International Coalition for Expansion (MT signup)

[The IASM]

Should have posted my communiqe in the IC?

You posted it in the right spot.

So... you're almost on the verge of declaring war on an entire 37-nation alliance. Very smart.

I guess I'll respond ICly, but later. I feel like you just ripped the old ICE communique format though, you know the one I made. Either that or you ripped mine (which is almost the same thing).

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Number 1 is not particularly realistic. When nations face national annihilation the use of strategic weapons becomes a viable strategy. Israel has the 'Sampson Option' in which it plans to nuke all its neighbours if it looks like it is likely to go under. Pakistan has a similar strategy vis a vis India due to the big disparity in military power and i bet North Korea has something similar.

But it is an unwritten rule on NationStates: don't nuke unless:
1) both sides agree
2) there will be no dickwaving arguments since both sides accept defeat


I honestly feel like ICE is getting noobier and noobier...

Tick tock, tick tock,tick tock.

[Alexiandra]

I've decided to take Vorshka out of your collective hair for a while.

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[Virana]

I've decided to take Vorshka out of your collective hair for a while.

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You declared war because someone impose sanctions on your former alliance?!

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What happened to the diplomatic negotiations, counter-sanctions, and escalation of hostilities?

[Alexiandra]

I've decided to take Vorshka out of your collective hair for a while.

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You declared war because someone impose sanctions on your former alliance?!

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What happened to the diplomatic negotiations, counter-sanctions, and escalation of hostilities?

Slavers are not entitled to such diplomatic niceties.

[Glaswegistan]

Oh no I'm so scared. First of all, we're playing MT. Meaning your technology is limited to satellites and whatever we have now. So your space navy don't fly cowboy.

Precisely why I'm liable to just make the departure to full-on PMT and leave this clusterfuck behind.

It helps that theres fewer zionists in the PMT area. It speaks volumes that Neo-Nazi's and Thatcherites are more pleasant to deal with than Zionists, from experience.

[Alexiandra]

Oh no I'm so scared. First of all, we're playing MT. Meaning your technology is limited to satellites and whatever we have now. So your space navy don't fly cowboy.

Precisely why I'm liable to just make the departure to full-on PMT and leave this clusterfuck behind.

It helps that theres fewer zionists in the PMT area. It speaks volumes that Neo-Nazi's and Thatcherites are more pleasant to deal with than Zionists, from experience.

Ladies, ladies.

[Glaswegistan]

Precisely why I'm liable to just make the departure to full-on PMT and leave this clusterfuck behind.

It helps that theres fewer zionists in the PMT area. It speaks volumes that Neo-Nazi's and Thatcherites are more pleasant to deal with than Zionists, from experience.

Ladies, ladies.

Yeah yeah, fair do's; the Thatcherites are fair game though.

Sorry, I'm reminded too much of this one other guy I know, knew; call it a knee-jerk reaction. For what its worth, sorry about that one statement, but either way; chances are that I'm leaving for PMT, where the deer roam free and the advancement of science, unrestricted by corporate feudalism, isn't banned by law.

[Vorshka]

snip.

I actually ripped my communiqe of a communiqe guide for roleplaying in some random not used forum.

[Alexiandra]

I actually ripped my communiqe of a communiqe guide for roleplaying in some random not used forum.

Congrats

[Vorshka]

I actually ripped my communiqe of a communiqe guide for roleplaying in some random not used forum.

Congrats

I know,I am so smart etch.

[Glaswegistan]

Actually, screw it; I'm heading for PMT before I wind up getting banned.

I've had this conversation before, not on this site, and true, it was sort-of with a Fascistic Technophile (Assuming, of course; Ralkovia is not actually a German-American mechanic), but either way the two situations are too similar for comfort and I already know how this one ends. Wishing luck to the rest of ICE, I'll amend my signature to reflect the change shortly.

Just remember to flood his country with freedom fighters.

[Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army]

Okay, so who is actually participating now?

[Alexiandra]

Okay, so who is actually participating now?

I will be getting involved later - on whose side is another question.

[Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army]

Okay, so who is actually participating now?

I will be getting involved later - on whose side is another question.

Off topic, but I laugh how your post somehow has 9999 edits.

[Alexiandra]

I will be getting involved later - on whose side is another question.

Off topic, but I laugh how your post somehow has 9999 edits.

Yes! I got one. It's an old forum trick. Check the date on the edits... It's actually my sig (in reference to the supposed apocalypse which is meant to happen on Dec 21)

[Phonencia]

Actually, screw it; I'm heading for PMT before I wind up getting banned.

I've had this conversation before, not on this site, and true, it was sort-of with a Fascistic Technophile (Assuming, of course; Ralkovia is not actually a German-American mechanic), but either way the two situations are too similar for comfort and I already know how this one ends. Wishing luck to the rest of ICE, I'll amend my signature to reflect the change shortly.

Just remember to flood his country with freedom fighters.

GODDAMMIT!

Fucking Glaswegistanis can't commit to anything... >.>

OOC:
To issue a clarifier on the rule that my IC membership requires:
If anybody attempts to deprive Libraria and Ausitoria of the ability to nuke everything off the map; they shall nuke everything they choose off the map.

That, I believe, is a fairly simple rule of engagement. I should clarify that that if that is not acceptable to Ralkovia, neither is the existence of Ralkovia, and hence Ralkovia and Libraria and Ausitoria would logically have to exist in alternate realities, and in alternate realities only.

If Tl;dr: I will not accept any complete occupations of anybody as an end result to this conflict, unless everybody involved dies.

I do hope that clarifies the conditions of Libraria and Ausitoria fighting Ralkovia and Ralkovia fighting Libraria and Ausitoria.

Nukes are the lowest form of RPing and turn into a "Who has more nukes" rp. It only showcases those who can't RP when they desperately need it.


These are all rather normal rules. It's not like I'm doing or demanding something new.

We have about 3 real rules on nationstates.
1. Use of nukes is frowned upon.
2. Don't manipulate your population.
3. Play your time period. If it's MT it's MT.

The fact that your alliance can't follow those three rules is a real reflection on it's membership and could actually be the reason why your older members are leaving in droves. Other than that though, the only real rule I made was to Virana in "let's not destroy all our space shit."

A. Please refrain from making dick-ish comments about my Coalition
B. "leaving in droves" is hilariously over-dramatic. We've had one or two people REMIND ME to take their names off the member list (they left a while ago) and one member move on to PMT which ICE is incompatible with.
C. ICE has over 30 members. Three people leaving isn't that big of a deal.

[Ralkovia]

Actually, screw it; I'm heading for PMT before I wind up getting banned.

I've had this conversation before, not on this site, and true, it was sort-of with a Fascistic Technophile (Assuming, of course; Ralkovia is not actually a German-American mechanic), but either way the two situations are too similar for comfort and I already know how this one ends. Wishing luck to the rest of ICE, I'll amend my signature to reflect the change shortly.

Just remember to flood his country with freedom fighters.

GODDAMMIT!

Fucking Glaswegistanis can't commit to anything... >.>

Nukes are the lowest form of RPing and turn into a "Who has more nukes" rp. It only showcases those who can't RP when they desperately need it.


These are all rather normal rules. It's not like I'm doing or demanding something new.

We have about 3 real rules on nationstates.
1. Use of nukes is frowned upon.
2. Don't manipulate your population.
3. Play your time period. If it's MT it's MT.

The fact that your alliance can't follow those three rules is a real reflection on it's membership and could actually be the reason why your older members are leaving in droves. Other than that though, the only real rule I made was to Virana in "let's not destroy all our space shit."

A. Please refrain from making dick-ish comments about my Coalition
B. "leaving in droves" is hilariously over-dramatic. We've had one or two people REMIND ME to take their names off the member list (they left a while ago) and one member move on to PMT which ICE is incompatible with.
C. ICE has over 30 members. Three people leaving isn't that big of a deal.

Sorry. That was more in response to the people I've come across in this alliance. I'm sure the rest of your alliance is absolutely fine.

[Armageddon Steel Legion]

Phone, babe. You forgot to do.

"Damn Imperium can't commit to anything."

[Ralkovia]

Oh no I'm so scared. First of all, we're playing MT. Meaning your technology is limited to satellites and whatever we have now. So your space navy don't fly cowboy.

Precisely why I'm liable to just make the departure to full-on PMT and leave this clusterfuck behind.

It helps that theres fewer zionists in the PMT area. It speaks volumes that Neo-Nazi's and Thatcherites are more pleasant to deal with than Zionists, from experience.

Oh buzz off. The fact that you somehow think Zionism has anything to do with my attitude towards noobery, newbry, and wank is actually quite sad and reveals a personal bias bordering on the ridiculous. I find that people who have glas in their name are usually harder to deal with.

So please go to PMT, I don't think anyone is going to miss you.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

But it is an unwritten rule on NationStates: don't nuke unless:
1) both sides agree

Ridiculously unrealistic.

2) there will be no dickwaving arguments since both sides accept defeat

We do know what mutually assured destruction is, thanks for reminding us.

So, since this is the 'unwritten rule', are we following it? If so, since it's unrealistic, I'm afraid I can't participate. If we can nuke, no problem.

From a purely RP point of view, an RP where nukes actually are on the table could be extremely interesting. Everybody would have to fight the war and simultaneously prevent either side from starting a first strike. (Which would be quite an unusual RP - for instance, it would be important not to sink the enemy's ballistic missile submarines, so that the enemy didn't think they were loosing the nuclear edge and capacity to fire back).

[Phonencia]

But it is an unwritten rule on NationStates: don't nuke unless:
1) both sides agree

Ridiculously unrealistic.

2) there will be no dickwaving arguments since both sides accept defeat

We do know what mutually assured destruction is, thanks for reminding us.

So, since this is the 'unwritten rule', are we following it? If so, since it's unrealistic, I'm afraid I can't participate. If we can nuke, no problem.

From a purely RP point of view, an RP where nukes actually are on the table could be extremely interesting. Everybody would have to fight the war and simultaneously prevent either side from starting a first strike. (Which would be quite an unusual RP - for instance, it would be important not to sink the enemy's ballistic missile submarines, so that the enemy didn't think they were loosing the nuclear edge and capacity to fire back).

Don't get bitchy please. We can discuss using nukes later. The last thing we need is someone stomping out of the room/thread in a huff. Calm down and cross the bridge when we come to it.

Precisely why I'm liable to just make the departure to full-on PMT and leave this clusterfuck behind.

It helps that theres fewer zionists in the PMT area. It speaks volumes that Neo-Nazi's and Thatcherites are more pleasant to deal with than Zionists, from experience.

Oh buzz off. The fact that you somehow think Zionism has anything to do with my attitude towards noobery, newbry, and wank is actually quite sad and reveals a personal bias bordering on the ridiculous. I find that people who have glas in their name are usually harder to deal with.

So please go to PMT, I don't think anyone is going to miss you.

Cool it bro. Glaswegistan is alright. He's just, meh right now.

Phone, babe. You forgot to do.

"Damn Imperium can't commit to anything."

That's why I NS-married you. So I wouldn't have to remember to deploy my memes

[Virana]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=207008

We should OP that link too. If you guys want, send reps to that meeting (just pretend they're already there) and discuss.

[Ea90]

I honestly feel like ICE is getting noobier and noobier... I mean why the hell are we arguing who's gonna win? I thought the point of RPing was to write a good story regardless of who comes out on top. Arguing who is going to win is pointless since it's just big population, old nation, or just techwank your shit. It's a pointless argument.

This is essentially what I was trying to say.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Don't get bitchy please. We can discuss using nukes later. The last thing we need is someone stomping out of the room/thread in a huff. Calm down and cross the bridge when we come to it.

So we can, OOCly, be ready to use them? If so I'll prepare the fleet.

[Libertarian Governance]

Nation Name:The Free Republic of Libertarian Governance
National Leader(s): Robert Wilhelm Stratton
National/Most Common Religion: Athiest, Christian, Muslim, Jewish in that order
Government Form: Controlled Anarchy
Military Strength: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=22501
Main Infantry Weapon: Shrec AWS
Main Battle Tank: Katana MBT
Main Fighter Plane: Chimera ATF
Main Naval Warships: Well we use carrier battle groups
Infantry Calibers Used: 6.3 mm Caseless
Military Service Branches: LGDF
Infantry Body Armor: Dragon Scale
Are You Willing to Switch to the 6.5x39mm ICE Cartridge for Your Main Rifle?: Nope
Are You Willing to Assist in Offensive Military Operations?: Yes
List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: Unified realm, Greater Prussia
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: 5 billion Gold Coin a year
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: We will supply 5 billion Gold coin in aid per year
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: Nope
Are You Willing to Volunteer Extreme-Climate Areas of Your Nation for Training Exercises?: Yes
If Yes, List Areas and Climate: We are a tropical environment with some high mountains(snow) and desert areas
Other Facts You Believe ICE Should Know About Your Nation:

Crimes Against Humanity Acts


Description:
Crimes Against Humanity are particularly odious offenses in that they constitute a serious attack on human dignity or grave humiliation or a degradation of one or more sentient beings. They are not isolated or sporadic events, but are part either of a government policy or of a wide practice of atrocities tolerated or condoned by a government, business entity or of any other de facto authority. Said crimes shall include slavery; murder; extermination; torture; rape; sexual assault on persons under the age of 12; political, racial, or religious persecution where they are part of a widespread or systematic practice.

Definitions:
Human, Persons, People - For each of these words the term applies to sentient beings whether human or non-human.

Slavery - A system in which sentient beings are held against their will and forced to work or perform other duties while being deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation.

Material Support - The act of giving the slightest financial, military, physical or political assistance to any person, organization or nation engaged in the practices of any crime against humanity.

Trafficking - The act of moving an individual, either within a nation, across borders, through international waters or airspace, for the purposes of delivering that individual to a person, organization or nation that will commit a crime against humanity against said person.

Declares:
1. Crime Against Humanity are any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
(e) Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental individual inherent rights and or of due process;
(f) Torture;
(g) Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
(h) Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender to include persons defining themselves as gay, lesbian or homosexual, or other grounds;
(i) Sexual assault of any person under the age of 12;
(j) The crime of apartheid;
(k) Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.

2. Libertarian Governance courts shall have jurisdiction over any and all crimes against humanity committed anywhere in the world regardless of whether said crimes were committed outside the boundaries of Libertarian Governance, regardless of nationality of the accused or victims, regardless of the country of residence of the victims or accused, regardless of any other relation with Libertarian Governance.
(a) Crimes against humanity shall be considered a crime against all sentient beings.
(b) Libertarian Governance law enforcement, military and intelligence agencies are explicitly authorized to act to stop crimes against humanity anywhere in the world and to further kill, seize or prosecute perpetrators of such crimes.
(c) Libertarian Governance law enforcement, military and intelligence agencies are explicitly authorized to seize or destroy property used in the commission of or furtherance of crimes against humanity anywhere in the world.

3. Any person, organization, or other entity who provides material support to any any person, organization or nation engaged in the practices of any crime against humanity shall themselves be guilty of conspiracy to commit a crime against humanity.

4. Any person, organization, or other entity who provides for the transport of persons that are the victim of any crime against humanity specified herein shall be guilty of trafficking the victims of a crime against humanity.

5. Enslaved persons may only be found guilty under this law as stated in accordance with the rulings made in Libertarian Governance v Charles Ling.
(a) Persons who have not reached the age of majority in their home countries may claim the protections provided enslaved persons under Libertarian Governance v Charles Ling as it is recognized by Libertarian Governance that such people are in fact treated as slaves and as such are often not acting on their own free will.

5. Punishment for any conviction under this law shall be death by hanging.

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