphere. Plenty of room for spit-balling.

Do you have any ideas, vague or specific, about how large you'd like the nation to be, how wealthy, how militaristic? Or about what sort of physical environment you'd like it placed in?



Meanwhile...

In the Great War, the Federacy was somewhat seduced by previous Geletian military success and their sudden and effortless domination of the vast Congo, and by Valendian power and prosperity in Europe, and took an interest in the Pact of Oak as soon as it was revealed in 1939. As things stand, Fredonia was ready to join the war on the Oakist side, but realised itself surrounded and out-matched by California, America, and Canada, with no allies at all on the continent, and so went isolationist until the 1960s. That could change, but only if there's significant other anti-Aventine force near-by.

[Tiaraan]

Well, I expect the Tia'raan nation to be about approximately the size of maybe Greece, or a little bit smaller? It's not too small but not the size of like, France or Germany. Considering their long period of isolation and recent rise in involvement in modern international politics, I don't expect them to be too wealthy, I'd give it maybe the wealth of a modern western European nation. As for military, much of their military equipment is cold war era status but is slowly modernizing, but remains mostly a self defense force.

I don't entirely care as to what physical environment I'm placed in, but a violent region might spice things up a bit, whatever works to help make my RP experience interesting. So long as they're not an island nation . (Assuming this is what you meant by physical environment).

[Chrinthanium]

Well, I expect the Tia'raan nation to be about approximately the size of maybe Greece, or a little bit smaller? It's not too small but not the size of like, France or Germany. Considering their long period of isolation and recent rise in involvement in modern international politics, I don't expect them to be too wealthy, I'd give it maybe the wealth of a modern western European nation. As for military, much of their military equipment is cold war era status but is slowly modernizing, but remains mostly a self defense force.

I don't entirely care as to what physical environment I'm placed in, but a violent region might spice things up a bit, whatever works to help make my RP experience interesting. So long as they're not an island nation . (Assuming this is what you meant by physical environment).

What we're looking for is probably a bit of a specific location you'd like to be. You can look at the map on page 1 of this thread which will tell you what is ready for the taking.

[Tiaraan]

Oh, my apologies lol

um...is here ok? It's in southeast asia next to Drapol

[Greater Southern Republic]

Official Name: Greater Southern Republic
Capital: Davis (Atlanta)
Claimed Area: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Kentucky
Area: 437,201.77 Sq Mi
Population: 71,899,640
GDP: $3,247,463 (Millions)
(all are RL figures)

Government

Classification: Republic

President: Randall Stephen "Randy" Townsend
Vice President: Gloria Martinez
Congress: House of Representatives consists of 94 members, Senate consists of 27 members. House districts are drawn up by population. Every member is up for election every 2 years. Each state elects three Senators at large to 6 year terms. A third of the Senate is up for election every 2 years. There are no term limits on the Federal level.

Political Parties: Christian Conservative Party (Center-Right, Small Government), Labor Party (Center Left,Strong Federal Government), Socialist Party (Left, Economic and Social Equality), First Nation Party (Center-Left, First Nation Rights), Southern Republican Party (Right-Wing, Nationalistic), Green Party (Left, Environmental)

State Governments: Each of the 9 states elects a governor and a state legislature.
Ethnicity: 57% White, 13% African, 8% Hispanic, 6% Native 3% Mixed Race, 2% Asian, 11% Combined Total of "Other" Races
Languages: English (official), Spanish, Native (primarily Seminole), Gullah,
Religion: Roman Catholic 68%, Protestant 20%, Others 9%, No Religion 3%

Economy: industrialized
Exports: oil, coal, oranges, automobiles
Imports: luxury goods, technology

Short History:The lands that now make up the Greater Southern Republic were largely undiscovered until 500 years ago by European explorers and settler. The lands were populated by various tribes that are now known as the "First Nationers." The most prominent native tribe in the country area were the Seminoles. Initial meetings between the natives and the European settlers were friendly. However, as more Europeans settled in the area, the First Nationers were pushed away from their homelands. The hostility between the two groups led to open hostilities in 1587. A native warrior known only as "Divine Wind" raided several European settlements along the Florida peninsula. After nearly a year of bloodshed, a treaty between the native tribes and settlers was signed. The Treaty of The New World was signed in 1588. It guaranteed that Europeans would not encroach any further on native territory. Even today, there are small pockets of the GSR that are populated solely by First Nation communities.

For the first 250 years of European settlement in the New World, settlers looked to the great powers of Europe to protect them. It wasn't always a cordial relationship, and in time both sides looked to sever the ties. In 1767, Bartholomew Davis, a leading Georgia citizen, was able to negotiate complete independence from the "Southern Lands" and the nations of Europe. After nearly 3 years of fighting amongst themselves, the 9 independent state banded together to form the Greater Southern Republic. In 1772, Bartholomew Davis was elected to the presidency of the GSR.

This is just a short overview of the early history of the GSR (a Cliff's Notes version). I can obviously change things (or work things out with AMW's version of the UK and Spain) to make it work with the rest of the world's backstory.

[Chrinthanium]

Oh, my apologies lol

um...is here ok? It's in southeast asia next to Drapol

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I see no problem with that area. Just remember, in AMW your population is the same as the RL population of the territory you claim. Drapol himself is probably the one who would need to chime in, though, to see if there is probability of shared history between you.

Official Name: Greater Southern Republic
Capital: Davis (Atlanta)
Claimed Area: Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Kentucky
Area: 437,201.77 Sq Mi
Population: 71,899,640
GDP: $3,247,463 (Millions)
(all are RL figures)

Government

Classification: Republic

President: Randall Stephen "Randy" Townsend
Vice President: Gloria Martinez
Congress: House of Representatives consists of 94 members, Senate consists of 27 members. House districts are drawn up by population. Every member is up for election every 2 years. Each state elects three Senators at large to 6 year terms. A third of the Senate is up for election every 2 years. There are no term limits on the Federal level.

Political Parties: Christian Conservative Party (Center-Right, Small Government), Labor Party (Center Left,Strong Federal Government), Socialist Party (Left, Economic and Social Equality), First Nation Party (Center-Left, First Nation Rights), Southern Republican Party (Right-Wing, Nationalistic), Green Party (Left, Environmental)

State Governments: Each of the 9 states elects a governor and a state legislature.
Ethnicity: 57% White, 13% African, 8% Hispanic, 6% Native 3% Mixed Race, 2% Asian, 11% Combined Total of "Other" Races
Languages: English (official), Spanish, Native (primarily Seminole), Gullah,
Religion: Roman Catholic 68%, Protestant 20%, Others 9%, No Religion 3%

Economy: industrialized
Exports: oil, coal, oranges, automobiles
Imports: luxury goods, technology

Short History:The lands that now make up the Greater Southern Republic were largely undiscovered until 500 years ago by European explorers and settler. The lands were populated by various tribes that are now known as the "First Nationers." The most prominent native tribe in the country area were the Seminoles. Initial meetings between the natives and the European settlers were friendly. However, as more Europeans settled in the area, the First Nationers were pushed away from their homelands. The hostility between the two groups led to open hostilities in 1587. A native warrior known only as "Divine Wind" raided several European settlements along the Florida peninsula. After nearly a year of bloodshed, a treaty between the native tribes and settlers was signed. The Treaty of The New World was signed in 1588. It guaranteed that Europeans would not encroach any further on native territory. Even today, there are small pockets of the GSR that are populated solely by First Nation communities.

For the first 250 years of European settlement in the New World, settlers looked to the great powers of Europe to protect them. It wasn't always a cordial relationship, and in time both sides looked to sever the ties. In 1767, Bartholomew Davis, a leading Georgia citizen, was able to negotiate complete independence from the "Southern Lands" and the nations of Europe. After nearly 3 years of fighting amongst themselves, the 9 independent state banded together to form the Greater Southern Republic. In 1772, Bartholomew Davis was elected to the presidency of the GSR.

This is just a short overview of the early history of the GSR (a Cliff's Notes version). I can obviously change things (or work things out with AMW's version of the UK and Spain) to make it work with the rest of the world's backstory.

I am curious about a few things

First of all, your GDP. Your GDP, if I am to take it as written, is 3.24 trillion. That's a GDP per capita of 45,166.61, which is quite high for AMW. In fact, you'd be close to the top. What does your nation do to warrant such a high standard of living? You claim it is industrialized, but I see no mention of what kinds of industry. How much oil? IIRC, most of the Gulf oil is off Louisiana and Texas, which is firmly in someone else's claim. I think your GDP needs to be adjusted downwards. At least, in my opinion, by half, which would still give you a pretty good standard of living as far as AMW goes. I just don't see the American South as having enough industrial infrastructure to warrant such a high GDP.

As the one who has AMW's version of Spain, I am, of course, interested in assisting you in your history. Will help me flesh out mine a bit more other than "Former Roman territory turned nation." Of course, as a Spanish colony, you wouldn't negotiate contracts of your own volition. Those would be done in Madrid on behalf of the greater Spanish Empire. Chances are, if you choose to be a Spanish colony, you would either have to have a war of independence, or there would have to be some major internal issue causing Spain to drop this colony. We just don't go giving up territory because we're asked.

I'd like to see a bit more about how your government works, the culture and religion, your military, and your economy (as stated above) before I lend my okay towards this application. However, it's a decent start.

Perhaps I am being pedantic, but I am curious why it is called the Greater Southern Republic. Would the people of your nation consider themselves southerners? If so, why? What are they south of? Was this a breakaway republic from your northern neighbor, the Greater Republic of America? I know it sounds like I'm being a pain here, but I was just looking for a justification for this name. Obviously, that's not an issue as far as acceptance into AMW.