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Chemaki
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Postby Chemaki » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:18 pm

Ferkas wrote:I'd just like to take a moment to voice my refusal to all the recent claims. ;)



Ferkas, you party pooper!
*Sigh*... Oh well, better ready the nukes. I wonder if Iorcas could do with an Arab colony. :)

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National Socialist City of Cologne
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Postby National Socialist City of Cologne » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:51 pm

Chemaki wrote:
Ferkas wrote:I'd just like to take a moment to voice my refusal to all the recent claims. ;)



Ferkas, you party pooper!
*Sigh*... Oh well, better ready the nukes. I wonder if Iorcas could do with an Arab colony. :)


...But Ferkas has nukes of his own, now.. *What have I done*

In any regard, for what it's worth, I'm okay with the claim, so a "Да!" from me.

...Wait..
Colognea speaks German with Cyrillic.. "Я!"?


...I really should try to understand my country.

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Postby Ferkas » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:05 pm

National Socialist City of Cologne wrote:
Chemaki wrote:

Ferkas, you party pooper!
*Sigh*... Oh well, better ready the nukes. I wonder if Iorcas could do with an Arab colony. :)


...But Ferkas has nukes of his own, now.. *What have I done*

In any regard, for what it's worth, I'm okay with the claim, so a "Да!" from me.

...Wait..
Colognea speaks German with Cyrillic.. "Я!"?

You've created a monster, that's what you've done. :twisted:

...I really should try to understand my country.
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The Amyclae
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Postby The Amyclae » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:34 pm

My country only exists in my mind so far... So, yeah, you're not alone in that sense.
Call me Ishmael.

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Postby MAZG » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:37 pm

Nova Gaul wrote:*prods*



I don't understand this
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"Hi"
"I'm eager to pursue Peace"

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Postby The Amyclae » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:54 pm

MAZG wrote:
Nova Gaul wrote:*prods*



I don't understand this


K.
Call me Ishmael.

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Postby Hibernordia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:20 am

MAZG wrote:
Nova Gaul wrote:*prods*

I don't understand this

Ano raw?

*shamelessly kicks the thread back up again*

Anyway, no objections to anything, aside from the usual warning, Don't mess with the Hibernordians. ;)
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Postby National Socialist City of Cologne » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:58 pm

...I'm not sure where to start this, or whether this is actually appropriate of me, but I'm going for it nonetheless in light of having nobody on the IRC to ask;

I'm unhappy with the current state of event of Colognea, although I'm certainly not thinking of leaving. Over the past few weeks (Has it been weeks already? Time flies..), I've grown to love AMW.
However, I can't say I'm happy with the state of events that include Oceania/South-East Asia. There's not much for Colognea there, as real-life Australia would also be dependent mostly on China and Japan- Both of which do not exist in AMW, I'm giving it a go of extending/renewing/adjusting my claim.

Shocking new claim:
http://i.imgur.com/QFPjzOn.png

I am aware that this might be controversial and/or unheard of, so I'll elaborate my point more as I don't mean to 'carve out' anything or gain any significant advantage other than being in an area where there's most likely more happening.

Statistics (For those who don't know Siberia)
~31 million people. (This would put the total at 53 million people, a claim that's in my mind pretty okay-ish, population-wise.)
~13.1 million square kilometres (This would put the total at 20.8 million square kilometers. This is more a disadvantage than anything in my mind, as the total of 53 milion people and limited resources would have to cover all of that..)
~Extraordinarily rich in natural resources;

I am very much willing to be a defeatist in terms of the natural resources; I mean, if I didn't, I'd practically have a GDP that surpassed everything, and I don't <want> to be that person.
Let's for simplistic measures say that the total GDP would be ~400 billion, this would put the GDP per capita at around 13,000. (In reality, Siberia is probably the main GDP maker for the Russian Federation, as it holds almost all the natural resources, yet just 20% of Russia's total population.)

I'll list my four main reasons for wanting to make this adjustment;

-Events. Australia/Colognea is in the middle of nowhere, and will unlikely be seeing any major events unless the Tsaritsa goes crazy and declares war upon everything and everyone, but that's not the roleplay I'm looking for, really.

-Population. At just 22 million people, Australia/Colognea alone will not have a very viable lifespan as a Fascist nation. Alone, I'm a pushover, and whilst I do like to make allies (I'm looking at you, Ferkas/Arabia), I'd like to have a little more 'umpf' when I make an IC statement. (Not be looked at as if I'm AMW's North Korea..)

-History/Lore-related. Colognea would have been settled by the people of Siberia a few centuries ago. It'll also be the perfect place for me to find pictures of, as it's impossible to find cyrillic-text in Australia. I'm an addict of making very immersive and extensive posts when I get around to it, and I'd like to have the opportunity of providing posts in which there's a landscape where the only alphabet is Cyrillic. It's more immersive. And, history related, the Slavs would have the perfect home in Siberia, making it a little easier explaining the origins of the Germano-Slavs in Colognea.

-Technology. I read several posts back that technology is also location-related, which would make it impossible for Colognea to actually own nuclear weaponry, or any Fascist-esque army, for that matter. (Having domestically produced weaponry, promoting nationalism and stuff.), as Australia isn't very well known for that. This would make it possible for me to have a Soviet/Russian technology base, although use it towards the Fascist goals of Colognea.


Again, I do not mean to 'carve' anything out, and I'm open to more concessions if this addition to my claim is actually permitted. In any case, yeah, I'll concede a lot if needed, if it's for the sake of making it vastly more fun from my point of view and hopefully for others aswell. (Having a Fascist state in the Far East is clearly very fun. Because she'd still be a pushover with that 53-million population encompassing such a large area.)


Anyway, if this isn't allowed and not even allowed to be discussed, I'll delete this post upon notice thereof.
(My apologies if that's the case!)

EDIT#1: I'm also willing to negotiate my use of violet-pink as the colour of my claim, although I would enjoy it if it were respected. (...It's a gorgeous colour :x )

EDIT#2: Going to make this post more extensive by writing up a short history, just for the sake of showing that I've thought this through quite extensively.
National Socialist City of Cologne wrote:Nation Name: The 7th (Seventh) Tsardom of Colognea
Establishment: Between 317 and 321 AD as the First Ros' Tsardom.
Title of Monarch: Tsaritsa (name) by Divine Right of the Cologneas (Plural; Both the Tsardom of Snegblazhenstva and Blagodat' are referred to as 'One Colognea', although their distance did not render them to be an extension of Snegblazhenstva; Instead, a seperate Tsardom was established, and both Tsardoms are a part of the collective Tsardom of Colognea)
Additional notes: Created the Tsardom of Blagodat' (Australia) in 1868; The Tsardoms of Snegblazhenstva and Blagodat' make up the Tsardom of Colognea.
Monarch: Tsaritsa Xsynthia von Köln
Form of Government: Absolute (Fascist) Monarchy
Languages spoken: Russian, German (In Blagodat' (Australia) only.)
Official alphabet: Cyrillic

Population: 51,371,577 (Give or take a million.. It's hard to determine the true population of Siberia. ><)
GDP: $1.371 trillion
GDP per Capita: 26,687
GDP (PPP) per Capita: 21,259

History~

Not much is known about the beginnings or the establishment of the First Ros' Tsardom. In fact, it is believed that the people of Snegblazhenstva were among the last civilized people to start writing about politics. While in Europe and Asia alphabets were already in use, it seems that it would be up until the early 9th century that the first Ros' people would adopt an alphabet on their own. Drawn from influences of Byzantine Greek origins, the first alphabet that came into existance was the Glagolitic alphabet. This however proved to be too difficult for the simple people of Snegblazhenstva, and by the end of the 9th century, the Early Cyrillic script had been created.
Known writings after the establishment of the Early Cyrillic script are vast, however, coinciding with the invention of 'vodka', most of these writings tell of this new, miraculous beverage, and the means on how to obtain your own flask of it..

Early the 11th Century AD, it seems that the century-long state of disarray and excessive alcohol consumption dropped slightly, as more and more useful documentation is found after this period.

There are, however, several gaps in the history, presumably periods of foreign occupation or periods of trouble, as the people of Snegblazhenstva have for their entire known existance not truely trusted the intelligentsia; The historians, the writers. The historians speak of great purges in the land of Snegblazhenstva known as "ochistka/очистка" domestially; This roughly translates to 'Purification'.

"War" is a word that is common in the Tsardom of Colognea. The word having been branded upon the common folk of the land of Snegblazhenstva, figuratively speaking. At the peak of its power, historians estimate that Snegblazhenstva was once home to over 10% of the world's population, but it was not to remain so. [[NOTE: If Gandvik agrees, I'd like a history that incorporates Fenno invasion of Snegblazhenstva somewhere, centuries ago. It would not have a big effect on the current political grudges, but serve more as a clause for the existance of Colognea, that it was once a major power in the East of Europe, but was pushed East of the Urals, where Gandvik would cease to invade because it'd have been too costly, with the cold there.]]

NOTE #2: I am unable to write a great deal more in regards to the history regarding war as I do not want to claim a history that would interfere with the other nation's histories without discussing with them first.


Colognea spent centuries being the pushover. The go-to country if you wanted to get your nation's populace happy over a victory in an insignificant military campaign.
But Colognea endured. Proving to be too cold for foreign powers to occupy, and with a populace that was belligerent, drunk and strange, the people of Colognea held tight.

Thus, in the early 19th Century, the Cologneans emerged as a renewed country. The 19th Century would later be called the "Great Era", as it was the century that marked the change for Colognea. Starting in the mid-18th century, the Cologneans started to build massive strongholds, and, in respect of their heritage of endurance, they perfected their guerilla tactics in regards to war, it would prove to be that Colognea was there to stay, and that Colognea might even emerge as a significant power in the world.
The early 19th Century saw the completion of the strongholds. Captivated by the resources the Cologneans found all over Snegblazhenstva, Colognea would prove to also emerge as an economic powerhouse. With this new-found power, the Cologneans funded a state-of-the-art Army and navy, and would test the meddle of those who dared toy around with the Land of Snow. With this, the Cologneans of Snegblazhenstva also started something that their European counterparts had already started doing long before; They started colonizing. But this would prove to be no African, no American colony. The Cologneas set their eyes on Oceania, and it would prove to be their most satisfying victory ever. There were other immigrants already there, upon the Cologneans' arrival. But their numbers were not as great, and the immigrants weren't actually military personnel. The Cologneans were. With force, the Cologneans established their dominance over the large desert island in Oceania. And, only fifty years after they set foot there, they would claim it as a part of Colognea. The Tsardom of Blagodat' was born.

The population of Blagodat' spread like wildfire. The Cologneans allowed the Germanic-Europeans to settle it with them, under the condition that they, too, would accept to fight for the Colognean Cause. In light of this largely peaceful cooperation, the Germanic settlers kept their end of the deal; It wasn't after the discovery of one of the world's largest deposits of gold that foreign nations were setting their eyes on the land. But the Germano-Slavs of Blagodat', and the Slavs of Snegblazhenstva would prove to keep their ground; That they were there to stay.

The 20th Century would prove to be largely uneventful for Colognea. Almost too uneventful. With the rise of Fascist sentiment in the early 20th century, but with no numbers to support expansion, Colognea slowly slipped into an isolationist existance. Advancements in all fields were slow, and today, in the 21st century, it is an accepted fact that whilst Colognea has the resources to economically dominate, She does not hold the means to do so.

With the ascension of Xsynthia, the Tsardom's first female Monarch, however, it seems as if Colognea might break out of the isolationist spell. With a controversial deal already made with Arabia, it seems as if Colognea is finally turning itself against those who would have previously dreamed of conquering Colognea.. To conquer them, instead..

Time can only tell what changes lie ahead; Will the vast Tsardom keep itself at peace, to be bullied by all at their will, or will it stand up, and prove itself as a power to not understimate?



Quick note:

I've run a quick search over the internetz, and well, combining 70% of Russian statistics and 98% of Australian statistics..

Colognea would have AMW's largest Coal, Natural Gas, Nickel, Iron, and Oil production, and be on a shared #1 in terms of Gold production.
I personally think this would put me at an unfair advantage, and considering my main reason behind making this claim was for reasons of getting things running again, enhancing Colognea's history and hopefully making the European-Asian action a bit more fun and active, I will simply make this statement;

Siberia is too vast, and the ports are too far away from much of the production, so therefore, whilst the reserves and production capacity of the aforementioned resources is obviously #1 in the world, that Colognea will have experienced too much isolationism to secure good trade, and will not have a vast quantity nor operational production line to export/flood markets en masse.

Re-establishing the production to full capacity would take many months, perhaps even years, so that by perhaps 2015, 2016, you could see a Colognea at the top of the foodchain in regards to economical might, but for now I want to make my point clear that whilst Siberia and Australia are very rich in natural resources, the isolationist stance of Colognea, not to mention inefficiency and failure to procure good export relations, will mean that it would be economically disastrous for Colognea to actually make an attempt to increase productional output.

In simple terms: Colognea will act at a decreased operational production capacity, as to not overpower the world with economical power. This might change with the years, but I'm sure by that time that other nations will have just sent their capitalist enterprises all over Colognea to secure stuff, and thus render it all not very profitable for Colognea itself. :P
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Chrinthania
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Postby Chrinthania » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:54 am

I had simply glanced at this before wandering off deep into the interwebs before bedtime. I even replied to your telegram thinking you were just giving another explanation as to why you should be allowed to keep the RL Australian GDP as your national GDP in AMW. Instead, when my brain reminded me that it was an expansion request, I decided I needed to pop over here and read it carefully.

Simply put, you're asking for way too much and, as far as I am concerned, give an unmistakable, unequivocal no to this request for an expansion.. There's absolutely no way I would agree to to this if you were a long-established AMW member, let alone someone here just over a month with precious little AMW RP activity. AMW is all about give and take. You want something nice? You have to give up something else (large claims often have other handicaps like weaker military, lack of natural resources, etc....). There is nothing you could give up to make me think you should be allowed to take all of that. If you want the rest of Russia, that's fine. If you want Australia, that's fine. Not both. One or the other.

Sorry if it is too blunt. But, as far as my vote is concerned, the answer is no.
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Postby National Socialist City of Cologne » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:57 am

Chrinthania wrote:(large claims often have other handicaps like weaker military, lack of natural resources, etc....). There is nothing you could give up to make me think you should be allowed to take all of that.


I think I didn't make this clear because I didn't expressly state this, but,

It's 21.1 million square kilometers. The population is 51 million.
Quick look at Canada, for example, which is also very rich in natural resources: 10 million km2, 33.5 million people.
This would essentially be an even more underpowered claim, with one of the world's smallest population densities.

If that's not a handicap enough;

Both Siberia and Australia would have foreign interests in the real world. Highly unlikely if they were Colognea. The Siberian natural resources are located in the middle of nowhere in a frozen tundra/taiga, hundreds to thousands of miles away from ports. It would be economically disastrous to want to actually procure these resources, especially in the AMW universe where the nations are quite self-sustaining, in no direct need of Siberian natural resources.

Again, I'll quote you here.
Chrinthania wrote:(large claims often have other handicaps like weaker military, lack of natural resources, etc....). There is nothing you could give up to make me think you should be allowed to take all of that.


There's not much to give up, is there? There's a military that's physically unable to be strong; Technology is stuck in the 80's and the population numbers simply do not physically allow the sustainance of a large military; Leave alone an offensive military. (Think about it; Colognea would be so massive it would be unable to afford to go on an offensive, leaving that vast area open & prone to invasion.

So I'll counter your statement by one myself, asking you how this enormous claim would be actually beneficial to the owning nation. I've stated in my post that I was very happy to make concessions if they only meant the sustainance of the large claim, but you apparently also gave a blunt 'No' to the idea of asking for more concessions.

Like I said many times. I'm not asking for a 'boost' for Colognea, or anything of the sort. Which is why I'm so open about making concessions in terms of the claim. I'm just looking for some more action, maybe to get AMW running again and give Ganvik and Depkhazia a nation to invade. Or to boost activity in having massive corporations persuade the Colognean government that they want the oil of Siberia, and leave Colognea with the scraps.

Quick Edit:
To give a mental picture, here's what would be essentially Colognea;

Image

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Chrinthania
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Postby Chrinthania » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:10 am

No. I cannot make my vote any more clear than saying no.
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Postby Walmington on Sea » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:38 am

Given Chrinthania's apparently high level of opposition to someone controlling so many of the world's natural resources, and Cologne's desire to have a homeland for the Slavs and a colony over-seas, would it be possible to have Siberia plus something less substantial than Australia, or Australia plus something less substantial than all of Asian Russia? Stick all of the original Slavs in Primorsky and surrounds, so they have a viable port from which to head out to Australia, for example.
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Postby National Socialist City of Cologne » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:54 am

Walmington on Sea wrote:Given Chrinthania's apparently high level of opposition to someone controlling so many of the world's natural resources, and Cologne's desire to have a homeland for the Slavs and a colony over-seas, would it be possible to have Siberia plus something less substantial than Australia, or Australia plus something less substantial than all of Asian Russia? Stick all of the original Slavs in Primorsky and surrounds, so they have a viable port from which to head out to Australia, for example.


Thanks for the support (If it's some support), although I already came to terms with Chrinthanium over the IRC, so I'm most likely dropping my Australia claim.
Instead, here's a revised claim;

http://i.imgur.com/5aS98ot.png

(The dropping of Australia as a whole, with the addition of Mongolia)

This would put my total land mass at.. Enormous.
My population at..
33 million..

Okay. Uhm. Yeah. This is only slightly less bad than claiming Greenland. (I dropped that plan after some consideration as I dont' want the person governing Iceland to feel threathened by those 56.000 Slav-Eskimos).

Although I would like to find some place that could serve as a colony/addition and would give me.. At least a slightly higher population. Not sure how 33 million people are going to fare to defend what would probably be the World's #2 sized nation.

...Maybe Heilongjiang Province, China?

...Fun fact: there are more people in Heilongjiang Province than in the rest of my claim altogether.. ._.

Anyway, would be open to suggestions in ways of completing that claim.

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Postby Acadzia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:31 pm

FWIW, I liked Colognea's first claim. Siberia is pretty resource rich, but it would be more of a burden than a boon in more than a few respects. And then she has to deal with Chingiz, and having people have to deal with Depkasia is always a good thing. :P

Col's size would be comparable to WoS's, but her country would have 1/3 of the people. East Asia is daunting, and we don't exactly have anyone else chomping at the bit. Col's original map made me grin. Asia has never looked so colourful.

Her population would be around the national average, and somewhere around mine. I don't see the hesitation. But, I'm one voice against many older, more active members, and I appreciate and understand that... I would have been remiss to not give my two cents though.

But, the second one works for me, too (though I'm sad to lose a neighbour before getting a chance to RP with them... Damn busy-ness!) Many of us have moved more than once, and she's more just transplanting more than a completely "new" claim if I'm not mistaken.

Heilongjiang works for me. It would put you at 66 mil or so, no? And, while we keep the populations of the Real World, you're free to move population centres within that territory more or less however you wish. So you could take half, or as many as you want, from Heilongjiang and spread them across your claim.

(What happened to the guy who was going to take Java?
You could always take Java :P )

Either way. I like what I've seen so far, and any of the two Col has presented works for me, personally. Poor Australia is cursed. :(
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Postby Chrinthanium » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:10 am

Personally, I prefer the 2nd claim of Cologne's. I know about the idea of burden of riches, etc... and so on, but, really, I'm just not keen on one claiming all of that (to be dead honest). I kind of think Australia isn't cursed. I would still be there if I wasn't an idiot. But, the Romans are nice, I suppose. A much quieter lot than the Chrinthani, I would say. Anyway, I think I could compromise a tad and hope that Cologne wouldn't drop all of Australia. I'm still rather attached to that landmass, even if I'm no longer a claimant upon it. Perhaps if we let her keep part of Australia and the rest of Russia. I do like that idea, really. Anyway, I'm all for the resubmitted claim.
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Postby Beddgelert » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:32 am

Well, I'm not sure that the way to address a perceived imbalance in territorial extent to population size was to add Mongolia, I must say.

Nor, for that matter, am I certain that concerns about excessive hoarding of natural resources would be in any way mitigated by the addition of energy and mineral rich Heilongjiang.

These seemingly bizarre suggestions aside, I'm not opposed to the Siberianisation of Colognea. Nor is Chivo, for that matter... to the gulag with the lot of them, says he! :P

Given any consideration to the five and a half million people of Hokkaido (well positioned for agriculture, forestry, and aquaculture, but not heaving with globally scarce energy and minerals so far as I'm aware) for a colonial venture?
Then combine Hokkaido, Sakhalin, and the Kuril Islands (about 6.1 million people) to represent the 'other' part of Colognea, colonised by the mainlanders at some comparatively recent date, possibly in some 'quick, before the Walmingtonians get here from the Aluetians!' dash?
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Postby Chemaki » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:25 am

I used to play around East Siberia, and I've got an idea - Why not just claim Inner Mongolia? With 24 million people (as well as the 6 million offered by Hokkaido if you choose to claim the area) you can round off your nation's population at a substantial 60 million. Inner Mongolia has resources of its own, particularly coal, but it's nowhere near as large as an industrial/population center as Heilongjiang, meaning that Colognea wouldn't have the superpower strength of having both lots of natural resources and a huge workforce.

Heilongjiang may seem like an awkward gap in your nation's borders, but it's a perfect industrial/population center for a Korean player (indeed, I played as a Fascist Slavic State in the Korean Peninsula for a while, and my claim was North Korea, South Korea, Heilongjiang, Jilin and Lianing.

(Shit, that gave my very short-lived Slavic Korea a population of 183 million. Wowee, I had no idea it was so high.)
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Postby Acadzia » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:00 pm

Good idears all around. That's why you guys are in charge.
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Postby The Crooked Beat » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:53 pm

From my perspective, at least, I have no problem with Cologne's proposed expansion necessarily, but wonder if Siberia, rather than Australia, might actually turn out to be the more isolated location. You're basically stuck up in a fairly remote part of the world, bordered by not one but two much more populous, and in one case at least, substantially powerful, nations, effectively barred from participation in European affairs and perhaps also too distant for meaningful involvement in South and Southeast Asia as well. From an ethnic perspective, Siberia certainly makes a fair amount of sense in terms of Slavic origins, but I'm worried that any advantages in that respect would be more than cancelled-out by remoteness and, in terms of its neighbors, either over-friendliness or outright hostility. In Australia, you've got sea access to the Indian Ocean region, populated by a number of not overwhelming neighbors, a more than ample resource base, and a nice, self-contained landmass that isn't shut out of world events.

And if you're after a little bit more land or population, there's every reason to expect an Australian power to expand northward into the Indonesian archipelago, or even so far afield as northern Japan or Far Eastern Siberia, to follow suggestions made by BG and Walmington. That way, you've got a viable Slavic homeland without having to take the whole of Siberia.
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Postby National Socialist City of Cologne » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:41 pm

The Crooked Beat wrote:From my perspective, at least, I have no problem with Cologne's proposed expansion necessarily, but wonder if Siberia, rather than Australia, might actually turn out to be the more isolated location. You're basically stuck up in a fairly remote part of the world, bordered by not one but two much more populous, and in one case at least, substantially powerful, nations, effectively barred from participation in European affairs and perhaps also too distant for meaningful involvement in South and Southeast Asia as well. From an ethnic perspective, Siberia certainly makes a fair amount of sense in terms of Slavic origins, but I'm worried that any advantages in that respect would be more than cancelled-out by remoteness and, in terms of its neighbors, either over-friendliness or outright hostility. In Australia, you've got sea access to the Indian Ocean region, populated by a number of not overwhelming neighbors, a more than ample resource base, and a nice, self-contained landmass that isn't shut out of world events.

And if you're after a little bit more land or population, there's every reason to expect an Australian power to expand northward into the Indonesian archipelago, or even so far afield as northern Japan or Far Eastern Siberia, to follow suggestions made by BG and Walmington. That way, you've got a viable Slavic homeland without having to take the whole of Siberia.


@Crooked; The thing is, Even taking the slightest part of Indonesia would mean an explosion of population. I don't know how they managed to fit a quarter billion people on those islands, but they did. But I'm probably going to stick with my Siberia claim, as Russia is after all my birthplace, so it would have real life connections just as much as Australia does. (Which is just the place where I grew up.)
I don't quite understand the isolation you claim for Siberia. I'm fairly sure that both Gandvik and the land governed by the Turkic Mr. Fabulous would prove to be action enough, as they would no longer be capable of worrying about just the West..

Not to mention that, with the limited population of whatever eventual claim I might end up with, that there might be some interest of both those two nations to hoard land by means of war.

...Or a European power allies with Colognea and we end up with an AMW form of Poland in 1939.. Only on a much larger scale. Which would probably backfire. And end in Colognea becoming some puppet of some major power..

@Chrinth; I'm not not sure if I'd be capable of taking a part of Australia without any other claims attached there. Say, for example, that someone, or multiple others, also made a claim on some States of Australia, then it would make sense in my head, but I wouldn't want to be left alone on there. It wouldn't look very tidy and it'd wreck my personal immersion of why someone wouldn't claim all of it.

But yeah. Maybe if some other nations also settled there and claimed it for themselves, then I'd be comfortable with having a part of it, have it be a small Africa back when all the European powers wanted to just carve as much land out as they possibly could. (British South Africa VS the Boer Republics, the German, subsequently Belgian Congo, the vast French lands.. Portuguese lands, Spanish lands..)

For example, say Queensland becomes Colognean, some random Roman puppet state of West Australia, while, say, a powerful West-European nation claims the Northern Territory, and another claims New South Wales..
While the rest of the land-greeding factions try to flush people in to claim the State that's left and claim South Australia as theirs.
Oh, you mean, I didn't give an explanation as to who would go for Victoria? Well.. Can't leave the Walmingtonians out of a matter of grabbing some of the land somewhere.

And meanwhile, nobody cares about Tasmania.
Or New Zealand.

^Note; The above is just an example. As I don't know if anyone likes the idea, I'll stick with my original claim for now of Asian Russia & Mongolia and have an underpopulated, vast landmass.

(Which wouldn't change even if I got Queensland.. Ah well. Suppose I can always pull a sad face on the international stage while hoping that some nation sends help when Siberia inevitably gets invaded..)

@Beddgelert; 6.1 million people would be the equivalent of the Cologneans suddenly visiting the United States and claiming Washington. While 6.1 million people sure would help Colognea, I do not want to have a claim on a Japanese island, because Japan is a loved country and we'll probably one day see someone who'll want the Japanese islands and start some Imperial expansion plan..

(I'm trying to find land that I hope do not fall within new applicant's wishes, because, well, yeah, I do care about AMW and I want to see it grow, too, so I'm considerate in what I'm comfortable with claiming.)

Hmm. I really don't want to even suggest this, but, how about somewhere in Europe, to have it act as some sort of Colognean Gibraltar? No need for it to be big at all, hell, I'd settle for Liechtenstein.. xD

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Postby Chrinthanium » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:08 am

I have had time to consider my second claim a bit, having really done nothing with it and failing to really move on an RP I had began (two, actually) due to lack of time and other things. I thought about what I really want it to do and how I really want it to be and, gee, I kept tripping over certain things. They tell me that I cannot have my cake and eat it too, but, you know, sometimes you can have two cakes.

So, after careful consideration, and after carefully attempting to figure out just what I wanted the second claim to be, I have come up with an alteration to my second claim and hereby present this to AMW for its approval or disapproval as the membership deems fit.

APPLICATION:

CHRINTHANIA
Claimed lands: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina
Population: 37,517,185
GDP per capita: 11,000
GDP: 412,689,035,000
Government Type: Federal Constitutional Monarchy
National Leader: President Taylor Ellison
Monarch: Emperor Nathaniel IV

History in Brief:

Chrinthania begins as a Roman colony in Florida. Over the years, the French Americans, the Walmingtonians, and others (if others would so be inclined) settle other portions in what would become Chrinthania. Beginning in the early 1700s, a violent separation of Roman Florida commences, carving out the Florida peninsula as an independent nation after a few years of war. Not satisfied with what was achieved, believing they have Divine Right to conquer the whole of North America, the army conquered nearby lands and amasses a small empire in Southeastern North America called Chrinthanium, a name whose origin remains unknown in the modern day. Unfortunately for the Chrinthani, they were held back in their early empire building and remained sectioned off in Southeastern North America. A violent civil war breaks out in the late 1700s and a new Republic of Chrinthania is brought to light. Chrinthania remained very neutral during the European Great War, attempting not to be drawn into conflict which it was ill-prepared to participate and unable to afford.

Government:

The Chrinthani Government is a Federal monarchy in which the President is Head of Government and the Emperor is Head of State. However, the Emperor is merely a figurehead and it is the President who retains full executive authority. The bicameral legislature consists of the House of Representatives and the Senate. The Supreme Court is the chief judicial body of Chrinthania. Each of the several state retain their

The State governments typically have the most influence in the daily lives of the Chrinthani. The Federal Constitution prohibits the Federal Government from exercising any power over the States that it does not expressly grant. States operate with a degree of autonomy as to how the operate within their jurisdictional boundaries, but make no mistake that no law in any state can override the Constitution or Federal Law.

Native American tribes residing in the jurisdiction of the Federal Government are granted a special status as a Domestic Dependent Nation, which operate independent governments that are subject to Federal authority, yet, where feasible, operate outside of State Governments. Each tribe is allowed to create its own government, and they have so done ranging from simple tribal councils to more bureaucratic governments with their own branches. Tribes, however, are not permitted to negotiate trade pacts with other sovereign nations nor are they allowed to have their own militia or military.

Culture

The Chrinthani are a fickle people to say the least. They're almost apathetic towards the world unless it involves them directly. As with all peoples, the Chrinthani care about their image. They are fully aware of their international image of party boys and girl and surfers. It's a matter of pride to the Chrinthani who know that there is more to Chrinthania than a day surfing and a night getting pissed. Yet, instead of this stereotype causing the Chrinthani any trouble, they embrace it as part of their national identity. If you asked the average Chrinthani what it means to be one, they'd typically respond along the lines of, "Wake up, work, surf, drink, shag, sleep." And not necessarily in that order either.

The relaxed nature of the religious side of Chrinthani culture has bred a nation of promiscuous people. International spectators will often describe the Chrinthani as "over sexed, with high libidoes and a carnal appetite." Yes, Chrinthani attitudes towards sex--and indeed sexuality--are some of the most liberal in the world. On average, by the time a male has graduated from University, he's has between 5 and 8 partners in his life. And a female has had, on average, anywhere from 3-6. In a 2011 survey, 49% of those surveyed said they'd lost their virginity by their sophomore year in High School. While the more religious would see this as a sign of relaxed morals, the Chrinthani see this as a sign of sexual liberation--a natural part of life.

The quintessential Chrinthani will often partake of alcoholic beverages at some point throughout the day. Drinking is almost a national pasttime. In fact, the art of getting drunk and passing out is considered a good thing in Chrinthani culture. Nothing ends the day like a couple a pints with your mates at your local bar.

There is a strong sense of nationalism within the Chrinthani people. They know that underneath the surfer boy image beats the heart of a thriving democracy. They understand that they're not economically or militarily powerful, but they would die to protect their land even if they thought they would lose badly. Better to be dead than to live under the thumb of an invader.

Chrinthani drug laws are some of the most relaxed in the world. It's not entirely illegal to do drugs, just illegal to bring them into the country. A standard penalty is a month in jail. The overall crime rate is down because of it, incidents of violent crime are at historical lows, and the government tax of marijuana is an indispensable asset to the government. The "Pot Tax" as it's affectionately called, goes to the education and transportation ministries to keep the roads in good condition, keep the infrastructure of the nation in good condition, and to build newer, more modern schools.

Religion does not play a large roll in the lives of most Chrinthani. Though, there are Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and Muslims interspersed throughout the nation. Overall, around 35% of Chrinthani attend religious services on a regular basis.

Military:

The Chrinthani maintain a small defense force to protect its borders from military threats. The Chrinthani Defense Force maintains 400,000 active-duty personnel between the Army, Navy, and Air Force, with an additional 250,000 in reserves.



**I had worked on keeping North Carolina and Virginia because of the fact that I have lived in both of those states and know them well. Yet, I didn't include them in the application because, between the two, there's almost as many people as in the State of Florida, and it kept my population number higher than I think I should have for a second claim. It does, however, look nice and tidy on the map for a future claimant to have viable sea access with those Middle Atlantic and Mid-South states (NC, VA, KY, TN, remainder of WV). Again, this is another claim lacking in natural resources, so I made sure the GDP reflected that. Also, I've finally brought back some characters that are very important to me. The slow-moving, serious Western Roman Empire being the main claim and the more curious-acting Chrinthani rolling along as a fun second claim.

So, now to you to decide if you would approve or disapprove this claim........ :unsure:
"You ever feel like the world is a tuxedo and you're a pair of brown shoes?" - George Gobel, American Comedian (1919-1991)

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Postby National Socialist City of Cologne » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:28 pm

It'll be an interesting thing to see how your two claims will view eachother IC, that's for sure. Now, I'm not a great admirer of multiple claims, mostly because I'd be biased in the interaction between the claims, but looking at Walmington, I suppose that that's just my inability to manage two completely different nations.

"Yes" from me. Intriguing read, lovely thing to possibly see another democracy.

(On another note: Who would Chrinthania trade with for the needed resources? From what I can see, quite a lot of the nations are led by nutjob dictators who'll want nothing to do with democracy.. Hmm.. Then again.. There'd be at least one country who could use a good wad of cash.. >.> )

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Postby Chrinthanium » Thu Jul 25, 2013 12:59 am

National Socialist City of Cologne wrote:It'll be an interesting thing to see how your two claims will view eachother IC, that's for sure. Now, I'm not a great admirer of multiple claims, mostly because I'd be biased in the interaction between the claims, but looking at Walmington, I suppose that that's just my inability to manage two completely different nations.

"Yes" from me. Intriguing read, lovely thing to possibly see another democracy.

(On another note: Who would Chrinthania trade with for the needed resources? From what I can see, quite a lot of the nations are led by nutjob dictators who'll want nothing to do with democracy.. Hmm.. Then again.. There'd be at least one country who could use a good wad of cash.. >.> )



Well, dahling, the Chrinthani aren't as picky about with whom they trade as some other nations out there. They may not agree with your politics, but, if you have what they need, they're willing to talk.
"You ever feel like the world is a tuxedo and you're a pair of brown shoes?" - George Gobel, American Comedian (1919-1991)

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Postby Chemaki » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:48 am

National Socialist City of Cologne wrote:Colognea would have AMW's largest Coal, Natural Gas, Nickel, Iron, and Oil production, and be on a shared #1 in terms of Gold production.
I personally think this would put me at an unfair advantage, and considering my main reason behind making this claim was for reasons of getting things running again, enhancing Colognea's history and hopefully making the European-Asian action a bit more fun and active, I will simply make this statement;


It's much better to judge your economic power in terms of reserves, not production, since production is determined by a host of real-life factors (how developed a nation is, its past economic history, etc.). Just because real-life Russia produces a lot of oil/natural gas is no indicator of whether Colognea would be able to dominate the world's petromarket. Another note: The FIS' Iron Ore production is 93,000 million tonnes a year, and Gandvik probably has a large concentration of Russia's Iron Ore meaning that you're going to find it hard to top my figure.

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Postby The Crooked Beat » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:23 pm

Definitely on board with Chrin's new claim idea. It doesn't strike me as too excessive to include Virginia and North Carolina on top of what's already been proposed, especially given that, with its relatively low GDP figure, the extra population would hardly turn Chrinthania into a major world power, but that's entirely up to personal preferences, and what AMW generally will bear.

Though I do have to say, 400,000 active troops does seem a little generous for a small defense force, at about twice the size of the RL British Armed Forces, for instance. By no means out of line with AMW's general trend in that respect, if on the high side proportionally, and certainly not wrong by itself, but possibly surplus to requirements? Not a big deal, at any rate.

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