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[Marimaia]

*snip*

Change of plans, no second claim.

[The Crooked Beat]

Trusting fully in the abilities of TRBE (I hope you'll excuse the abbreviation), Marimaia, and DaShunchao, I'll readily grant my assent to all three of the above-outlined proposals, which while obviously asking for additional extrapolation strike me as very sound concepts and a great way to inject some life into what are, at present, all too quiet areas of our fantastical globe. As always, I ought to have a great deal more to add than just that, though then again I certainly feel confident that all, in light of the relevant claimants' prior history with our (ludicrously long-lived) organization (a term I use with the utmost looseness), the areas in question are in very good and capable hands.

[Chrinthanium]

A Latin Addition

Sint Eustatius and Saba. These add around 5,600 to the Latin total. I have other ideas, but nothing concrete. Just wanted to jot this down.

[Walmington on Sea]

Hi everyone,

Just a quick note, after a bit more thought, clear or otherwise, on the matter, I think I'd like to put a halt on re-adding Sweden and Norway. It seems like a mistake to eat up the last pieces of open territory in Europe when someone else could presumably place a very interesting new nation there, so in the interest of at least keeping open the option of adding someone else onto the European scene, I'd like to go ahead and withdraw that proposal.

For what good it might do, I'll definitely reiterate my encouragement of a Walmingtonian expansion into southern Sweden at least, or maybe Gotland?

At any rate, another 180-degree turn, though I think for good reason.

Well, now how on earth have I failed to respond to this repeated appeal?

Certainly, the historical Walmingtonians would have tried to colonise Bornholm and Gotland ((and probably likewise Oland, the Moonsund archipelago, and Åland et cetera)). I imagine many raids and counter-raids between the Walmingtonian islands and the Scandinavian mainland ((regardless of who may control the latter)), but whether WoS could take and hold significant territory on the mainland I am less certain. I would also worry that it may be hard to sell, "Most of mainland Scandinavia, though not southern Sweden where everyone lives" to a prospective applicant sandwiched between the bulk of Gandvik and riches of Walmington.

Late night theorising does have me wondering whether Sweden and Norway might be divided in some fashion between Walmington and Gandvik, Fenns driven north by invading Angles, until such time as the former's population becomes so much greater than the latter's that -in the frozen north- Anglican progess stalls.

I must be getting to bed, but I did not want to go a millionth night in a row without at least starting to address this matter.

[The Reborn British Empire]

After a great deal of thought, and some Discord discussions, I've decided to make the following minor changes:

DROP
-Burma
-Southern Thailand
-Ceylon

ADD:
-Maharashtra State (of India)

This results in the following principle stats:

Population: 218,612,711 (Slight Increase)
GDP: $5.530 Trillion (Approx Same)
GDP per Capita: $25.275

I'll work out what to do with intro thread presently with the loss of Ceylon.

[Depkazia]

Salutations, lowly neighbours, the invincible Chingiz Khagan Depkazi will suffer to address you!

No, but seriously, Chingiz feels that it is time perhaps to tighten the belt and put the Khaganate on a diet. After an automated warning that my nation may cease to exist, I am forced to conclude that I am probably not going to get around to that vague, far reaching idea for perpetual war in East Turkestan, and that such a conspicuous yellow blob of inactivity may not be in the community’s interests.

…the country he rules isn’t getting much done, either.

The Depkazi are not leaving, but I am moved to revise my claim in favour of a more slim-line option.

I don’t wish to erase history entirely as it pertains to the Depkazi, so I thought that perhaps I could base a rump state on Gallaga.

Attempting to follow more closely major RL borders, an IC border with the GFR, a mix of mountain and steppe and/or desert, and significant petrochemical resources, I am looking at retaining Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, all of Russia’s North Caucasian Federal District, and the Southern Federal District’s Republic of Kalmykia and Astrakhan Oblast.

I would propose returning the north-eastern provinces of Turkey to the CSR and Saratov Oblast to Gandvik. While Depkazia would lose its land border with Gandvik, it would in that event remain just a short flight away.

In this revised configuration, the Depkazi host would still have fallen upon the Shield –riding out of Kalmykia and Astrakhan-, and Gallaga would still have been conquered by the Shieldians in turn. The smaller size of the revised Depkazi host probably helps to explain how short lived was its dominion, and how little its DNA and culture seem to have made of themselves in the modern Shield.

The broadly Turkic peoples of the region at large would historically have included highland dwelling peoples in the south, where numerous small fortified city states exercised loose local control beyond their walls, and the semi-nomadic mounted herdsmen further north, the former being core, ‘Gallagans’ and the latter, ‘Depkazi’.

Chingiz would have come to power amongst the Depkazi during the Shieldian occupation after the traditional ruling families were either killed, imprisoned, or converted and (or by other means) compromised in the eyes of their people, while the big man instead fought back and somehow managed to stay one step ahead of the colonial authorities. Chingizid ghazis in time move south, and inspire remaining local leadership of Gallagan towns to rise with their banner, supporters being rewarded after liberation with their own Beyliks.

The Shieldo-Depkazi war that followed independence and immediately preceded the Gull Flag revolution can still have happened, imperial forces rolling across the steppe before bogging down in a bloody siege and suffering guerrilla attacks until matters elsewhere drew them home and made Chingiz a statesman of international note.

A rough calculation suggests that the reduced state would have a population of just under 29 million, spread over the better part of half a million square kilometres. Certainly it would have significant petrochemical reserves, Azerbaijan alone having seven billion barrels of oil reserves and not far from a trillion cubic metres of proven gas, while parts of Caucasian Russia have at least some such reserves, and Astrakhan provides access to one of Russia’s major natural gas fields.

It will be a pain to revise my factbook and rename places, but I think that is something that I can manage to do, gradually, where I’d struggle to manage the sort of grand RPs I was envisioning for the enormous Depkazia of old. This just feels like it may be more manageable in the long run, and potentially a bit more about Chingiz rather than an endlessly expanding empire.

Thoughts welcome!

[Marimaia]

Salutations, lowly neighbours, the invincible Chingiz Khagan Depkazi will suffer to address you!

No, but seriously, Chingiz feels that it is time perhaps to tighten the belt and put the Khaganate on a diet. After an automated warning that my nation may cease to exist, I am forced to conclude that I am probably not going to get around to that vague, far reaching idea for perpetual war in East Turkestan, and that such a conspicuous yellow blob of inactivity may not be in the community’s interests.

…the country he rules isn’t getting much done, either.

The Depkazi are not leaving, but I am moved to revise my claim in favour of a more slim-line option.

I don’t wish to erase history entirely as it pertains to the Depkazi, so I thought that perhaps I could base a rump state on Gallaga.

Attempting to follow more closely major RL borders, an IC border with the GFR, a mix of mountain and steppe and/or desert, and significant petrochemical resources, I am looking at retaining Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, all of Russia’s North Caucasian Federal District, and the Southern Federal District’s Republic of Kalmykia and Astrakhan Oblast.

I would propose returning the north-eastern provinces of Turkey to the CSR and Saratov Oblast to Gandvik. While Depkazia would lose its land border with Gandvik, it would in that event remain just a short flight away.

In this revised configuration, the Depkazi host would still have fallen upon the Shield –riding out of Kalmykia and Astrakhan-, and Gallaga would still have been conquered by the Shieldians in turn. The smaller size of the revised Depkazi host probably helps to explain how short lived was its dominion, and how little its DNA and culture seem to have made of themselves in the modern Shield.

The broadly Turkic peoples of the region at large would historically have included highland dwelling peoples in the south, where numerous small fortified city states exercised loose local control beyond their walls, and the semi-nomadic mounted herdsmen further north, the former being core, ‘Gallagans’ and the latter, ‘Depkazi’.

Chingiz would have come to power amongst the Depkazi during the Shieldian occupation after the traditional ruling families were either killed, imprisoned, or converted and (or by other means) compromised in the eyes of their people, while the big man instead fought back and somehow managed to stay one step ahead of the colonial authorities. Chingizid ghazis in time move south, and inspire remaining local leadership of Gallagan towns to rise with their banner, supporters being rewarded after liberation with their own Beyliks.

The Shieldo-Depkazi war that followed independence and immediately preceded the Gull Flag revolution can still have happened, imperial forces rolling across the steppe before bogging down in a bloody siege and suffering guerrilla attacks until matters elsewhere drew them home and made Chingiz a statesman of international note.

A rough calculation suggests that the reduced state would have a population of just under 29 million, spread over the better part of half a million square kilometres. Certainly it would have significant petrochemical reserves, Azerbaijan alone having seven billion barrels of oil reserves and not far from a trillion cubic metres of proven gas, while parts of Caucasian Russia have at least some such reserves, and Astrakhan provides access to one of Russia’s major natural gas fields.

It will be a pain to revise my factbook and rename places, but I think that is something that I can manage to do, gradually, where I’d struggle to manage the sort of grand RPs I was envisioning for the enormous Depkazia of old. This just feels like it may be more manageable in the long run, and potentially a bit more about Chingiz rather than an endlessly expanding empire.

Thoughts welcome!

I can definitely see the propaganda element of Chingiz as the valiant liberator of the Depkazi people, fending off imperialist heathen tyrants who surround the smaller state of Depkazia (or something like that)

I think a smaller Depkazia could actually result in Chingiz potentially being viewed as something of a hero outside of Depkazia, as anti-communist/leftist nations (or anti-communist/leftist politicians in not-so-anti-commie nations) might point to Chingiz's courageous stand against the scourge of communism (especially if Gandvik is going red/reddish as well). Certainly stranger things have happened in real life. The Marimaian Caliphate would certainly see it that way, out of some degree of pragmatism admittedly, and they would be quietly interested in quietly assisting Chingiz if he was interested in accepting that assistance.

At the end of the day you should do what's right for you, so if you feel that downsizing is the best move then so be it.

[Chrinthanium]

Salutations, lowly neighbours, the invincible Chingiz Khagan Depkazi will suffer to address you!

No, but seriously, Chingiz feels that it is time perhaps to tighten the belt and put the Khaganate on a diet. After an automated warning that my nation may cease to exist, I am forced to conclude that I am probably not going to get around to that vague, far reaching idea for perpetual war in East Turkestan, and that such a conspicuous yellow blob of inactivity may not be in the community’s interests.

…the country he rules isn’t getting much done, either.

The Depkazi are not leaving, but I am moved to revise my claim in favour of a more slim-line option.

I don’t wish to erase history entirely as it pertains to the Depkazi, so I thought that perhaps I could base a rump state on Gallaga.

Attempting to follow more closely major RL borders, an IC border with the GFR, a mix of mountain and steppe and/or desert, and significant petrochemical resources, I am looking at retaining Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, all of Russia’s North Caucasian Federal District, and the Southern Federal District’s Republic of Kalmykia and Astrakhan Oblast.

I would propose returning the north-eastern provinces of Turkey to the CSR and Saratov Oblast to Gandvik. While Depkazia would lose its land border with Gandvik, it would in that event remain just a short flight away.

In this revised configuration, the Depkazi host would still have fallen upon the Shield –riding out of Kalmykia and Astrakhan-, and Gallaga would still have been conquered by the Shieldians in turn. The smaller size of the revised Depkazi host probably helps to explain how short lived was its dominion, and how little its DNA and culture seem to have made of themselves in the modern Shield.

The broadly Turkic peoples of the region at large would historically have included highland dwelling peoples in the south, where numerous small fortified city states exercised loose local control beyond their walls, and the semi-nomadic mounted herdsmen further north, the former being core, ‘Gallagans’ and the latter, ‘Depkazi’.

Chingiz would have come to power amongst the Depkazi during the Shieldian occupation after the traditional ruling families were either killed, imprisoned, or converted and (or by other means) compromised in the eyes of their people, while the big man instead fought back and somehow managed to stay one step ahead of the colonial authorities. Chingizid ghazis in time move south, and inspire remaining local leadership of Gallagan towns to rise with their banner, supporters being rewarded after liberation with their own Beyliks.

The Shieldo-Depkazi war that followed independence and immediately preceded the Gull Flag revolution can still have happened, imperial forces rolling across the steppe before bogging down in a bloody siege and suffering guerrilla attacks until matters elsewhere drew them home and made Chingiz a statesman of international note.

A rough calculation suggests that the reduced state would have a population of just under 29 million, spread over the better part of half a million square kilometres. Certainly it would have significant petrochemical reserves, Azerbaijan alone having seven billion barrels of oil reserves and not far from a trillion cubic metres of proven gas, while parts of Caucasian Russia have at least some such reserves, and Astrakhan provides access to one of Russia’s major natural gas fields.

It will be a pain to revise my factbook and rename places, but I think that is something that I can manage to do, gradually, where I’d struggle to manage the sort of grand RPs I was envisioning for the enormous Depkazia of old. This just feels like it may be more manageable in the long run, and potentially a bit more about Chingiz rather than an endlessly expanding empire.

Thoughts welcome!

Hey, no one will, in general, object to a downsize. As long as you're happy then do it. I'll support it.

[Chrinthanium]

After a great deal of thought, and some Discord discussions, I've decided to make the following minor changes:

DROP
-Burma
-Southern Thailand
-Ceylon

ADD:
-Maharashtra State (of India)

This results in the following principle stats:

Population: 218,612,711 (Slight Increase)
GDP: $5.530 Trillion (Approx Same)
GDP per Capita: $25.275

I'll work out what to do with intro thread presently with the loss of Ceylon.

Stop shifting about. You're cutting into my non-mapping time No objection from me.

[The Crooked Beat]

Addressing, first, Walmingtonian comments on the future of Scandinavia, yes, you make a very good point regarding southern Sweden. What seems, on the map, like a fairly modest expansion would clearly take away a substantial proportion of Sweden's population and industry, so perhaps if we decide to do anything with Sweden and Norway, we should try to deal with the entire territory.

I'm not actually that eager to expand Gandvik's borders into Sweden and Norway, since in some ways, I think, a similar sort of situation prevails in the north of those two RL countries as we find in the south. Whereas any population gain or loss would obviously be small, in Sweden's case at least we have the matter of the strategically quite significant iron ore mines at Kiruna, and for that matter their associated cross-border transportation infrastructure and the port of Narvik, to consider. While Gandvik scarcely seems to need more minerals, iron ore in northern Sweden would necessarily mean a great deal to any state which ends up covering the relevant geography.

If the idea holds out any appeal, I'd be happy to see both Norway and Sweden go to Walmington in their entirety. That extra population boost, I think, would provide greater Walmington with a stronger, more secure demographic and industrial base for its active, imperialist foreign policy. It would also greatly improve its position relative to Gandvik, or for that matter even Valendia, and might add an interesting degree of complexity to Baltic affairs. At the same time the increase wouldn't be so great as to fundamentally change the global balance of power and Walmingtonian's small-to-middling status, or to eliminate any justification for a close, even a dependent relationship with Great Britain.

Concerns related to the historical and strategic suitability of this proposed expansion are very sensible, though in reply I would point out that modern-day Gandvik is, in terms of military-economic-demographic strength, a very different creature from the Gandvik of 1800, or 1900 even. Enemy number one remains, to this day, very clearly the Shield/GFR, with Valendia standing somewhere off in the background of Gandvian strategic planning and foreign policy, and before the mid-20th century the two powers would have appeared far more evenly-matched than is presently the case. Gandvian history between roughly 1500 and 1900 is, on the one hand, a process of state- and nation-building from out of the various Crusader polities and Christianized-Germanized (Anglicanized/Shieldianized?) 'native' principalities, whose discovery/invention of a Fennic culture happens at quite a late stage, and on the other a list of successively more disastrous military defeats at the Grand Empire's hands.

All of which is to say that an aggressive, cohesive Walmingtonian Empire need not have fared at all badly against a Gandvian state which is, until the mid-1800s, anything but cohesive, and whose aggressions and territorial designs are directed almost obsessively against the Shield.

My thought is that, up until the 1400s or perhaps even the 1500s, it may have been difficult to draw a clear cultural and political dividing line between those principalities and bishoprics along the Eastern Baltic and adjoining waterways, and the Walmingtonian or Shieldian Empires, which is where many of the crusaders, missionaries, and merchants who went on to constitute the Gandvian state's albeit shaky foundations probably would have originated. In political and social terms, the Walmingtonians driving Fennic and Baltic peoples out of northern Scandinavia in the middle ages could well have turned into Gandvians, or at least proto-Gandvian independent enterprisers, within the space of a few centuries, as political bonds with the mother country loosen.

All of this is of course just an idea, consequence of the fact that after all this time I'm still struggling to suss out a Gandvian history which is simultaneously a tiny bit creative and yet which also makes sense, and in that effort I'm not exactly succeeding. Clearly all this blather presupposes a high level of interdependence between Walmingtonian, Shieldian, and Gandvian history and culture, and as always I can only claim to speak for myself.

Regarding proposed changes to Britain, that all seems perfectly fine to me. It will be nice to get a bit of a presence back on the Indian subcontinent!

As for the resizing and redistribution under discussion for Depkazia, I have said it before, and I will say again that I completely trust Depkazia’s judgement regarding that exceptionally interesting and well-formed state, and if it does not, in its present iteration, seem to be working, I will happily agree to whatever changes feel most appropriate. Certainly a smaller state, more cohesive geographically and perhaps occupying a more clearly-defined station in the global order, has a lot of attractions (and I’ve thought about that course quite a bit myself for Gandvik), and a more conducive stage for Chingiz Khagan’s eccentricities can only be welcomed. A Caucasian Depkazia makes considerable geographical sense as well, I think, and offers the interesting possibility of some Imam Shamil-style anti-Shieldian resistance.

Clearly Chingiz, as now a more convincingly underdog victor in the Shieldian-Depkazi war, still stands to play the role of lead Turkic nationalist and Muslim anti-imperialist, and as Marimaia pointed out it may also now be easier for anticommunist worldwide governments to paint him in the colors of a heroic native stalwart holding back the red wave for the sake of tradition and religion.

On a surface level, at least, this possible redrawing of Depkazia doesn’t stand to disrupt Gandvik too terribly, which at the same time is not to say that disruption of Gandvik would be a reason to hold off, or that Gandvik, in its present state of almost perpetual reimagining (I use ‘imagining’ here very loosely) could even be disrupted in any meaningful way. Depkazia’s transformation from Turkic great power to plucky and quirky (plus maybe some other adjectives!) Caucasian Caliphate doesn’t automatically erase Gandvik’s nationalist and religious troubles, and Chingiz as leading Turkic-Muslim advocate would still stand to play an important part in that dynamic too. The strategic balance as it pertains to Anglo-Walmingtonian-Shieldian power doesn’t look like it will be upset all that badly, as I think Gandvik’s illusions about a Depkazi ‘counterweight’ have by now been proven false at any rate. If anything, with Depkazia’s nationalistic pull now reduced, though not altogether done away with, it seems Gandvik’s strategic position may actually improve.

That said, I do very much like the idea of a big Depkazia, and the complicating elements which it adds to Gandvik’s domestic and international existence are, I think, very interesting and useful, though obviously I’ve done quite a terrible job of pursuing that line of inquiry. From a strictly functional point of view, I have to wonder whether it would actually do us much lasting good to free-up a broad swath of territory which, barring unforeseen developments, is probably now going to stay empty for a long stretch of time. Central Asia is, in fairness, a difficult place for a new claimant to set up camp, and problematic to incorporate in any claim which is not either excessively large or awkwardly isolated from global goings-on.

If you will all pardon another self-centric aside, I will say that the thought of substantially reducing Gandvik, dumping nearly all of Russia to concentrate on the immediate Baltic region, exerts a powerful pull on my thinking, and for many of the same reasons as Depkazia outlined. If we choose to accept the premise that Depkazia, of all places, is hogging-up a lot of space that could perhaps be put to better use, the same is true five times over of Gandvik, which has covered all of Russia in a blanket of inconsistency and ambiguity for which I can do nothing save for apologize profusely. If big-Depkazia can’t seem to get off the ground, this must be attributed at least in part to my own ruinous lethargy.

One reason for keeping Gandvik big was to maintain contact with Depkazia, though if this is no longer a pertinent consideration I’m wondering whether I shouldn’t maybe revisit the idea of a Gandvian Baltic reconsolidation. This would put something of a different face on our Scandinavian discussions above, and might make the partition of Sweden a bit easier to stomach. It would also alter, I think for the better, the relative balance of power between Gandvik and the Shield, while perhaps most importantly making room for a player that really wants an authentically Russian or at least Slavic element. Gandvik, I suppose, would in turn become more German/Shieldian.

A lot of incoherent mumblings, as always, though much to discuss!

[Chrinthanium]

SO, I have a new map. Before I make it official, look it over make sure I got your territory right. Make sure your list of claims are correct on the 2nd post of this thread as well. Thanks for your help.

https://i.imgur.com/uTDEfEB.png

Something I'm bringing up here... I think San Heironymi and Sennar should be removed from the map due to zero activity, really. Just my opinion. That and I think some of us, me included, sometimes shift, expand, contract, and add/drop due to not knowing what to do with what we have. Maybe if we all started concentrating more on what we have and putting it into RP, we might find out we're fine with what we got.

[Depkazia]

Having considered the reactions thus far, I think that I will go ahead with the reduction as described. If Chrin's mapmaking would be helped by a recap, I will happily provide it.

I do not want to make more work for TCB, as my former neighbour, but I do envision this reduced Depkazia still having at least for some time looked towards Gandvik, and I don't envision a full end to relations.

Smaller Depkazia may still have sought Gandvian technical help in early exploitation of its petrochemical reserves, and shown an interest in military co-operation, which would still stand to disadvantage the Shieldians to some degree, even without a really grand host on the eastern frontier.

In revised form, Chingiz will have less to lose, and this may make him more daring again. I think that is the Chingiz we all want to see, not the one who is trying to avoid losing an inch from one of the world's largest empires.

[Chemaki]

Hm, though with Chingiz not the overwhelming power he used to be, we need to point our missiles at another Islamic nation for now...

How's the weather in Egypt, Mari? Got much phosgene in the Nile these days?

[Chrinthanium]

Having considered the reactions thus far, I think that I will go ahead with the reduction as described. If Chrin's mapmaking would be helped by a recap, I will happily provide it.

I do not want to make more work for TCB, as my former neighbour, but I do envision this reduced Depkazia still having at least for some time looked towards Gandvik, and I don't envision a full end to relations.

Smaller Depkazia may still have sought Gandvian technical help in early exploitation of its petrochemical reserves, and shown an interest in military co-operation, which would still stand to disadvantage the Shieldians to some degree, even without a really grand host on the eastern frontier.

In revised form, Chingiz will have less to lose, and this may make him more daring again. I think that is the Chingiz we all want to see, not the one who is trying to avoid losing an inch from one of the world's largest empires.

Well, I did take your cue from the list of territories you wanted to retain and those which you wanted to hand over to someone else. I'll pop it up on the map for everyone to see. Again, a temporary map to ensure everything is just right before everything goes ahead.

At some point I need to use a different border color to deal with the Russian subdivisions that are larger than oblasts and some republics. Just to make life easier, I suppose. For now, what you've kept is perfect on our map and easy to do. But, I have to admit, Chingizoid territory looks so small now.

EDIT:

So, Dep, you stated you were retaining Azerbaijan, Georgia, Armenia, North Caucasian Federal District, Republic of Kalmykia, and Astrakhan Oblast. The NE of Turkey to be handed over to CSR. Saratov Oblast handed over to Gandvik. With that information, this is what the proposed changes would look like all told. Please note: no territorial changes between WoS and Gandvik are on this map while that's being organized between them. I could, based on TCB's above post, scarcely imagine the map without that giant purple on it. But, whatever makes the nation easier to deal with for everyone is always fine by me. I've noticed myself that it can be somewhat easier to manage a more concentrated state than a more sprawling entity.

In fact, I sometimes wonder of the Latin Empire could do with a bit of fat trimming instead of trying to figure out an expansion. Historically around the world in its various parts (Portuguese and Spanish Empires) but the modern state focusing solely on its place in Europe and trying to maintain any importance it has in the world. Lots to think about.....

https://i.imgur.com/5PEFCll.png

Hm, though with Chingiz not the overwhelming power he used to be, we need to point our missiles at another Islamic nation for now...

How's the weather in Egypt, Mari? Got much phosgene in the Nile these days?

Even the Latin's would come to the Caliphate's defense. Against you, we'd not even break a sweat.

[Chrinthanium]

On the upcoming map, San Heironimy (or however it is spelled) and Sennar will be removed. As of now, they've been removed from the list of claims. This is due to several months of nothing with no real input from them since their arrival. Read up a few posts, you'll see where I suggested it and no one has objected. So let it be written, so let it be done.

[Marimaia]

If at all possible, I would like to add Socotra to the Caliphate. 60,000 people (apparently someone updated the figures). I've got the rest of Yemen so I'd like to complete it (plus it has strategic value).

[Chrinthanium]

If at all possible, I would like to add Socotra to the Caliphate. 60,000 people (apparently someone updated the figures). I've got the rest of Yemen so I'd like to complete it (plus it has strategic value).

I'm fine with this.

[The Reborn British Empire]

So, now that the switches discussed in the other thread and on discord are going forwards, I'm going to switch to a different nation that better fits 'Rome'.

I'll reply in a moment with the new nation...

[-Roma Invicta-]

... and here I am!

Also, with an introductory thread, all welcome:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=455569

[Wess Islandia]

Where do I post applications?

[Chrinthanium]

Where do I post applications?

Hello!

Well, this is the Applications Center, so here would be where you place your application.

[Austrinia and Liberia]

Into the Empire of Austrinia, I would like to lay claim to the island "Fernando de Noronha" for the purpose of Austrinia owning an island that can act as a large prison.

[Europe - Prussia]

Hello people of AMW, and a very, very, very late merry Christmas and new year!

As you can see I’m still alive, but busy enough that I haven’t even read anything on the forums or discord. But now that I have a couple of weeks of vacations I’ll post something in the TITS thread ( or whatever its name is) and something more, probably.

Now, the reason of this post is because I want to make some changes to my claims. For starters, I’d like to drop the COIAS. There's no point in keeping the secondary claim if I barely keep up with Valendia, and I haven't developed the COIAS beyond some posts on discord.

Second, from my main claim I'd like to drop Goa and claim Panama, Micronesia, the Kerala State of India and Eritrea. Minus Goa and plus the new territories I requested the total population would be 209,094,855.

I know that originally I was reticent to expand to the 200 million mark, but I want to keep some core ideas of the COIAS, which I'm going to implement in Valendia, and the extra territory will help with that.

Now, my idea is to recreate the Hanseatic League in AMW, but with a lot of substantial changes in comparison to its RL counterpart. It would cover all the non-European territories of my claim, plus Bremen and Hamburg, and it would help to explain how the empire has kept those territories until now.

In paper, the League would be an Imperial Subject, but in reality it would be more like a tributary or satellite state of Valendia; they would have to pay a tithe, give some land for military bases and cooperate with the empire in the case of war, but beyond that the League would manage their affairs as they see fit.

Historically, the League was formed at the beginning of the 18 century from imperial colonies in Africa, right after a revolution happened in Valendia. Instead of expending troops and resources in recapturing far-flung colonies and bring them into compliance with the new order, the new emperor negotiated with the Europe-based old Hanseatic League, who were tasked with colonization efforts in Africa and were its de facto rulers, eventually leading the creation of the modern League. Its original core territory was in Africa, with its de jure capital in Hamburg, but with negotiations and some subtle threat it began to expand to the east.

Politically, the League is a confederation and a commercial pact rolled into one, though it doesn’t necessarily mean that by signing a commercial treaty with the League a country is also joining its confederation. Its government is composed by a Council of representatives, one for each nation part of the League. The Council also has legislative powers which are rarely used, as they prefer for the local legislative of each nation to handle the day-to-day lawmaking. There’s an independent judiciary, but like in the legislative most of the day-to-day issues are seen by the local courts of each nation.

Politically and culturally (unlike in Valendia where there’s a great emphasis on honor, duty and justice), and rescuing one of the base ideas that formed the COIAS, in the League everything is much more lax, especially on economic matters. As a country founded by merchants there’s very few restrictions, and most of them were imposed by the empire and only about truly heinous things for them, like slavery.

Economically, the League is supported by four main pillars: natural resources, trade, tourism and services. As I said before, the League was founded by merchants, so it can be considered one big shipping company and its territory a very big Special Economic Zone.

Regarding the military, there’s an army, navy and air force. Of the three, the navy is the most important one, for obvious reasons, while the army is the smallest one, though that doesn’t mean they are the weakest, because if they are not on active service the soldiers work in one of the League-owned Private Military Companies. The Navy has a similar arrangement, but instead of sailors entire ships which function as floating armories are employed. However, if in the worst case scenario Valendia can back them up, per their agreement.

Finally, regarding the Panama Canal; like Suez, the Canal will be controlled by an international commission. The League will have the biggest stake obviously, but everybody will have a voice in its administration.

[Layarteb]

Hello people of AMW, and a very, very, very late merry Christmas and new year!

As you can see I’m still alive, but busy enough that I haven’t even read anything on the forums or discord. But now that I have a couple of weeks of vacations I’ll post something in the TITS thread ( or whatever its name is) and something more, probably.

Now, the reason of this post is because I want to make some changes to my claims. For starters, I’d like to drop the COIAS. There's no point in keeping the secondary claim if I barely keep up with Valendia, and I haven't developed the COIAS beyond some posts on discord.

Second, from my main claim I'd like to drop Goa and claim Panama, Micronesia, the Kerala State of India and Eritrea. Minus Goa and plus the new territories I requested the total population would be 209,094,855.

I know that originally I was reticent to expand to the 200 million mark, but I want to keep some core ideas of the COIAS, which I'm going to implement in Valendia, and the extra territory will help with that.

Now, my idea is to recreate the Hanseatic League in AMW, but with a lot of substantial changes in comparison to its RL counterpart. It would cover all the non-European territories of my claim, plus Bremen and Hamburg, and it would help to explain how the empire has kept those territories until now.

In paper, the League would be an Imperial Subject, but in reality it would be more like a tributary or satellite state of Valendia; they would have to pay a tithe, give some land for military bases and cooperate with the empire in the case of war, but beyond that the League would manage their affairs as they see fit.

Historically, the League was formed at the beginning of the 18 century from imperial colonies in Africa, right after a revolution happened in Valendia. Instead of expending troops and resources in recapturing far-flung colonies and bring them into compliance with the new order, the new emperor negotiated with the Europe-based old Hanseatic League, who were tasked with colonization efforts in Africa and were its de facto rulers, eventually leading the creation of the modern League. Its original core territory was in Africa, with its de jure capital in Hamburg, but with negotiations and some subtle threat it began to expand to the east.

Politically, the League is a confederation and a commercial pact rolled into one, though it doesn’t necessarily mean that by signing a commercial treaty with the League a country is also joining its confederation. Its government is composed by a Council of representatives, one for each nation part of the League. The Council also has legislative powers which are rarely used, as they prefer for the local legislative of each nation to handle the day-to-day lawmaking. There’s an independent judiciary, but like in the legislative most of the day-to-day issues are seen by the local courts of each nation.

Politically and culturally (unlike in Valendia where there’s a great emphasis on honor, duty and justice), and rescuing one of the base ideas that formed the COIAS, in the League everything is much more lax, especially on economic matters. As a country founded by merchants there’s very few restrictions, and most of them were imposed by the empire and only about truly heinous things for them, like slavery.

Economically, the League is supported by four main pillars: natural resources, trade, tourism and services. As I said before, the League was founded by merchants, so it can be considered one big shipping company and its territory a very big Special Economic Zone.

Regarding the military, there’s an army, navy and air force. Of the three, the navy is the most important one, for obvious reasons, while the army is the smallest one, though that doesn’t mean they are the weakest, because if they are not on active service the soldiers work in one of the League-owned Private Military Companies. The Navy has a similar arrangement, but instead of sailors entire ships which function as floating armories are employed. However, if in the worst case scenario Valendia can back them up, per their agreement.

Finally, regarding the Panama Canal; like Suez, the Canal will be controlled by an international commission. The League will have the biggest stake obviously, but everybody will have a voice in its administration.

What is the possibility of Saint-Laurent having some representation on said commission for the Panama Canal?

[Chrinthanium]

Hello people of AMW, and a very, very, very late merry Christmas and new year!

As you can see I’m still alive, but busy enough that I haven’t even read anything on the forums or discord. But now that I have a couple of weeks of vacations I’ll post something in the TITS thread ( or whatever its name is) and something more, probably.

Now, the reason of this post is because I want to make some changes to my claims. For starters, I’d like to drop the COIAS. There's no point in keeping the secondary claim if I barely keep up with Valendia, and I haven't developed the COIAS beyond some posts on discord.

Second, from my main claim I'd like to drop Goa and claim Panama, Micronesia, the Kerala State of India and Eritrea. Minus Goa and plus the new territories I requested the total population would be 209,094,855.

I know that originally I was reticent to expand to the 200 million mark, but I want to keep some core ideas of the COIAS, which I'm going to implement in Valendia, and the extra territory will help with that.

Now, my idea is to recreate the Hanseatic League in AMW, but with a lot of substantial changes in comparison to its RL counterpart. It would cover all the non-European territories of my claim, plus Bremen and Hamburg, and it would help to explain how the empire has kept those territories until now.

In paper, the League would be an Imperial Subject, but in reality it would be more like a tributary or satellite state of Valendia; they would have to pay a tithe, give some land for military bases and cooperate with the empire in the case of war, but beyond that the League would manage their affairs as they see fit.

Historically, the League was formed at the beginning of the 18 century from imperial colonies in Africa, right after a revolution happened in Valendia. Instead of expending troops and resources in recapturing far-flung colonies and bring them into compliance with the new order, the new emperor negotiated with the Europe-based old Hanseatic League, who were tasked with colonization efforts in Africa and were its de facto rulers, eventually leading the creation of the modern League. Its original core territory was in Africa, with its de jure capital in Hamburg, but with negotiations and some subtle threat it began to expand to the east.

Politically, the League is a confederation and a commercial pact rolled into one, though it doesn’t necessarily mean that by signing a commercial treaty with the League a country is also joining its confederation. Its government is composed by a Council of representatives, one for each nation part of the League. The Council also has legislative powers which are rarely used, as they prefer for the local legislative of each nation to handle the day-to-day lawmaking. There’s an independent judiciary, but like in the legislative most of the day-to-day issues are seen by the local courts of each nation.

Politically and culturally (unlike in Valendia where there’s a great emphasis on honor, duty and justice), and rescuing one of the base ideas that formed the COIAS, in the League everything is much more lax, especially on economic matters. As a country founded by merchants there’s very few restrictions, and most of them were imposed by the empire and only about truly heinous things for them, like slavery.

Economically, the League is supported by four main pillars: natural resources, trade, tourism and services. As I said before, the League was founded by merchants, so it can be considered one big shipping company and its territory a very big Special Economic Zone.

Regarding the military, there’s an army, navy and air force. Of the three, the navy is the most important one, for obvious reasons, while the army is the smallest one, though that doesn’t mean they are the weakest, because if they are not on active service the soldiers work in one of the League-owned Private Military Companies. The Navy has a similar arrangement, but instead of sailors entire ships which function as floating armories are employed. However, if in the worst case scenario Valendia can back them up, per their agreement.

Finally, regarding the Panama Canal; like Suez, the Canal will be controlled by an international commission. The League will have the biggest stake obviously, but everybody will have a voice in its administration.

Rather than go into my idea on the claim, which, to be honest, still feels like two claims merged into one...

Lately, myself included, we've had a lot of shifts, moves, expansions, 2nd claims.... and no one really does anything with them. AMW has never been fast-paced, but lately we're moving slower than a glacier. I just want you to think a bit and tell me this is where your passion is and that this idea is something that's got you ready and roaring to play it otherwise, I wouldn't see the point in making a change at all. If you do feel that passion that makes you say, "Gee, I really want to RP this because I like the idea that much," then you will have my full support.