WorldVision Song Contest 24 Signups/National Finals

[Kishrael]

I thought Israel attacked Palestine to gain land. At least, that's what I heard. Many times.

Yes, I totally agree with you. It is democracy and everything. BUT, it doesn't mean they can bomb cities and kill innocent people with their rockets! And the nation of Palestine has every right to exist because if I'm not wrong in 1967(?) Israel occupied their territorry. So aye.

In 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike on Egypt and its allies as Egypt were making preparations to take Israel as they viewed it as an illgeitimate state (after Israel whooped them in 1948-49 in the independence war - which saw Israel rightfully claim all the land they were owed in the original League of Nations mandate). They occupied the Gaza strip, Golan Heights, Sinai and the West Bank (they later gave back the Sinai peninsular).

[Polkopia]

So... Slovakia isn't going to be in Eurovision 2013...

[Crolacia]

I thought Israel attacked Palestine to gain land. At least, that's what I heard. Many times.

Yes, I totally agree with you. It is democracy and everything. BUT, it doesn't mean they can bomb cities and kill innocent people with their rockets! And the nation of Palestine has every right to exist because if I'm not wrong in 1967(?) Israel occupied their territorry. So aye.

In 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike on Egypt and its allies as Egypt were making preparations to take Israel as they viewed it as an illgeitimate state (after Israel whooped them in 1948-49 in the independence war - which saw Israel rightfully claim all the land they were owed in the original League of Nations mandate). They occupied the Gaza strip, Golan Heights, Sinai and the West Bank (they later gave back the Sinai peninsular).

But still, that land is not thier and I'm looking foward to seeing a independent country of Palestine in the future. Why is Israel making fuss about it after all they invaded that land?!

[Anollasia]

In 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike on Egypt and its allies as Egypt were making preparations to take Israel as they viewed it as an illgeitimate state (after Israel whooped them in 1948-49 in the independence war - which saw Israel rightfully claim all the land they were owed in the original League of Nations mandate). They occupied the Gaza strip, Golan Heights, Sinai and the West Bank (they later gave back the Sinai peninsular).

But still, that land is not thier and I'm looking foward to seeing a independent country of Palestine in the future. Why is Israel making fuss about it after all they invaded that land?!

I'm with you.

So... Slovakia isn't going to be in Eurovision 2013...

I know how you feel. Turkey wasn't in ESC for 2010.

[Kishrael]

In 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike on Egypt and its allies as Egypt were making preparations to take Israel as they viewed it as an illgeitimate state (after Israel whooped them in 1948-49 in the independence war - which saw Israel rightfully claim all the land they were owed in the original League of Nations mandate). They occupied the Gaza strip, Golan Heights, Sinai and the West Bank (they later gave back the Sinai peninsular).

But still, that land is not thier and I'm looking foward to seeing a independent country of Palestine in the future. Why is Israel making fuss about it after all they invaded that land?!

Israel is making a fuss because the original League of Nations mandate gave them more land than the 2nd UN mandate (I believe). Also, the Arab nations planned to destroy Israel, that's why. There's no point in creating a state for the sake of it, it should be viable. I don't see why you would 'look forward' to a dangerous state such as Palestine becoming a proper state, which, as the situation stands, shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Anyway...

So... Slovakia isn't going to be in Eurovision 2013...

Can't say I blame them, although they weren't too bad, I liked their entries for 2010 and 2011.

I know how you feel. Turkey wasn't in ESC for 2010.

Yes they were, they came 2nd.

[Crolacia]

But still, that land is not thier and I'm looking foward to seeing a independent country of Palestine in the future. Why is Israel making fuss about it after all they invaded that land?!

Israel is making a fuss because the original League of Nations mandate gave them more land than the 2nd UN mandate (I believe). Also, the Arab nations planned to destroy Israel, that's why. There's no point in creating a state for the sake of it, it should be viable. I don't see why you would 'look forward' to a dangerous state such as Palestine becoming a proper state, which, as the situation stands, shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Anyway...

So... Slovakia isn't going to be in Eurovision 2013...

Can't say I blame them, although they weren't too bad, I liked their entries for 2010 and 2011.

I know how you feel. Turkey wasn't in ESC for 2010.

Yes they were, they came 2nd.

Palestine isn't dangerous. Oh please Hamas shot few rockets and didn't kill anyone, but Israel shot 100 rockets and killled 100 people. But yes I agree that Arab nations mustn't destroy Israel as it is a totally independent country.

[Anollasia]

But still, that land is not thier and I'm looking foward to seeing a independent country of Palestine in the future. Why is Israel making fuss about it after all they invaded that land?!

Israel is making a fuss because the original League of Nations mandate gave them more land than the 2nd UN mandate (I believe). Also, the Arab nations planned to destroy Israel, that's why. There's no point in creating a state for the sake of it, it should be viable. I don't see why you would 'look forward' to a dangerous state such as Palestine becoming a proper state, which, as the situation stands, shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Anyway...

So... Slovakia isn't going to be in Eurovision 2013...

Can't say I blame them, although they weren't too bad, I liked their entries for 2010 and 2011.

I know how you feel. Turkey wasn't in ESC for 2010.

Yes they were, they came 2nd.

No wait, actually I think they weren't in 2011.

[Venasta]

No wait, actually I think they weren't in 2011.

Yes they were. They didn't qualify for the Grand Final though.

[Kishrael]

Palestine isn't dangerous. Oh please Hamas shot few rockets and didn't kill anyone, but Israel shot 100 rockets and killled 100 people. But yes I agree that Arab nations mustn't destroy Israel as it is a totally independent country.

A few? Please Cro, they've fired 2256 this year, there's a whole wiki page for them in just 2012. Palestinian rockets have killed 44 Israeli citizens and injured 1687 (this doesn't include the new strikes this year). And the civilian loss of life in Palestine is because cowardly terrorists hide among their own to protect themselves.

No wait, actually I think they weren't in 2011.

Yep, they were in 2011, they didn't qualify for the final.

[Bloodbath Generation]

Portugal, Poland and Slovakia withdrew, with Greece and Cyprus on the edge...this is going to be one of the smallest Eurovision contests in a while. Junior Eurovision may even be cancelled (I don't mind, but...)

[Venasta]

Portugal, Poland and Slovakia withdrew, with Greece and Cyprus on the edge...this is going to be one of the smallest Eurovision contests in a while. Junior Eurovision may even be cancelled (I don't mind, but...)

I'm not sure about Greece and Cyprus because I know Cyprus thought about doing it last year, but they (obviously) didn't. So they may still be pulling the same crap that they did last year...

Besides, Eleftheria Eleftheriou (The Greek singer of ESC2012) urged Cyprus and Greece to participate, so I'd think that they would be more or less forced to in that matter.

[Anollasia]

No wait, actually I think they weren't in 2011.

Yes they were. They didn't qualify for the Grand Final though.

That's what I meant.

[Euskirribakondara]

Regarding JESC

I made a full coverage of the contest in my facebook page, if some of you saw. I agree with Ukraine winning, but based on her performance that night. I didn't like the song before the show, it looked so bad, so fake, so rhythm-less. But that night, Anastasiya was AWESOME <3 <3 <3

I loved that Georgia came 2nd, I don't know why (and don't judge me) but I always like their crazy, upbeat (yet vocally nice) songs. "Funky Lemonade" was actually my pre-show favourite.

I always had confidence on Armenia, and it rocked to see them coming 3rd. They gave a very good performance that night, and the song overall was also good, taking into account it's something you'd never see in JESC.

About Israel.... I looved the song as well. My 2nd favourite pre-show, but the echo effects in the mics combined with a bit of nervousness of the kids messed up the song. In the final night, I said "okay, this won't win". And it came 7th.

Russia's song was my 3rd favourite, and taking into account voting patterns I thought Lerika would win. But she killed the song adding that English (if we can call it that) part at the end. It sounded MUCH better in Russian. And I guess... She was a bit too self-confident. She was even kind of angry during the voting when she was not at the top.

Albania, everyone knew she'd come last, surrounded by Belarus and Moldova. The Albanian spokesperson was just like the song.... TOOOOOTALLY LOST!

It did surprise me that Azerbaijan came so bad (11th of 12).... But I feel it's just kind of justice. Those 12 points to Albania and 10 points to Moldova sounded a bit too much like "let's vote for the bad ones so we can win". And I LOOOOL'ed when Albania sounded like Armenia.

I'm afraid this could have been the last one... But I'm glad some of my favourite countries, Armenia and Georgia, always did so well.

Regarding Israel

I'm not against Israeli people. Actually they're awesome; and so are the Palestinians.

But I HATE both governments. One is a bunch of bureaucrats controlled by terrorists (Palestine) and the other one is a genocide government who does not remember the Shoah and thinks the best way to solve conflicts is killing innocent civilians and closing their borders so they starve to death and give up their last remaining territories (Israel).

Sorry if this sounds a bit too, let's call it "cruel".... But sometimes I think Israel can be even worse than Nazi Germany (on its first stages).

[Grittonia]

Shall we stop about Israel? Let's face it, both sides are both wrong in one way or another, as always in conflicts, and either way: This is a thread for a song contest not for a political discussion.

[Swilatia]

The League of Nations never gave "Israel" anything. Seriously, take that crap elsewhere, it has nothing to do with WorldVision or even music in general...

[Lymantatia]

The League of Nations never gave "Israel" anything. Seriously, take that crap elsewhere, it has nothing to do with WorldVision or even music in general...

So Swilster, you withdrew from WV24 on me, but we'll see you in WV25, but promise not to withdraw on me.

[Swilatia]

Yeah, I am planning to return for WorldVision 25... whenever that comes along.

[Polkopia]

I think the Russian entry was great, but I think the girl was a bit cocky, like Euski said, and she even seemed like kind of a whore at such a young age. She was winking every two seconds, and... her dancing at certain points was a bit too... adult for someone her age...

[Bloodbath Generation]

My thoughts on JESC 2012:

Belarus- A bit annoying, but could be worse. Deserved its place.
Sweden- Another song too mature for Junior. I was pleasantly surprised with how well it did, however.
Azerbaijan- Nice to see Azeri in the contest. Really catchy, maybe a couple places higher, but definetly no top 5 material.
Belgium- Middle-of-the road pop song, something right off a Disney soundtrack. Glad it did well.
Russia- I never really liked it, and she seemed so cocky and confident that she would win. Didn't turn into votes in the end.
Israel- A bit dated, kinda overrated by fans. But glad they came, and the strongest debut IMO this year.
Albania- ...well, it's better than the NF for sure!
Armenia- Surprised it went so well, but it was quite good. Deserved a top 5, maybe not top 3.
Ukraine- Unique song, with an undeniable haunting quality, andthe strongest vocals this edition. Great winner!
Georgia- Not that far from previous entries, but they still made it work. Harmonies were a bit off, but 2nd is still great!
Moldova- If the last verses weren't in English, I would've loved it. Nice happy song.
Netherlands- Deserved its place. Professional but boring and dated. Some retro songs work, some don't. This one didn't, sadly.


And Polk: I've seen a lot more...risque dancing (maybe I went a bit overboard myself...anyways ) at school dances and such, but yes, there was a little "I'm the winner don't even try now" vibe coming from her. 4th was deserved.

[Kingsley Bedford]

Portugal, Poland and Slovakia withdrew, with Greece and Cyprus on the edge...this is going to be one of the smallest Eurovision contests in a while. Junior Eurovision may even be cancelled (I don't mind, but...)

No way? Really cancelling JESC?

[Swilatia]

I can't say I'm surprised with Slovakia pulling out. Still disappointed, but seeing how they almost pulled out last year, and ended up getting last place in their SF, they can't really feel like they have much of a reason to stay around. Hopefully they'll be back next year, along with Poland and the others...

Cyprus are listed as confirmed participants, but I don't think a Czech blog is the best source...

BTW, anybody know when the Azeri selection is starting? Usually the crappy ESC covers already start pouring in by now... perhaps they've finally realised just how pointless it is to go through all that, just to have Sweden write their song in the end.

[Yakostan]

Back on topic...

The contest is going REALLY slowly guys

[Euskirribakondara]

BTW, anybody know when the Azeri selection is starting? Usually the crappy ESC covers already start pouring in by now... perhaps they've finally realised just how pointless it is to go through all that, just to have Sweden write their song in the end.

Don't make me remember how they killed Molitva and S'Il Fallait Le Faire. But.... Milli Secim Turu does not start usually but until January.

[Calimera I]

Israel is making a fuss because the original League of Nations mandate gave them more land than the 2nd UN mandate (I believe). Also, the Arab nations planned to destroy Israel, that's why. There's no point in creating a state for the sake of it, it should be viable. I don't see why you would 'look forward' to a dangerous state such as Palestine becoming a proper state, which, as the situation stands, shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Anyway...



Can't say I blame them, although they weren't too bad, I liked their entries for 2010 and 2011.



Yes they were, they came 2nd.

Palestine isn't dangerous. Oh please Hamas shot few rockets and didn't kill anyone, but Israel shot 100 rockets and killled 100 people. But yes I agree that Arab nations mustn't destroy Israel as it is a totally independent country.

FALSE! Hamas did shot more then 8500 rockets these 4 months. And they actually did killed people. What would you do if you were Israel? Yea, I would attack Hamas back, because they are yerrorists! (:

[Chenkorya]

Okay, this will be the last post about the Israel thing.

Phoenigetuzstha is talking like Israel is heaven on earth, and like it's the most amazing and most friendly nation that there has ever been, and like Palestine is a horrible bad boy who kills thousands of Israeli people.

Well, let me tell you, that is not true. Israel is totally not heaven on earth, I would never like to be an Israeli (f.e.: every boy or girl has to go into the army as a soldier, whether they want it or not, for quite a long time. That's horrible imo.). Maybe Gaza has send thousands of rockets but they haven't killed a lot of people at all. When Gaza kills 1 person, Israel kills 50. It was Palestine who started the conflict, but that was because of something Israel had done.

Anyway, Phoen, Israel is more Middle Eastern than European, definitely. The way they behave in this conflict is already a prove of that: they behave like any other nation would do, and the way that not a single European nation would behave. It's just as European as, for example, Lebanon: and I can know that Israel is not European at all because I've been there twice.

And Calimera, what you said is just nonsense.


And about the Slovakia thing: I remember they withdrew before. Didn't they withdraw in 2011 and 2012 as well?