International Coalition for Expansion (MT signup)

[New Edom]

I think while we are gearing up for that rp we should have a general structure for ICE peacekeeping operations. I'd like to recommend that players fulfill the following roles to make things simple.

1. A field commander.(will draw up a general operational plan, be kept up to date on what each contingent is doing, make reports directly to ICE, command overall operations)
2. A deputy field commander. (assists field commander, acts in his absence)
3. a director of humanitarian operations

It would also be helpful to have contingents organized according to branches and areas of operation. When we have a map this will be easier, but if we do things this way then there will be an inherent connection between the player nations and things will be less confusing and more efficient.

I've always been in favour of maintaining individual, national militaries. In the event of a conflict, these militaries can be controlled by a war council consisting of officers from each military. In my opinion, this allows for a faster, more forceful and more flexible response in the event of a crisis. That's my point of view, anyway.

I've never seen any evidence of this. What I have seen, particularly on NS, is the enormous difficulty of war councils or just representatives of nations coordinating anything. I've seen national contingents bumping into one another going to the same places on maps, failing to deploy effectively, lack of a general understanding of rules of engagement, and ultimately the alliances really just being a collection of individual nations with a vague approach towards the same goals.

[Alexiandra]

I've always been in favour of maintaining individual, national militaries. In the event of a conflict, these militaries can be controlled by a war council consisting of officers from each military. In my opinion, this allows for a faster, more forceful and more flexible response in the event of a crisis. That's my point of view, anyway.

I've never seen any evidence of this. What I have seen, particularly on NS, is the enormous difficulty of war councils or just representatives of nations coordinating anything. I've seen national contingents bumping into one another going to the same places on maps, failing to deploy effectively, lack of a general understanding of rules of engagement, and ultimately the alliances really just being a collection of individual nations with a vague approach towards the same goals.

Equally though, I've seen organisations taking days to mobilise a single army and quite often nations rebel against the chosen supreme commander.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=205088

[The Free Monarchy of Daragal]

I agree, I think it is much better to have a clearly defined chain of command, with one person at the top. That way we can clearly coordinate our war efforts without the possiblity of each nation doing their own thing and messing it up.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

I agree, I think it is much better to have a clearly defined chain of command, with one person at the top. That way we can clearly coordinate our war efforts without the possiblity of each nation doing their own thing and messing it up.

Well, we could use my thing. (Look at the link) And make them regimental commissars.

[Ralkovia]

In Ralkovia, Islam isn't permitted do to the fact that they have their own client nation within Ralkovia known as Devetna. With nearly 90% of those living in Devetna supporting the political spread of Islam, Ralkovia has not permitted them to expand into traditional Ralkovia.

[Phonencia]

In Ralkovia, Islam isn't permitted do to the fact that they have their own client nation within Ralkovia known as Devetna. With nearly 90% of those living in Devetna supporting the political spread of Islam, Ralkovia has not permitted them to expand into traditional Ralkovia.

ICE does not object.

I agree, I think it is much better to have a clearly defined chain of command, with one person at the top. That way we can clearly coordinate our war efforts without the possiblity of each nation doing their own thing and messing it up.

So...kinda' like a Supreme Commander
*points at sig*

I've never seen any evidence of this. What I have seen, particularly on NS, is the enormous difficulty of war councils or just representatives of nations coordinating anything. I've seen national contingents bumping into one another going to the same places on maps, failing to deploy effectively, lack of a general understanding of rules of engagement, and ultimately the alliances really just being a collection of individual nations with a vague approach towards the same goals.

Equally though, I've seen organisations taking days to mobilise a single army and quite often nations rebel against the chosen supreme commander.

When ICE coordinates attacks, the nations involved and I typically come up with a plan and decide who will do what then each of us goes and leads our own militaries as planned. If someone fucks up, I yell at them.

I think while we are gearing up for that rp we should have a general structure for ICE peacekeeping operations. I'd like to recommend that players fulfill the following roles to make things simple.

1. A field commander.(will draw up a general operational plan, be kept up to date on what each contingent is doing, make reports directly to ICE, command overall operations)
2. A deputy field commander. (assists field commander, acts in his absence)
3. a director of humanitarian operations

It would also be helpful to have contingents organized according to branches and areas of operation. When we have a map this will be easier, but if we do things this way then there will be an inherent connection between the player nations and things will be less confusing and more efficient.

Virana and I are in charge of Peacekeeping operations as we are (to the best of my knowledge) the most skilled tacticians/strategists in ICE and sort of the de fact military leaders. Saliu is in charge of humanitarian operations but can't really start those until first the military operations and then the peacekeeping operations have concluded.

They better permit the Emprah, or I'm sending in a battle-force.

The Emprah's religion is a suicidal-homicidal death cult that needs to be destroyed immediately...kinda' like Islam

Nation Name: The Grand Old Ralkovian Empire
National Leader: Lord-Emperor-Master Joshua vi Cornelius Raskov the Second, Glorious Emperor of Ralkovia, Emperor of Hamptonshire, Emperor of Rankov, Emperor of Slautan, Emperor of Ralkovian Lisosia, Emperor of Tyrn Island, Emperor of Ashkenon, Emperor of Ashdod, Emperor of Gideon-Eretz, Emperor of Masada, Emperor of Azuli, Emperor of Jerusalem, Emperor of Israel, Chief Rabbi of Judaism, Protector Of The Jews, King of All Israelites, Leader of the Holy Book, Master Author Of The Torah, Religious Exception Among Man Kind, Mirror Image of G-d, Holy Messiah, Duke of Hesrald Bay, Lord-Protector of Master M, Lord-Protector of Northern Emirates, Lord-Protector of Bengera, Lord-Protector of Hobit, Lord-Protector of Monoff, Lord-Protector of Chettsaland, Lord-Protector of Ritteland, Lord-Protector of Milograd, Lord-Protector of East India, Vanquisher of the Muslim Horde, Destroyer of West Tropocico, Annihilator of Northern Storm, Cleanser of Ryanbrum, Exterminator of The Soviet Systems, Obliterator of Crushvilla, Eradicator of Karshkovia, Decimator of Chrismass1, Butcherer of Tuckerton, Blessed of G-d

National/Most Common Religion: Ralkovian Imperial Judaism
Government Form: Absolute Theocratic Monarchy
Military Strength: 230 million
Main Infantry Weapon: Pigror Assault Rifle
Main Battle Tank: Sumerian Timberwolf MCA-E7
Main Fighter Plane: None.
Infantry Calibers Used: 5.56×30mm MINSAS
Military Service Branches:
Ralkovian Imperial Royal Army
Ralkovian Imperial Royal Navy
Ralkovian Imperial Royal Air Force
Ralkovian Royal Colonial Defense Force
The Death Guard(paramilitary/political)
Infantry Body Armor: Ralkovian Royal Army uses kevlar, while the Death Guard use a composite/nanogel mix.
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: Maybe some small usage in foreign theaters.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: The Ascendancy Of Man, Jewish Defense League, Golden Circle, IFA, The Triumvirate.
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: No
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: No.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Northern Ralkovia- Tundra, Middle Ralkovia- Steppe.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: Ralkovia does not permit Islam or Sikhism inside the nation.

You don't permit Islam? Ouch.

Quoting the charter...
"Member nations of the International Coalition for Expansion to have a set of responsibilities and principles for society:
◦Allow the freedom to practice any non-violent religion, such as, but not limited to, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Sihkism and Hinduism;"

lol, Virana is a muslim and ICE's Executive Commander bruh.

DENIED
As he stated, your national policies are not in line with the ICE Charter.

Something the ICE peace-keepers will never be.

Its true...

Peacekeepers aren't soldiers though...
Soldiers are soldiers and ICE has pleeeenty of soldiers...

I was given the impression by another person that when two nations are based off of america that it's generally accepted that there are just like millions of americas, Europes, and continents in a huge never-ending sea

That was also my understanding. With reference to this article, may I suggest we generally adopt the principal of Fractal Realities? After all, it's about the only thing that makes sense of the multiple universes: if you sail far enough you get to somewhere else.

Or we could keep things simple and not mention or home in on anything contradictory like I do with PWA's year of founding and etc.

-snip-

What about for secured district in a warzone? Would not the Humanitarians be able to help in those secured but struggling areas.

Uh...isn't that what I just said? The Aid Workers don't get deployed until an area is (relatively) safe and secured by Peacekeepers. As long as the place needs some significant aid the Aid Workers will stay. Once the place is capable of making its own repairs and such, the Aid Workers leave. Btw, when present, the Aid Workers should teach the locals how to survive by themselves rather than just spoon feeding them like babies. They need to do shit like, train the locals to farm/garden so they can feed themselves and how to safely catch and filter rain water off of rooftops. Stuff like that. Remember, we only have so much cash to spend on humanitarian aid. We wanna stretch it as far as possible.

[Alexiandra]

I personally don't like the idea of basically doing whatever the ICE upper circle says during a war. Just feels like we have no say in what's going on.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

I personally don't like the idea of basically doing whatever the ICE upper circle says during a war. Just feels like we have no say in what's going on.

If a soldier or general said that in-front of a Commissar, he'd be executed.

[Phonencia]

I personally don't like the idea of basically doing whatever the ICE upper circle says during a war. Just feels like we have no say in what's going on.

That's why we don't do that. Everyone involved gets together and agrees on the plan then occasionally gets redeployed or positioned as needed throughout the conflict. Every military is free to do what it wants but they typically operate as directed to ensure a swift victory. If your military does choose to ignore ICE's directions and it costs the Coalition a major battle it'll likely result in your nation's expulsion from the Coalition though. Peacekeepers are under one command despite being multinational. Everyone contributes something to the Peacekeeping Corps but only a select few are chosen to lead it, mainly because it's not as important or large as ICE's militaries are.

[Alexiandra]

I personally don't like the idea of basically doing whatever the ICE upper circle says during a war. Just feels like we have no say in what's going on.

That's why we don't do that. Everyone involved gets together and agrees on the plan then occasionally gets redeployed or positioned as needed throughout the conflict. Every military is free to do what it wants but they typically operate as directed to ensure a swift victory. If your military does choose to ignore ICE's directions and it costs the Coalition a major battle it'll likely result in your nation's expulsion from the Coalition though. Peacekeepers are under one command despite being multinational. Everyone contributes something to the Peacekeeping Corps but only a select few are chosen to lead it, mainly because it's not as important or large as ICE's militaries are.

I'm still skeptical. I fear the ICE command will basically dominate the plan-making process. I'll have to see how a war plays out.

[Phonencia]

That's why we don't do that. Everyone involved gets together and agrees on the plan then occasionally gets redeployed or positioned as needed throughout the conflict. Every military is free to do what it wants but they typically operate as directed to ensure a swift victory. If your military does choose to ignore ICE's directions and it costs the Coalition a major battle it'll likely result in your nation's expulsion from the Coalition though. Peacekeepers are under one command despite being multinational. Everyone contributes something to the Peacekeeping Corps but only a select few are chosen to lead it, mainly because it's not as important or large as ICE's militaries are.

I'm still skeptical. I fear the ICE command will basically dominate the plan-making process. I'll have to see how a war plays out.

If you have something to add to the plan that isn't fucktarded we'll listen. If not, then your job is to shut up and do your part for the war effort. Otherwise, you can just abstain from conflict.
It really is that simple.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

The Massive Imperium of man listen to Phone?


Whut?


More like, we tell them to."Hold the flanks, please."


Before having the Death Korps, who are fearless hold the fucking line or bayonet charge.

[Virana]

I was given the impression by another person that when two nations are based off of america that it's generally accepted that there are just like millions of americas, Europes, and continents in a huge never-ending sea

That was also my understanding. With reference to this article, may I suggest we generally adopt the principal of Fractal Realities? After all, it's about the only thing that makes sense of the multiple universes: if you sail far enough you get to somewhere else.

I'm also based on the United States. Err... at least my entire culture, history, etc. is but the actual nation itself isn't.

Let's just ignore the IC history part of it like Phonencia said.

The Massive Imperium of man listen to Phone?


Whut?


More like, we tell them to."Hold the flanks, please."


Before having the Death Korps, who are fearless hold the fucking line of bayonet charge.

'Till the line of bayonet charge gets boom-boomed by 120/128 mm tank rounds, 155 mm artillery, 30 mm attack helicopter autocannons, 70 mm Hydra rockets, and 1,000 lb bombs. Then we'll see who's fearless.

In Ralkovia, Islam isn't permitted do to the fact that they have their own client nation within Ralkovia known as Devetna. With nearly 90% of those living in Devetna supporting the political spread of Islam, Ralkovia has not permitted them to expand into traditional Ralkovia.

That's almost like Israel outlawing Islam. I know you're a Zionist, but even Israel is ok with Islam in its borders. That's even with its own "client nation", occupied Palestine, full of extremist-militant Hamas, which openly supports "political spread of Islam". I'm honestly not very convinced.

Anyways, on the humanitarian issue, since most militaries don't show aggression against humanitarians, I think they'll be deployed to a conflict zone first. But very large-scale aid will only be possible once an area's been secured.

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Since it's on my region's news network it's heavily based on regional affairs and events.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

I'm going to give you some info about the Colonies.


Krieg-A radiated hell-hole blasted apart after half of the regiments turned traitor during the Horus Heresy. Afterwards life on Krieg became very little and so, there is no mourning. The soldiers wish to die and stain the ground with their blood in the name of the Emperor, so they do not shy in the face of danger. It's only resource is soldiers. It's regimen names are the Death Korps of Krieg.

Tallarn-A mass colony of sand, it's only resource is soldiers, who are adept at guerilla and fighting in sand. It's regiments are Tallarn Desert fighters.

Slyvia- A colony, which is ruled by the blood drinking "Queen Red." Who rules with a fair hand, it's main exports are tanks and exotic gifts. It's tank regiments are called Vampire Counts.

Vallhalla-A colony of ice and snow, where life is considered little and the simplest of crime is punishable by death. It's regiments are called Ice Warriors.

Oh and the use of a bayonet charge is to scare the enemy and only used when tanks get stuck in mud and horses must be used.

[Virana]

I'm going to give you some info about the Colonies.


Krieg-A radiated hell-hole blasted apart after half of the regiments turned traitor during the Horus Heresy. Afterwards life on Krieg became very little and so, there is no mourning. The soldiers wish to die and stain the ground with their blood in the name of the Emperor, so they do not shy in the face of danger. It's only resource is soldiers. It's regimen names are the Death Korps of Krieg.

Tallarn-A mass colony of sand, it's only resource is soldiers, who are adept at guerilla and fighting in sand. It's regiments are Tallarn Desert fighters.

Slyvia- A colony, which is ruled by the blood drinking "Queen Red." Who rules with a fair hand, it's main exports are tanks and exotic gifts. It's tank regiments are called Vampire Counts.

Vallhalla-A colony of ice and snow, where life is considered little and the simplest of crime is punishable by death. It's regiments are called Ice Warriors.

Oh and the use of a bayonet charge is to scare the enemy and only used when tanks get stuck in mud and horses must be used.

So they won't be scared of the boom-booms. They'll just die of the boom-booms.

And gotcha, since I've never been a 40k fan I never understood how DKK was organized into Imperium of Man. It makes sense now. Btw whatever happened to Origa?

[Finorskia]

Are there any current military actions that we are just now getting involved in.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

The Imperium will keep the name, but it'll be back under Imperial reign.. Plus that's only a quarter of the colonies.

[Virana]

Are there any current military actions that we are just now getting involved in.

(I feel like I'm posting too quick, but oh well.)

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=204504

Little too late though - the RP's pretty stacked by this point. I don't want it to become a clusterfuck war.

The Imperium will keep the name, but it'll be back under Imperial reign.. Plus that's only a quarter of the colonies.

Ah, got it.

[The Free Monarchy of Daragal]

I think I'll wait until the next conflict, unless you want reinforcements later on in this one

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

I'm going to be using trench-warfare in that conflict... So, I hope it rains and turns the battle-field into a muddy hell.

[Finorskia]

Are there any current military actions that we are just now getting involved in.

(I feel like I'm posting too quick, but oh well.)

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=204504

Little too late though - the RP's pretty stacked by this point. I don't want it to become a clusterfuck war.

The Imperium will keep the name, but it'll be back under Imperial reign.. Plus that's only a quarter of the colonies.

Ah, got it.

I posted my backing, but then realized its closed.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=196699&start=825#unread

I feel like steam-rolling them with a army of 1 billion.

[Volgovad]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=196699&start=825#unread

I feel like steam-rolling them with a army of 1 billion.

*reads Orson's post*

"Urge to kill.... Rising."

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

Lol, we should curb-stomp him and Ruski. But they'd end up quitting.