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by Beddgelert » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:20 pm
by Chrinthanium » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:06 am
Zentrus wrote:Haha, great, someone else knows about Cybersyn, awesome. Just makes me more confident about my decision to apply to you guys!
by Chrinthanium » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:19 pm
Zentrus wrote:Haha, great, someone else knows about Cybersyn, awesome. Just makes me more confident about my decision to apply to you guys!
by Chrinthanium » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:46 pm
by Roania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:03 am
by Chrinthanium » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:21 am
by Roania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:49 am
by Chrinthanium » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:55 am
Roania wrote:The reason behind these claims is that in the 17th century there was a broad continuum of power between the borders of Vietnam and the southern part of the Korean Peninsula. Until late in the 19th century IRL, Korea was effectively an outlying province of Manchurian China.
In my framed alternative history, the Shun dynasty to secure the loyalty of Ming's border generals, rather than alienated them, and drove the Qing out of the Shandong, Korea and Mongolia, then forced them to submit. They also took the time to subjugate the Koreans, since they were there anyway. Why not?
Preceding native dynasties had always attempted to subjugate the Vietnamese, especially in the Northern region. The name 'Annam', which the French later used for the whole state, derived from a Tang name for the territory, which was part of China into the chaos following the collapse of the Song Dynasty. The Song, Yuan and Ming all attempted to regain the territory, and the Ming succeeded for a very brief period of time, but didn't stop trying. It was part of 'all under heaven', and a native dynasty succeeding the Ming would eventually turn its efforts towards securing the frontier, helped by Vietnam's own internal struggles, which in this reality would end up also pulling the Chinese further south into Cham territory.
It actually makes more sense as part of the DaShun than either Tibet or the Manchurian lands, but I was told it's easier to include an entire country when possible.
by Roania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:30 pm
by Marimaia » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:30 pm
Roania wrote:After some thought and some discussion...
My ideas regarding Japan are self-justifying, and really only exist to fill a space on a map so a threatening power can't claim them. It interferes with the possibility of other new players stepping forward. So I don't need it because I would do nothing with it.
Claiming Korea would be nice, but it is by no means essential, and really my ideas for Korea prevent any interaction with the state, which defeats the purpose. I'm happy to leave the peninsula open for more creative people if the group feels it necessary. My imagination prevents the opening of Korea from taking place.
As for other regions...
The only reason I claimed Tibet is because it's part of modern China. If someone else wants Tibet, they can have Tibet. They can have Tibet even if I do claim it.
I claimed the country of Mongolia because part of the Mongolian nation is in China and it makes some sense to reunite them. Not really seeing much there, though there's some amusing thoughts of nomadic hordes running about the place.
Manchuria...same deal, fills a historical vacuum.
I don't particularly want or need East Turkestan/Xinjiang, though I can see the Shun moving in during a period of anarchy to establish order and being stuck.
I need China, as defined as 'the place where Han people and their fellows live', China's Bai Southwest, and I'd like Vietnam. Everything else is super negotiable.
by The Amyclae » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:01 pm
by Dra-pol » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:36 pm
by Chrinthanium » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:45 pm
Dra-pol wrote:I haven't much of an objection to Roania's application, provided it be vampire-free.
When it comes to claiming multiple nations on top of China, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to use RL Chinese territory to host multiple IC sub-nations? That would leave the others up for grabs, and I can't imagine that you were set on a particular population sum, were you? Once you're over a billion, what does it matter?
For example: Whatever Vietnam was going to be to you, let Guangxi fill that niche. What you would have done in Korea, do it in Jilin. And so forth (though perhaps keep Mongolia... it seems unlikely to be claimed otherwise!)
Merely a suggestion, but we aren't so tied to real history... the Drapoel, after all, are an entirely fictional people.
Bonus: you might even get away with your isolationism in part because of the West's burned fingers in Dra-pol, which was pretty hot on their rejection when they showed up over the centuries, and an assumption that they'd get the same next door.
The Amyclae wrote:I'll stick around this time,
The idea is to have eight different nations within the one claim. The headline numbers incorporate modern day Texas, New Mexico, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, Sinaloa, Durango, Yucatan, Quintana Roo and Campeche. I'm posting this all here instead of the Discussion Thread for now because I imagine there might not be many objections to the idea as an idea, even given some of the ambiguities present, so it might be helpful in a time saving sense to get on with getting input to the application itself.
The theme is if I have a few different colors on the map it'll enable me to interact with different players in different contexts. To some extent we already do this historically--Spain fought France in such and such year, Spain allied with Walmington and, finding the crumpets unappetizing, retired from the field even until to the modern day etc etc. Now I will do it in real time in AMW's present. If it all has to be the same color on the map, I'd suggest the title to be something like "Central North America," or another geographic marker.
The primary dynamic is that the region is still full of echoes from an independence movement against Valendia (or anyone who would like to offer as an imperial book end). Instead of the region acquiring independence fully when it did historically, the idea is to push the dates back just enough to extend the timeline into the 1970s. In this we might have echoes of South Africa and other late blooming wars of colonial independence. Instead of Mexico's several civil wars and secession movements occurring in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries, the secession and civil movements occur in the late 20th and early 21st. The separatist movements in this timeline win, given the presence of the Gulf States and the relative lack of counterbalancing stability as occurred historically (Walmington doesn't end up executing the filibusters, there's no centralized government in North America preventing incursions into the South like what happened historically etc).
Filibustering from the Gulf States also makes more than a appearance. Filibustering as in the act of private pro-slavery adventurers, "filibusteros," like in Nicaragua, acquiring the central governmental apparatus and running with it.
The first claim will be Chan Santa Cruz, which is a historical almost-nation from the 1900s. Ethnically Mayan, historically it was the goal of a long insurgency against Mexico City after their original super-federalist constitution was replaced with a more centralized document under Santa Anna (that Santa Anna). Added bonus: weird syncrenistic Mayan and Christian beliefs, melting pot etc etc. It'd be, for now, the precise boundaries of Quintana Roo. Since that name first came to me as the name of Joan Didion's deceased daughter, I'll likely change it later. For now I want to imagine a nation that wrested independence from the central government based on a primarily ethnic impetus, without its sister republic's religious overtones, which is complicated by the fact that right now Mexico City I leave to other players. Right now it's all "Here Be Dragons." If another player comes along I'll hash it out then, but the gist of it is a relatively advanced, powerful nation of indigenous Mayans.
The second claim will be Durango and Sinaloa. Whatever population they do have I'll likely be transferring a portion to the other nations as part of the leeway afforded to players claiming a track of land. The idea right now is a semi-peasant state integrated into Chihuahua, such as the Sami native region is to the rest of Finland. [1] The state will be its own "thing," perhaps we might make comparisons to Somaliland, but less violent; Caprivi Strip in Namibia or maybe Western Sahara these days. Easy environmental comparisons lend themselves here without much effort on my part.
The third claim will be modern day Chihuahua as El Estado Grande de Chihuahua y Tepehuanes--referencing the incorporation of the above styled claim alongside the more populous, wealthy and advanced "central" government in Chihuahua. I see this claim as the most "Hispanic" nation, a middle balance between the purely indigenous nations of the Yucatan and the filibuster regimes in the north. A carve out of centralizing desire and semi-imperialistic do good-er inhabiting a crossroads out of its capital-crossroads in Chihuahua. As I get my borders figured out the capital is likely to move north to El Paso, but that is to be decided on the map maker's abilities. If moving the territories like I imagine cannot happen, then Chihuahua's capital will remain eponymous.
The fourth claim will be the Yucutan Republic, based on modern day Yucuatan and Campeche and arising, like Chan Santa Cruz, from 20th Century separatist movements in that region that advocated for an independent Yucatan. At this point I will also make mention of an French-Algerian impostor dynamic in that to incorporate the Gulf States' Golden Circle fellows I'll incorporate those historic "filibusters" (as in William "the Grey Eyed Man of Destiny" Walker and other pro-slavery private adventurers) influences in the form of a major Gulf State expatriate/Gulf State identifying community. This would hopefully happen with Lusaka's permission of course.
The fifth claim will be Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, with portions of Southern Texas, as the Suttree Republic. In this I will be attempting to smuggle in elements of Ethiopia's involvement in Eritrea and the filibusters of the Gulf States. My idea is that "the Republic" is ostensibly based out of what is now Corpus Christi (though for now would be just as happy with Monterey with the map situation), and going back to the 1900s was a branch/independence movement out of a to-be-decided empire (Valendia?) or central government (Mexico City?) that the filibusters overthrew. Liberal elements of the independence/revolution invited "filibustering" elements from Lubbock (see below) and the Gulf States to assist them in the counter-counter revolution of papist and conservative elements within the country but found themselves at the mercy of the filibusters. The filibusters, in turn, consolidated power and made a lot of uniforms with Golden Circles. Now, the portions of Southern Texas and Nuevo Leon are claiming the relatively barren landscapes of CCoahuila and Tamaulipas with limited success.
The sixth claim will be New Mexico and the Texas pandhandle. This I want to be the regional power, perhaps acting as an anchor to the two less representive (but more progressive?) nations on the Yucatan penisula.
The seventh claim will be Galveston and parts of Houston as a free city. I have no idea what this will be yet, but I wanted to detach this region from the rest of the claim so that there was no clear cut parity.
The eight claim will be northern parts of New Mexico and the Texas panhandle out of Lubbock. I want most of the territory to be a semi-autonomous region vis-a-vis Kurdistan--indigenous populations fighting, mostly effectively, against an enervated government out of Lubbock embroiled in a long war as a proxy landscape for a proxy war between Texas proper and the Suttree Republic (representing their own interests detached from any conservative-liberal/white-brown axis).
I'm posting this all here instead of the Discussion Thread for now because, again, I imagine there might not be many objections to the idea as an idea, even given some of the ambiguities present, so it might be helpful in a time saving sense to get on with getting input to the application itself and slotting members of the community into whatever aspects of the application the community finds credible.
by Roania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:09 pm
by Dra-pol » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:21 pm
by Roania » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:40 pm
by Dra-pol » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:44 pm
by The Amyclae » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:10 am
Chrinthanium wrote:
I can't help but get happy to have Max back. I really am thrilled you're coming back to us. I've always enjoyed your creations and I look forward to the RP opportunities that both you and Roania will bring to AMW.
I also can't help but think just how complicated and/or confusing the idea will be... at least to me. But, AMW isn't about following a set pattern, it's about doing what makes you happy. It is obvious to me that you've put some thought into this so if no one objects, I'm all for it. I'll defer to those already in North America. As far as history, Britain is always willing to add to its ever-increasing tally of erstwhile colonial possessions. As far as map coloring, I can promise I'll do 8 shades of the same color just because there's not really a lot I can do if I use 8 colors, considering three of them border you or are near you already and there's truly only certain colors that look good on the map.
Speaking of colors, I'm going to be revamping the map and some colors may change. This is just for a better aesthetic to the map.
by Hashkin » Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:00 pm
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Why would would India need an aircraft carrier? India is an aircraft carrier.
CHNN Minute-by-Minute Report
Geologist team and Sec. Foreign Affairs Michael Dewey, who were sent to Greater Goverwal, are reported missing. Searches are being conducted.
Chancellor Bakker landmark bill facing backlash from Egaltarian Party. "It's a travesty, this bill will hurt thousands"- House Majortity Leader Finn Randall.
by Chrinthanium » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:06 pm
Hashkin wrote:can I claim Germany, Rest of Denmark, Benelux, austria, madagascar, and Mozambique
(I was think that maybe Germany didn't ally with austria and survives ww1)
by Hashkin » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:34 pm
Chrinthanium wrote:Hashkin wrote:can I claim Germany, Rest of Denmark, Benelux, austria, madagascar, and Mozambique
(I was think that maybe Germany didn't ally with austria and survives ww1)
As I stated in the discussion thread, best to read the first post in this thread to see what we're looking for and how to submit an application.
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Why would would India need an aircraft carrier? India is an aircraft carrier.
CHNN Minute-by-Minute Report
Geologist team and Sec. Foreign Affairs Michael Dewey, who were sent to Greater Goverwal, are reported missing. Searches are being conducted.
Chancellor Bakker landmark bill facing backlash from Egaltarian Party. "It's a travesty, this bill will hurt thousands"- House Majortity Leader Finn Randall.
by Chrinthanium » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:39 pm
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