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[Depkazia]

Chingiz prevails because he alone is rightly guided and because he alone on earth inspires genuine devotion from the righteous, obviously.

And more specifically because the Sovyet rose in some isolation from your proposed state, within a then still partially extant Shieldian Empire but to Depkazia just across a largely unmilitarised sea. Chingiz got there first, and Chingiz acted decisively.

As to the wider conflict in Gallaga, well, Chingiz deployed airborne troops ahead of the Byzantine/your-lot advance so as to prevent significant progress in Gallaga without starting a shooting war, and they decided against starting a full-scale war given that a large portion of the Gallagan population appeared to be comparatively enthusiastic about the arrival of the Depkazis with whom they shared both Turkic and Islamic identities. Presumably the Gallagan Ghazis who were shooting at the Byzantines now instead shoot at your boys and with even more gusto given that these infidels are in occupation of much of the Holy Land- it's not just foreign infidels invading our land, it's foreign infidels who're occupying the Noble Sanctuary. Socialism won't -unfortunately- mean much to a largely uneducated population that's primarily focused on national and religious liberation and being plied with plenty of economic aid from a liberator of the same ethnicity and religion.

So, in short, I don't see a big problem in the field of AMW history so far as this application goes!

[Chrinthanium]

After a 15 hour shift driving a cab in small beach town America, I'm far too tired to give the application a serious read-through, Chemaki. This being said, I will advise caution in simply taking a claim to fill in a void left by the loss of a missing member. As someone who gave that a try for a brief period, you wind up realizing that you aren't running your idea, but your idea of someone else's idea tweaked to fit a history you think is lacking. An idea changed so it doesn't exactly resemble what once was, but that fills the same historical place for whatever historical events seem to be missing/needed.

Hell, I've spent most of my time in AMW sitting on claims that were roughly what I wanted or some part of what I was thinking about and then dropped them to chase down another idea. I've interrupted the history of several members of AMW in so doing. It took a while, but tweaking and shifting did help me to nail down some core facets of Chrinthani culture and create a nation and a people that work for me. I realized that after I shifted from the Western Roman Empire into the Spanish Empire-like nation. Then I figured out I wanted to run both separately, so now I do and now I think there's no reason to give up what I have or shift again because the ideas, albeit not original as AMW nations go, actually fulfill my desires as a player and not the historical holes in AMW canon. Players and claims come and go, activity levels rise and fall like the North Sea tide during a storm, and AMW still manages to muddle through somehow.

So (and I am not saying this without at least glancing through your application), if you think this is what AMW needs to retain some AMW historical points that you think AMW is lacking, and this isn't something that really speaks to your desires as a player, then I'd rather you work out another claim as I said above. If this is something you can truly see yourself settling in on and putting in the RP effort to make it work, then I really won't stand in your way even a little bit.

[Chemaki]

Chingiz prevails because he alone is rightly guided and because he alone on earth inspires genuine devotion from the righteous, obviously.

And more specifically because the Sovyet rose in some isolation from your proposed state, within a then still partially extant Shieldian Empire but to Depkazia just across a largely unmilitarised sea. Chingiz got there first, and Chingiz acted decisively.

As to the wider conflict in Gallaga, well, Chingiz deployed airborne troops ahead of the Byzantine/your-lot advance so as to prevent significant progress in Gallaga without starting a shooting war, and they decided against starting a full-scale war given that a large portion of the Gallagan population appeared to be comparatively enthusiastic about the arrival of the Depkazis with whom they shared both Turkic and Islamic identities. Presumably the Gallagan Ghazis who were shooting at the Byzantines now instead shoot at your boys and with even more gusto given that these infidels are in occupation of much of the Holy Land- it's not just foreign infidels invading our land, it's foreign infidels who're occupying the Noble Sanctuary. Socialism won't -unfortunately- mean much to a largely uneducated population that's primarily focused on national and religious liberation and being plied with plenty of economic aid from a liberator of the same ethnicity and religion.

So, in short, I don't see a big problem in the field of AMW history so far as this application goes!

Ah, no issues then - that's just a lack of understanding on my part! If the Hajji Tarkhan Sovyet is more an experiment for a few radicals than the widespread independence movement I assumed it to originally be, and the overwhelming majority of the population are pro-Chingiz (or at least appear to be) then the reasons to commit to supporting them beyond giving their members asylum really boils down to nil. The situation in the south may be somewhat more heated, however, with Rumyak laying claims eastward towards the Sevan Lake, either to protect a minority of Armenians/Caucasian Slavs or to restore part of what is viewed as Rumyak's 'lost heartland', but without significant international support I doubt the PLF would dare to launch an assault on a resolute Gallaga supported by Depkazia paratroopers.

Perhaps the region of 'Byzantine' Gallaga could be incorporated to my history as regions of Gallagan Slavs that were incorporated as satellites to help keep Chingiz at arm's length, a precarious buffer zone to prevent a conflict which the PLF would feel compelled to commit fully to, Scuds and all, and the skirmishes at the moment are mostly between Ghazis and Slavic militias, or rather fittingly, involving Russian-style 'little green men', plenty of misinformation on Rumyak's behalf and a headache for Chingiz.

[Depkazia]

Well, it's not always that Gallagans love Chingiz, but they can identify with him to no small degree and are aware of his reputation as the man who lead the Depkazis to liberation from the Shield, so maybe he can do the same for them. And they'd rather live under the influence of a Muslim Turk than go it alone and risk being over-run by foreign infidels immediately after casting off generations of rule by... other foreign infidels.

The Sovyet was in part instigated by Gandvian and Depkazi radicals and mutineers, and nominally administered a population a little above two million on a coastal strip along the western Caspian. There was genuine interest in the ideas spoken of by the mutineers from some people, while others no doubt dismissed it as more white foreign nonsense ...and anyway we're all more interested in this national liberation to start talking about class divisions amongst ourselves.

I'm fine with former Byzantine-held Gallaga going to your lot, though Chingiz will probably be doing his best to sabotage it and support whatever Turks and/or Muslims live there against foreign rule.

[Chrinthanium]

It's only a matter of time before the headline "Chingiz Conquered Gallaga" will be splayed across the AMW landscape. Congratulations, Chemaki, you finally gave Chingiz the reason to invade

[Pierhia]

Hey guys do you have a map of territories not yet claimed?

[Councordia]

Any chance I could re apply?

[Chrinthanium]

You can always reapply. There is a map of current claims (which needs a tweaking) on the first page of this thread in the second post.

[Councordia]

Nation Name: The Kingdom of Councordia
Population: (depends on area, right?)
Languages: Latin, German, English
Ideal location: Somewhere in the Alps. Central Europe would be nice. I understand Switzerland is already taken.
Government: Coucordia is a Constitutional monarchy. The Sautter dynasty has beneficently ruled the country since the War of Liberation in 1500. The Parliament Abgeordnetenhaus is officially charged with passing laws, levying taxes, and representing the needs of the people to the King, while the monarchy takes on more executive roles such as waging war, managing the armed forces (through a series of intermediate bureaucracies), and appointing the High Justices to the country's judiciary.

History: the region that is now Councordia was populated by Germanic and Nordic tribes for most of its early history. Intertribal warfare between the four most powerful tribes, the Helvetii, the Regii, the Iunii and the Teutonii was rife. Roman (?) occupation had a unifying and civilizing influence on the nation, and it became part of the Holy Roman Empire after the fall of the Roman empire. The Reformation, however, spread Lutheranism through Councordia like wildfire, and the noble houses resisted Catholic and Imperial attempts to root out the 'heresy'. This led to the War of Liberation, in which Councordian interests finally triumphed, and the House Sautter took the throne in the newly founded city of Konigsberg.

Culture: Councordian culture is deeply religious, fiercely independent, and very egalitarian. The monarchy is respected and loved, but outward signs of obeisance are rare. Indeed, the only symbol of royalty adopted by the monarchy is a slim golden circlet. Lutheranism is an essential part of Councordian identity, although it has avoided the stagnation that often accompanies such status. Councordians are family-oriented, and heads of households are expected to provide for their own, remain married, employed, and working. Welfare programs do exist for legitimate need, but 'freeloaders' are culturally unacceptable and very stigmatized. Outdoor activity, especially the biathlon (skiing and shooting) is a hallmark of Councordian lifestyle, both for city dwellers and country dwellers.

Economy: The Councordian economy centers around mining, which is conducted with environmental concerns very much in mind, and the production and exportation of military technologies, especially in aviation. Ranching and farming in Councordia make it nearly self-sufficient, but the nation does import fossil fuel and some foodstuffs.

Military: The Councordian military prides itself on its special operations groups and its state-of-the-art airforce. Uniquely, the airforce deploys the Adler SWJC (Swivel-wing Jet-craft) as its workhorse for transport, strikes, and combat. (see factbook) The Mountaineers are the hallmark special operations group, trained in survival, wilderness and mountain combat, sabotage, and infiltration. All male Councordians must perform a year of service in the military upon turning 18. They are expected to maintain their service rifle upon the end of their term, and will train once every three years until their fiftieth birthday.

[Amerique]

I recall Cassanos was very reluctant to expand into Bavaria so, pending his approval, I see no reason why you can't place your small Alpine kingdom there. You'd have to ask Beddgelert if you're interested in Austria, however.

[Councordia]

Bavaria should do well. The population is perfect.

EDIT: would anyone want to cede me a coastal town/region as a base of operations for my navy?

[Beddgelert]

Looks worthwhile, though of course the question of whether we can fit it in may be down to Cassanos' feelings on giving up or swapping some territory. He could take Schleswig-Holstein and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern in compensation, perhaps. I'm unsure whether he'd want to give up all of Bavaria, though... Swabia's one of the Federation's core components, isn't it? Possibly just Upper and Lower Bavaria?

I think I remember some of the original military kit from last time, and I don't think my scepticism has been relieved at all. If the CSR ever came up against it in combat I'm afraid I'd treat the Adler SWJC as vastly inferior to dedicated fighters, transports, and attackers in each respective role. Similarly, I can't see that sniper rifle faring too well up against the broad side of a barn.

But those are relatively minor IC issues. On the question of a port, perhaps we could work something out in the former Tsalland. Perhaps one of the Croatian ports could have been leased or ceded to Councordia or the Councordian crown or such like in recognition of Councordian help during one or more of the Geletian Crusades. In my history, Druidic Geletia faced many Crusades through history, usually repulsing them, though it could be that at one time the Geletians occupied all or part of Tsalland and were driven out by a more successful Crusade, perhaps one in which Councordians played a particularly significant part, or even one sponsored by the Councordian king. That's all I can think of off hand, anyway. Something small like the island of Krk wouldn't make much of an impact on Ionia, while on the other hand something bigger like Split or Rijeka could help compensate slightly for the limited population of Councordia if Cass isn't up for giving away the whole of Bavaria.

[Councordia]

Thanks Beddgelert. The SWJC's were/are a bit of an experiment, largely because I wanted to incorporate some PMT elements in my nation-building. I'm up for alternatives.

The bolt action is actually designed to be a straight-pull scout rifle, concomitant with Councordian firearms tradition of preferring the quicker straight-pull rifle to the more traditional style. I've handled weapons similar in design and they are accurate and handy...though I'm no expert.

[Beddgelert]

Fair enough. I mean, it's not important... IC we can probably assume that Councordia is probably quite capable of building precision rifles, even if I think the configuration of the offered pictures looks a bit iffy (awkwardly stubby and scope probably a bit far forward and far from the eye?). It's not like I'm going to vote against an application because I personally am not entirely convince by a couple of its military designs!
Side note, Geletia was all about the straight-pull rifles (Mannlichers) for about fifty years!

Generally, if anything, AMW is a couple of years behind the real world in terms of technology, which IC I think we attribute to a lower level of international co-operation and cohesion (we've only had one world war and maybe need a second to teach everyone the value of getting along!) and a lack of true super-powers, and OOC I think is because we don't all want to always be reading up on the latest scientific papers in every conceivable field.
Having said that, I think WoS uses an abandoned British Cold War era project for a VTOL transport aircraft, so there's some precedent for that! A mach-2 fighter a fraction the size is still going to blast it out of the sky if it tries to fight, like

[Chrinthanium]

Well, the real issue with the claim is every portion of the Alps is claimed by another player. Europe is just rather full up barring Scandinavia and a small part of Germany. Certainly there are people willing to compromise, but Bavaria is part of Italy and Nibelunc, so I don't know what to say about it. Considering both players are rather in and out, I'd not get my hopes up on it. If you are dead set on Europe, why not nab what is open? Otherwise, there's plenty of room in South America, Africa, Asia, and even part of North America is free.

[Walmington on Sea]

Yes, would parts of Norway and Sweden work? Try to find a slice that includes some of the Scandinavian Mountains and some viable agricultural land, along with a reasonable population? It should work culturally, given the presence of Nibelunc, Britain, Amberland, and the Shield in the surrounds. Split Scandinavia with Gandvik who was talking about re-annexing it, perhaps.

I think that the Gotaland and Svealand regions of Sweden and the Eastern, Southern, and Western regions of Norway would give about the desired population along with mountains in the west, rolling hills and heavy forests in the middle and north-east, and some farmland in the south and south-east, if I'm not completely ignorant about Scandinavian geography ((nervous cough)). Gandvik could swallow-up the frozen, little-peopled regions to the north and you'd both get a new neighbour. And there'd be no need for an isolated port cut-off from the mainland.

Edit: A quick look on Wikipedia suggests a population of 12,028,214 for the regions I've just listed, though those figures are a few years old so the total is probably a little higher today. Seems pretty close to the target!

[Chrinthanium]

TCB, what is the status of Anahuac? I know you were wondering if it should be/shouldn't be around. Any idea what you're doing with it?

[AMW Applications]

AMW Claims Map 10.1: UPDATED (Link: http://i.imgur.com/Xyqcf18.png)
AMW "Real View" Map: OUTDATED

As of 23 August 2015 at 23:19 US EDT (03:19 UTC 24 August 2015)

The following claims have been added to the map:

Lusaka
Rumyak

The following claims have been removed from the map:

TUGS (switched to Lusaka)
Federated Islamic States (switched to Rumyak)
Argentia (player dropped claim)
Japan (player CTE'd)

There are also 2 pending claims which are not on the map. There is a problem with Cyprus, which was claimed by Chemaki for Rumyak back earlier this month. There is also a pending claim by a new applicant for the same landmass. The situation must be resolved for the map to reflect who owns Cyprus.

[Councordia]

Yes, would parts of Norway and Sweden work? Try to find a slice that includes some of the Scandinavian Mountains and some viable agricultural land, along with a reasonable population? It should work culturally, given the presence of Nibelunc, Britain, Amberland, and the Shield in the surrounds. Split Scandinavia with Gandvik who was talking about re-annexing it, perhaps.

I think that the Gotaland and Svealand regions of Sweden and the Eastern, Southern, and Western regions of Norway would give about the desired population along with mountains in the west, rolling hills and heavy forests in the middle and north-east, and some farmland in the south and south-east, if I'm not completely ignorant about Scandinavian geography ((nervous cough)). Gandvik could swallow-up the frozen, little-peopled regions to the north and you'd both get a new neighbour. And there'd be no need for an isolated port cut-off from the mainland.

Edit: A quick look on Wikipedia suggests a population of 12,028,214 for the regions I've just listed, though those figures are a few years old so the total is probably a little higher today. Seems pretty close to the target!

yes. This. Win. I'll get on that.

EDIT

I would like to claim all of Norway, with the exception of the six northern counties of Sweden as marked on the map. These will be the territories of Councordia from henceforth and forevermore.

[The Crooked Beat]

Might as well say, to begin with, that I have no problem with Councordia's claiming what is left of Norway plus Sweden, though I would ask, is there any particular reason why the northern-most six counties of Sweden aren't appealing? They'd make the map look a little strange, I think, tacked onto Gandvik, which is what I'd be tempted to do if they weren't part of Councordia. Then again, I suppose there are any number of ways to explain that. As for Norway, does the claim include Finnmark, which is currently part of Gandvik, albeit far from an essential part?

As for Anahuac, eh, well, I guess, unless anyone's still very interested in what is going on there, it might be best just to wrap that side of things up. Have a few other ideas brewing, maybe none of them especially good, but ideas nonetheless!

[Walmington on Sea]

The claim doesn't go within a few hundred miles of Finnmark, TCB. Councordia doesn't go much north of a line drawn from Åland, I think! Gulf of Bothnia is pretty much entirely Gandvian in this proposal.

Edit: ah, may have missed that edit. I'm blaming the bank holiday weekend.

[Walmington on Sea]

Presumably the Gandvians easily conquered Scandinavia until they reached the bit where people actually live and Councordia put up a fight.

[Chrinthanium]

Might as well say, to begin with, that I have no problem with Councordia's claiming what is left of Norway plus Sweden, though I would ask, is there any particular reason why the northern-most six counties of Sweden aren't appealing? They'd make the map look a little strange, I think, tacked onto Gandvik, which is what I'd be tempted to do if they weren't part of Councordia. Then again, I suppose there are any number of ways to explain that. As for Norway, does the claim include Finnmark, which is currently part of Gandvik, albeit far from an essential part?

As for Anahuac, eh, well, I guess, unless anyone's still very interested in what is going on there, it might be best just to wrap that side of things up. Have a few other ideas brewing, maybe none of them especially good, but ideas nonetheless!

Well, I was just wondering if it still should remain on the map. As far as its internal issues, they're far too removed from Iberia to give the Iberians anyone to care. As far as Chrinthania, well, while it is a nation in the Americas, it is probably viewed as nothing to worry about since it doesn't border, or influence for that matter, anything down in South America.

It is interest, though, from a personal standpoint

The claim doesn't go within a few hundred miles of Finnmark, TCB. Councordia doesn't go much north of a line drawn from Åland, I think! Gulf of Bothnia is pretty much entirely Gandvian in this proposal.

A Gandvian expansion? That's something new!

Also, this is roughly what the maps tell me should be the claim:

Presumably the Gandvians easily conquered Scandinavia until they reached the bit where people actually live and Councordia put up a fight.

Perhaps the thought of absorbing the teams in the Tipperligaen and Allsvenskan was too much, so Gandvik stopped.

[Councordia]

I'm not sure if that allows me to have enough mountainous terrain...Councourdia is a mountain culture. I'll consult the terrain maps. Otherwise, I think it's ok.

[The Crooked Beat]

While there's definitely nothing in Scandinavia to quite compare with the Alps, it looks like the claim as it's outlined should have a fair bit of mountainous terrain. Definitely the southern mass of Norway is fairly hilly and rugged, if still a far cry from Switzerland, and then of course you've got a coastline that probably makes up with sheer irregularity for what it might lack in Alpine altitudes. Finnmark is only that little northernmost chunk of Norway, mostly hilly tundra, so whether it is or isn't part of the nation might not make a huge difference to the overall landscape picture, unless of course that particular brand of Polar climate is sought as well.

In terms of exact borders, I suppose Gandvik really is big enough, and a couple million people (or less? too lazy to look up population figures at the moment) aren't going to change the balance of power, so I am perfectly fine with whatever's decided regarding Councordia's exact borders. If I'm not mistaken, though, the lion's share of Swedish iron ore is in the northern part of the country, Kiruna I think having a sizable mine, so if Councordia is supposed to earn a sizable chunk of its national wealth by that means it might be something to think about. Both places for sure have strong bases for metallurgy and manufacturing industries, particularly defense-related, and while if I'm being honest I can't see even a super-Sweden pursuing a jet-powered Osprey, considering all the trouble even number-one-power USA encountered in developing the thing, I suppose both the Osprey and the various Dornier projects suggest that the concept is at least feasible, even more so if we also have the AW.681 in AMW.

History and foreign relations is another kettle of fish, and I won't jump into that one unbidden (for a change! )