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United Kongo
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Founded: Dec 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby United Kongo » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:01 am

Joining with the trend, I too would like to do a claim shift from my current location (although I wasn't their very long).

The new claim is the Kingdom of Sennar, consisting of
al Jazira state (Sudan) 4,926,555
Sennar state (Sudan) 1,532,085
White Nile state (Sudan) 1,140,694
Blue Nile (Sudan) 832,112
Kassala state (Sudan) 1,171,118
al Qadarif state (Sudan) 1,369,300
Upper Nile state (South Sudan) 964,353
Benishangul-Gumuz region (Ethiopia) 976,000
West Welega zone (Oromia region, Ethiopia) 1,350,415
Kelam Welega zone (Oromia region, Ethiopia) 797,666

with a total population of 15, 060, 298. Apologies to Chrin for cutting through country subdivisions but I did make a map to show what this cut entails.

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I've made this claim mainly because the area was one that I was considering claiming before as Sudan/the Horn of Africa is a particular interest of mine but I decided against it as it would have meant at the time that it would've been a landlocked claim with no neighbours. With Marimaia having claimed parts of Sudan though, this has created an opportunity for the claim.

Fundamentally, Sennar will have the same characteristics as Daresalam, with a wealthy governing group ruling over an impoverished country that more or less has sold out the countries resources to foreign companies and relies on ethnic/tribal patronage networks and repression in order to maintain control of the state. The history will be quite different however, as I have already discussed with Marimaia over tg to work out the details. Namely it will based off the old Sennar Sultanate that ruled over much of Sudan from the 16th to late 18th century. With the 19th century the Sultanate is already in terminal decline as various vassals to the north break off and the state more or less withers away,allowing foriegn merchants and mercenaries to move in. The Mahdist movement will feature in Sennar, taking over the region and using it as a base to expand between 1881-1898 and eventually forcing the Caliphate's hand to invade and destroy the Mahdists, creating the Sennar Wilayah.

From this point until the 1950s Sennar will act as a frontier territory of the Marimaian Caliphs. Between the 1950s and 1970s will be Sennar's long road to independence in lieu of the Great Reforms occurring in Marimaia around this point in time, with efforts initially being made to integrate Sennar fully within the Caliphate. However as a result of growing Communist/Nationalist agitation the situation turns in to a Bush war that is not deemed worth the effort, and so negotiations turn to decolonisation instead with the aim of installing a friendly conservative regime. The process with culminate with Sennar's independence under a Malik (King) and a Congo Crisis style event with an attempted takeover by Communist/Nationalist groups that is squashed with outside assistance. Beginning with the 1990s /2000s will be Sennar's economic privatisation with large grants of farmland, oil and mineral concessions granted to foriegn corporations, making the Malik and his ruling circle very wealthy but having huge social ramifications for the population that loses access to landThis would create a potentially explosive situation in the present day with rising popular discontent.

I would ideally like to keep some of the other shared history I had planned for Daresalam with Sennar. Chingiz could still gain his African mercs (and I guess Hippo) from Sennar. Also TCB, although Gandvik wouldn't play a direct colonial role anymore, I would like to keep a Gandvian Amin Pasha like figure to conquer Sennar on behalf of the Marimaians and rule it as his private domain for a few decades, maybe with the help of colonial civil servants and troops from Sumatra.

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Chrinthanium
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Founded: Feb 04, 2006
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Postby Chrinthanium » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:41 pm

United Kongo wrote:Joining with the trend, I too would like to do a claim shift from my current location (although I wasn't their very long).

The new claim is the Kingdom of Sennar, consisting of
al Jazira state (Sudan) 4,926,555
Sennar state (Sudan) 1,532,085
White Nile state (Sudan) 1,140,694
Blue Nile (Sudan) 832,112
Kassala state (Sudan) 1,171,118
al Qadarif state (Sudan) 1,369,300
Upper Nile state (South Sudan) 964,353
Benishangul-Gumuz region (Ethiopia) 976,000
West Welega zone (Oromia region, Ethiopia) 1,350,415
Kelam Welega zone (Oromia region, Ethiopia) 797,666

with a total population of 15, 060, 298. Apologies to Chrin for cutting through country subdivisions but I did make a map to show what this cut entails.

(Image)

I've made this claim mainly because the area was one that I was considering claiming before as Sudan/the Horn of Africa is a particular interest of mine but I decided against it as it would have meant at the time that it would've been a landlocked claim with no neighbours. With Marimaia having claimed parts of Sudan though, this has created an opportunity for the claim.

Fundamentally, Sennar will have the same characteristics as Daresalam, with a wealthy governing group ruling over an impoverished country that more or less has sold out the countries resources to foreign companies and relies on ethnic/tribal patronage networks and repression in order to maintain control of the state. The history will be quite different however, as I have already discussed with Marimaia over tg to work out the details. Namely it will based off the old Sennar Sultanate that ruled over much of Sudan from the 16th to late 18th century. With the 19th century the Sultanate is already in terminal decline as various vassals to the north break off and the state more or less withers away,allowing foriegn merchants and mercenaries to move in. The Mahdist movement will feature in Sennar, taking over the region and using it as a base to expand between 1881-1898 and eventually forcing the Caliphate's hand to invade and destroy the Mahdists, creating the Sennar Wilayah.

From this point until the 1950s Sennar will act as a frontier territory of the Marimaian Caliphs. Between the 1950s and 1970s will be Sennar's long road to independence in lieu of the Great Reforms occurring in Marimaia around this point in time, with efforts initially being made to integrate Sennar fully within the Caliphate. However as a result of growing Communist/Nationalist agitation the situation turns in to a Bush war that is not deemed worth the effort, and so negotiations turn to decolonisation instead with the aim of installing a friendly conservative regime. The process with culminate with Sennar's independence under a Malik (King) and a Congo Crisis style event with an attempted takeover by Communist/Nationalist groups that is squashed with outside assistance. Beginning with the 1990s /2000s will be Sennar's economic privatisation with large grants of farmland, oil and mineral concessions granted to foriegn corporations, making the Malik and his ruling circle very wealthy but having huge social ramifications for the population that loses access to landThis would create a potentially explosive situation in the present day with rising popular discontent.

I would ideally like to keep some of the other shared history I had planned for Daresalam with Sennar. Chingiz could still gain his African mercs (and I guess Hippo) from Sennar. Also TCB, although Gandvik wouldn't play a direct colonial role anymore, I would like to keep a Gandvian Amin Pasha like figure to conquer Sennar on behalf of the Marimaians and rule it as his private domain for a few decades, maybe with the help of colonial civil servants and troops from Sumatra.

I can work with the map you're suggesting. Your drawing will help out even more. Thanks! I'm not opposed to claims that don't follow what's already on the map, but I don't always have enough time to draw it all in.

Thanks to MLK Day on Monday, I have a three day weekend, so I will post a new map by then, providing everything passes before then.
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Marimaia
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Founded: Antiquity
Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Marimaia » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:12 pm

United Kongo wrote:*snip*


Quite obviously I have no objections to United Kongo's claim shift :P

Always happy to help with building up history for others, plus the Caliphate's hand in supporting the Kingdom of Sennar might go a little towards BG's hope for "capitalist nations who think that they're nice but actually aren't that nice" (paraphrased a little) :lol:

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AMW Applications
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 60
Founded: Jul 20, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby AMW Applications » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:56 pm

AMW Claims Map Changelog

Map Version 11 updated 15 January 2018
https://i.imgur.com/bL6NbBV.png

ADDITIONS

CONVALLARIA added to: Argentina, Chile without Valparaiso region
DEPKAZIA added to Xinjiang Autonomous Region of China.

SUBTRACTIONS

BRITISH EMPIRE dropped: Southern Argentina, Southern Chile
EIGHT NATIONS removed due to CTE

SHIFTS

VALENDIA shifted into Northern France, Netherlands, most of Denmark, Germany
DARESALAM shifted into parts of Sudan and Ethiopia
DRAPOL shifted into Cambodia, Mekong River Delta of Vietnam


Some tidying up business: For those wondering how version numbers are decided upon, a new claim warrants a new version. If there are only shifts, then it becomes an updated version with a decimal place. Now, to go find some ants willing to scorn the newly-shrunken Drapol.
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Cassanos
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Posts: 589
Founded: Dec 30, 2006
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Cassanos » Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:52 am

Chrinthanium wrote:EDIT AGAIN: Dear god, EP, you've left what could be a hell of a great location for a reconstitution of the Western Roman Empire. I... I.... must... not....

My thoughts entirely.
Uhm.
...
Hi. I mean, hi. ^^
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Chrinthanium
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Founded: Feb 04, 2006
Democratic Socialists

Postby Chrinthanium » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:24 pm

Cassanos wrote:
Chrinthanium wrote:EDIT AGAIN: Dear god, EP, you've left what could be a hell of a great location for a reconstitution of the Western Roman Empire. I... I.... must... not....

My thoughts entirely.
Uhm.
...
Hi. I mean, hi. ^^

Hi!! I sent you a link to our Discord
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Iansisle
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Posts: 917
Founded: Antiquity
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Iansisle » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:30 pm

Cassie! <3 <3 <3

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Beddgelert
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Posts: 494
Founded: Antiquity
Democratic Socialists

Postby Beddgelert » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:09 pm

I'm a Cass man! [does a little dance in chair]



Er, I mean, while this isn't of vital importance, I'd like to apply for an extension to the CSR before I hit the meat of my factbooking. Namely, the Italian regions of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Veneto, Trentino-Alto, to make my Austrian arm look less weird in the wider context, add about seven million people, and without knackering a future Italian claim. Some 7.15 million people, at a rough estimate.

I'd be inclined to shift a semi-Celtic Venetii tribe back here, and have it long blended with Roman and Tsagic entities, leading to sporadic despotates and -later- republics on and around the area, before the red brigades put a stop to all of that nonsense in probably the twentieth century.

I think that it fits well enough, geographically and likely historically, with the rest of the claim.

But, as I say, I'm not set heart and soul on the matter if anyone should seriously object.
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Chrinthanium
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Postby Chrinthanium » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:58 pm

Beddgelert wrote:I'm a Cass man! [does a little dance in chair]



Er, I mean, while this isn't of vital importance, I'd like to apply for an extension to the CSR before I hit the meat of my factbooking. Namely, the Italian regions of Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Veneto, Trentino-Alto, to make my Austrian arm look less weird in the wider context, add about seven million people, and without knackering a future Italian claim. Some 7.15 million people, at a rough estimate.

I'd be inclined to shift a semi-Celtic Venetii tribe back here, and have it long blended with Roman and Tsagic entities, leading to sporadic despotates and -later- republics on and around the area, before the red brigades put a stop to all of that nonsense in probably the twentieth century.

I think that it fits well enough, geographically and likely historically, with the rest of the claim.

But, as I say, I'm not set heart and soul on the matter if anyone should seriously object.

I'm all for this.
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Cassanos
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Founded: Dec 30, 2006
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Cassanos » Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:04 pm

Not that it matters, but you've got my vote. We might be sharing a border anyways.
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Fun times.
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The Kingdom of Arcadia
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 5
Founded: Dec 16, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The Kingdom of Arcadia » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:49 am

After discussions, and with your permission, I would like to adjust my claim to drop all of my Canadian territories in favour of adding the following five U.S States:

Kansas
Colorado
Texas
New Mexico
Oklahoma

With my population adjusting to account for the loss of Canada and the gain of the five states to 66,000,000

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The Crooked Beat
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Posts: 707
Founded: Feb 22, 2005
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Crooked Beat » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:13 pm

Hello everyone,

Seeing as I can't manage to organize my thoughts regarding Parsistan past some empty factbooking, and can't seem to concoct a concept for the place which isn't just an alternate-Iran, and seeing also as people have been waiting for replies from me about the state's nature and relationships which I haven't quite felt able to answer since there's still so much about Parsistan which is either up in the air or which I'd like to completely change, it seems that the proper thing to do is to just drop it. Surely others will be able to use the area and the possibilities represented by it to much better effect.

Also, while the matter deserves a much better response than that which I'm going to give here, I give Cass full authority to do as he likes with Sweden and Norway, provided no Finnish territories are removed without at least discussing it with me first. Whatever ideas I might at one time or another have harbored for those two countries don't amount to anything worth discussing, so Cass is welcome to them. (And most welcome to have back, besides!)

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Chrinthanium
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Postby Chrinthanium » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:18 pm

The Kingdom of Arcadia wrote:After discussions, and with your permission, I would like to adjust my claim to drop all of my Canadian territories in favour of adding the following five U.S States:

Kansas
Colorado
Texas
New Mexico
Oklahoma

With my population adjusting to account for the loss of Canada and the gain of the five states to 66,000,000

No objection from me.

The Crooked Beat wrote:Hello everyone,

Seeing as I can't manage to organize my thoughts regarding Parsistan past some empty factbooking, and can't seem to concoct a concept for the place which isn't just an alternate-Iran, and seeing also as people have been waiting for replies from me about the state's nature and relationships which I haven't quite felt able to answer since there's still so much about Parsistan which is either up in the air or which I'd like to completely change, it seems that the proper thing to do is to just drop it. Surely others will be able to use the area and the possibilities represented by it to much better effect.

Also, while the matter deserves a much better response than that which I'm going to give here, I give Cass full authority to do as he likes with Sweden and Norway, provided no Finnish territories are removed without at least discussing it with me first. Whatever ideas I might at one time or another have harbored for those two countries don't amount to anything worth discussing, so Cass is welcome to them. (And most welcome to have back, besides!)


Very well, TCB. On the next update, I will remove Parsistan from the map. I have more to say, but I am going to say it on the discussion thread about something Cass and I were talking about.
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DaShunchao
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Founded: Oct 15, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby DaShunchao » Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:11 pm

After discussion with Marimaia and others in the Discord, I am giving the city of Quanzhou (Fujian Province) to Mariamaia as a treaty port/trade concession.

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DaShunchao
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Founded: Oct 15, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby DaShunchao » Sat Jan 27, 2018 5:27 pm

After further discussion in the discord, the new treaty ports are as follows:

Macau - whoever gets Portugal. Chrinth, it looks like?

Hong Kong (Island and Kowloon) - Looks like Cassanos is taking it for his new claim

Quanzhou City - Marimaia

Xiamen - Valendia

If any other western states would like a treaty port, let me know soon please. :)

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Marimaia
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Marimaia » Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:04 pm

DaShunChao wrote:After further discussion in the discord, the new treaty ports are as follows:

Macau - whoever gets Portugal. Chrinth, it looks like?

Hong Kong (Island and Kowloon) - Looks like Cassanos is taking it for his new claim

Quanzhou City - Marimaia

Xiamen - Valendia

If any other western states would like a treaty port, let me know soon please. :)


I wholeheartedly agree with the stated transfer of land :)

In addition, since Oman and the UAE are now unclaimed, plus Socotra is all alone in the Arabian Sea.......I would like to step up and claim them to finish off the Arabian Peninsula. However, Cass will be receiving the city of Abu Dhabi for his own claim. I don't believe that Abu Dhabi city is a separate administrative division so apologies if that's annoying Chrin (sorry).

In total this would add 20,677,907 people to the Caliphate. I would end up with a population of 192,063,009 with a GDP per capita of $22,021 (as ever, GDP negotiable).
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Europe - Prussia
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Founded: Oct 25, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby Europe - Prussia » Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:13 pm

So, continuing the recent claim changes, and after talking with Cass of Discord, I've deiced to drop the Danish part of the Jutland Peninsula so Cass may take it (after all, what's a Danelaw claim without danes in it?) and I'll take the Channel Islands instead; it's an exchange, in other words.

Secondly, after a discussion with Roania on Discord, I will drop Macau and take Xiamen instead, with Ro's permission of course.

And finally, to make up for the lost population, I'd like to claim both Singapore (now that is unclaimed) and Brunei, which will serve nicely to connect Mauritius and Goa with Xiamen.

So, minus the Danish part of the Jutland Peninsula (2,643,571) and Macau (601,969) and plus the Channel Islands (164,541), Singapore (5,888,926), Brunei (443,593) and Xiamen (1,861,289) my population would go from 157,470,564 to 162,583,373.
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Chrinthanium
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Founded: Feb 04, 2006
Democratic Socialists

Postby Chrinthanium » Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:44 pm

Marimaia wrote:
DaShunChao wrote:After further discussion in the discord, the new treaty ports are as follows:

Macau - whoever gets Portugal. Chrinth, it looks like?

Hong Kong (Island and Kowloon) - Looks like Cassanos is taking it for his new claim

Quanzhou City - Marimaia

Xiamen - Valendia

If any other western states would like a treaty port, let me know soon please. :)


I wholeheartedly agree with the stated transfer of land :)

In addition, since Oman and the UAE are now unclaimed, plus Socotra is all alone in the Arabian Sea.......I would like to step up and claim them to finish off the Arabian Peninsula. However, Cass will be receiving the city of Abu Dhabi for his own claim. I don't believe that Abu Dhabi city is a separate administrative division so apologies if that's annoying Chrin (sorry).

In total this would add 20,677,907 people to the Caliphate. I would end up with a population of 192,063,009 with a GDP per capita of $22,021 (as ever, GDP negotiable).

They're not unclaimed. I still haven't officially shifted anything yet.

Europe - Prussia wrote:So, continuing the recent claim changes, and after talking with Cass of Discord, I've deiced to drop the Danish part of the Jutland Peninsula so Cass may take it (after all, what's a Danelaw claim without danes in it?) and I'll take the Channel Islands instead; it's an exchange, in other words.

Secondly, after a discussion with Roania on Discord, I will drop Macau and take Xiamen instead, with Ro's permission of course.

And finally, to make up for the lost population, I'd like to claim both Singapore (now that is unclaimed) and Brunei, which will serve nicely to connect Mauritius and Goa with Xiamen.

So, minus the Danish part of the Jutland Peninsula (2,643,571) and Macau (601,969) and plus the Channel Islands (164,541), Singapore (5,888,926), Brunei (443,593) and Xiamen (1,861,289) my population would go from 157,470,564 to 162,583,373.

Again, there has been no official dropping of the British Empire as of yet and everything is still British territory until you see a post with me saying "I am officially dropping." Thanks.
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Carlist Spains
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Founded: Dec 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Carlist Spains » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:15 pm

I would join because i DO need this, but it seems like most of my territory is already taken.

Sad.
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Ideology: Carlism
Monarch: His Catholic Majesty Sixto Enrique I de Borbón-Parma

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Amerique
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Posts: 177
Founded: Oct 12, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Amerique » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:44 pm

So far this is the only official map of claimed territory. Submit an application with a detailed, well-written description of your idea and we can review it.

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Carlist Spains
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Founded: Dec 31, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Carlist Spains » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:51 pm

Considering that my lands are these, you would need to wipe out most of American nations that already exist, and some european ones too.
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Ideology: Carlism
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United Kongo
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Founded: Dec 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby United Kongo » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:58 am

Carlist Spains wrote:Considering that my lands are these, you would need to wipe out most of American nations that already exist, and some european ones too.

If you would consider scaling back those claims and writing up a decent app you could certainly apply.

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Carlist Spains
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Ex-Nation

Postby Carlist Spains » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:12 am

United Kongo wrote:
Carlist Spains wrote:Considering that my lands are these, you would need to wipe out most of American nations that already exist, and some european ones too.

If you would consider scaling back those claims and writing up a decent app you could certainly apply.


Lol never, see y’all on the flipside
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Chemaki
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Founded: Apr 23, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Chemaki » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:37 am

Carlist Spains wrote:Lol never, see y’all on the flipside


Best of luck! Sure you'll be missed! :)

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Amerique
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Ex-Nation

Postby Amerique » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:57 am

Carlist Spains wrote:
United Kongo wrote:If you would consider scaling back those claims and writing up a decent app you could certainly apply.


Lol never, see y’all on the flipside


Okay.

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