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[Chrinthania]

Let me address The Nuclear Fist first. Thing currently in existence are allowed. Things not currently in existence are not allowed. Things being developed, but not in general use, are not allowed. And, to address the question of place of origin, you are correct.

As to the application submitted by Ayrshire, I give a very reserved no. The application is rather full of figures and lists, but precious little in anything else. There's implied history upon lands which fall under already-established claims that would either have to be removed from your idea or agreed upon by those this history affects. There is no real explanation of how the government works. There is no roughly-written history from which I can get a sense of what happened. What kind of military does Ayrshire have? I'd love to know how Ayrshire culture works. Tell me more because what I have to go on isn't much.

It's probably best to read the Opening Post of this thread and click on the Example Application link and read that. That's my advice.

I have to say that, as the application stands written and presented, I offer a reserved no and respectfully ask Ayrshire to resubmit an application that gives more details about history, government, culture, economy, and military and less general lists including leaders, vague historical points of interest, and criminal offenses.

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

In terms of the other Applicants, Ayshire while I like where you are going with that app, might I suggest you flesh it out a bit more, mainly in terms of Governemnt and Economy, while you have the facts straight perhaps more info on how the state works and it's economy runs would be helpful

I love the Idea of the Central American state Max, all good

I don't have time now, however later this afternoon i will do as you've asked.

[Hibernordia]

I would be very happy to drop a claim to Ireland in return for the rest of Northern England

Hello! I'm the player who has Ireland. I wanted land as east of Europe as possible, so that my colonization would go unhindered by other, possibly hostile, nations and landmasses.

I'm playing a Nordicized Celtic people which was one of the more successful seafaring nations. So, we share good blood at least. AMW Celts (just like in real life) came from central Europe and the Balkans, where a current Celtic nation (Beddgelert) currently still exists (unlike IRL). My Celts migrated from the Balkans to the British Isles, and perhaps we're brother people, part of the same migrations?

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

I would be very happy to drop a claim to Ireland in return for the rest of Northern England

Hello! I'm the player who has Ireland. I wanted land as east of Europe as possible, so that my colonization would go unhindered by other, possibly hostile, nations and landmasses.

I'm playing a Nordicized Celtic people which was one of the more successful seafaring nations. So, we share good blood at least. AMW Celts (just like in real life) came from central Europe and the Balkans, where a current Celtic nation (Beddgelert) currently still exists (unlike IRL). My Celts migrated from the Balkans to the British Isles, and perhaps we're brother people, part of the same migrations?

Hello brother,
It is well known that the Ayrshireans came from Eastern Framce, so it's unlilely we're from the same migration. However, we are VERY happy to negotiate anything you would like to discuss, being Celtic.
We are modernised, but we still use some ancient units and rituals.
Other than that, pleasure to meet you

[Beddgelert]

Hm!

If Ayrshire ends up going ahead, it's probably going to have an interesting relationship with the Celts of Geletia.

There are lots of (hopefully) minor issues in the proposed history and other details at the moment, that might not be difficult to iron out.
First up, you'll need to know that there's already a lot of established history involving some relevant cultures.

It seems that proto-Celtic people arose in Central Europe, fairly similar to reality, and then spread out. In the fourth century BCE some of them descended into the Saimonas (which is what the Balkans are called in AMW, due to a lack of Turkic history there) and eventually became the Geletians (that is, the people of my nation), now fifty-odd million strong and still committed to their distinct culture, and at one time much of Eastern Europe was dominated by Celts. It has seemed that Celtic culture died out in much of Europe, but remained strong in Geletia and later spread out from there again, this time by sea. Judging by your deities and personal names, it's apparent that there is a significant and not too ancient connection between the Celts of Geletia and Ayrshire. For example, Morrigan is a particularly popular deity with some Geletian tribes, and Brenos (Brennus) remains a common name or honorific, being the name attributed to one of the leaders of the Gallic invasion of the Saimonas and regarded as a national founder.

I wonder... if Celts dispersed from Central Europe in several directions over two thousand years ago, those in Ayrshire and those in Geletia would be almost unrecognisable to one another by now, but perhaps those early Geletian mariners who also apparently stopped off in northern Iberia, Brittany, and Ireland, rediscovered their cousins at some intermediate point and established either a strong trading link (perhaps over the North Sea and through Eastern Europe, helping to explain the Celtic element of Walmington's history) or a trend for Geletian immigration that helped to influence Ayrshire's culture in a way that explains the continued similarities.

Meanwhile, when it comes to the colonial ventures, in AMW descendants of some of those Geletians who sailed to Ireland (and perhaps Ayrshire) pulled something of a Brendan the Navigator act and found themselves in North America, later playing an important part in the creation of the Republic of Amerique/America. Then in the 1480s the English (who arose in Denmark and still control the archipelago), or rather English dissidents, established a community on Newfoundland, called Walmington. So, indeed, any attempt to colonise that would find someone beat them to it. It'd be a similar story in Maine and Delaware, most likely, where existing AMW players have established history already, but perhaps either WoS or Amerique will be prepared to work in short-lived Ayrshire involvement.

Then there's little things you should know, such as that there's no Euro, no yen, and so on. The pound sterling, currency of the Walmingtonian Empire, is assumed to be equivalent to the real US dollar and generally used as a benchmark.

One thing I'm wondering about is the name. Ayrshire seems a slightly odd name for a nation state, unless perhaps Anglo-Saxons did at some point have control and perhaps administer the place as subordinate to their continental homeland. But maybe I'm the only one who thinks it sounds odd, I dunno.

I believe the population of Scotland and the available northern English counties combined would be approximately 18.4 million, give or take the Manx.

I think there was one other thing I wanted to say, but it escapes me, and I've gone on quite long enough.

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

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[Chemaki]

The application system here is a bit more open-ended than filling out a form. A good application just needs to cover a nation's basic history, society, economy and world standing (though we'll fit you in amongst the pecking order anyways when you join). I can point out some successful applications for you to draw inspiration from, however.

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Alright, thanks. I'm thinking of making either a nation either on the Ivory Coast or where Afghanistan is.

I'd love to see an Afghan/Northern Pakistani nation. Then again, I am always hungry for more neighbors.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I'd love to see an Afghan/Northern Pakistani nation. Then again, I am always hungry for more neighbors.

That's probably what I'm going to do. My nation's general history fits better there, though I'll probably try and get a little of the coast as well. My nation is generally based around a blend of Pashtun and Romani culture from the south.

[Cassanos]

I'd love to see an Afghan/Northern Pakistani nation. Then again, I am always hungry for more neighbors.

That's probably what I'm going to do. My nation's general history fits better there, though I'll probably try and get a little of the coast as well. My nation is generally based around a blend of Pashtun and Romani culture from the south.

Well, that's your call. Just remember that in AMW, the distribution of cultures and peoples can be rather different from the real world. So, sure, Pashtu people could live in Afghanistan or Pakistan (and probably have some shared history with the Depkazis, our Central Asian Mongols), but in AMW, they might just as well have been displaced to, say, Lesotho . If you can make it work, we're not nitpicky as to where your people came from.

[The Amyclae]

Where did that placeholder fellow wander off to? Hm. Well, hopefully he pops back in. Asia could always use a little more filling. Sometimes applicants are perfect little butterflies. They alight so prettily on our quirky community but the softest breath seems to scare them away. Oh well.

Aryshire, my general waves of approval haven't changed. The improvements look like exactly that. Perhaps, though, you should explore the possibilities of the spoiler tag(s)? Mind you, scrolling an extra tenth of a second through your monarchs' names isn't much of a problem, but it couldn't hurt either.

The Nuclear First... No words, yet, from me. I believe you can provide us with some entertainment and a good application. Chemaki isn't much of a biter. Chingiz though....

[Placeholderr]

I'm still here. I haven't posted recently because I haven't heard anything definite yet whether or not my application has been accepted.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

Huang

Huang gets a resounding "Yes" from me.

Close to 100 million people and a formidable economy is a lot for a new player in the group, but I suppose realistically we have to accept that almost any claim in China is going to be large if we ever want to rebuild that part of the community... East Asia is kinda the birthplace of AMW, after all, and it'd be nice to get things moving again over there.

I'm okay with giving Huang a chance, at least.

Placeholderr,
Interesting NS Nation name. The application is good. I'll reserve a more lengthy reply for a later time after I've had ample sleep. However, it's got a general thumbs-up from me.

I've taken the liberty of compiling the comments on your application, Huang. I would say that your application looks good, and that you can go ahead and apply to the off-site forum (not necessary, but useful), or join us in IRC, all should be linked in the first post.

Ayrshire
I'm a bit reserved/overwhelmed by the application, mainly due to the formatting/typos which are a little distracting. I'll offer a tentative yes.

Nuclear Fist, I'm pretty excited by your future application, it sounds like you'll be a good fit for AMW.

[Acadzia]

I realize I hadn't said anything about Nuclear Fist. I support his app, for whatever it's worth.

Man, Colognea, Huang, Ayrshire, and NF. I'm really stoked by all these new nations. And it's lighting a fire under my ass to get to work on my Factbook and The Once and Future King... A lot of these guys and gals have written more than I ever had when applying (or re-applying) to AMW.

[The Amyclae]

Hopefully you'll suspend disbelief for a few quirky characters from Central America!

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

So that's two yeses. How many do i need?

[The Nuclear Fist]

We are allowed to create our own ethnic groups?

[United Kongo]

We are allowed to create our own ethnic groups?

Hell Yeah

[The Nuclear Fist]

We are allowed to create our own ethnic groups?

Hell Yeah

Hmm. Interesting. I've generally got ideas for a nation where Mexico is, where South Africa is, where Afghanistan/Pakistan is, and somewhere in central Asia that I'd call Hunistan. Regardless of what I choose, my nation is going to be a revolutionary socialist republic.

[Awesome Break-Away of 250land]

Hey guys, I'm interested in running a totalitarian New Zealand (Don't worry, I'll be pretty mild).

Population: 4,468,200

Government: Mild and sleepy totalitarian mañana government headed by King Liam.

History: Same as RL until 1981 when the events surrounding the Tour launched NZ into a civil war between pro and anti Tour protesters ending in the victory of anti-tour protesters who set up a more democratic version of the govt. now in place.

Economy: Based on the export of agriculture and timber and cheap imports. also, Te Mahi, a manufacturer of automobiles is popular domestically.

Culture: mañana and corrupt but very friendly, even the police officers extracting bribes will give you a smile and directions. Almost all Kiwis speak both English and Maori, about half of people between 30-45 and 15-25 speak passable to competent French.

Military: The New Zealand Military has a long and distinguished history and a strong but small modern military carries this on with ample resources (sometimes at the expense of the Regulatory Authority)

Note that the Cook Islands, Niue, Tokelau, and the Pitcairn Islands have been considered a de-facto part of New Zealand for along time and I'd like to keep them here.

Is one word good enough?

[Cassanos]

I think the general idea has merit, but please take a moment to review the OP again. AMW lergely hasn't been following RL-events, and thus we are lacking a South Africa, with Apartheid or without. Everything that isn't claimed is called "Dragonland" (since here be dragons), and its histories are left deliberately nebulous, so as not to interfere with any future claims.
If you want to rework your application to keep it more general for now, that would be great. Our resident British Empire is Walmington on Sea, he might have a few tips for you.

[Chrinthania]

So that's two yeses. How many do i need?

Well, there's no set total. There is generally an undefined amount of time offered to all current members of AMW to comment one way or the other, with the general consensus of the group reigning supreme. And, as it pertains to my decision regarding your application, considering the changes to your application, I'm moved from a reserved no to a cautious maybe. I'm still not entirely sold on the application as it stands, but, I don't want to be a negative vote against you if the remainder of AMW is for it. That being said, it could do without a list of rulers, or criminal offenses. It could also do with a good spell check, though spelling and grammar aren't reasons to decline an application.

I might point out that The Nuclear Fist, while definitely someone who has history on NS, hasn't actually posted an application for us to approve yet. So, I'll reserve my excitement over the potential future application until one is submitted. That being said, I'd love to have TNF as a member of AMW. So, I'm really just waiting on the application itself.

As it pertains to 250land, I'm afraid that I will have to pass on the application as it stands. That being said, a read through of our Opening Post and, in particular, the linked example application, might point 250land in the right direction as far as an application goes. The idea has merit, and I'd really just like to see a more fleshed out application in order to offer proper deliberation and an informed response.

[Walmington on Sea]

I think that Ayrshire should be accepted provided they take on board and address those points of history raised in BG's lengthy post.

I'm more or less with Cass and Chrin on the Kiwi application. I think it looks potentially interesting, though a little bare, and I don't know much about the player's RP potential... however it doesn't feel like it'd represent a big risk to incorporate such a small 'low-power' claim, so that's in the applicant's favour.

As Cassanos says, history is very different in AMW. South Africa is a combination of unclaimed land that can't be used in other nations' histories until we know who's playing what there, and English South West Africa. The tour could be styled as one controversial for Kiwi opposition to the continuation of the Walmingtonian ((A.K.A. English)) Empire in much of the world, or we could make use of ((the much reduced)) Nilosahra ((based in Tanzania)), which, in 1981, was still under the Falster government, and did not extend suffrage beyond the white minority until 1982. The Walmingtonian Empire could certainly stand in for the British in NZ, anyway, though Kiwi independence rather goes against the trend, as the Walmingtonians have fought to maintain their colonies elsewhere. Still, something could presumably be worked out.

Though this could probably be hand waved away, it also occurs to me that, currently, there's no Zeeland for NZ to be named after ((though Abel Tasman might be Nibelung?)).

[National Socialist City of Cologne]

I think that Ayrshire should be accepted provided they take on board and address those points of history raised in BG's lengthy post.

I'm more or less with Cass and Chrin on the Kiwi application. I think it looks potentially interesting, though a little bare, and I don't know much about the player's RP potential... however it doesn't feel like it'd represent a big risk to incorporate such a small 'low-power' claim, so that's in the applicant's favour.

As Cassanos says, history is very different in AMW. South Africa is a combination of unclaimed land that can't be used in other nations' histories until we know who's playing what there, and English South West Africa. The tour could be styled as one controversial for Kiwi opposition to the continuation of the Walmingtonian ((A.K.A. English)) Empire in much of the world, or we could make use of ((the much reduced)) Nilosahra ((based in Tanzania)), which, in 1981, was still under the Falster government, and did not extend suffrage beyond the white minority until 1982. The Walmingtonian Empire could certainly stand in for the British in NZ, anyway, though Kiwi independence rather goes against the trend, as the Walmingtonians have fought to maintain their colonies elsewhere. Still, something could presumably be worked out.

Though this could probably be hand waved away, it also occurs to me that, currently, there's no Zeeland for NZ to be named after ((though Abel Tasman might be Nibelung?)).

...The Dutch have a province named Zeeland, which is currently unclaimed, thus eligible, no?

[Chemaki]

That's probably what I'm going to do. My nation's general history fits better there, though I'll probably try and get a little of the coast as well. My nation is generally based around a blend of Pashtun and Romani culture from the south.

Well, that's your call. Just remember that in AMW, the distribution of cultures and peoples can be rather different from the real world. So, sure, Pashtu people could live in Afghanistan or Pakistan (and probably have some shared history with the Depkazis, our Central Asian Mongols), but in AMW, they might just as well have been displaced to, say, Lesotho . If you can make it work, we're not nitpicky as to where your people came from.

Well, let me give you a rundown of the current cultural situation in the Middle East from the point of the Federated Islamic States (Depkazia can fill in anything I've missed). Eastern Iran, Afghanistan and West Pakistan (talking about the real-life regions here, since they don't exist by those names or borders in AMW) are dominated by the Pashto culture, with other cultures such as the Balochis (Romanies), Sindhis and Persians numbering a couple of million each (in the FIS, that is).

Historically, this rag-tag bunch of ethnic groups have been more-or-less united against proto-Khanates in Central Asia since time immemorial, though when the Depkazi Khanates took hold of Central Asia they exerted a huge cultural influence over the more southern ethnic groups, forcing Turkic ideals (and thus its culture) onto the Pashtos, Afghans (which are primarily a Turkic group), and to a lesser extent the Balochis.

So to this day, in the Federated Islamic States at least, the following ethnic groups are present in Southern Afghanistan/West Pakistan/East Iran:

Balochis, which number around 30 million and are a mix of Indo-Iranian and Turkic cultures.
Afghans, which number around 12 million and are the closest equivalent to real-life Turks in the region.
Balochis, which number around 8 million and are semi-nomadic, their culture very similar to that of the Romanies.
Sindhis, which number around 8 million and are equivalent to their real-life counterparts.
Persians, which number around 3 million and are equivalent to their real-life counterparts.

Obviously, your ethnic composition can be totally different, but if you're looking for a rough guide as to what's already been done anthropology-wise in the area, talk to myself or Depkazia.

[The Nuclear Fist]

After much consideration, I'm going to make an application for the northern two thirds of the Indian subcontinent, Pakistan, and the remaining eastern provinces of Afghanistan. It's going to be called the Socialist Federated Republic of Indostan. Lots of problems with militants of all colours, be they Maoist harliners and religious fundamentalists. Invaded by the Mongols a long time ago.