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[Europe - Prussia]

Le snip

There's little to say about this claim beyond what I already said on Discord, but for formality's sake, I'll repeat it here: with the exception of Korea and Japan (though seeing that this point is already solved saying this is kinda redundant) I have no problems with this claim. A fresh new person with a very interesting idea which, while big, is written in such a way that real threat to the rest of AMW.

I'd also like to see the interactions between China and my claim, Valendia, over the Ryukyu islands, which are part of my claim as the Ryukyu kingdom: historically, the Ryukyu kingdom had a very unique relationship with both Ming and the Tokugawa Shogunate, so in AMW, I wonder if these interactions remained the same? there's some changes? or the chinese emperor still believes that Ryukyu is some kind of tributary? questions, questions ....

Another le snip

Quite the ambitious claim, but I'm ok with it. Feel free to use Valendia as your former colonial overlords. However, I'd like you to keep in mind that in 1800 Valendia outlawed slavery and took steps in order to eradicate it from within its borders, quite violently I might add; I've already hinted at this on the empire's history, but to keep it simple, the level of cruelty applied might be between Robespierre and Tamerlane. Nice, isn't it?

[Hashkin]

I did, I wqs just think about a German Empire that declined similarly to Great Britian

Okay... then write out your idea so we can read it and go from there.

Idea 1: ww1 revolution puts in New monarchy and ends German particptaion

2: Germany unifys with the German part of Austria before the war

Both will end with Germany not joining or leaving the Triple alliance/central powers

[Chrinthanium]

Okay... then write out your idea so we can read it and go from there.

Idea 1: ww1 revolution puts in New monarchy and ends German particptaion

2: Germany unifys with the German part of Austria before the war

Both will end with Germany not joining or leaving the Triple alliance/central powers

Hashkin, thanks for taking the time to check us out, but I think AMW may not quite be for you.

[Chemaki]

Idea 1: ww1 revolution puts in New monarchy and ends German particptaion

2: Germany unifys with the German part of Austria before the war

Both will end with Germany not joining or leaving the Triple alliance/central powers

I appreciate the effort but I think you should read up a little about the community before you put forward an application. It might take a bit of time but AMW caters well to that, so feel free to come back in a few days when you can really get a few good ideas about stuff like history and culture down!

[Chrinthanium]

A note about the upcoming map....

I have always had one claim, one color. No matter how you subdivide your claim, that's how I've always done it. So, Max, you're gonna be one color just because even shading was getting to be a terrible issue.

Also, as discussed in the Discord, Roania has given Macau to EP and Hong Kong to Britain. So, that will be reflected in the upcoming map.

Right.. as I understand it... here it is: https://i.imgur.com/k2xyViK.png

[The Amyclae]

A note about the upcoming map....

I have always had one claim, one color. No matter how you subdivide your claim, that's how I've always done it. So, Max, you're gonna be one color just because even shading was getting to be a terrible issue.

Also, as discussed in the Discord, Roania has given Macau to EP and Hong Kong to Britain. So, that will be reflected in the upcoming map.

Right.. as I understand it... here it is: https://i.imgur.com/k2xyViK.png

Perfect Chrin, I'm too high maintenance.

[Walmington on Sea]

It has been brought to my attention that I was less than comprehensive in making my latest claim for a reduced Walmington, and now I would like to add the former Funen County of Denmark (broadly speaking: the remaining islands), which I think would amount to around half a million people, and I've been wondering whether to also add the German island of Rügen, which I think is home to between 60 and 80 thousand people.

With the addition of both, if I am not much mistaken, the Imperial population would increase from just shy of 15.2 million to almost 15.8 million.

I thought about asking for Bornholm back, but perhaps it's better just to talk to TCB and see what history we can work out there.

[Chrinthanium]

It has been brought to my attention that I was less than comprehensive in making my latest claim for a reduced Walmington, and now I would like to add the former Funen County of Denmark (broadly speaking: the remaining islands), which I think would amount to around half a million people, and I've been wondering whether to also add the German island of Rügen, which I think is home to between 60 and 80 thousand people.

With the addition of both, if I am not much mistaken, the Imperial population would increase from just shy of 15.2 million to almost 15.8 million.

I thought about asking for Bornholm back, but perhaps it's better just to talk to TCB and see what history we can work out there.

I certainly have no objection to that. I don't think anyone would, really. A few hundred thousand people is nothing with all this wide-open AMW space.

[Chrinthanium]

So, I have been thinking about the British Empire a bit and wanted to do a bit of a claim pivot with the African territories.

I was thinking of dropping Angola, Zambia, and the portions of DR Congo I have in favor of adding the remainder of Namibia, Botswana, all of S. Africa, Lesotho, and Swaziland. I'd retain Zimbabwe. That would bring British population up to around 172 million.

[Marimaia]

So, I have been thinking about the British Empire a bit and wanted to do a bit of a claim pivot with the African territories.

I was thinking of dropping Angola, Zambia, and the portions of DR Congo I have in favor of adding the remainder of Namibia, Botswana, all of S. Africa, Lesotho, and Swaziland. I'd retain Zimbabwe. That would bring British population up to around 172 million.

No objections from me

[Beddgelert]

Right, sorry, everyone. ”We've been talking on Discord, and...” I've admitted that Soviet India isn't working as I'd hoped. I was torn when I made the switch back, but much as I enjoyed Soviet India first time round, it had its day, and I can't seem to make it work.

This past fortnight I've had plenty of time on my hands, and have hardly even made progress on my factbook, let alone RP. Because I have Celtic characters to fill most niches, I've found myself struggling to create meaningful Indian characters without it feeling like tokenism applied with a shoe-horn. The idea worked first time, all those years ago, but now I'm just not finding it a comfortable fit.

It was suggested in the chat that I keep Soviet India and restore a smaller Geletia in Europe, and link their ideology. Last night that briefly seemed like an ideal solution, but I thought it best to sleep on the notion. Having slept, sobered up, and got drunk again, I don't think it makes sense. I'd be playing a Communist India, 'just because', and I'm probably not the person to do that.

If everyone is okay with it -and several members of the community have already indicated to me that they very much are, or even favour this course of action- I'd like to abandon the whole damn project and return to the Saimonas, as the Geletians call South Eastern and Central Europe.

I feel a little guilty robbing some other players of history in India, but to be honest that's all rather new, anyway, and I think we can cope, eh?

One discussion with Chrin has brought up the idea that a vast Celtic world, stretching from Liechtenstein and Austria to Greece and Turkey (excepting the bits of Turkey occupied by Depkazia, of course), could still give Britain cause for its Fascist turn. Perhaps a crumbling Triarchy's C20th threat to impose a tariff on shipping passing through the Bosporus, enraging the Shieldians, British, Walmingtonians, and likely others besides, could occasion an enormous war, in which the, “sick man” Triarchy inflicts unexpected losses on the British and their cohorts, collapsing a government that was probably already unpopular and launching a foreign war as a desperate last gambit.

The conflict, though a disaster for Britain and any allies that may have joined her, could also have triggered the first Gaulish revolution, as the Triarchy's under-development and geopolitical naivety were laid bare, leading to a Principality in either Europe or Asia Minor, and a Communist republic in the other. Thereafter a great civil war would have raged for years, likely drawing in foreign powers behind one proxy or another (mostly Celert's Principality, one supposes), until the eventual Communist victory.

This would lead to a nation of some 171 million people, predominantly Gauls, with significant Greek and Slavic minorities in Europe, and smaller Jewish, Turkic, Hellenised-Celtic, and Dacian-Celtic minorities.

I think -and hope- that a few weeks trying and failing to resurrect Celtic India may have given me new appreciation for what I had going in Europe.

In terms of wealth and power, I want this Beddgelert to be an *almost* superpower. 171m people, vast territory, at best a moderate resource base, some strategic choke-points under control, and an economy worth at least $17,500 per capita, perhaps 20-odd k at the higher end. It would not be able to put out multiple carrier battle-fleets on the high seas, as Soviet India may have, but would absolutely dare to directly support anti-colonial struggles in the British, Walmingtonian, Gulfer, and other empires, sending arms, funds, advisers, and guerrillas in large quantities, and preparing to defend its own shores against reprisal, and putting high ideals in troubled Gandvian heads, and elaborate toxin delivery systems in idle Valendian hands, et cetera et cetera, while sending free medicines to Romnika and barefoot doctors to the most remote corners of Dra-pol, because that seems like something loads of people would volunteer to do.

If nobody objects, the renewed Commonwealth of Socialist Republics would span Liechtenstein to Turkey, with the exception of the Depkazi occupied parts, which I'm hoping Dep may agree to characterise as historically disputed lands containing a Celtic minority, much as the adjacent provinces of the CSR would contain Kurdish and Turkic minorities. Because who *doesn't* want to give Chingiz an excuse!?

That'd leave Germany, Jutland, and the Low Countries bordering one another in Europe and free to create another viable power or two.

[Beddgelert]

Per chat, I'm okay with Chrin's proposed changes. Not a huge population shift, no really established RP consequences, and though he may gain farmland, diamonds, and a small population boon, he loses much in copper, rare earth-metals, and oil, and may inherit new dilemmas inherent to being a racist colonial power that's looking after a vast concentric colony that may either see its elite over-run by the majority population, or its elite over-confident and dismissive of the motherland's authority. A balancing act worth playing out, I think.

[Chemaki]

I'm going to be awful just because I can, here (and also because it's always been a problem for me). Could I nab Southwestern Turkey - the provinces of Mersin, Adana, Hatay, Kilis, Osmaniye, Gazianstep, Sanliurfa, Adiyaman, Diyarbakir, Batman, Bitlis, Van, Mardin, Sirnak, Hakka? I've always been in two minds about extending Romnika into Turkey - whilst I don't like the idea of a huge Romnika and really didn't want to claim anything outside of East Turkey, it did make my nation look like a big splat of cat vomit across the Middle East. When Chrin moved in briefly to the Bosphorous it made sense to split Anatolia with him since Chrinthania was a big rival power (and if I recall Chrin didn't want the rest of Turkey and it was silly having a bit of dragonland there that nobody would claim) but when he left it just felt like I was claiming a lot of largely empty land for no reason and making Romnika a lot larger and less threatened than I wanted.

However, Armenian culture and history has always been a big part of Romnika's heritage so I want to keep this little strip of land from Cicilia to Lake Van. I was tenuous about putting the claim up in case a Chrin-esque empire popped up again and I could afford to make Romnika a bit beefier too, or even in case you moved back and just wanted a bit of Turkey instead of the whole deal! If you're set on taking as much as you can though, that works beautifully in my favour since I can pick and choose these provinces and not feel the need to take any more to fill in Dragonland holes.

Proposed extension

On the flip side, whilst I'm keeping hold of Cyprus, I haven't really done that much with it so if Valendia, Britain or someone else wants it as a sunny holiday resort, I'd love to discuss things and make the island something a bit more interesting than just another patch of ground. Alternatively it could be a former colony that Romnika took over somehow (and actually means I can have one offensive war in my history) but unless it's fairly recent I don't see how Romnika could mount an invasion on any sea-based colonial power.

Looking forward to having you back here, Beeg!

[Chrinthanium]

I'm going to be awful just because I can, here (and also because it's always been a problem for me). Could I nab Southwestern Turkey - the provinces of Mersin, Adana, Hatay, Kilis, Osmaniye, Gazianstep, Sanliurfa, Adiyaman, Diyarbakir, Batman, Bitlis, Van, Mardin, Sirnak, Hakka? I've always been in two minds about extending Romnika into Turkey - whilst I don't like the idea of a huge Romnika and really didn't want to claim anything outside of East Turkey, it did make my nation look like a big splat of cat vomit across the Middle East. When Chrin moved in briefly to the Bosphorous it made sense to split Anatolia with him since Chrinthania was a big rival power (and if I recall Chrin didn't want the rest of Turkey and it was silly having a bit of dragonland there that nobody would claim) but when he left it just felt like I was claiming a lot of largely empty land for no reason and making Romnika a lot larger and less threatened than I wanted.

However, Armenian culture and history has always been a big part of Romnika's heritage so I want to keep this little strip of land from Cicilia to Lake Van. I was tenuous about putting the claim up in case a Chrin-esque empire popped up again and I could afford to make Romnika a bit beefier too, or even in case you moved back and just wanted a bit of Turkey instead of the whole deal! If you're set on taking as much as you can though, that works beautifully in my favour since I can pick and choose these provinces and not feel the need to take any more to fill in Dragonland holes.

Proposed extension

On the flip side, whilst I'm keeping hold of Cyprus, I haven't really done that much with it so if Valendia, Britain or someone else wants it as a sunny holiday resort, I'd love to discuss things and make the island something a bit more interesting than just another patch of ground. Alternatively it could be a former colony that Romnika took over somehow (and actually means I can have one offensive war in my history) but unless it's fairly recent I don't see how Romnika could mount an invasion on any sea-based colonial power.

Looking forward to having you back here, Beeg!

Uh, you did read that Beeg claimed all of Turkey except the bits that we're already Depkazi, right?

Right, sorry, everyone. ”We've been talking on Discord, and...” I've admitted that Soviet India isn't working as I'd hoped. I was torn when I made the switch back, but much as I enjoyed Soviet India first time round, it had its day, and I can't seem to make it work.

This past fortnight I've had plenty of time on my hands, and have hardly even made progress on my factbook, let alone RP. Because I have Celtic characters to fill most niches, I've found myself struggling to create meaningful Indian characters without it feeling like tokenism applied with a shoe-horn. The idea worked first time, all those years ago, but now I'm just not finding it a comfortable fit.

It was suggested in the chat that I keep Soviet India and restore a smaller Geletia in Europe, and link their ideology. Last night that briefly seemed like an ideal solution, but I thought it best to sleep on the notion. Having slept, sobered up, and got drunk again, I don't think it makes sense. I'd be playing a Communist India, 'just because', and I'm probably not the person to do that.

If everyone is okay with it -and several members of the community have already indicated to me that they very much are, or even favour this course of action- I'd like to abandon the whole damn project and return to the Saimonas, as the Geletians call South Eastern and Central Europe.

I feel a little guilty robbing some other players of history in India, but to be honest that's all rather new, anyway, and I think we can cope, eh?

One discussion with Chrin has brought up the idea that a vast Celtic world, stretching from Liechtenstein and Austria to Greece and Turkey (excepting the bits of Turkey occupied by Depkazia, of course), could still give Britain cause for its Fascist turn. Perhaps a crumbling Triarchy's C20th threat to impose a tariff on shipping passing through the Bosporus, enraging the Shieldians, British, Walmingtonians, and likely others besides, could occasion an enormous war, in which the, “sick man” Triarchy inflicts unexpected losses on the British and their cohorts, collapsing a government that was probably already unpopular and launching a foreign war as a desperate last gambit.

The conflict, though a disaster for Britain and any allies that may have joined her, could also have triggered the first Gaulish revolution, as the Triarchy's under-development and geopolitical naivety were laid bare, leading to a Principality in either Europe or Asia Minor, and a Communist republic in the other. Thereafter a great civil war would have raged for years, likely drawing in foreign powers behind one proxy or another (mostly Celert's Principality, one supposes), until the eventual Communist victory.

This would lead to a nation of some 171 million people, predominantly Gauls, with significant Greek and Slavic minorities in Europe, and smaller Jewish, Turkic, Hellenised-Celtic, and Dacian-Celtic minorities.

I think -and hope- that a few weeks trying and failing to resurrect Celtic India may have given me new appreciation for what I had going in Europe.

In terms of wealth and power, I want this Beddgelert to be an *almost* superpower. 171m people, vast territory, at best a moderate resource base, some strategic choke-points under control, and an economy worth at least $17,500 per capita, perhaps 20-odd k at the higher end. It would not be able to put out multiple carrier battle-fleets on the high seas, as Soviet India may have, but would absolutely dare to directly support anti-colonial struggles in the British, Walmingtonian, Gulfer, and other empires, sending arms, funds, advisers, and guerrillas in large quantities, and preparing to defend its own shores against reprisal, and putting high ideals in troubled Gandvian heads, and elaborate toxin delivery systems in idle Valendian hands, et cetera et cetera, while sending free medicines to Romnika and barefoot doctors to the most remote corners of Dra-pol, because that seems like something loads of people would volunteer to do.

If nobody objects, the renewed Commonwealth of Socialist Republics would span Liechtenstein to Turkey, with the exception of the Depkazi occupied parts, which I'm hoping Dep may agree to characterise as historically disputed lands containing a Celtic minority, much as the adjacent provinces of the CSR would contain Kurdish and Turkic minorities. Because who *doesn't* want to give Chingiz an excuse!?

That'd leave Germany, Jutland, and the Low Countries bordering one another in Europe and free to create another viable power or two.

YES, YES, AND YES!!!!

[Beddgelert]

I was going to go for something like this, with reference to minorities in the CSR.



Lake Van being at the core of the Kurdish Socialist Autonomous Province, or whatever I designate it, as one of nine first-level sub-divisions along with Galatia, Ionia, Aigosagion, Greece, Geletia, Tsagia, the Shieldo-Geltian 'middle country' and the as yet unnamed Dacio-Geletian province. (Yes, Geletia and Galatia are both in the same hue of red, sorry, I'd had a bottle and a quarter of vodka when I made that map.)

[Iansisle]

On behalf of myself and LRR, welcome to the club of Ludicrously Long Eastern European Countries, BG

"East and west are the absolute best,
South and north bring troubles forth!"

[Chrinthanium]

On behalf of myself and LRR, welcome to the club of Ludicrously Long Eastern European Countries, BG

"East and west are the absolute best,
South and north bring troubles forth!"

You need something long AND girthy. Length alone is not always good.

[Amerique]

On behalf of myself and LRR, welcome to the club of Ludicrously Long Eastern European Countries, BG

"East and west are the absolute best,
South and north bring troubles forth!"

You need something long AND girthy. Length alone is not always good.

it looks like Geletia's got the thiccc

[United Kongo]

Heya, good to see AMW is still running as I'm interested in returning with another claim in Africa that will hopefully generate a few good roleplays. I've looked around a bit on the Big Discussion and Application threads so as to get a better idea of AMW at the moment.

The Kingdom of Daresalam (Mamlakah al Daresalam)

Claims: Dar Es Salaam Region (Tanzania), Bagamayo District, Kibaha District, Kisarawe District, Mkuranga District, Rufiji District ( Pwani Region; Tanzania) Morogoro District, Morogoro Urban District, Mvomero District, Kilosa District, Gairo District (Morogoro Region;Tanzania)

Population: 6,962,180

Capital: Dar Es Salaam
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: King (Malik) Muhammad ibn Yusuf
Head of Government: Muhammad ibn Yusuf
Official Languages: Arabic, Swahili, many other local languages.

Located on the East African coast, the Kingdom of Daresalam is a nation of contrasts, as while it boasts a rapidly growing and diverse economy, much of the population remains mired in poverty as the majority of the countries wealth is held by the ruling family and upper class. The Malik and his government have to play an increasingly difficult game of having to play off various power brokers within the state and rising demands for reform and greater participation in governance and the economy of the rural and urban poor.

Much of Daresalams history would be similar to IRL, with numerous Swahili city states dotting the coast line, with close cultural and religious ties to the Arabian peninsula and Islamic world as well as economic ties to the Indian Ocean trading network. The city states would function as a transit zone where goods traded from the interior of Africa such as Ivory, Gold and Slaves are sold and moved onto the outside world while cloth and other sought after manufactured good are imported. The various Bantu speaking peoples of the interior would likely maintain cultural and political with the Swahili cities, becoming involved in shifting disputes and alliances.

Daresalam's true origins however would be in the late 18th and 19th centuries. I see Chrin's British empire controls both Zanzibar and Oman, which historically ruled over the Swahili coast before being pulled into the British orbit and eventually partitioned and annexed. I'm not sure what history you have for these territories but I was hoping you would keep the Omani/Zanzibar Sultanate, from which Daresalam would emerge. Much like IRL, Dar Es Salaam would be founded as a mainland hub for the 19th century Ivory and Slave trade in East Africa, with an Arab/Swahili merchant appointed by the Sultan to rule over the settlement as Liwali (Governor). This Liwali is able to quickly establish himself as a powerful figure in his own right and cultivate political and economic links both in the African interior and with foriegn traders seeking to tap into the interior trade networks. The increasing power of the Liwali leads to tensions with the Sultan over issues of sovereignty. This would eventually culminate with the Liwali looking to foreign colonial powers for protection as a means of preserving his own power base against the Sultan, leading the creation of the Daresalam Protectorate in the late 19th century. Looking at the map, I was thinking perhaps Gandvik could play the role of the Colonial ruler, as its control over Sumatra would give it a presence in the Indian Ocean trade, while the distance from Africa would prevent to strong colonial control.

Colonial Daresalam would be characterized by the Liwali and his descendants, now Maliks in their own right, continuing rule over the Protectorate while grating economic concessions to the colonial power. While initially profitable, the decline of the Ivory trade would see the decline in profitability of the colony as a whole, which soon becomes a backwater and cost on the colonial budget. The Decolonization process in the 1970's or 1980s (either through official independence or the granting of dominion status) is likely the result of the desire of the colonizing power to cut back on expenses on an unprofitable commitment and a rising intellectual class pushing for independence and reform. In the middle of this, the Maliks sees to preserve its own monopoly on power and try to survive the transition to independence, so that the initial Post independent period is marked by attempts by the monarchy to survive coups, revolution and civil strife . Daresalam begins to stabilise towards the end of the 1980s and beginning of the 1990s with the ascent of the current Malik Muhammad Ibn Yusuf, who implements a number of liberal economic reforms and lax labour laws in order to encourage foreign investment and development in Daresalam.

As mentioned above, Daresalam has very lax corporate tax laws and labour laws in order to attract international investment and development. Thus, much of the countries economy is concentrated in the capital of Dar Es Salaaam, which thanks to generous economic concessions to foreign corporations, boasts a diverse range of industries such as textiles, telecommunications, chemical industry, food processing and cheap electrical goods. I'd imagine Daresalam is a also a favored tax haven giving rise to a growing banking sector to service this demand. A growing tourist sector is also present in order to take advantage of foreign interest. In contrast the to the capital, much of the rural hinterland remains economically under developed, with much of the population involved in the cultivation of various crops such as Sorghum, cassava, rice, millet, Bananas, as well as cash crops such as Cashew nuts, Sisal and Cotton. Despite its growing economy, much of Daresalams wealth remains concentrated in the hands of the wealthy ruling elite and foreigners, that own much of the countries profitable industries, while the majority of the population still remains mired in poverty, with only limited government expenditure on welfare services.

In contrast to its very liberal economic policies, Daresalam's maintains a very restricted political franchise, where the Malik maintains full control over the countries political franchise, although in theory his power is ultimately restricted by the Qur'an and Sunnah. Much of the countries ministries and government positions are dominated by the ruling family and the Arab-Swahili ruling class of Dar. Es Salaam In the city of Dar Es Salaam, much of the middle bureaucracy consists of the growing Urban and Swahili speaking middle class, which while have been bought off thus far by economic prosperity provided by the Kingdom, are increasingly beginning to assert to demands for greater political rights and access to political power. In the countryside, the Kingdoms relies on traditional figures of authorities who have been co-opted into the political system to maintain control, in return for privilliges. As Daresalam's legal system practices a mixture of Sharia and imported Western law from its former colonial power, the Ulema constitute another major pillar of the state. Much of the Kingdoms judiciary is occupied by members of the local branch of the Qadiriyya Sufi Brotherhood, who are heavily entwined with the political elite of the country. The Kingdom maintains a strict regulation on civil society groups and political parties, driving many of them underground or rendering as limp puppet oppositions to the Royal family, effectively restricting legal forms of political expression and protest.

Militarily, Daresalam maintains a modest army that is more geared towards maintaining the monarchy's grip on power rather than dealing with outside threats. For this reason, the Daresalami army maintains a high number of foreign soldiers to preserve their loyalty to the Malik, and recruits from only select groups within the country to maintain its grip on power and prevent the potential creation of a military trained opposition.

Although Arabic is listed as one of the countries official languages, Swahili forms Daresalams true national tongue and is known by a majority of its citizens as either a native tongue or fluent second language. The Swahili tongue and adherence to Islam, with the Shafi'i legal school and membership to the Qadiriyya predominating, serve as the most common pillars of a common Daresalami identity. Culturally, Daresalamis are divided into a number of different identity groups with overlapping boundaries. The Arab ruling class primarily resides in the city of Dar Es Salaam and trace their roots back to the Arabian Peninsula during various waves of migration. However, extensive intermarriage with much of the local population, as well as the assimilation of individuals who do manage to ascend into the countries ruling class, have lead many to assert that Daresalami Arabs represent less of an ethnic group than a social class. Ethnic Swahili tradtionally encompasses the coastal trading peoples and were traditionally the majority of Dar Es Salaam, however like Arabs, the boundaries of what constitutes a Swahili are also blurred, as many stress thier African and Middle Eastern ancestaries, while the spread of the Swahili language and rural migration to Dar Es Salaam have increainsly called into question what constitutes a Swahili. In the rural hinterlands, various Bantu speaking peoples such as the Zalamo, Kagulu, Lugulu, Kuti, Rufiji, Ndengereko, Kami, Kwere, Vinduna and Sagulu. Many of these groups still continue to identify primarily with thier ethnic identity, although shared socio econmic and politcal discriminatio and hard ship has icnreasinly seen the rise of of a common "Bantu" or "African" identity amongst them.

In terms of International Relations, I'd imagine Daresalam maintains strong relations with many of the middle and higher income state of the globe as it generally seeks to attract foriegn economic investment and interest. The Monarchy would seek to maintain strong political, economic and military ties with its former colonial overlords as a means of preserving political power, sought like the relationship between France and many of its former colonies. Daresalam would be more leery of what it sees as revolutionary regimes, due to their potential as a source of inspiratio or sponsor of the impoverished masses of the Kingdom. This would include not only the various Socialist states in existence but also countries such as Depkazia, as Chingiz claiming of Caliph could potentially serve to mobilise Islamist activitism against the monarchy in Daresalam (perhaps a number of Daresalami served in the Depkazi wars as mercenaries).

[Marimaia]

*snip*

Certainly seems to be an interesting claim I am curious as to why you've gone with so little of Tanzania because if it were me I would have gone with more of it, but that's just my personal opinion.

From a potential RP point of view, I can see the possibility of both good relations and bad relations between the Kingdom of Daresalam and the Kingdom of Marimaia. The good relations would come from the fact that the Marimaians would certainly want to invest in Daresalam and we would be one of your best customers when it came to agriculture. We also get non-national labour from Britain's African colonies and there could also be Daresalamis who work in the Kingdom of Marimaia, sending money back home; Marimaia's not likely to expose them to any ideas that might prove troublesome for the Malik, as Marimaia is an absolute monarchy. In fact I could see our royal families swapping tips on how to keep our people nice and orderly. We're also kinda leery of Depkazia

The possible bad relations might come from the religious side of things. While fifty-five percent of Marimaians are Muslims (moderate Ibadi to be more precise), there is the question of how the Daresalami might feel about a non-Muslim dynasty ruling a kingdom which contains the Two Holy Mosques. The Margraves allow religious freedoms but they've also enshrined in law that Mecca and the Old City of Medina are off-limits to non-Muslims, plus the governors of the regions containing Mecca and Medina have to be Muslim as well. So while they've done pretty much everything they possibly can to respect the status of Mecca and Medina, they ensure that the Hajj takes place in safety, and the fact that they liberated the Arabian Peninsula from the dominance of a Crusader-esque Catholic kingdom, there is obviously still a possibility that other Muslim nations might not be entirely appreciative of the Margraves.

Either way, it would be awesome to see a non-colonial African nation because at the moment all claimed African territory is in the hands of non-African nations

[Beddgelert]

Huh, welcome back!

Looks a reasonable claim to me, and as Mari says, we could do with some independent African states.

No doubt Chrin will be annoyed by the claiming of less than a complete primary sub-division, but from what I can tell it's a pretty straight-forward snip through the waist of Morogoro, and the only bit of Pwani missing is the island already claimed by the colonials, eh? Looks reasonable on the map, if I'm reading it right.

Needless to say, Daresalam would be on the Commonwealth's hit-list, though of course the various colonies are higher priority.

[Chrinthanium]

*le snip*.

Well, I see nothing to object to apart from having such a small part of Tanzania.... or making me work with borders not on the map As far as history and Britain, particularly Oman and Zanzibar, whatever you need you can have. Much of British history hasn't been written yet, so this will help fill in some gaps. Definitely not a problem. All in all you got my support and my gentle nudge to claim a bit more if you want to.

I have to just figure out how Britain and Chrinthania feel about your country.

Separately, as far as Britain goes, I want to formally add Sri Lanka. That plus what Britain has (including the pivot that will be mapped later tonight) would bring her population to somewhere in the neighborhood of 198 million, if there's no objection.

EDIT:

This is what the new map looks like without my potential addition or Kongo's new claim: https://i.imgur.com/0WDF0Bt.png

[United Kongo]

*snip*

Certainly seems to be an interesting claim I am curious as to why you've gone with so little of Tanzania because if it were me I would have gone with more of it, but that's just my personal opinion.

From a potential RP point of view, I can see the possibility of both good relations and bad relations between the Kingdom of Daresalam and the Kingdom of Marimaia. The good relations would come from the fact that the Marimaians would certainly want to invest in Daresalam and we would be one of your best customers when it came to agriculture. We also get non-national labour from Britain's African colonies and there could also be Daresalamis who work in the Kingdom of Marimaia, sending money back home; Marimaia's not likely to expose them to any ideas that might prove troublesome for the Malik, as Marimaia is an absolute monarchy. In fact I could see our royal families swapping tips on how to keep our people nice and orderly. We're also kinda leery of Depkazia

The possible bad relations might come from the religious side of things. While fifty-five percent of Marimaians are Muslims (moderate Ibadi to be more precise), there is the question of how the Daresalami might feel about a non-Muslim dynasty ruling a kingdom which contains the Two Holy Mosques. The Margraves allow religious freedoms but they've also enshrined in law that Mecca and the Old City of Medina are off-limits to non-Muslims, plus the governors of the regions containing Mecca and Medina have to be Muslim as well. So while they've done pretty much everything they possibly can to respect the status of Mecca and Medina, they ensure that the Hajj takes place in safety, and the fact that they liberated the Arabian Peninsula from the dominance of a Crusader-esque Catholic kingdom, there is obviously still a possibility that other Muslim nations might not be entirely appreciative of the Margraves.

Either way, it would be awesome to see a non-colonial African nation because at the moment all claimed African territory is in the hands of non-African nations

Well I felt that with a smaller claim I would be able to focus more on a limited area and be able to develop much more detailed and intricate societies for rp, going into various movements and groups ect. Although now that I have done a bit more reading and mulled it over I may expand my claim to the whole of Tanzania (minus Chrins's islands), Rwanda and Burundi.

Sounds like some good ideas. Definitely Daresalam would want Marimaian investment, and given the close proximity of our two nations, Marimaian corporations could have a major presence in Daresalam's various economic sectors, no doubt the capital could also boast a sizable Marimaian business community as well. Economic influence would also come with cultural clout as well, Marimaian tv shows and consumer products could have a major market in Daresalam (although probably restricted to the small upper and middle class as the rest would be to poor to afford such goods) and I have no doubt there would be a plethora of cultural associations especially due to historical Daresalami ties to the Arabian peninsula. Daresalam may also seek to recruit Arabs to serve in its armed forces as well, probably those tribes and clans it has connections with. I hadn't thought about the possibility of foreign workers but that does sound like a good idea as Daresalam would be able to provide plenty.

As for the religious issues, that is an important bone of contention. For a regime that is focused on its own survival however, the Malik is unlikely to criticise the Marimaians given the importance of the Margrave's money. Thus, the Margraves could probably count on at least one Muslim regime to not overtly condemn it and probably give it recognition. Opposition groups within the country would no doubt seize upon this position however to further criticize the Malik's government. I shall have to read your factbook's history to get a glimpse of Marimaia's history and maybe find some other possible historical interactions.

Huh, welcome back!

Looks a reasonable claim to me, and as Mari says, we could do with some independent African states.

No doubt Chrin will be annoyed by the claiming of less than a complete primary sub-division, but from what I can tell it's a pretty straight-forward snip through the waist of Morogoro, and the only bit of Pwani missing is the island already claimed by the colonials, eh? Looks reasonable on the map, if I'm reading it right.

Needless to say, Daresalam would be on the Commonwealth's hit-list, though of course the various colonies are higher priority.

Cheers!, Yeah Daresalam would probably have a very dim view of the Commonwealth, their could probably be a revolutionary group in exile in Geletia and possible funding for various rebel factions hiding in the remote areas of Daresalam, especially with an expanded claim.

*le snip*.

Well, I see nothing to object to apart from having such a small part of Tanzania.... or making me work with borders not on the map As far as history and Britain, particularly Oman and Zanzibar, whatever you need you can have. Much of British history hasn't been written yet, so this will help fill in some gaps. Definitely not a problem. All in all you got my support and my gentle nudge to claim a bit more if you want to.

I have to just figure out how Britain and Chrinthania feel about your country.

Separately, as far as Britain goes, I want to formally add Sri Lanka. That plus what Britain has (including the pivot that will be mapped later tonight) would bring her population to somewhere in the neighborhood of 198 million, if there's no objection.

EDIT:

This is what the new map looks like without my potential addition or Kongo's new claim: https://i.imgur.com/0WDF0Bt.png

Yeah well I will expand my claim to all of Tanzania (minus your own claims), Rwanda Burundi. Thanks on the history thing, that will play a pretty big role for Daresalam. As for possible British and Chrinthania relations, for Britain on the one hand, they would probably appreciate a reactionary regime on the African contintent that would try to back any anti colonial movemetns, and Daresalam could certainly provide a tax haven for more shady British officials and companies. Of course this might also sour relations between the two, that and possible Black market trade between Daresalam and British colonies that a protectionist state would approve. The Malik would also seek to recruit amongst Arabs in Oman and Zanzibar for the armed forces given they would be the closest tribal kin to himself, although whether the British government would permit this would be another matter. Also the proximity of the British held islands and the Daresalami mainland could create disputes over maritime boundaries and access to offshore gas deposits.

Chrinthania I'm less sure about. Certainly Daresalam would be happy to advertise themselves as good place to invest in, although the Chrinthani might have reservations about the Kingdoms abysmal human rights and political freedoms?

[Chrinthanium]

Certainly seems to be an interesting claim I am curious as to why you've gone with so little of Tanzania because if it were me I would have gone with more of it, but that's just my personal opinion.

From a potential RP point of view, I can see the possibility of both good relations and bad relations between the Kingdom of Daresalam and the Kingdom of Marimaia. The good relations would come from the fact that the Marimaians would certainly want to invest in Daresalam and we would be one of your best customers when it came to agriculture. We also get non-national labour from Britain's African colonies and there could also be Daresalamis who work in the Kingdom of Marimaia, sending money back home; Marimaia's not likely to expose them to any ideas that might prove troublesome for the Malik, as Marimaia is an absolute monarchy. In fact I could see our royal families swapping tips on how to keep our people nice and orderly. We're also kinda leery of Depkazia

The possible bad relations might come from the religious side of things. While fifty-five percent of Marimaians are Muslims (moderate Ibadi to be more precise), there is the question of how the Daresalami might feel about a non-Muslim dynasty ruling a kingdom which contains the Two Holy Mosques. The Margraves allow religious freedoms but they've also enshrined in law that Mecca and the Old City of Medina are off-limits to non-Muslims, plus the governors of the regions containing Mecca and Medina have to be Muslim as well. So while they've done pretty much everything they possibly can to respect the status of Mecca and Medina, they ensure that the Hajj takes place in safety, and the fact that they liberated the Arabian Peninsula from the dominance of a Crusader-esque Catholic kingdom, there is obviously still a possibility that other Muslim nations might not be entirely appreciative of the Margraves.

Either way, it would be awesome to see a non-colonial African nation because at the moment all claimed African territory is in the hands of non-African nations

Well I felt that with a smaller claim I would be able to focus more on a limited area and be able to develop much more detailed and intricate societies for rp, going into various movements and groups ect. Although now that I have done a bit more reading and mulled it over I may expand my claim to the whole of Tanzania (minus Chrins's islands), Rwanda and Burundi.

Sounds like some good ideas. Definitely Daresalam would want Marimaian investment, and given the close proximity of our two nations, Marimaian corporations could have a major presence in Daresalam's various economic sectors, no doubt the capital could also boast a sizable Marimaian business community as well. Economic influence would also come with cultural clout as well, Marimaian tv shows and consumer products could have a major market in Daresalam (although probably restricted to the small upper and middle class as the rest would be to poor to afford such goods) and I have no doubt there would be a plethora of cultural associations especially due to historical Daresalami ties to the Arabian peninsula. Daresalam may also seek to recruit Arabs to serve in its armed forces as well, probably those tribes and clans it has connections with. I hadn't thought about the possibility of foreign workers but that does sound like a good idea as Daresalam would be able to provide plenty.

As for the religious issues, that is an important bone of contention. For a regime that is focused on its own survival however, the Malik is unlikely to criticise the Marimaians given the importance of the Margrave's money. Thus, the Margraves could probably count on at least one Muslim regime to not overtly condemn it and probably give it recognition. Opposition groups within the country would no doubt seize upon this position however to further criticize the Malik's government. I shall have to read your factbook's history to get a glimpse of Marimaia's history and maybe find some other possible historical interactions.

Huh, welcome back!

Looks a reasonable claim to me, and as Mari says, we could do with some independent African states.

No doubt Chrin will be annoyed by the claiming of less than a complete primary sub-division, but from what I can tell it's a pretty straight-forward snip through the waist of Morogoro, and the only bit of Pwani missing is the island already claimed by the colonials, eh? Looks reasonable on the map, if I'm reading it right.

Needless to say, Daresalam would be on the Commonwealth's hit-list, though of course the various colonies are higher priority.

Cheers!, Yeah Daresalam would probably have a very dim view of the Commonwealth, their could probably be a revolutionary group in exile in Geletia and possible funding for various rebel factions hiding in the remote areas of Daresalam, especially with an expanded claim.

Well, I see nothing to object to apart from having such a small part of Tanzania.... or making me work with borders not on the map As far as history and Britain, particularly Oman and Zanzibar, whatever you need you can have. Much of British history hasn't been written yet, so this will help fill in some gaps. Definitely not a problem. All in all you got my support and my gentle nudge to claim a bit more if you want to.

I have to just figure out how Britain and Chrinthania feel about your country.

Separately, as far as Britain goes, I want to formally add Sri Lanka. That plus what Britain has (including the pivot that will be mapped later tonight) would bring her population to somewhere in the neighborhood of 198 million, if there's no objection.

EDIT:

This is what the new map looks like without my potential addition or Kongo's new claim: https://i.imgur.com/0WDF0Bt.png

Yeah well I will expand my claim to all of Tanzania (minus your own claims), Rwanda Burundi. Thanks on the history thing, that will play a pretty big role for Daresalam. As for possible British and Chrinthania relations, for Britain on the one hand, they would probably appreciate a reactionary regime on the African contintent that would try to back any anti colonial movemetns, and Daresalam could certainly provide a tax haven for more shady British officials and companies. Of course this might also sour relations between the two, that and possible Black market trade between Daresalam and British colonies that a protectionist state would approve. The Malik would also seek to recruit amongst Arabs in Oman and Zanzibar for the armed forces given they would be the closest tribal kin to himself, although whether the British government would permit this would be another matter. Also the proximity of the British held islands and the Daresalami mainland could create disputes over maritime boundaries and access to offshore gas deposits.

Chrinthania I'm less sure about. Certainly Daresalam would be happy to advertise themselves as good place to invest in, although the Chrinthani might have reservations about the Kingdoms abysmal human rights and political freedoms?

Last one first...

Chrinthania probably takes a very dim view of you. Considering its stance on social equality and political freedom and whatnot, Daresalam would not be a nation of interest for Chrinthania. You are part of the Indian basin, however. So I assume we do keep relations open between the two.

Britain... would never fight Daresalam for maritime boundaries and off-shore gas rights. We'd never fight because obviously we could overthrow your country in less time than the Falklands War definitely... and maybe less time than the first Gulf War. Britain will probably have one of--if not the--highest military budget in AMW.

As far as history and Britain, I've essentially let people write their own history with Britain as it pertains to that which happens within their own borders within reason. There's no reason to desire to thrust my own version of history onto people. Britain is definitely not as active RP-wise as Chrinthania. It's there, sitting, watching and waiting for you to put a foot wrong then it will thwack you Nah, I just have less desire to rush Britain to completion because I need it to be right, so it's wide open as to what history ultimately gets written. Though, as far as England, Scotland, Wales, and N'orn Ireland, the RL history will be a template from which to work. I know we have the Reformation (mostly because WoS threatened to send me to the scaffold) and we have Fascism later on... and a really awesome national anthem.

[Marimaia]

Well I felt that with a smaller claim I would be able to focus more on a limited area and be able to develop much more detailed and intricate societies for rp, going into various movements and groups ect. Although now that I have done a bit more reading and mulled it over I may expand my claim to the whole of Tanzania (minus Chrins's islands), Rwanda and Burundi.

Sounds like some good ideas. Definitely Daresalam would want Marimaian investment, and given the close proximity of our two nations, Marimaian corporations could have a major presence in Daresalam's various economic sectors, no doubt the capital could also boast a sizable Marimaian business community as well. Economic influence would also come with cultural clout as well, Marimaian tv shows and consumer products could have a major market in Daresalam (although probably restricted to the small upper and middle class as the rest would be to poor to afford such goods) and I have no doubt there would be a plethora of cultural associations especially due to historical Daresalami ties to the Arabian peninsula. Daresalam may also seek to recruit Arabs to serve in its armed forces as well, probably those tribes and clans it has connections with. I hadn't thought about the possibility of foreign workers but that does sound like a good idea as Daresalam would be able to provide plenty.

As for the religious issues, that is an important bone of contention. For a regime that is focused on its own survival however, the Malik is unlikely to criticise the Marimaians given the importance of the Margrave's money. Thus, the Margraves could probably count on at least one Muslim regime to not overtly condemn it and probably give it recognition. Opposition groups within the country would no doubt seize upon this position however to further criticize the Malik's government. I shall have to read your factbook's history to get a glimpse of Marimaia's history and maybe find some other possible historical interactions.

Sounds good to me. My factbook's history isn't exactly in-depth at the moment so if there are any historical interactions you'd like to work out then it should be easy to handle

I think that the Margraves could also send some 'foreign aid money' in the direction of the Daresalami armed forces, considering that the Malik's government is infinitely preferable to them than any alternative (only if you're interested, obviously). All of the major corporations in Marimaia are owned by the Margraves or one of the major tribes which allied with them during the kingdom's founding and subsequent expansion, so Marimaian investors will have a good understanding about the importance of tribal networks and the like (the Margraves have been in the Arabian Peninsula since 1915 so they've learned about these things over the years).