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[Glaswegistan]

Quick note, could anyone able please donate a few more tanks, AFV/APC/IFVs and transport/cargo planes to the Peacekeeping Corps (PC) ?

Glaswegistan can contribute as many light (Falkenrath T-7 Corina Light tanks), medium (TB-F-MT-1 Tondra Medium Tanks) or heavy tanks (TB-H1 Sauvage Heavy Tanks) as are necessary to the peacekeeping corps, in addition to some APC's (Falkenrath M77 Gerulf APC's) and Anti-Aircraft SPG's (Falkenrath Gotthilf SPAAM-4 Anti-Aircraft Mount).

Unfortunately, due to Party policy; if these vehicles are to be operated without Glaswegistani Personnel, they will be the 'international market' models of the vehicles, which may lack certain aspects of the vehicles standard technologies that are generally classified in nature such as advanced magnetics technology, fuel compounds, classified armour compounds and some aspects of the ECM/ECCM software may be simplified. Despite this, the international market models of these vehicles remain capable and above all else; effective against most opposition.

Unfortunately, no transport or cargo planes can be contributed at this time.

[Virana]

Government Form:

• Westminister-Style Parliamentary Government (Economic: Technocapitalism)

Category: Father Knows Best State
...
The Confederacy of Meritocratic States is a huge, cultured nation, ruled by President Evangeline Tannhauser with an iron fist

-__- why do so many people ignore the NS-given government type? That's a main way of gauging someone's policies.

Not that there's a problem with it though. But when I'm hunting down people to hit with the "we impose sanctions on you as per castilla doctrine" (in RPs of course) I'm looking at their NS-given government type instead of asking them "are you a dictatorship or a democracy".

Btw, you know how hard it is to maintain an inoffensive centrist democracy for this long? Soon as I got to it again from Democratic Socialists I just stopped touching government-related issues haha.

EDIT: Ohh, you just became a father knows best state like 19 hours ago. My bad.

[Glaswegistan]

Government Form:

• Westminister-Style Parliamentary Government (Economic: Technocapitalism)

Category: Father Knows Best State
...
The Confederacy of Meritocratic States is a huge, cultured nation, ruled by President Evangeline Tannhauser with an iron fist

-__- why do so many people ignore the NS-given government type? That's a main way of gauging someone's policies.

Not that there's a problem with it though. But when I'm hunting down people to hit with the "we impose sanctions on you as per castilla doctrine" (in RPs of course) I'm looking at their NS-given government type instead of asking them "are you a dictatorship or a democracy".

Btw, you know how hard it is to maintain an inoffensive centrist democracy for this long? Soon as I got to it again from Democratic Socialists I just stopped touching government-related issues haha.

EDIT: Ohh, you just became a father knows best state like 19 hours ago. My bad.

The problem is that the NS classification doesn't account for variables that aren't programmed in.

>Federal Single Party State run by departments based on professions, ordered through a central council with little functional authority, where most state matters are decided upon by departmental votes by all Party members affected by the issue being voted on.

>"Libertarian police state"

...And whats wrong with Dictatorship anyway? I mean, so long as the states run properly...

[Virana]

-__- why do so many people ignore the NS-given government type? That's a main way of gauging someone's policies.

Not that there's a problem with it though. But when I'm hunting down people to hit with the "we impose sanctions on you as per castilla doctrine" (in RPs of course) I'm looking at their NS-given government type instead of asking them "are you a dictatorship or a democracy".

Btw, you know how hard it is to maintain an inoffensive centrist democracy for this long? Soon as I got to it again from Democratic Socialists I just stopped touching government-related issues haha.

EDIT: Ohh, you just became a father knows best state like 19 hours ago. My bad.

The problem is that the NS classification doesn't account for variables that aren't programmed in.

>Federal Single Party State run by departments based on professions, ordered through a central council with little functional authority, where most state matters are decided upon by departmental votes by all Party members affected by the issue being voted on.

>"Libertarian police state"

...And whats wrong with Dictatorship anyway? I mean, so long as the states run properly...

I don't have a problem with dictatorships. My nation ICly does

And you're right, the game doesn't account for variables like that. I guess there's just too many different types of government to cover that vary in so many different ways.

EDIT: We should start a partnership with Polaris Initiative. Some ICE members are also members of Polaris and the goals for both organizations are essentially the same.

[Finorskia]

The problem is that the NS classification doesn't account for variables that aren't programmed in.

>Federal Single Party State run by departments based on professions, ordered through a central council with little functional authority, where most state matters are decided upon by departmental votes by all Party members affected by the issue being voted on.

>"Libertarian police state"

...And whats wrong with Dictatorship anyway? I mean, so long as the states run properly...

I don't have a problem with dictatorships. My nation ICly does

And you're right, the game doesn't account for variables like that. I guess there's just too many different types of government to cover that vary in so many different ways.

EDIT: We should start a partnership with Polaris Initiative. Some ICE members are also members of Polaris and the goals for both organizations are essentially the same.

That is why I asked for my full membership pack. I went partial because of the issues with Quendi. s/he was proposing passing an article condemning the ICE then I went partial so as to ease political tensions. When I saw another Polaris member join as a full member I was like "Hey. Screw it ."

[Of the Quendi]

The problem is that the NS classification doesn't account for variables that aren't programmed in.

>Federal Single Party State run by departments based on professions, ordered through a central council with little functional authority, where most state matters are decided upon by departmental votes by all Party members affected by the issue being voted on.

>"Libertarian police state"

...And whats wrong with Dictatorship anyway? I mean, so long as the states run properly...

I don't have a problem with dictatorships. My nation ICly does

And you're right, the game doesn't account for variables like that. I guess there's just too many different types of government to cover that vary in so many different ways.

EDIT: We should start a partnership with Polaris Initiative. Some ICE members are also members of Polaris and the goals for both organizations are essentially the same.

The goals are exactly opposite. Polaris is a defensive organization, ICE believes in offense.

[Greater Belkan Reich]

Nation Name:The Greater Reich of the Belkan People aka GBR
National Leader(s):Fuhrer Erik von Starke
National/Most Common Religion:Calvinism
Government Form:Constitutional Authoritarian Republic
Military Strength: 1.4 Million
Main Infantry Weapon: G36
Main Battle Tank: Leopard 2 & T-90
Main Fighter Plane: Su-37 & Mig-35
Infantry Calibers Used: Both 7.62mm Nato & 5.56 Nato
Military Service Branches: Wehrmacht,Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, SS
Infantry Body Armor: Dragon Scale Tactical Body Armor
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: No
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?:Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: None
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?:Not for schools or hospitals
Are You In Need of Military Aid?:No
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate:North-Eastern Belka Tundra, Northern Belka Temperate Forest, Western Belka Moderate-Arid Plains
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: A strong supporter of Capitalism and Ultra-Nationalism as well as Nordic Pride. Due to semi-recent downturns before the beginning of the current regime the government had to begin a significant re-armament process and this has strained the national resources and their is a strong drive to invade in order to acquire more resources. Pro-Life,Anti-LBGT

[United Nations Alliance]

Nation Name:The Greater Reich of the Belkan People aka GBR
National Leader(s):Fuhrer Erik von Starke
National/Most Common Religion:Calvinism
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.)Constitutional Authoritarian Republic
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one) 1.4 Million
Main Infantry Weapon: G36
Main Battle Tank: Leopard 2 & T-90
Main Fighter Plane: Su-37 & Mig-35
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.) Both 7.62mm Nato & 5.56 Nato
Military Service Branches: Wehrmacht,Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, SS
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A): Dragon Scale Tactical Body Armor
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE is
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever): No
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?:Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: None
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations)No for schools or hospitals
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.)No
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.)Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate:North-Eastern Belka Tundra, Northern Belka Temperate Forest, Western Belka Moderate-Arid Plains
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: A strong supporter of Capitalism and Ultra-Nationalism as well as Nordic Pride(ICly). Due to semi-recent downturns before the beginning of the current regime the government had to begin a significant re-armament process and this has strained the national resources and their is a strong drive to invade in order to acquire more resources. Pro-Life,Anti-LBGT

Belka, delete what I have put in bold, Phonencia said in the OP to delete the bits in the brackets.

EDIT: yay! Now I'm sure Phonencia will accept you! I'm such a good friend

[Saliu]

I am against any proposal to have humanitarian-only membership stripped back to second-class! The fact of the matter is that those non-military prospective members may not want to join because they feel they are not good enough! It is huge of a leap for pacifist nations to be part of this organisation - expecting them to feel below the norm is just ridiculous!

A full membership should be for anybody who is willing to follow the ICE Charter and Resolutions and assist with the goals of this organisation. Quite frankly, having no Humanitarian or Peacekeepers would not be good for the ICE, so why make them feel below those who are invading? It's fair enough to say that those controlling the wrecking-ball are important, but aren't those who clean up the debris as much of a necessaity?

[United Nations Alliance]

I am against any proposal to have humanitarian-only membership stripped back to second-class! The fact of the matter is that those non-military prospective members may not want to join because they feel they are not good enough! It is huge of a leap for pacifist nations to be part of this organisation - expecting them to feel below the norm is just ridiculous!

A full membership should be for anybody who is willing to follow the ICE Charter and Resolutions and assist with the goals of this organisation. Quite frankly, having no Humanitarian or Peacekeepers would not be good for the ICE, so why make them feel below those who are invading? It's fair enough to say that those controlling the wrecking-ball are important, but aren't those who clean up the debris as much of a necessaity?

I'm not sure how your mind made that assumption, but it wouldn't be like that. Now going of the theory of seperating Military and Humanitarian would have, in my mind, made logistics for Peacekeepers (the one's doing the invading) and Humanitarian Officials (ones doing the cleaning up) easier (We currently have to draw from Humanitarian supplies for the Peacekeepers/Military). Having military seperate, if worked properly, would actually make the running easier, again if Peacekeepers and Humanitarians worked together and talked. Now I know Phonencia said no, but he also said no about changing the charter and he allowed Virana to do it anyway, so would you (Phonencia) allow me to draw up how I saw the Peacekeepers and Humanitarians seperate departments running and everything? Just to see if it would work in theory?

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

Has anyone seen Phone as a matter of fact?

[Phonencia]

I am against any proposal to have humanitarian-only membership stripped back to second-class! The fact of the matter is that those non-military prospective members may not want to join because they feel they are not good enough! It is huge of a leap for pacifist nations to be part of this organisation - expecting them to feel below the norm is just ridiculous!

A full membership should be for anybody who is willing to follow the ICE Charter and Resolutions and assist with the goals of this organisation. Quite frankly, having no Humanitarian or Peacekeepers would not be good for the ICE, so why make them feel below those who are invading? It's fair enough to say that those controlling the wrecking-ball are important, but aren't those who clean up the debris as much of a necessaity?

I'm not sure how your mind made that assumption, but it wouldn't be like that. Now going of the theory of seperating Military and Humanitarian would have, in my mind, made logistics for Peacekeepers (the one's doing the invading) and Humanitarian Officials (ones doing the cleaning up) easier (We currently have to draw from Humanitarian supplies for the Peacekeepers/Military). Having military seperate, if worked properly, would actually make the running easier, again if Peacekeepers and Humanitarians worked together and talked. Now I know Phonencia said no, but he also said no about changing the charter and he allowed Virana to do it anyway, so would you (Phonencia) allow me to draw up how I saw the Peacekeepers and Humanitarians seperate departments running and everything? Just to see if it would work in theory?

Go right ahead bro.

Has anyone seen Phone as a matter of fact?

*raises hand*

I am against any proposal to have humanitarian-only membership stripped back to second-class! The fact of the matter is that those non-military prospective members may not want to join because they feel they are not good enough! It is huge of a leap for pacifist nations to be part of this organisation - expecting them to feel below the norm is just ridiculous!

A full membership should be for anybody who is willing to follow the ICE Charter and Resolutions and assist with the goals of this organisation. Quite frankly, having no Humanitarian or Peacekeepers would not be good for the ICE, so why make them feel below those who are invading? It's fair enough to say that those controlling the wrecking-ball are important, but aren't those who clean up the debris as much of a necessaity?

I agree to an extent. That's why I wanted it listed as Humanitarian, Military membership and duel membership.

Nation Name:The Greater Reich of the Belkan People aka GBR
National Leader(s):Fuhrer Erik von Starke
National/Most Common Religion:Calvinism
Government Form:Constitutional Authoritarian Republic
Military Strength: 1.4 Million
Main Infantry Weapon: G36
Main Battle Tank: Leopard 2 & T-90
Main Fighter Plane: Su-37 & Mig-35
Infantry Calibers Used: Both 7.62mm Nato & 5.56 Nato
Military Service Branches: Wehrmacht,Kriegsmarine, Luftwaffe, SS
Infantry Body Armor: Dragon Scale Tactical Body Armor
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: No
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?:Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: None
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?:Not for schools or hospitals
Are You In Need of Military Aid?:No
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate:North-Eastern Belka Tundra, Northern Belka Temperate Forest, Western Belka Moderate-Arid Plains
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: A strong supporter of Capitalism and Ultra-Nationalism as well as Nordic Pride. Due to semi-recent downturns before the beginning of the current regime the government had to begin a significant re-armament process and this has strained the national resources and their is a strong drive to invade in order to acquire more resources. Pro-Life,Anti-LBGT

*sniffs*
Nope. Smells too much like Neo-Nazi and/or white supremacist not that I have anything against white supremacy...

I don't have a problem with dictatorships. My nation ICly does

And you're right, the game doesn't account for variables like that. I guess there's just too many different types of government to cover that vary in so many different ways.

EDIT: We should start a partnership with Polaris Initiative. Some ICE members are also members of Polaris and the goals for both organizations are essentially the same.

The goals are exactly opposite. Polaris is a defensive organization, ICE believes in offense.

Polaris is defensive and ICE is offensive. We're two sides of the same coin. They want to defend democracy, we want to defend freedom in any form (even dictatorships to an extent)

Although there are plenty of major differences, ie they want everyone with democracy/freedom to KEEP it and we want to EXPAND it to the far corners of the gigantic-ass NS Earth. When you get down to it, we care about the people that have never had democracy rather than just those that already do.

I don't have a problem with dictatorships. My nation ICly does

And you're right, the game doesn't account for variables like that. I guess there's just too many different types of government to cover that vary in so many different ways.

EDIT: We should start a partnership with Polaris Initiative. Some ICE members are also members of Polaris and the goals for both organizations are essentially the same.

That is why I asked for my full membership pack. I went partial because of the issues with Quendi. s/he was proposing passing an article condemning the ICE then I went partial so as to ease political tensions. When I saw another Polaris member join as a full member I was like "Hey. Screw it ."

I would not object ICly to at least a loose relationship with the Polaris Initiative.

[quote="Virana";p="11221066"]
I don't have a problem with dictatorships. My nation ICly does [quote]

ICly Phonencia only has a problem with oppression. Dictatorships need not fear our wrath lest they oppress and harm the masses.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

Babu, where has ye been?

[Of the Quendi]

The goals are exactly opposite. Polaris is a defensive organization, ICE believes in offense.

Polaris is defensive and ICE is offensive. We're two sides of the same coin. They want to defend democracy, we want to defend freedom in any form (even dictatorships to an extent)

Although there are plenty of major differences, ie they want everyone with democracy/freedom to KEEP it and we want to EXPAND it to the far corners of the gigantic-ass NS Earth. When you get down to it, we care about the people that have never had democracy rather than just those that already do.

That is why I asked for my full membership pack. I went partial because of the issues with Quendi. s/he was proposing passing an article condemning the ICE then I went partial so as to ease political tensions. When I saw another Polaris member join as a full member I was like "Hey. Screw it ."

I would not object ICly to at least a loose relationship with the Polaris Initiative.

Polaris believes in national/popular sovereignity, the ICE does not. Polaris believes in self determination, ICE does not.

My country would firmly oppose any partnership between Polaris and ICE but of course I am only one of many members states and I imagine that at least two Polaris members are like to support such a partnership.

[Virana]

Polaris is defensive and ICE is offensive. We're two sides of the same coin. They want to defend democracy, we want to defend freedom in any form (even dictatorships to an extent)

Although there are plenty of major differences, ie they want everyone with democracy/freedom to KEEP it and we want to EXPAND it to the far corners of the gigantic-ass NS Earth. When you get down to it, we care about the people that have never had democracy rather than just those that already do.



I would not object ICly to at least a loose relationship with the Polaris Initiative.

Polaris believes in national/popular sovereignity, the ICE does not. Polaris believes in self determination, ICE does not.

My country would firmly oppose any partnership between Polaris and ICE but of course I am only one of many members states and I imagine that at least two Polaris members are like to support such a partnership.

Not intending to be picky but ICE doesn't particularly state anything about popular sovereignty and self-determination, leaving that up to interpretation by its members. Some members prefer assimilation as colonies, and others are more into popular sovereignty and self-determination. So ICE and Polaris aren't exactly opposites. Regarding your argument describing ICE as offensive and Polaris as defensive, again, that's up to the interpretation of each individual nation. I haven't read through Polaris's charter but I'm fairly sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that it doesn't warn against aggression against oppressive nations.

Their essential goals are the same but the methods by which they achieve them are on opposite sides of the spectrum, but that also doesn't mean that any sort of loose relationship is impossible. In fact, combining two different approaches for an overall strategy could be better. Who knows?

I am against any proposal to have humanitarian-only membership stripped back to second-class! The fact of the matter is that those non-military prospective members may not want to join because they feel they are not good enough! It is huge of a leap for pacifist nations to be part of this organisation - expecting them to feel below the norm is just ridiculous!

A full membership should be for anybody who is willing to follow the ICE Charter and Resolutions and assist with the goals of this organisation. Quite frankly, having no Humanitarian or Peacekeepers would not be good for the ICE, so why make them feel below those who are invading? It's fair enough to say that those controlling the wrecking-ball are important, but aren't those who clean up the debris as much of a necessaity?

I'm not sure how your mind made that assumption, but it wouldn't be like that. Now going of the theory of seperating Military and Humanitarian would have, in my mind, made logistics for Peacekeepers (the one's doing the invading) and Humanitarian Officials (ones doing the cleaning up) easier (We currently have to draw from Humanitarian supplies for the Peacekeepers/Military). Having military seperate, if worked properly, would actually make the running easier, again if Peacekeepers and Humanitarians worked together and talked. Now I know Phonencia said no, but he also said no about changing the charter and he allowed Virana to do it anyway, so would you (Phonencia) allow me to draw up how I saw the Peacekeepers and Humanitarians seperate departments running and everything? Just to see if it would work in theory?

The organization of such a concept would be difficult to describe since you're trying to appease multiple opposing parties here, but I'm interested in seeing what you came up with. It's not a bad idea at all.

In regards to the concerns based on the fact that "associate membership" is somehow degrading (even though the said associate nation is not participating in half of the organization's intended mission), how about the terms "Security Membership" (military), "Humanitarian Membership", and "Dual Membership"? I'm trying to use terms with no negative connotation that also might hopefully fit UNA's plans.

[Of the Quendi]

Not intending to be picky but ICE doesn't particularly state anything about popular sovereignty and self-determination, leaving that up to interpretation by its members. Some members prefer assimilation as colonies, and others are more into popular sovereignty and self-determination. So ICE and Polaris aren't exactly opposites. Regarding your argument describing ICE as offensive and Polaris as defensive, again, that's up to the interpretation of each individual nation. I haven't read through Polaris's charter but I'm fairly sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that it doesn't warn against aggression against oppressive nations.

Their essential goals are the same but the methods by which they achieve them are on opposite sides of the spectrum, but that also doesn't mean that any sort of loose relationship is impossible. In fact, combining two different approaches for an overall strategy could be better. Who knows?

Well I myself have every intention of being picky.

True the ICE does not say anything directly about self determination but since self determination is opposite to forceful annexation (and the clause about "absorbing liberated lands" is very clearly support for annexation) which the ICE favors then it follows that the ICE are, at least to an extent, opposed to self determination. This has also been explained in the communiqué's from Phonencia to my state.

As for ICE being offensive I simply don't see how anyone can interpret the ICE charter (or your own Castilla Doctrine for that matter) as not being a defense of offensive action. "Tyrants cannot be reasoned with and it is the belief of the I.C.E. that forceful liberation is necessary for the good of the population of oppressed nations." seems to put it very clearly.

As for the Polaris Initiative you are quite correct that its charter never directly states that it opposes offensive action. In fact there is one paragraph that could be interpreted as favoring it. But for the most part the charter speaks of "protecting", "preserving", "keeping" and "defending". That anti-offensive approach seemed to gain general formal acceptance in the Initiative with the following statement by Reformed Britannia after which it seemed to become official praxis. In any case the evidence seems to speak for itself, Polaris has never (to my knowledge at least) waged an offensive war.

But by all means if the ICE member states agrees that they desire a partnership with Polaris, initiate the procedures. My country is but one of many and can't block the rest of the initiative.

[Virana]

Not intending to be picky but ICE doesn't particularly state anything about popular sovereignty and self-determination, leaving that up to interpretation by its members. Some members prefer assimilation as colonies, and others are more into popular sovereignty and self-determination. So ICE and Polaris aren't exactly opposites. Regarding your argument describing ICE as offensive and Polaris as defensive, again, that's up to the interpretation of each individual nation. I haven't read through Polaris's charter but I'm fairly sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that it doesn't warn against aggression against oppressive nations.

Their essential goals are the same but the methods by which they achieve them are on opposite sides of the spectrum, but that also doesn't mean that any sort of loose relationship is impossible. In fact, combining two different approaches for an overall strategy could be better. Who knows?

Well I myself have every intention of being picky.

True the ICE does not say anything directly about self determination but since self determination is opposite to forceful annexation (and the clause about "absorbing liberated lands" is very clearly support for annexation) which the ICE favors then it follows that the ICE are, at least to an extent, opposed to self determination. This has also been explained in the communiqué's from Phonencia to my state.

As for ICE being offensive I simply don't see how anyone can interpret the ICE charter (or your own Castilla Doctrine for that matter) as not being a defense of offensive action. "Tyrants cannot be reasoned with and it is the belief of the I.C.E. that forceful liberation is necessary for the good of the population of oppressed nations." seems to put it very clearly.

As for the Polaris Initiative you are quite correct that its charter never directly states that it opposes offensive action. In fact there is one paragraph that could be interpreted as favoring it. But for the most part the charter speaks of "protecting", "preserving", "keeping" and "defending". That anti-offensive approach seemed to gain general formal acceptance in the Initiative with the following statement by Reformed Britannia after which it seemed to become official praxis. In any case the evidence seems to speak for itself, Polaris has never (to my knowledge at least) waged an offensive war.

But by all means if the ICE member states agrees that they desire a partnership with Polaris, initiate the procedures. My country is but one of many and can't block the rest of the initiative.

Castilla Doctrine is definitely an offensive policy, and there's no doubt about it; I never did anything to hide that. But it does include a clause that might come at your satisfaction, "that [we] will support the principles of popular sovereignty wherever a tyrannical government has been uprooted or otherwise defeated." That's just how I view a "liberated" nation should be run.

Anyways, the "absorbing liberated lands" (and that other quote you provided) is a portion of the old charter, which apparently hasn't been updated on the OOC thread. The new charter, designed by me and Phonencia, doesn't have that, leaving it, again, open to interpretation for member states (apologies for the non-updated charter). That's why no ICE colonial bureau was ever made; it was proposed on multiple occasions, but not everyone could agree to its provisions since everyone has a distinctly different vision for the lands they conquer. Opponents to the proposals just had a very good, reasonable argument that led people to vote against them.

And finally, since Phonencia's the head of ICE, he'll look into such a partnership if he deems it good enough. If not but everyone else thinks we should then I'll look into it.

[Greater Belkan Reich]

To:International Coalition for Expansion
From:Belkan Office of Foreign Affairs
Encryption: None


We would like impress upon you that Belka or it's government are in no way connected to any Nazi States, Organizations or movements. While it is true that our government is slightly similar to the former Nazi Germany the similarity is only superficial.

We would also like to say that Belka has and always will be in the forefront of many civil rights movements. We have never commit any human rights violations or infractions to speak of and many nations will offer high opinions about our conduct.

We implore you to reconsider our application.

[Sovjetia]

Nation Name: the coup force of Sovjetia
National Leader(s): Khaled Al Asad
National/Most Common Religion: makaism
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.) communist
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one) about 400 000 000
Main Infantry Weapon: AK 47
Main Battle Tank: T90
Main Fighter Plane: MIG 21 Fulcrum
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.)7.62x39 russian
Military Service Branches: Air force,Navy,Sptesnaz,FSO,main infantry,Juggernaut core
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Juggernaut suit for juggernauts and regular kevlar
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE ie
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) sure
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: 9999999999% yes 0% no
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: cant remeber the name of most but uh CUN
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations) sure not sure how much?
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.)nah we have trade partners
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) yup you can train in our Urals and Salvard
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Urals and salvard and extreme north
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: nope

[Meritocratic States]

Government Form:

• Westminister-Style Parliamentary Government (Economic: Technocapitalism)

Category: Father Knows Best State
...
The Confederacy of Meritocratic States is a huge, cultured nation, ruled by President Evangeline Tannhauser with an iron fist

-__- why do so many people ignore the NS-given government type? That's a main way of gauging someone's policies.

Not that there's a problem with it though. But when I'm hunting down people to hit with the "we impose sanctions on you as per castilla doctrine" (in RPs of course) I'm looking at their NS-given government type instead of asking them "are you a dictatorship or a democracy".

Btw, you know how hard it is to maintain an inoffensive centrist democracy for this long? Soon as I got to it again from Democratic Socialists I just stopped touching government-related issues haha.

EDIT: Ohh, you just became a father knows best state like 19 hours ago. My bad.

To clarify, my nation IS NOT a dictatorship, and NEVER will it be.

The nation's executive council is a college of officials who jointly exercise the powers of the Head of State. President Evangeline Tannhauser is the representative and presides the council, and does not have any other powers.

[Virana]

Nation Name: the coup force of Sovjetia
National Leader(s): Khaled Al Asad
National/Most Common Religion: makaism
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.) communist
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one) about 400 000 000
Main Infantry Weapon: AK 47
Main Battle Tank: T90
Main Fighter Plane: MIG 21 Fulcrum
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.)7.62x39 russian
Military Service Branches: Air force,Navy,Sptesnaz,FSO,main infantry,Juggernaut core
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A) Juggernaut suit for juggernauts and regular kevlar
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE ie
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) sure
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: 9999999999% yes 0% no
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: cant remeber the name of most but uh CUN
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations) sure not sure how much?
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.)nah we have trade partners
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) yup you can train in our Urals and Salvard
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Urals and salvard and extreme north
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: nope

(haven't done one of these in a while)

Hello, as executive commander of ICE I can't accept or deny you but I can provide you with a review of your application to allow you to gauge your chances of being accepted. Phonencia will make the final decision soon.

A few issues were noted about your application. Please note that these issues are mostly based on personal opinions and not necessarily solid facts, although they may or may not reflect the opinions of other ICE members, including Phonencia.

• Right before the application on the OP it clearly states "note: erase the notes in parentheses when filling out your app or it will be DENIED." That's your first, glaring mistake.
• AK-47 hasn't been used since the 1950s. What you normally see portrayed as an AK-47 is either an AKM, AK-74, or Chinese or other clone. This is a very well-written post, by a "gun nut", about why AK-47 isn't an acceptable answer for service rifle of any MT nation. It looks too me like your decision was based on Call of Duty. More on that below.
• Juggernaut suit?! Juggernauts?! This isn't Call of Duty. Sorry.
• As far as I'm aware 6.5 Grendel isn't very adaptable to AK platforms. There have been AK-based platforms chambered in 6.5 Grendel (like the Vepr), but those are purpose-built hunting rifles. I dunno, I lack the knowledge to make this call—it's definitely plausible but I have yet to see an AK converted to 6.5.
• You can't even remember the alliances you're part of?!
• "If Yes, List Areas and Climate" (you forgot the bolded part), although I'm going to flat out guess that they're arctic regions (since north = cold in the northern hemisphere. But remember, half the world's in the southern hemisphere -__-)

I'd hate to be harsh but I'm forced to be to-the-point. It honestly seems to me that you're one of those people that think CoD=modern war (Juggernauts?! Point made. Further CoD references: your use of AK-47 (IW's worst of decisions), "Khaled Al-Asad", and the fact that CoD is one of the main topics of reference on the EoA RMB, which has been monitored recently). The other issues (aside from the alliance thing) are relatively trivial and miniscule, although they denote a significant lack of quality in terms of formal RPing. And that is supported by the fact that you're EoA. I am in no way saying that EoA nations aren't allowed to join, but nations from your region have, in very general terms, an extremely low RPing standard (which I could prove with a multitude of examples, in fact there are countless examples).

However, I normally don't use such trivial things as your region to gauge your RPing standard (especially since I know a nation that had been in EoA who wasn't bad). So, I looked at a few examples of your RPing (this, this, this, and this, all recent RP samples of yours) and I would say there is a very, very, very, very miniscule chance of you getting in.

That most likely means, in the kindest of words possible, no. Sorry. I would recommend you continue to improve your RPing skills, as you're welcome to apply again soon.

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-__- why do so many people ignore the NS-given government type? That's a main way of gauging someone's policies.

Not that there's a problem with it though. But when I'm hunting down people to hit with the "we impose sanctions on you as per castilla doctrine" (in RPs of course) I'm looking at their NS-given government type instead of asking them "are you a dictatorship or a democracy".

Btw, you know how hard it is to maintain an inoffensive centrist democracy for this long? Soon as I got to it again from Democratic Socialists I just stopped touching government-related issues haha.

EDIT: Ohh, you just became a father knows best state like 19 hours ago. My bad.

To clarify, my nation IS NOT a dictatorship, and NEVER will it be.

The nation's executive council is a college of officials who jointly exercise the powers of the Head of State. President Evangeline Tannhauser is the representative and presides the council, and does not have any other powers.

Ah. gotcha.

[Sovjetia]

Nation Name: the coup force of Sovjetia
National Leader(s): Khaled Al Asad
National/Most Common Religion: makaism
Government Form: (Democracy, Monarchy, Capitalist, Communist etc.) communist
Military Strength: (you may post a link to your military factbook if you have one) about 400 000 000
Main Infantry Weapon: Vector
Main Battle Tank: T90
Main Fighter Plane: MIG 21 Fulcrum
Infantry Calibers Used: (7.62x39mm Russian, 5.56x45mm NATO etc.)7.62x39 russian
Military Service Branches: Air force,Navy,Sptesnaz,FSO,main infantry,Juggernaut core
Infantry Body Armor: (if none type N/A)regular kevlar
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x38mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: (6.5x38mm ICE ie
6.5mm Grendel with a different name, there is literally no difference whatsoever) sure if possabel
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: 9999999999% yes 0% no
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: cant remeber the name of most but uh CUN
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: (donate money to help build schools and hospitals in liberated/conquered nations) sure not sure how much?
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: (training, equipment etc.)nah we have trade partners
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: (arctic, mountainous etc.) yup you can train in our Urals and Salvard
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: Urals and salvard and extreme north
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation: nope

(haven't done one of these in a while)

Hello, as executive commander of ICE I can't accept or deny you but I can provide you with a review of your application to allow you to gauge your chances of being accepted. Phonencia will make the final decision soon.

A few issues were noted about your application. Please note that these issues are mostly based on personal opinions and not necessarily solid facts, although they may or may not reflect the opinions of other ICE members, including Phonencia.

• Right before the application on the OP it clearly states "note: erase the notes in parentheses when filling out your app or it will be DENIED." That's your first, glaring mistake.
• AK-47 hasn't been used since the 1950s. What you normally see portrayed as an AK-47 is either an AKM, AK-74, or Chinese or other clone. This is a very well-written post, by a "gun nut", about why AK-47 isn't an acceptable answer for service rifle of any MT nation. It looks too me like your decision was based on Call of Duty. More on that below.
• Juggernaut suit?! Juggernauts?! This isn't Call of Duty. Sorry.
• As far as I'm aware 6.5 Grendel isn't very adaptable to AK platforms. There have been AK-based platforms chambered in 6.5 Grendel (like the Vepr), but those are purpose-built hunting rifles. I dunno, I lack the knowledge to make this call—it's definitely plausible but I have yet to see an AK converted to 6.5.
• You can't even remember the alliances you're part of?!
• "If Yes, List Areas and Climate" (you forgot the bolded part), although I'm going to flat out guess that they're arctic regions (since north = cold in the northern hemisphere. But remember, half the world's in the southern hemisphere -__-)

I'd hate to be harsh but I'm forced to be to-the-point. It honestly seems to me that you're one of those people that think CoD=modern war (Juggernauts?! Point made. Further CoD references: your use of AK-47 (IW's worst of decisions), "Khaled Al-Asad", and the fact that CoD is one of the main topics of reference on the EoA RMB, which has been monitored recently). The other issues (aside from the alliance thing) are relatively trivial and miniscule, although they denote a significant lack of quality in terms of formal RPing. And that is supported by the fact that you're EoA. I am in no way saying that EoA nations aren't allowed to join, but nations from your region have, in very general terms, an extremely low RPing standard (which I could prove with a multitude of examples, in fact there are countless examples).

However, I normally don't use such trivial things as your region to gauge your RPing standard (especially since I know a nation that had been in EoA who wasn't bad). So, I looked at a few examples of your RPing (this, this, this, and this, all recent RP samples of yours) and I would say there is a very, very, very, very miniscule chance of you getting in.

That most likely means, in the kindest of words possible, no. Sorry. I would recommend you continue to improve your RPing skills, as you're welcome to apply again soon.

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To clarify, my nation IS NOT a dictatorship, and NEVER will it be.

The nation's executive council is a college of officials who jointly exercise the powers of the Head of State. President Evangeline Tannhauser is the representative and presides the council, and does not have any other powers.

Ah. gotcha.

i also thought the AK was a odd choice im changeing it to the vector and i do beleave heavily armoured suit are being used by small groups of infantry but ill exclude it

[Capisaria]

If it is not too late, we can contribute 20, 10 old, 10 brand new, cargo planes to the ICEH. They are fully in line with standard methods of flight, and can go up to 15,000kmh.

[Virana]

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i also thought the AK was a odd choice im changeing it to the vector and i do beleave heavily armoured suit are being used by small groups of infantry but ill exclude it

The Vector is an SMG that can't hit a target past 100 m. Again, the CoD-based nature is showing. If you want to keep the AK theme, go with AKM or AK-74. Since you're using 7.62 Soviet I'd recommend sticking with the AKM.

You also didn't prove, in any way, that your RPing is better than the samples I gave. The AK's not a major issue, although the Juggernaut is (your "small groups of infantry" using Jug suits are all in CoD bro. They're ridiculously bulky (being unmodified bomb squad suits), and wouldn't stop many bullets anyway. No, it doesn't take 50 bullets to pierce a bomb squad suit). The major issue here is the fact that you unfortunately lack quality in your RPing. However, there's plenty of room to get better. Don't take this as a negative, see it as someone telling you that you've got a lot of room for improvement and that you can do it.

[Sovjetia]

i also thought the AK was a odd choice im changeing it to the vector and i do beleave heavily armoured suit are being used by small groups of infantry but ill exclude it

The Vector is an SMG that can't hit a target past 100 m. Again, the CoD-based nature is showing. If you want to keep the AK theme, go with AKM or AK-74. Since you're using 7.62 Soviet I'd recommend sticking with the AKM.

You also didn't prove, in any way, that your RPing is better than the samples I gave. The AK's not a major issue, although the Juggernaut is (your "small groups of infantry" using Jug suits are all in CoD bro. They're ridiculously bulky (being unmodified bomb squad suits), and wouldn't stop many bullets anyway. No, it doesn't take 50 bullets to pierce a bomb squad suit). The major issue here is the fact that you unfortunately lack quality in your RPing. However, there's plenty of room to get better. Don't take this as a negative, see it as someone telling you that you've got a lot of room for improvement and that you can do it.

i know try dealing with my teacher and anyways i always have another gun up my sleave we woud have the P90 or the AKM