WorldVision Song Contest 24 Signups/National Finals

[Folkand]

No country from Central Europe in ESC [*] Poland [*] Slovakia [*] Czech Republic [*]

[Mediterra]

Wow. So much posted in that one single night where I don't open NS much.

1. Chenkorya's wrong. My opinion on Israel: I think both nations have the right to exist. Palestine should recognize Israel and vice versa. They could split the land, but Israel shouldn't build on Palestinian soil. (As I'm taught, Israel and Palestine achieving peace is a sign that the final days are coming, fyi. Nevertheless I still want them to have peace). I'm not surprised Phoen is supportive towards them, seeing he renamed his country something that rhymes with Israel.
2. I also don't think the Arabic countries should feel as if Israel is the source of evil either. I don't think they shouldn't compete against Israel.
3. The Belarusian song is still stuck in my head. At first I disliked Ukraine but I think it's pretty okay. I don't like Armenia, but only lyricswise. My favourites were Georgia and Russia (both 12 points), and Belarus, Azerbaijan, and Sweden.
4. Cyprus did confirm participation. Hungary is in too, I suppose?
5. How many songs have we posted? Less than 20? Expect commentary if so, during the weekend.

[Swilatia]

BTW, anybody know when the Azeri selection is starting? Usually the crappy ESC covers already start pouring in by now... perhaps they've finally realised just how pointless it is to go through all that, just to have Sweden write their song in the end.

Don't make me remember how they killed Molitva and S'Il Fallait Le Faire. But.... Milli Secim Turu does not start usually but until January.

OK, Here you go.

From December. That's the third week of the selection, even.

[Swilatia]

No country from Central Europe in ESC [*] Poland [*] Slovakia [*] Czech Republic [*]

How about Austria, Hungary, Slovenia?

[Crolacia]

Okay, this will be the last post about the Israel thing.

Phoenigetuzstha is talking like Israel is heaven on earth, and like it's the most amazing and most friendly nation that there has ever been, and like Palestine is a horrible bad boy who kills thousands of Israeli people.

Well, let me tell you, that is not true. Israel is totally not heaven on earth, I would never like to be an Israeli (f.e.: every boy or girl has to go into the army as a soldier, whether they want it or not, for quite a long time. That's horrible imo.). Maybe Gaza has send thousands of rockets but they haven't killed a lot of people at all. When Gaza kills 1 person, Israel kills 50. It was Palestine who started the conflict, but that was because of something Israel had done.

Anyway, Phoen, Israel is more Middle Eastern than European, definitely. The way they behave in this conflict is already a prove of that: they behave like any other nation would do, and the way that not a single European nation would behave. It's just as European as, for example, Lebanon: and I can know that Israel is not European at all because I've been there twice.

And Calimera, what you said is just nonsense.


And about the Slovakia thing: I remember they withdrew before. Didn't they withdraw in 2011 and 2012 as well?

(Really my last post about Israel)

I agree totally with Chenk here!!!!
Israel is no way European. the EU just got Nobel Peace prize for the love of God! Israel could never get one. Palestine has every right to exist and so has Israel.

[Landenburg]

Okay, this will be the last post about the Israel thing.

Phoenigetuzstha is talking like Israel is heaven on earth, and like it's the most amazing and most friendly nation that there has ever been, and like Palestine is a horrible bad boy who kills thousands of Israeli people.

Well, let me tell you, that is not true. Israel is totally not heaven on earth, I would never like to be an Israeli (f.e.: every boy or girl has to go into the army as a soldier, whether they want it or not, for quite a long time. That's horrible imo.). Maybe Gaza has send thousands of rockets but they haven't killed a lot of people at all. When Gaza kills 1 person, Israel kills 50. It was Palestine who started the conflict, but that was because of something Israel had done.

Anyway, Phoen, Israel is more Middle Eastern than European, definitely. The way they behave in this conflict is already a prove of that: they behave like any other nation would do, and the way that not a single European nation would behave. It's just as European as, for example, Lebanon: and I can know that Israel is not European at all because I've been there twice.

And Calimera, what you said is just nonsense.


And about the Slovakia thing: I remember they withdrew before. Didn't they withdraw in 2011 and 2012 as well?

(Really my last post about Israel)

I agree totally with Chenk here!!!!
Israel is no way European. the EU just got Nobel Peace prize for the love of God! Israel could never get one. Palestine has every right to exist and so has Israel.

Isreali troops only have to serve for 3 years.

I love bad of hypocrites they are.
They complain of the holocaust and then burn Palestinians with white phosphorus.
It's ridiculous.

[Crolacia]

(Really my last post about Israel)

I agree totally with Chenk here!!!!
Israel is no way European. the EU just got Nobel Peace prize for the love of God! Israel could never get one. Palestine has every right to exist and so has Israel.

Isreali troops only have to serve for 3 years.

I love bad of hypocrites they are.
They complain of the holocaust and then burn Palestinians with white phosphorus.
It's ridiculous.

Only?! Serving 3 years in the military is ONLY?!
Here in Croatia we don't have to spend one hour in the military, not 3 years!

[Folkand]

No country from Central Europe in ESC [*] Poland [*] Slovakia [*] Czech Republic [*]

How about Austria, Hungary, Slovenia?

Yes, you're right. Let it be 'Western Slavic countries'

[Kishrael]

Okay, my last post about it too then, and I'll make it as long as I can.

Firstly, Chenk. I'm not saying that Israel is the most friendly nation on earth, they're most definitely not, but they get the job done and nobody can doubt that. Every citizen must serve at least 2 years (3 for males) however you can become exempt in a number of ways, ie. if you have exceptional sporting or academic skill, or if you are of Arabian ethnicity. The reason Gaza hasn't killed anyone is because they are a bunch of terrorists (the government that is) and they can't organise an effective strike, and that is why they've killed so few Israeli's, not to mention the effective system of warning that Israel has set up. Israel never acts any worse than Gaza, Israel targets known terrorists, Gaza attacks citizens. Admittedly, civilians have died due to Israeli rockets, but that is partly due to the fact that the cowardly terrorists hide among the people, and their sham government can't even set up an effective method of communicating to citizens to get them to safety. I didn't say Israel is more European than Middle Eastern, I said it was a bastion of the west, which it most certainly is. Israel is the only true democracy in the region, it is more developed than most European nations. And no, Lebanon is far less European than Israel, mainly because Israel is part of many European organisations (EBU, UEFA etc.) and have solid diplomatic relations with the west.

Israel is far better than the early Nazi government. The Nazi policy was focused on creating jobs and elevating Germans and discriminating against others. Nazi's banned marriage between non-Jews and Jews, the Kristallnacht, the new Nazi textbooks having things like: "If the state killed x disabled people, how much would it save?" (This was as earl as something like 1935), Jews were blamed for the hyper-inflation of the Wiemar Republic among other things. Israel is completely different, the supposed discriminated ethnic groups (I assume you mean the Arabs) even have a schooling system of their own (if they choose to use it) were they are taught in Arabic and receive an Muslim education. Israel has a problem with Palestine, not any ethnic groups.

Cro It seems you know too little to be taken wholly seriously on this issue, like I previously said, Palestine has fired way more than "like a 100 rockets". It seems you want to see Palestine as a state just for the sake of a new country, and while I usually take this stance (in the case of the West Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Kosovo etc.) I don't here, as Palestine isn't stable and doesn't deserve recognition. I also don't think the Israeli government's biggest concern is getting a Nobel Peace Prize, nor do I think any nation strives for a Nobel Peace Prize for that matter.
Medi I agree with you, Palestine should be recognised when it has a new leader - a stable leader, not a terrorist, as it stands, no, not at all. I also don't agree with Israel building on the west bank, but that's another matter.

Okay, I'll post no more on Israel unless someone says something outrageous, perhaps we should continue through other means :'p

[Euskirribakondara]

Okay, this is my last one, I have just posted once about the subject.

Israel never acts any worse than Gaza, Israel targets known terrorists, Gaza attacks citizens. Admittedly, civilians have died due to Israeli rockets, but that is partly due to the fact that the cowardly terrorists hide among the people, and their sham government can't even set up an effective method of communicating to citizens to get them to safety.

Yes, it sounds so pretty and everything. But it ain't like this. It is true Israel tries to target terrorists, but they're so amazingly stupid that they think no civilian will get hurt when they've invaded and surrounded Gaza and the West Bank enough to make it a hellhole. Even if they had the information (which they generally do), they cannot escape anywhere. Put it this way... It's like Palestine was the Vatican and Israel was Rome. If a rocket is fired towards the Saint Peter Basilica it will of course affect everyone nearby... Which is like 80% of the territory. If there's no space, how are you even supposed to escape??? And about the communication. Again. If Israel keeps blocking Palestine enough so they don't have the same technology as the rest of the world, how could they even set up a communication system?

And no, Lebanon is far less European than Israel, mainly because Israel is part of many European organisations (EBU, UEFA etc.) and have solid diplomatic relations with the west.

You want to know why they have solid relations with the west? Because it is impossible for them to behave with the Arab countries and viceversa. Israel was originally in the AFC but the Arabs refused to play with them, and Father Europe felt the need of including them in the UEFA. Otherwise Israel would be stuck. It's not that they're European (because they are NOT)....... It is that Europe is still hurt about the Shoah, and would feel very guilty if they had to deal with a Jewish-issue again. So, they came and saved Israel.... Even when socially, historically, linguistically and culturally there's no strong reason to do so.

And I don't think it is much of a "light" in the Middle East. My cousin was questioned for hours when he reached the Israeli border.... I don't think that'd ever happen in another country. One thing is safety procedures, and another one is total paranoia (I don't blame them, but I take that as an argument to show that they're not so OHMYGOD as you're putting them). On the other hand, I'd never picture France kicking out Swiss peoples from Genève in order to build fancy houses for their peoples. And the Israeli Arabs are not that happy either..... I've spoken to several of them, and they always complain about discrimination. Even if de jure Israel protects equity.

P.S.: Yes, I'm against the Israeli government and the false picture that it is a great nation. But don't take me for a Palestinian terrorist either. I just don't have anything to add about Palestine, but I loved rambling on about what you're saying about Israel.

[Yakostan]

So much for getting back on topic

[Swilatia]

How about Austria, Hungary, Slovenia?

Yes, you're right. Let it be 'Western Slavic countries'

Yeah, none of those this year I guess. Anyway, I think Slovakia thought about pulling out last year... and the year before... I was hoping that if they did well this time, maybe Czech Republic and Poland would come back. So much for that... Maybe now if Hungary win... nah, what are the chances that will happen?

[Mediterra]

Lebanon, and most North African countries, are part of the EBU. Remember when they tried to debut in 2005?

There is some truth in what Phoen and Euski said. Until now I still don't understand why the Arabs hate Israel that much. And the West Bank seems to be peaceful, it's Gaza that we see in the news often. I'd suppose they need one joint leader. And like Phoen said, it better not be an anti-semitic terrorist. Someone like Yasser Ararat (it was rumoured his death was caused by one of his oppositions in his own country - I can't clarify that).

Now, the word 'terrorist' here refers to it's government, not the people of Palestine (Yes, some of them may be throwing stones at rockets, but that's another thing).

So basically, Israel has some problems, Palestine has some problems, and they affect each other in some way, in some cases even significantly; and they should try to solve their problems in order to create peace.

Religion only has very little relation with the conflict. Just because one side is majorly Jewish and the other is Arab doesn't mean it's religious (Yes, Arab - not muslim). This is where the stereotype comes in. A stereotype that even muslims elsewhere use, though not consciously.

This is how my views and opinions are formed -with facts, and not just bias.

Now, I think something must be done so that the Arabs do want to participate along with Israel.

[Anollasia]

If I become some kind of musician, all the songs I wrote belong to me. Okay?

[Anollasia]

Btw, I'm almost done with my song, I might post it tomorrow.

[Mediterra]

If I become some kind of musician, all the songs I wrote belong to me. Okay?

...what do you mean?

I once asked this question: "If I become a songwriter and one of my sogns is popular, would it still count as my original song or would I have to rewrite the lyrics?
To which Chenk responded: The chances of that happening is low...

Didn't quote from the original post, couldn't find it, but that's pretty much what was said.

The question is still left unanswered, I'd like to know the answer to this. Anyone?

[Crolacia]

I finished my song, but now I just need to write the performance

[Folkand]

Yes, you're right. Let it be 'Western Slavic countries'

Yeah, none of those this year I guess. Anyway, I think Slovakia thought about pulling out last year... and the year before... I was hoping that if they did well this time, maybe Czech Republic and Poland would come back. So much for that... Maybe now if Hungary win... nah, what are the chances that will happen?

Oh, Hungarian entries are really good every year, but they are sometimes underrated, but I cross my fingers!

[Swilatia]

The Hungarian entry was actually my 2nd favourite in 2011, but I guess the live performance pretty much killed it. Still, they deserved to be in the final, and probably a higher placing than they actually got.

[Lymantatia]

I thought your 14th language was the one based on Malay...

I thought so too..... But I'd prefer having the Native American first. And the 15th (final one)... Will have "Malay/Indonesian/Tagalog" as one of the options. The others are "Lithuanian/Latvian", "Estonian/Finnish/Hungarian", "Xhosa/Zulu", "Nahuatl/Mayan languages", "Papiamento/Palenquero/Creoles (French-based and English-based)", "Turkish/Azerbaijani/Kazakh/Kyrgyz/Mongolian/Korean", "Chinese/Tibetan/Thai", "German/Dutch" and "Pashto/Farsi/Latin".

I think I might decide that through a poll or something.

Is that for your new puppet?

[Swilatia]

Well, now that the first few entry have been chosen, it's time for rankings!

1) Belarus

...and that's it so far. Well, it's better than what they chose last year, with... the same singer. I wonder if she'll get disqualified again.

[Kishrael]

Well, now that the first few entry have been chosen, it's time for rankings!

1) Belarus

...and that's it so far. Well, it's better than what they chose last year, with... the same singer. I wonder if she'll get disqualified again.

I actually quite like it, good luck to her, and let's hope she's not disqualified this time.

[Anollasia]

I finally posted. Sorry for the bad performance, I was drawn a blank. Anyway, what do you think?

[Swilatia]

Methinks you should stop sending Queen every. single. time!

[Anollasia]

Methinks you should stop sending Queen every. single. time!

What other time did I do that?