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[East Ormania]

Nation Name: The Allied States of East Ormania
National Leader(s): Prime-Minister Aleksander Yakolev
National/Most Common Religion: Actually 3: Muslim, Spiritualism and Orthodox.
Government Form: Facist-Capitalist Dictatorship
Military Strength: Factbook Regarding Military
Main Infantry Weapon: Ak-74 and M16a2
Main Battle Tank: M60 Patton and T-72
Main Fighter Plane: Mig-23 and Mig-25
Infantry Calibers Used: Both 7.62x39mm Russian and 5.56x45mm NATO.
Military Service Branches:
East Orman Air force/EOAF
East Orman Army/EOA
East Orman Navy/EON
East Orman Coast Guard/EOCG
Infantry Body Armor: Kevlar-Plated Bulletproof vests and Helmets
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: No doubt
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: N/A
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: OM$40,0000 (Equivalent to USD$ 10,000)
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: No.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: High Mountains and Pine Forests.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We are willing to take part in EVERY operation.

[Finorskia]

Nation Name: The Allied States of East Ormania
National Leader(s): Prime-Minister Aleksander Yakolev
National/Most Common Religion: Actually 3: Muslim, Spiritualism and Orthodox.
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.): Facist-Capitalist Dictatorship
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one):Factbook Regarding Military
Main Infantry Weapon: Ak-74 and M16a2
Main Battle Tank: M60 Patton and T-72
Main Fighter Plane: Mig-23 and Mig-25
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.): Both 7.62x39mm Russian and 5.56x45mm NATO.
Military Service Branches:
East Orman Air force/EOAF
East Orman Army/EOA
East Orman Navy/EON
East Orman Coast Guard/EOCG
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Kevlar-Plated Bulletproof vests and Helmets
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: No doubt
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: N/A
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations): OM$40,0000 (Equivalent to USD$ 10,000)
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) No.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.)Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: High Mountains and Pine Forests.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We are willing to take part in EVERY operation.

My word probably means nothing, but I doubt you are going to be excepted due to the fact that your nation is a fascist dictatorship.

[East Ormania]

Nation Name: The Allied States of East Ormania
National Leader(s): Prime-Minister Aleksander Yakolev
National/Most Common Religion: Actually 3: Muslim, Spiritualism and Orthodox.
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.): Facist-Capitalist Dictatorship
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one):Factbook Regarding Military
Main Infantry Weapon: Ak-74 and M16a2
Main Battle Tank: M60 Patton and T-72
Main Fighter Plane: Mig-23 and Mig-25
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.): Both 7.62x39mm Russian and 5.56x45mm NATO.
Military Service Branches:
East Orman Air force/EOAF
East Orman Army/EOA
East Orman Navy/EON
East Orman Coast Guard/EOCG
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Kevlar-Plated Bulletproof vests and Helmets
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: No doubt
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: N/A
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations): OM$40,0000 (Equivalent to USD$ 10,000)
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) No.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.)Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: High Mountains and Pine Forests.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We are willing to take part in EVERY operation.

My word probably means nothing, but I doubt you are going to be excepted due to the fact that your nation is a fascist dictatorship.

The word fascist here only means that we highly encourage nationalism, other stuff like "OBEY US OTHERWISE CONSIDER YOURSELF DEAD" (by that i mean we aren't rough on people) doesn't apply to my nation.
We give them every right they need, except political rights (just like a monarchy).

[Virana]

God dammit Finorskia, the screwups with the size of the posts were caused by your post here (note how your sig's not visible). When I replied to it the very next post, I fixed it. Here's what you did wrong: when you put Phone's image in a spoiler, you closed the spoiler tag after you closed the quote tag. Hence the screwup.

Now every post in this thread after it is, at least for me (Mac OSX 10.6.8, Firefox 12 or something), awkwardly sized and stuff. I suggest you fix it to stop this, and that goes for anyone else who quoted that post as well.

(if it's not messed up on anyone else's screen, I must be seeing things.)

Looks like it fixed itself on the page flip. Nevermind — ignore the quote above. Don't matter anymore.

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Nation Name: The Allied States of East Ormania
National Leader(s): Prime-Minister Aleksander Yakolev
National/Most Common Religion: Actually 3: Muslim, Spiritualism and Orthodox.
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.): Facist-Capitalist Dictatorship
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one):Factbook Regarding Military
Main Infantry Weapon: Ak-74 and M16a2
Main Battle Tank: M60 Patton and T-72
Main Fighter Plane: Mig-23 and Mig-25
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.): Both 7.62x39mm Russian and 5.56x45mm NATO.
Military Service Branches:
East Orman Air force/EOAF
East Orman Army/EOA
East Orman Navy/EON
East Orman Coast Guard/EOCG
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Kevlar-Plated Bulletproof vests and Helmets
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: No doubt
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: N/A
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations): OM$40,0000 (Equivalent to USD$ 10,000)
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.) No.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.)Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: High Mountains and Pine Forests.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We are willing to take part in EVERY operation.

Hello, as executive commander of ICE it's my job to give you feedback on your application, although it is not my authority to accept or deny you (that's Phonencia's job). However, my statement will give you perspective on how your application was prior to Phonencia's call.

First of all, as with several other new applicants, you missed the section on the OP that reads "[note: erase the notes in parentheses when filling out your app or it will be DENIED.]" You didn't erase those parentheses. Secondly, as Finorskia said, your government is a self-proclaimed fascist dictatorship (that runs on capitalist economy) and you're applying to an alliance that holds civil rights and liberties as an utmost priority. Dictatorships (mostly the oppressive ones) and other tyrannical governments are generally looked down upon by the alliance as a whole.

Also, using 7.62 Soviet and 5.56 NATO is sorta almost paradoxical and a major tax to your logistics system. Idk if RL nations do that or not but if they do, it's because they're switching from the 7.62 to 5.56 or they're using 5.56 as a special forces cartridge. Also, you said yo use 7.62x39mm Soviet yet your main weapon is the AK-74; the AK-74 is 5.45x39mm Russian weapon, not 7.62. The M16A2 is indeed 5.56. However, nations rarely switch from 5.45 to 5.56 since their performance is so similar and it's so expensive to switch. Most countries go from 7.62 mm (NATO or Russian) to either 5.45 or 5.56 depending on which caliber weapons are deemed more suitable. Generally western nations and their allies opt for 5.56 while former Soviet nations and their allies opt for 5.45.

I haven't examined your RPing yet (since that's pretty essential) so I can't judge you on that at this point.

(btw, monarchies can have political freedoms, a la United Kingdom which is a constitutional monarchy)

I honestly don't see how fascism = nationalism. America highly encourages nationalism, has very significant patriotism, but Americans shudder at the word fascist. Fascism = dictatorship. From what you've said I can see you're probably a moderate dictatorship, but idk for sure.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

I say we hold a "Feast of blades."


Where a chosen champion/champions fight for your countries honour in gladiator likes battles.


Don't worry, no one will die.

[East Ormania]

Snip*

Again, were not actually facist.
Were just like a monarchy but with a leader that calls himself both Prime-Minister and Dictactor, and the only thing about fascist is that we are a dictatorship that encourages nationalism. As of other stuff, were just like another RL "good" nations.
(also another good reason is that i completely hate having to do all democratical RPs. It's way more simple and fun to do just as if my nation's leader had authority over everything. But if needed, i can change to democracy at any time.)

As of the parentheses, i completely forgot and i will get on that soon. EDIT: Solved. If i missed anything let me know.

As of the mixed military equipment, were still jumping from one to another (i had the explanation on my sig, i had to erase).
Think of it as a baltic nation, such as a mix of the former Yugoslavia, and as if we were having economical difficulties thet are large enough to stop us from completing our military transition from Soviet equipment to NATO equipment.

I also am not Facist RL, but i don't think that counts.
An Ancient Grudge MT RP is a perfect example of how i was beggining to do awesome badass RP(i won't talk like that again ), but it fell into the abyss of complete denial of bumps.
Also another one is Minenan Civil War, that fell down due to lack of bumps.

[Virana]

Again, were not actually facist.
Were just like a monarchy but with a leader that calls himself both Prime-Minister and Dictactor, and the only thing about fascist is that we are a dictatorship that encourages nationalism. As of other stuff, were just like another RL "good" nations.
(also another good reason is that i completely hate having to do all democratical RPs. It's way more simple and fun to do just as if my nation's leader had authority over everything. But if needed, i can change to democracy at any time.)

As of the parentheses, i completely forgot and i will get on that soon.

As of the mixed military equipment, were still jumping from one to another (i had the explanation on my sig, i had to erase).
Think of it as a baltic nation, such as a mix of the former Yugoslavia, and as if we were having economical difficulties thet are large enough to stop us from completing our military transition from Soviet equipment to NATO equipment.

I also am not Facist RL, but i don't think that counts.
An Grudge MT RP is a perfect example of how i was beggining to do awesome badass RP(i won't talk like that again ), but it fell into the abyss of complete denial of bumps.
Also another one is Minenan Civil War, that fell down due to lack of bumps.

Don't worry, we don't care how you talk. We all (or at least most of us) have a very colorful fucking vocabulary. Anyways, we'll see what Phonencia says. Also, if you want complete control there's always totalitarian democracy, which I often advocate particularly for people who want a dictatorship without suppressing rights.

Anyways, to the rest of ICE, here's an example of retarded warmongers. A bunch of nations are attacking a country because that country banned Internet. An invasion because they banned Internet. Ugh.... (no offense to any ICE nations that may be taking part )

[East Ormania]

Again, were not actually facist.
Were just like a monarchy but with a leader that calls himself both Prime-Minister and Dictactor, and the only thing about fascist is that we are a dictatorship that encourages nationalism. As of other stuff, were just like another RL "good" nations.
(also another good reason is that i completely hate having to do all democratical RPs. It's way more simple and fun to do just as if my nation's leader had authority over everything. But if needed, i can change to democracy at any time.)

As of the parentheses, i completely forgot and i will get on that soon.

As of the mixed military equipment, were still jumping from one to another (i had the explanation on my sig, i had to erase).
Think of it as a baltic nation, such as a mix of the former Yugoslavia, and as if we were having economical difficulties thet are large enough to stop us from completing our military transition from Soviet equipment to NATO equipment.

I also am not Facist RL, but i don't think that counts.
An Grudge MT RP is a perfect example of how i was beggining to do awesome badass RP(i won't talk like that again ), but it fell into the abyss of complete denial of bumps.
Also another one is Minenan Civil War, that fell down due to lack of bumps.

Don't worry, we don't care how you talk. We all (or at least most of us) have a very colorful fucking vocabulary. Anyways, we'll see what Phonencia says. Also, if you want complete control there's always totalitarian democracy, which I often advocate particularly for people who want a dictatorship without suppressing rights.

Anyways, to the rest of ICE, here's an example of retarded warmongers. A bunch of nations are attacking a country because that country banned Internet. An invasion because they banned Internet. Ugh.... (no offense to any ICE nations that may be taking part )

I jumped there expecting a good RP like "we ask that you retrieve your citizens back their right of freedom and blah blah bla"
But i got rather disappointed.

[Glaswegistan]

Anyways, to the rest of ICE, here's an example of retarded warmongers. A bunch of nations are attacking a country because that country banned Internet. An invasion because they banned Internet. Ugh.... (no offense to any ICE nations that may be taking part )

All fairness to me in this; I'm not invading anything at the moment, and am only liable to get involved in a military context because of unwarranted attacks on refugees (Human rights abuse), attacks on the forces of other sovereign nations attempting to evacuate refugees or attacks on Glaswegistani forces involved in the evacuation of refugees.

We've got to save those potential worke- I mean, those poor, poor refugees...

[Erucia]

Also, using 7.62 Soviet and 5.56 NATO is sorta almost paradoxical and a major tax to your logistics system. Idk if RL nations do that or not but if they do, it's because they're switching from the 7.62 to 5.56 or they're using 5.56 as a special forces cartridge. Also, you said yo use 7.62x39mm Soviet yet your main weapon is the AK-74; the AK-74 is 5.45x39mm Russian weapon, not 7.62. The M16A2 is indeed 5.56. However, nations rarely switch from 5.45 to 5.56 since their performance is so similar and it's so expensive to switch. Most countries go from 7.62 mm (NATO or Russian) to either 5.45 or 5.56 depending on which caliber weapons are deemed more suitable. Generally western nations and their allies opt for 5.56 while former Soviet nations and their allies opt for 5.45.

Some nations do use both calibers (a la Royal Moroccan Army), but it's not common.

Again, were not actually facist.
Were just like a monarchy but with a leader that calls himself both Prime-Minister and Dictactor, and the only thing about fascist is that we are a dictatorship that encourages nationalism. As of other stuff, were just like another RL "good" nations.
(also another good reason is that i completely hate having to do all democratical RPs. It's way more simple and fun to do just as if my nation's leader had authority over everything. But if needed, i can change to democracy at any time.)

As of the parentheses, i completely forgot and i will get on that soon. EDIT: Solved. If i missed anything let me know.

As of the mixed military equipment, were still jumping from one to another (i had the explanation on my sig, i had to erase).
Think of it as a baltic nation, such as a mix of the former Yugoslavia, and as if we were having economical difficulties thet are large enough to stop us from completing our military transition from Soviet equipment to NATO equipment.

I also am not Facist RL, but i don't think that counts.
An Ancient Grudge MT RP is a perfect example of how i was beggining to do awesome badass RP(i won't talk like that again ), but it fell into the abyss of complete denial of bumps.
Also another one is Minenan Civil War, that fell down due to lack of bumps.

I know this is just nit-picking, but why are you trying to transition to NATO equipment if you have an abundance of Soviet weapons and ammo? Actually, I'm fine with the transition, but wouldn't you still try and find weapons that can use 5.45mm? Since you have an abundance of Soviet ammo, it would be sorta logical.

[East Ormania]

Also, using 7.62 Soviet and 5.56 NATO is sorta almost paradoxical and a major tax to your logistics system. Idk if RL nations do that or not but if they do, it's because they're switching from the 7.62 to 5.56 or they're using 5.56 as a special forces cartridge. Also, you said yo use 7.62x39mm Soviet yet your main weapon is the AK-74; the AK-74 is 5.45x39mm Russian weapon, not 7.62. The M16A2 is indeed 5.56. However, nations rarely switch from 5.45 to 5.56 since their performance is so similar and it's so expensive to switch. Most countries go from 7.62 mm (NATO or Russian) to either 5.45 or 5.56 depending on which caliber weapons are deemed more suitable. Generally western nations and their allies opt for 5.56 while former Soviet nations and their allies opt for 5.45.

Some nations do use both calibers (a la Royal Moroccan Army), but it's not common.

Again, were not actually facist.
Were just like a monarchy but with a leader that calls himself both Prime-Minister and Dictactor, and the only thing about fascist is that we are a dictatorship that encourages nationalism. As of other stuff, were just like another RL "good" nations.
(also another good reason is that i completely hate having to do all democratical RPs. It's way more simple and fun to do just as if my nation's leader had authority over everything. But if needed, i can change to democracy at any time.)

As of the parentheses, i completely forgot and i will get on that soon. EDIT: Solved. If i missed anything let me know.

As of the mixed military equipment, were still jumping from one to another (i had the explanation on my sig, i had to erase).
Think of it as a baltic nation, such as a mix of the former Yugoslavia, and as if we were having economical difficulties thet are large enough to stop us from completing our military transition from Soviet equipment to NATO equipment.

I also am not Facist RL, but i don't think that counts.
An Ancient Grudge MT RP is a perfect example of how i was beggining to do awesome badass RP(i won't talk like that again ), but it fell into the abyss of complete denial of bumps.
Also another one is Minenan Civil War, that fell down due to lack of bumps.

I know this is just nit-picking, but why are you trying to transition to NATO equipment if you have an abundance of Soviet weapons and ammo? Actually, I'm fine with the transition, but wouldn't you still try and find weapons that can use 5.45mm? Since you have an abundance of Soviet ammo, it would be sorta logical.

We're poor, were just changing to NATO in regading to handhelp equipment.
We're too poor to have too many AKs or ARs.
At least that's how i like to RP.

[Virana]

Anyways, to the rest of ICE, here's an example of retarded warmongers. A bunch of nations are attacking a country because that country banned Internet. An invasion because they banned Internet. Ugh.... (no offense to any ICE nations that may be taking part )

All fairness to me in this; I'm not invading anything at the moment, and am only liable to get involved in a military context because of unwarranted attacks on refugees (Human rights abuse), attacks on the forces of other sovereign nations attempting to evacuate refugees or attacks on Glaswegistani forces involved in the evacuation of refugees.

We've got to save those potential worke- I mean, those poor, poor refugees...

Didn't one of the people in the RP mention that they'd kill any refugees coming towards their nation?

Also, using 7.62 Soviet and 5.56 NATO is sorta almost paradoxical and a major tax to your logistics system. Idk if RL nations do that or not but if they do, it's because they're switching from the 7.62 to 5.56 or they're using 5.56 as a special forces cartridge. Also, you said yo use 7.62x39mm Soviet yet your main weapon is the AK-74; the AK-74 is 5.45x39mm Russian weapon, not 7.62. The M16A2 is indeed 5.56. However, nations rarely switch from 5.45 to 5.56 since their performance is so similar and it's so expensive to switch. Most countries go from 7.62 mm (NATO or Russian) to either 5.45 or 5.56 depending on which caliber weapons are deemed more suitable. Generally western nations and their allies opt for 5.56 while former Soviet nations and their allies opt for 5.45.

Some nations do use both calibers (a la Royal Moroccan Army), but it's not common.

Eh, I think Morocco is special since they were classified as a Major non-NATO ally (MNNA) of the U.S., so basically as a military ally they were obliged to familiarize with American equipment and, as an MNNA with relations to the U.S., also aided in that the U.S. helped train them thus used their own weapons to train them on. Same with Afghanistan/Iraq's reformed armed forces; initially they all used AK's, but now they're being armed with M16A2's since the U.S./NATO is training them and arming them.

I'm itching to write up an RP for the UYR now, but I'd have to use an RP population much larger than the nation's own, in which case all the other ICE members taking part would have to agree to it. And agree not to completely ass-rape the UYR with 100000x more troops. I think I'll keep it closed only for ICE though, so none of the "we're going to war because you banned Internet in your own country" stuff comes in.

[Glaswegistan]

Didn't one of the people in the RP mention that they'd kill any refugees coming towards their nation?

Not just going towards their nation.

"The Greater Communist Unions of" Zanazbar has outright stated its intention to shoot any and all refugees moving from Sadland, extending its initial statement of any refugees found in Zanazbarian waters, to any and all refugees.

We will keep our original statement that all refugees[babies, men, women, children] are to be killed on sight. Any nation who opposes this, well, we are prepared for anything.

This, in and of itself, is grounds for ICE intervention, but given that the Zanazbarians have shown continuous disregard for the strengths of combined arms, the importance of a powerful industrial base in the context of an armed conflict, the doctrines of several modern armies around the globe and the utter lack of advantages in the event of Zanazbar declaring war on any one of the nations currently pledging support for one another in the Sadland flashpoint (Outnumbered, outgunned and, if the Zanazbarian assessments of the situation are any indicator; outled and outfought), ICE intervention might well only be arbitrary overkill.

[Virana]

Didn't one of the people in the RP mention that they'd kill any refugees coming towards their nation?

Not just going towards their nation.

"The Greater Communist Unions of" Zanazbar has outright stated its intention to shoot any and all refugees moving from Sadland, extending its initial statement of any refugees found in Zanazbarian waters, to any and all refugees.

We will keep our original statement that all refugees[babies, men, women, children] are to be killed on sight. Any nation who opposes this, well, we are prepared for anything.

This, in and of itself, is grounds for ICE intervention, but given that the Zanazbarians have shown continuous disregard for the strengths of combined arms, the importance of a powerful industrial base in the context of an armed conflict, the doctrines of several modern armies around the globe and the utter lack of advantages in the event of Zanazbar declaring war on any one of the nations currently pledging support for one another in the Sadland flashpoint (Outnumbered, outgunned and, if the Zanazbarian assessments of the situation are any indicator; outled and outfought), ICE intervention might well only be arbitrary overkill.

Haha I agree, us intervening could end the whole conflict in one fell swoop. Also, car-sized coilgun slugs? I thought that topic was MT?

Anyways, I'm thinking he means refugees towards him, but hey he seems up for a war and he's being an IC dick so by all means go ahead.

[Glaswegistan]

I thought that topic was MT?

It wasn't designated as anything until it got shifted to International Incidents, IIRC...

...And it's technically possible with technologies available as of now, not easy, but possible...

[United Nations Alliance]

Final preperations for the use of my evil puppet for us to bomb into the ground are begining now! If anyone wants to be a target for thier terrorist sleeper cells then TG me and I'll give you a target, but what they do is up to you. Suprise me.

[Post War America]

Not just going towards their nation.

"The Greater Communist Unions of" Zanazbar has outright stated its intention to shoot any and all refugees moving from Sadland, extending its initial statement of any refugees found in Zanazbarian waters, to any and all refugees.



This, in and of itself, is grounds for ICE intervention, but given that the Zanazbarians have shown continuous disregard for the strengths of combined arms, the importance of a powerful industrial base in the context of an armed conflict, the doctrines of several modern armies around the globe and the utter lack of advantages in the event of Zanazbar declaring war on any one of the nations currently pledging support for one another in the Sadland flashpoint (Outnumbered, outgunned and, if the Zanazbarian assessments of the situation are any indicator; outled and outfought), ICE intervention might well only be arbitrary overkill.

Haha I agree, us intervening could end the whole conflict in one fell swoop. Also, car-sized coilgun slugs? I thought that topic was MT?

Anyways, I'm thinking he means refugees towards him, but hey he seems up for a war and he's being an IC dick so by all means go ahead.

Yeah, but its kind of a n00b war.

[Volgovad]

Final preperations for the use of my evil puppet for us to bomb into the ground are begining now! If anyone wants to be a target for thier terrorist sleeper cells then TG me and I'll give you a target, but what they do is up to you. Suprise me.

Ooooh! Can I help your evil puppet when it boils down to war?

[Johamlandia]

Nation Name: The Kingdom of Johamlandia
National Leader(s): King Luis Morales
National/Most Common Religion: Roman Catholicism
Government Form: Capitalist
Military Strength: Very weak, limited to a National Guard.
Main Infantry Weapon: AK-47
Main Battle Tank: The T-60
Main Fighter Plane: No Air Force
Infantry Calibers Used: 7.62x39mm Russian
Military Service Branches: National Guard, Coast Guard
Infantry Body Armor: Bulletproof Vest
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: If beneficial, then yes.
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: With our current military, no. Once we modify our military, then yes.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: N/A
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: Yes, a yearly donation of a trillion dollars.
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: Yes, a very deep need.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?:Yes.
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: We have rain forests, woodlands, and a small desert. The rainforest includes very mountainous regions.
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: None.

[Virana]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ICE: GANG UP ON DEEZ BITCHES.

It's the OOC, so for right now please tell me if you're taking part on the OOC thread. Any non-ICE nation wanting to join, please TG me.

[United Nations Alliance]

Well this escalated rather quickly. I may end up running up the official ICE letterhead for this. But I'll definately declare my intent to invade his vital regions. I'll invade him and he'll enjoy it!

[The Free Monarchy of Daragal]

Nation Name: The Free Monarchy of Daragal
National Leader: King Daga III
National Religion: Christianity (13.5% of our population)
Government Form: Constitutional Monarchy
Military Strength: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... k/id=46567
Main Infantry Weapon: (See above link)
Main Battle Tank: (See above link)
Main Fighter Plane: (See above link)
Infantry Calibers Used: (See above link)
Military Service Branches:
- Darag National Army (DNA)
- Darag National Navy (DNN)
- Darag National Airforce (DNAF)
- Darag Special Service (DSS)
- Darag Military Intelligence (DMI)
Infantry Body Armor: IOTV Body Armour
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge? Yes
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes, on the condition that every military operation we are involoved with has the permission of either the House of Representatives or the King.
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: The De Plena Pact
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?:We already have an active Aid Service, however we would be willing to arrange for donations to be sent.
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: We believe that training is always necessary, we are willing to participate in many training excercises as both trainee and trainer as the occasion arrives.
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate:
- Mt Gatinad (Snowy tundra, mountainous, rocky)
- Dava Region (Desert)
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: We maintain a policy of friendly foreign relations, and in the case that it is necessar to liberate a nation, we will ensure that friendly relations ensue, and we will monitor the situation from there. We are willing to also sign trade agreements and defensive pacts as the need arises.

[Saliu]

Wasn't it you who thought having military seperate would make the humanitarian members "second-rate members" or something? It was said like two or three pages ago.

You misunderstood what I said; I said that the proposal to have Humanitarian Only Nations as Associate Members and Military Only Nations as Full Members was unfair. Besides, the Humanitarians and the Military are already seperate.

[United Nations Alliance]

Yes but look at our supplies. The Peacekeepers, which come under military, draw from your Humanitarian supplies. My thing was to make sure we don't have to grain Humanitarian supplies for bombing someone into submission liberating opressed regimes.

[Saliu]

Yes but look at our supplies. The Peacekeepers, which come under military, draw from your Humanitarian supplies. My thing was to make sure we don't have to grain Humanitarian supplies for bombing someone into submission liberating opressed regimes.

I understand that, I opposed different RANKS of membership if humanitarians were not to be the same as the military-nations. My comment had nothing to do with the seperation of Humanitarians and Peacekeepers (which I support).

IMPORTANT: Can the Humanitarians help the wounded on any side, as it is an important mandate. Obviously Citizens and the ICE come first. Also, can the Humanitarian Department begin official operations prior to the military declaring operations, or do we all do it together?