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[Walmington on Sea]

One of these days something stable may exist by which I can define Walmington. Mayhap.

A minute ago, Singapore and Hong Kong were all but Walmingtonian, but then most of Britain did not end up being Norse, and...

I would, of course, be interested in returning Walmington to its fleeting historic role as British cheerleader-in-chief, if this renewed Britain is to be of the traditional bent.

It might continue to be based in East Prussia and the Danish islands, with Shetland, Orkney, the Faroes, Iceland, Greenland, Newfoundland and Labrador and the Maritimes, Bermuda and those various Caribbean isles and Belize, Madeira, the Canaries, Cabo Verde and Dakar, Erongo, the (Tanzanian) Spice Islands, and with other British territories I had claimed (Falklands, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, Gibraltar, BIOT, Pitcairn, et cetera) up for discussion as either British or Walmingtonian or some combination there of, giving up Hong Kong and Singapore and perhaps taking the Andaman and Nicobar islands as a way-station in Walmingtonian support of the British Empire.

We could also discuss whether I give up Danish warships et cetera and throw Walmingtonian coin behind British projects.

[Chrinthanium]

Right,

Concerning Hong Kong...

1: At the time I had Britain it was British
2: It reverted back to Serica (Roania) when I ended my Britain
3: Since then, on Discord, a history was roughly penciled in where it was Chrinthani, given back to Serica, then left to the Margraves to build their fortune and that's vaguely where the Discord convo went.
4: On the non-Discord discussions, it was either Walmingtonian or Norse... but then nothing ever came from the Norse claim, so my assumption is it remains Serican.
5: It ended up in the new British claim without anyone ever bringing up this fact, so here we go.

Regarding Britain... Orkney and Shetland are, to the best of my recollection, Walmingotonian at this point since no official change in territory has come from Walmington since my abrupt and regretful leaving of Britain. Jersey and Guernsey (which aren't actually part of the UK) are Valendian. The Isle of Man, I think, is technically unclaimed because, as with Jersey and Guernsey, they're not actually part of the UK and require an actually statement of claim.

To the extent that we are at this point, the claim for Britain as the United Kingdom without Orkney and Shetland, plus British Ocean Territory (of which Diego Garcia is a part) and Singapore is by far not objected to and approved. Hong Kong is a big query at this point.

[Chrinthanium]

After conversations in Discord, I find that Hong Kong's status was settled and it is British. And Isle of Man is British.

[Walmington on Sea]

That is all right by me. I shall re-write a list of territories that I believe to be and/or should like to be Walmingtonian, for the sake of clarity.

We shall have to discuss what happens to some British territories that I had claimed for Walmington. They are listed at the bottom of this spoiler:

Iceland: 335,878

Cape Verde: 553,432

Belize: 353,858

Danish territory:
Home islands (Capital Region, Zealand, former Funen County): 3,153,701
Faeroes: 50,456
Greenland: 57,728

German territory:
Rügen: 67,526

Russian territory:
Kaliningrad Oblast: 941,873

Polish territory:
Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship; Nowy Dwór Gdański, Malbork, Sztum, Kwidzyn counties: 1,648,061

Portuguese territory:
Madeira: 289,000

Spanish territory:
Canary Islands: 2,128,647

French territory:
Saint Pierre and Miquelon: 6,080

Senegalese territory:
Cap-Vert: 3,199,935

Namibian territory:
Erongo: 150,400

Canadian territory:
Newfoundland & Labrador: 528,683
Prince Edward Island: 149,383
Cape Breton Island: 132,010
Anticosti Island: 240
Magdalen Islands: 12,781
New Brunswick: 757,771
Nova Scotia: 953,173

British territory:
Shetland: 23,210
Orkney: 21,349

Bermuda: 70,537

Anguilla: 16,752
Cayman Islands: 57,268
British Virgin Islands: 34,232
Turks and Caicos Islands: 51,420
Montserrat: 5,267

Falkland Islands & South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands: 2,931
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha: 7,795

Gibraltar: 29,328

=15,790,705

Shetland and Orkney I would rather like to keep, as part of the island-hopping history of the Walmingtonians, begun perhaps so early as the Dark Ages, as spin-offs of the Germanic movements into Britain.

Gibraltar is less important to me, provided that it is either British or Walmingtonian. I can deal with either.

I would like to keep Bermuda, but this is not necessarily a red-line for me.

I certainly want to have a, "Walmingtonian West Indies" currently made up of British Caribbean territories, but whether I keep those or give them back to Britain and take other islands in their stead I am happy to discuss.

Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha fit rather well into my perception of Walmingtonian history, and the Falklands et cetra also, though perhaps to a lesser degree than SH. I am happy to hear thoughts.

If I end up giving away some of these territories, and Britain maintains a rump empire in East Asia, I would be interested in restoring some Indian Ocean territory to WoS, most likely the Spice Islands of Tanzania, and perhaps some other islands proximate to the BIOT, and maybe something further east, such as Andaman and Nicobar, which would have been quite open to British commercial and military use since their discovery by Walmingtonian adventurers.

More later, perhaps.

Then the factbook, which I had started to re-write for the umpteenth time with half an eye on the division of Britain with the Norse. This time, this time...

[The Reborn British Empire]

That is all right by me. I shall re-write a list of territories that I believe to be and/or should like to be Walmingtonian, for the sake of clarity.

We shall have to discuss what happens to some British territories that I had claimed for Walmington. They are listed at the bottom of this spoiler:

Iceland: 335,878

Cape Verde: 553,432

Belize: 353,858

Danish territory:
Home islands (Capital Region, Zealand, former Funen County): 3,153,701
Faeroes: 50,456
Greenland: 57,728

German territory:
Rügen: 67,526

Russian territory:
Kaliningrad Oblast: 941,873

Polish territory:
Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship; Nowy Dwór Gdański, Malbork, Sztum, Kwidzyn counties: 1,648,061

Portuguese territory:
Madeira: 289,000

Spanish territory:
Canary Islands: 2,128,647

French territory:
Saint Pierre and Miquelon: 6,080

Senegalese territory:
Cap-Vert: 3,199,935

Namibian territory:
Erongo: 150,400

Canadian territory:
Newfoundland & Labrador: 528,683
Prince Edward Island: 149,383
Cape Breton Island: 132,010
Anticosti Island: 240
Magdalen Islands: 12,781
New Brunswick: 757,771
Nova Scotia: 953,173

British territory:
Shetland: 23,210
Orkney: 21,349

Bermuda: 70,537

Anguilla: 16,752
Cayman Islands: 57,268
British Virgin Islands: 34,232
Turks and Caicos Islands: 51,420
Montserrat: 5,267

Falkland Islands & South Georgia & South Sandwich Islands: 2,931
Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha: 7,795

Gibraltar: 29,328

=15,790,705

Shetland and Orkney I would rather like to keep, as part of the island-hopping history of the Walmingtonians, begun perhaps so early as the Dark Ages, as spin-offs of the Germanic movements into Britain.

Gibraltar is less important to me, provided that it is either British or Walmingtonian. I can deal with either.

I would like to keep Bermuda, but this is not necessarily a red-line for me.

I certainly want to have a, "Walmingtonian West Indies" currently made up of British Caribbean territories, but whether I keep those or give them back to Britain and take other islands in their stead I am happy to discuss.

Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha fit rather well into my perception of Walmingtonian history, and the Falklands et cetra also, though perhaps to a lesser degree than SH. I am happy to hear thoughts.

If I end up giving away some of these territories, and Britain maintains a rump empire in East Asia, I would be interested in restoring some Indian Ocean territory to WoS, most likely the Spice Islands of Tanzania, and perhaps some other islands proximate to the BIOT, and maybe something further east, such as Andaman and Nicobar, which would have been quite open to British commercial and military use since their discovery by Walmingtonian adventurers.

More later, perhaps.

Then the factbook, which I had started to re-write for the umpteenth time with half an eye on the division of Britain with the Norse. This time, this time...

Got no issues with Orkneys or Shetlands, as much as I like Scapa Flow it's not a deal breaker for me.

Gibraltar would be awesome to have, I love the Rock and it's history, so would be brilliant to have.

Wouldn't mind having Bermuda, but with a reduced British footprint in the West Indies it would matter less.

Would quite like Falklands if up for discussion, but again not a deal breaker. The way I see the British Empire at the moment is scattered remnants of the Empire, of which Gibraltar and Falklands would serve particularly well.

Would not mind giving up BIOT in its entirity, if it would fit with your vision for WoS better; Singapore and Hong Kong are more than a sufficient presence the Far East.

[Chrinthanium]

Don't take this wrong, but with the way you like to keep a strong military presence NB, I'd rather have Walmington keep Gibraltar.

[Walmington on Sea]

Could that be some sort of diplomatic compromise, historically? Perhaps Britain took Gibraltar with Walmingtonian help instead of Dutch, British ships landing the small but absurdly well-funded Royal Walmingtonian Marine Corps. In the peace settlement ending whatever conflict leads to this event, Britain agrees to allow its smaller ally to take custody of the rock, which maintains the alliance's victory but enables the Romans to feel less threatened.

In such a scenario Britain would still have economic and diplomatic interests in Gibraltar, and I think that British citizens would have rights to reside and vote et cetera equal to those of Walmingtonians, possibly meaning that more numerous British nationals end up dominating local politics while legally the town must remain part of the Walmingtonian rather than British Empire, relying on Walmingtonian customs and security forces. There'd be British flags everywhere (so long as the one over The Convent is the Walmingtonian standard defaced with the coat of arms of Gibraltar), both the Walmingtonian and British monarchs' birthdays would be public holidays, and British and Walmingtonian pounds (the latter likely pegged to the former in any case) would be accepted on the high-street.

This, of course, is an off-the-cuff proposition, and not one that I have considered at length!

Perhaps in the Caribbean, if TUGS is expired, Walmington could take the Bahamas -which should suffice to represent our West Indies entirely-, and the British overseas territories could revert to the UK? Bermuda, then, could also be restored to the UK.

Would you, Reborn, be happy for me to keep Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha if you take the Falklands and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands? Perhaps Walmington simply shunned South America entirely. “The people eat guineapigs, the ants eat people, and the people are altogether too good at football. Let them be!”

In the Indian Ocean, are the Seychelles free, now? Adjacent to the Spice Islands, they could represent the Walmingtonian Indian Ocean Territory, just west of the British. Then I'd also take Andaman and Nicobar, and that, I think, would be that.

[Chrinthanium]

If Reborn is willing to accept the history as you've suggested, I am willing to do the same. Since I haven't a clue as to which way Britain leans, I'm not entirely sure whether or not Britain and the Latins are neutral, enemies, or cautious friends. Time will tell.

I may, unless you object, assume if you're out in the Indian Ocean that, perhaps, the first Europeans in Australia were Walmingtonian rather than directly British. Since my vaguely worked out history is more a band of Catholics searching for Prester John's kingdom only to land/shipwreck in western Australia around Fremantle and eventually forge their own empire, I think this could work. Especially if you're intentionally shipping off Papists from the Walmingtonian lands. Though, early to mid 1600s is about where I'd like that to happen. It's no offense to Reborn, but somehow them being Walmingtonian with, later on, some British Catholics filtering in behind them, is a good position.

[Walmington on Sea]

If Reborn is willing to accept the history as you've suggested, I am willing to do the same. Since I haven't a clue as to which way Britain leans, I'm not entirely sure whether or not Britain and the Latins are neutral, enemies, or cautious friends. Time will tell.

I may, unless you object, assume if you're out in the Indian Ocean that, perhaps, the first Europeans in Australia were Walmingtonian rather than directly British. Since my vaguely worked out history is more a band of Catholics searching for Prester John's kingdom only to land/shipwreck in western Australia around Fremantle and eventually forge their own empire, I think this could work. Especially if you're intentionally shipping off Papists from the Walmingtonian lands. Though, early to mid 1600s is about where I'd like that to happen. It's no offense to Reborn, but somehow them being Walmingtonian with, later on, some British Catholics filtering in behind them, is a good position.

That does sound eminently reasonable.

The Angles and Jutes who became Walmingtonians took to the high seas in the years after the collapse of the Roman Empire as we know it in reality, though of course that collapse was not at all final in AMW, and I see them first taking over some Norse duties in North Atlantic pioneering, and then later perhaps preceding the Portuguese of reality in rounding Africa and heading east. It seems that we have shunned South America, and perhaps sailed always into the sun!

Walmingtonians may have entered the Indian Ocean in the 1400s or 1500s at latest, and found Australia in the 1600s. We were early but few. Catholics would have been increasingly keen to get out as the years went on, but legislation against them will have varied greatly between the home islands, Amberland, and the North Atlantic colonies, et cetera. They may have left in stages.

Walmingtonian conservatism, which lead to our extra dour Anglican church, meant that while other Europeans were building palaces and requiring fine tailored suits that could only be worn once and then discarded, we were building absurdly expensive rifles and dressing in itchy brown and grey and revering kings who lived in cottages. Hence our soldiers turn up in maroon, not British scarlet, because we'd buy a tiny bit of expensive dye and then make do with cheap fill-ins, so that (some of) our soldiers can have repeating rifles literally two centuries before anyone else.

Some of our few pioneers may have carried Kalthoff repeating rifles, and just taken a, "Wipe out anyone who disagrees until the survivors stop disagreeing" strategy.

As they'd be few in number, that could be a very localised strategy that gives way to diplomacy perhaps backed-up by tales of the early victories (certainly once in Aus, the early settlers won't have been able to repair, replicate, or replace their high-tech rifles once they wore out).


I really must be away to bed.

[The Reborn British Empire]

I would be prepared to accept the compromise on Gibraltar, if a little begrudgingly, as long as the Royal Navy has the right to station a squadron of frigates at the HM Dockyard there; the main reason I want Gibraltar, and the reason why it was historically so important to Britain IRL is its strategic position vis-à-vis the trade lanes in the Mediterranean and the Royal Navy's ability to protect British shipping passing through the Mediterranean. Gibraltar would not have been had it been fully British, a full-on military staging point, rather it would have been sufficient forces for its own defence plus the aforementioned frigates for commerce protection. But the compromise will do, subject to the status of those frigates being confirmed.

The discussions surrounding the Carribean (Bahamas and Bermuda) sound fine to me, would prefer Bermuda anyway to it works quite well. Likewise, WoS having St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha whilst I have the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich sounds good, although I hope you have no objections to RAF resupply aircraft stopping on Ascension for refuel?

And yeah, I'm happy with HK and Singapore in the East Indies and the Far East; the latter is sufficient to guard British trade lanes in the Indian Ocean, I believe.

[Walmington on Sea]

Generally, Walmingtonian bases are going to be more open to British forces in AMW than British bases are to American forces IRL, unless there exists some other specific treaty precluding it, as may or may not be the case in Gibraltar, depending what's worked out. Probably Walmington did no small part of its empire building with one eye on what the British were doing and every intention of seizing complementary positions.

Later, we shall have to work out who dragged who into the Drapoel débâcle...

[The Reborn British Empire]

That would work, and yes we have much to discuss.

Obviously we'll have to wait for TUGS to actually disappear before we can make dispositions in the Carribean, but shall we say that the BIOT (to you) and Falklands (to me) exchange is sorted?

[Chrinthanium]

I would be prepared to accept the compromise on Gibraltar, if a little begrudgingly, as long as the Royal Navy has the right to station a squadron of frigates at the HM Dockyard there; the main reason I want Gibraltar, and the reason why it was historically so important to Britain IRL is its strategic position vis-à-vis the trade lanes in the Mediterranean and the Royal Navy's ability to protect British shipping passing through the Mediterranean. Gibraltar would not have been had it been fully British, a full-on military staging point, rather it would have been sufficient forces for its own defence plus the aforementioned frigates for commerce protection. But the compromise will do, subject to the status of those frigates being confirmed.

The discussions surrounding the Carribean (Bahamas and Bermuda) sound fine to me, would prefer Bermuda anyway to it works quite well. Likewise, WoS having St Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha whilst I have the Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwich sounds good, although I hope you have no objections to RAF resupply aircraft stopping on Ascension for refuel?

And yeah, I'm happy with HK and Singapore in the East Indies and the Far East; the latter is sufficient to guard British trade lanes in the Indian Ocean, I believe.

We're working on something in the Discord that doesn't require a "squadron" of British naval vessels right on my doorstep.

[Chemaki]

Time to throw in my once a year post!

If you're looking for concessions/territory in the Med and you manage to secure Gibraltar, I'm happy to also put Cyprus up for grabs. I've never really done much with it and don't know how it would fit in well with Romnika, and always envisaged it as an outpost of a European power who used it to meddle in Romnika's affairs. I'm not too tempted to just throw it over to Beeg since I like the idea of it being a colony with a flavour and history of its own (even if it is mostly as some exotic destination for the Brits) as opposed to being just a big island off of the coast of a nearby power.

[The Reborn British Empire]

Time to throw in my once a year post!

If you're looking for concessions/territory in the Med and you manage to secure Gibraltar, I'm happy to also put Cyprus up for grabs. I've never really done much with it and don't know how it would fit in well with Romnika, and always envisaged it as an outpost of a European power who used it to meddle in Romnika's affairs. I'm not too tempted to just throw it over to Beeg since I like the idea of it being a colony with a flavour and history of its own (even if it is mostly as some exotic destination for the Brits) as opposed to being just a big island off of the coast of a nearby power.

I mean if you didn't want all of it to go to Britain, I'd love to talk about the RL Sovereign Base Areas, which would be an interesting point I'm sure

[Beddgelert]

Nice one, Chemaki! This could provide RP opportunities.

I mean, it's a bit obvious, but let's... divide Cyprus!

The CSR is of course dominated by Celts, but is also centre of the Hellenic world, so there are lots of options.

Hmm.

Okay, first stream-of-consciousness concept:

Cyprus as historically part of the Romanian Empire (Eastern Roman, based in Greece with clients in Tsalland and Romnika and sometimes holdings in southern Anatolia and the Bosporus etc.)... that starts to fall apart with the Communist revolutions in neighbouring Geletia in the early C20th and in Romnika, and with initially unsuccessful leftist revolts in Cyprus, Tsalland, and Greece-proper.

In the mid C20th, Communist Geletia is at war with the ailing Romanian Empire, which is also fighting Communist rebels at home. Perhaps the British invade Cyprus to check the Red menace there, or arrive at the invitation of either the Imperial or even the local Cypriot government, and establish the base areas, from where they carry-out actions against Communist rebels on the island.

Eventually, in the mid C20th, the Communists defeat the Empire, but while Cypriot revolutionaries probably want to liberate the entirety of their island, Geletia refuses to support their planned attacks on Akrotiri and Dhekelia, as it knows that war with Britain (and Walmington, which would presumably join in to support Mummy) is more than it can bear after such a difficult few decades.

Either that means that the CSR annexes most of Cyprus and de facto recognises the sovereign base areas, which become AMW's Guantanamo, to avoid total war that nobody really wins... or...

hmm... the ill-equipped Cypriot revolutionaries attack A&D without Akink's support, get hammered by the Fleet Air Arm and Royal Walmingtonian Marines etc., the British counter-attack and the revolutionaries start losing ground they'd just won from the Romanian Empire, only for the formative CSR to belatedly intervene, leading to a division of Cyprus between British base areas, independent but probably British-aligned right-nationalist South (IRL Greek) (which would have to be NPC or sort of co-played or... I don't know!), and CSR-aligned left-internationalist North (IRL Turkish).

I think that I like the latter option, if we can figure out how the southern portion surrounding the base areas would be played, and by whom.

(It has been a busy, late shift, so apologies if this is all a mess.)

[The Reborn British Empire]

I think this has an awful lot of potential, and would definitely be something I'd be happy to be part of going forwards.

[Walmington on Sea]

TRBE; I would be happy for you to keep the BIOT if I were to take the Seychelles (free, now? Formerly a British claim?) as the Walmingtonian Indian Ocean Territory.

Falklands (and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands?) to you while Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha remain Walmingtonian?

Gibraltar Walmingtonian but with special dispensations for British subjects and businesses et cetera.

I think that this leaves only (Bermuda and) the Caribbean to arrange?

I think that it is probably easier for the British claim to take the British territories, and for Walmington to add the Bahamas in their stead.

In Cyprus, Walmington expects nothing, but would have tried to support Britain.

What if Northern Cyprus is Communist, Southern Cyprus is a British colony, protectorate, or protected state, and the Sovereign Base Areas are Walmingtonian, established in support of the British sector, or something along those lines? Greek members of the British royal family, I feel, could be a factor!

[Chrinthanium]

TRBE; I would be happy for you to keep the BIOT if I were to take the Seychelles (free, now? Formerly a British claim?) as the Walmingtonian Indian Ocean Territory.

Falklands (and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands?) to you while Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha remain Walmingtonian?

Gibraltar Walmingtonian but with special dispensations for British subjects and businesses et cetera.

I think that this leaves only (Bermuda and) the Caribbean to arrange?

I think that it is probably easier for the British claim to take the British territories, and for Walmington to add the Bahamas in their stead.

In Cyprus, Walmington expects nothing, but would have tried to support Britain.

What if Northern Cyprus is Communist, Southern Cyprus is a British colony, protectorate, or protected state, and the Sovereign Base Areas are Walmingtonian, established in support of the British sector, or something along those lines? Greek members of the British royal family, I feel, could be a factor!

If you're giving away islands, I'd be thrilled to have Madeira and the Canary Islands. No? Never hurts to ask

[The Reborn British Empire]

TRBE; I would be happy for you to keep the BIOT if I were to take the Seychelles (free, now? Formerly a British claim?) as the Walmingtonian Indian Ocean Territory.

Falklands (and South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands?) to you while Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha remain Walmingtonian?

Gibraltar Walmingtonian but with special dispensations for British subjects and businesses et cetera.

I think that this leaves only (Bermuda and) the Caribbean to arrange?

I think that it is probably easier for the British claim to take the British territories, and for Walmington to add the Bahamas in their stead.

In Cyprus, Walmington expects nothing, but would have tried to support Britain.

What if Northern Cyprus is Communist, Southern Cyprus is a British colony, protectorate, or protected state, and the Sovereign Base Areas are Walmingtonian, established in support of the British sector, or something along those lines? Greek members of the British royal family, I feel, could be a factor!

That could certainly work, with regards to the BIOT.

Falklands, South Georgia and South Sandwhich to me, and the rest to you, also works for me.

Yes indeed, I believe that would be the best way forwards for Bermuda and the Carribean. I would be happy with that outcome, all things considered.

[Chrinthanium]

I will be updating the map today and getting the update posted either tonight or tomorrow. The biggest news, but definitely not surprising, is that TUGS will be removed from the map, so you can all start deciding what parts of that claim you wanted now.

I would like to drop Ghana in exchange for adding Costa Rica and Nicaragua to the Latin Empire. That would drop the Latin Empire population from 190,671,889 to 174,128,174.

[Marimaia]

Right, after having a chat on Discord and having a mooch around.........

I'm dropping the Kulandu claim. It was a nice idea but "Lysander's adventures in Africa" haven't worked out as well as I'd hoped, to the point where I have no idea where they're going. No-one else is using Kulandu in their history and the nation has no neighbours so it's not like it's going to be particularly missed or alter anyone's history.

Instead, I'm claiming the Caribbean island of Saint Lucia. It's not part of anyone's claim and I'd be adding it to the Caliphate claim, not as an actual territory of the Caliphate itself but rather as a new playground for the Margraves (and more specifically Lysander). The idea being that the family 'acquire' the island by paying off the national debt, buying up land, and paying off relevant people. Ultimately they want to build on the tourism industry and also get a lovely place of their own in the Caribbean. I'll be porting over a couple of characters from Kulandu and giving them some changes to fit them into Saint Lucia. It'll be far more relaxed for Lysander to have adventures on a Caribbean resort island, he won't have to tread lightly around people who might turn on him at any moment, and it should be much easier to write for

[Chrinthanium]

Right, after having a chat on Discord and having a mooch around.........

I'm dropping the Kulandu claim. It was a nice idea but "Lysander's adventures in Africa" haven't worked out as well as I'd hoped, to the point where I have no idea where they're going. No-one else is using Kulandu in their history and the nation has no neighbours so it's not like it's going to be particularly missed or alter anyone's history.

Instead, I'm claiming the Caribbean island of Saint Lucia. It's not part of anyone's claim and I'd be adding it to the Caliphate claim, not as an actual territory of the Caliphate itself but rather as a new playground for the Margraves (and more specifically Lysander). The idea being that the family 'acquire' the island by paying off the national debt, buying up land, and paying off relevant people. Ultimately they want to build on the tourism industry and also get a lovely place of their own in the Caribbean. I'll be porting over a couple of characters from Kulandu and giving them some changes to fit them into Saint Lucia. It'll be far more relaxed for Lysander to have adventures on a Caribbean resort island, he won't have to tread lightly around people who might turn on him at any moment, and it should be much easier to write for

I really see no issue with this. You definitely have my backing. Sounds like it could be fun.

[Chrinthanium]

I am working up the new map today for everything request above this post. Anything below will come on the next update...

...speaking of adding, I'd like to readd Puerto Rico back to the Latin Empire. It would bring the pop up from 174,128,174 to 177,480,001

[AMW Applications]

https://i.imgur.com/GKODZek.png

There's a new map.