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Arthurista
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Postby Arthurista » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:35 pm

Phonencia wrote:
The Free Monarchy of Daragal wrote:Anybody have the link to the actual invasion/battle IC thread?



Anyone have any idea how we can shut off a few thousand of Ralk's slave collars in rapid succession? An EMP likely won't work because I'm pretty sure he insulates most of the electronics against it.


Military grade hardware are probably EMP-proof. Can he afford to harden trillions of slave collars against pulse though?

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Phonencia
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Postby Phonencia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:00 am

Arthurista wrote:
Phonencia wrote:

Anyone have any idea how we can shut off a few thousand of Ralk's slave collars in rapid succession? An EMP likely won't work because I'm pretty sure he insulates most of the electronics against it.


Military grade hardware are probably EMP-proof. Can he afford to harden trillions of slave collars against pulse though?


The the electrical components are pretty small I'm guessing so yeah prolly.
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Postby Post War America » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:38 am

Manual disarmament is pretty much the only thing that would work in the case that the collars are EMP shielded. In which case the collars are too strong to remove, instead one might be able to reprogram them.
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Postby Phonencia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:37 am

Post War America wrote:Manual disarmament is pretty much the only thing that would work in the case that the collars are EMP shielded. In which case the collars are too strong to remove, instead one might be able to reprogram them.


Hmmm...perhaps. I wonder, would a super magnet be able to fry the electronics and such inside?
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:57 am

How about a little sneaky computer virus?
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Postby Phonencia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:29 am

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:How about a little sneaky computer virus?


Hmmm...perhaps...

EDIT: JAMMERS! We can use jammers to prevent the slave masters from sending the "Kill Signal" to the slave collars. That'll buy us enough time to fuck up their built in clock and/or the electrodes it uses for the shock. *steeples fingers in evil contemplation*
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Glaswegistan
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Postby Glaswegistan » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:59 am

Well there goes what my suggestion was going to be...

...Then again, I suppose the mass-scale deployment of mind-altering chemical agents to send them all feral is a bit much.
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Postby Finorskia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:53 am

Phonencia wrote:
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:How about a little sneaky computer virus?


Hmmm...perhaps...

EDIT: JAMMERS! We can use jammers to prevent the slave masters from sending the "Kill Signal" to the slave collars. That'll buy us enough time to fuck up their built in clock and/or the electrodes it uses for the shock. *steeples fingers in evil contemplation*


I propose the infiltrators be the best spe-ops from all nations.

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Postby Phonencia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:27 pm

Finorskia wrote:
Phonencia wrote:
Hmmm...perhaps...

EDIT: JAMMERS! We can use jammers to prevent the slave masters from sending the "Kill Signal" to the slave collars. That'll buy us enough time to fuck up their built in clock and/or the electrodes it uses for the shock. *steeples fingers in evil contemplation*


I propose the infiltrators be the best spe-ops from all nations.


DHEP Task Force 13/1'st Echelon
Finorskian Ghosts
Emmerian Navy SEALs
CNA Seraphs
etc.

Sounds like a good idea. The Insurrectionary Revolutionary Army will be running guerilla warfare ops behind enemy lines to cripply supply lines. Your main military forces should assist whenever possible.
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Postby Ea90 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:33 pm

Is there room for a Yanintovian special forces unit?

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Volgovad
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Postby Volgovad » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:37 pm

Ea90 wrote:Is there room for a Yanintovian special forces unit?


I think we can use all the firepower we are willing to spare.
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Armageddon Steel Legion
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Postby Armageddon Steel Legion » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:44 pm

I can give you some Krieg Grenadiers, who will sacrifice themselves, if we get discovered. I also say we use Centaur light assault carriers.

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Ea90
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Postby Ea90 » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:47 pm

Volgovad wrote:
Ea90 wrote:Is there room for a Yanintovian special forces unit?


I think we can use all the firepower we are willing to spare.

I mean for the ship raid.

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Postby Armageddon Steel Legion » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:49 pm

Ea90 wrote:
Volgovad wrote:
I think we can use all the firepower we are willing to spare.

I mean for the ship raid.


The Centaur is small enough to get through the corridors... So we could use it's fire-power.
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Volgovad
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Postby Volgovad » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:53 pm

Ea90 wrote:
Volgovad wrote:
I think we can use all the firepower we are willing to spare.

I mean for the ship raid.


Oh, well that would be up to Pho then. Sorry, I should have read the above posts a bit more throughly.
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Arthurista
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Postby Arthurista » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:36 pm

Phonencia wrote:
Finorskia wrote:
I propose the infiltrators be the best spe-ops from all nations.


DHEP Task Force 13/1'st Echelon
Finorskian Ghosts
Emmerian Navy SEALs
CNA Seraphs
etc.

Sounds like a good idea. The Insurrectionary Revolutionary Army will be running guerilla warfare ops behind enemy lines to cripply supply lines. Your main military forces should assist whenever possible.


I'd pitch in some Arthuristan Force Zero as well.

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Sodthron
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Postby Sodthron » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:46 pm

Nation Name: The Confederacy of Sodthron
National Leader: Rone Taskus
National/Most Common Religion: Athiesm/Agnosticism
Government Form: Libertarian Socialism
Military Strength: 9 210 000
Main Infantry Weapon: KL-62c
Main Battle Tank: Axe-2 Heavy Tank
Main Fighter Plane: Kt-1a 'Jayarp'
Main Naval Warships: Cobalt Class Cruiser
Infantry Calibers Used: 6.5 Grendel
Military Service Branches: Sodthronese Ground Forces, Sodthronese Air Force, Sodthronese Navy, e7S (Special Forces), Sodthronese Guard (Essentially ground forces)
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List All Other Alliances You Are a Member of: None
Do You Want to Make a Monetary Donation to the ICE Humanitarian Branch?: 3 000 000 s̊ (1 000 000 $)
Do You Want to Make a Materiel Donation to the ICEH or Peacekeeping Corps?: No.
Are You In Need of Military Aid?: No.
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Phonencia
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Postby Phonencia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:52 pm

Ea90 wrote:Is there room for a Yanintovian special forces unit?


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Postby Armageddon Steel Legion » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:58 pm

Phonencia wrote:
Ea90 wrote:Is there room for a Yanintovian special forces unit?


Five men yes.



Five Death Korps grenadiers? Yay.
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Finorskia
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Postby Finorskia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:05 pm

Phonencia wrote:
Finorskia wrote:
I propose the infiltrators be the best spe-ops from all nations.


DHEP Task Force 13/1'st Echelon
Finorskian Ghosts
Emmerian Navy SEALs
CNA Seraphs
etc.

Sounds like a good idea. The Insurrectionary Revolutionary Army will be running guerilla warfare ops behind enemy lines to cripply supply lines. Your main military forces should assist whenever possible.


I thought I was also going to be running guerrilla warfare ops as well. I mean my ORBAt (what I have of it so far) is pretty much centered around the 16th Guerrilla Regiment.

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Virana
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Postby Virana » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:44 pm

Armageddon Steel Legion wrote:
Ea90 wrote:I mean for the ship raid.


The Centaur is small enough to get through the corridors... So we could use it's fire-power.

Remember guys, we're not blowing this ship to bits. We're not gonna damage the ship at all save for the firefighting with the ship' security detail. We're going for almost zero casualties (come on, it's a visit/board/search/seizure op to take a ship, we don't need siege vehicles, AT, Centaurs, tons of firepower, etc.) All we need is a couple machine gun armed heli's (I'm talking simple spec-ops modified UH-60 Black Hawks), a couple helicopter snipers (I'll provide one team), and some short-barreled carbines (roughly 10-14 in barrels, keep it compact for closed quarters)/SMGs/etc.

Hell, we're not even gonna shoot at someone until they shoot first. If someone pops up unarmed they're gonna simply get pinned on the ground and handcuffed. No suicidal special forces (this is a high-level operation, that doesn't happen in reality).

Here's my outline of the operation.

5 ICE Special Operations Craft-Riverine will aggressively approach the ship, taking out its armed escorts (if they fire first). We'll have two Black Hawks drop some guys on an LZ, drop another few guys on another LZ. They'll clear the ship while at least one helicopter provides machine gun air support using its door-mounted MGs, while another two have a single 2-man sniper team each trained in helicopter sniping that can provide effective precision support as well.

Remember, keep collateral damage to a minimum. We don't want to accidentally sink this ship.
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Postby Ralkovia » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:47 pm

Virana wrote:
Armageddon Steel Legion wrote:
The Centaur is small enough to get through the corridors... So we could use it's fire-power.

Remember guys, we're not blowing this ship to bits. We're not gonna damage the ship at all save for the firefighting with the ship' security detail. We're going for almost zero casualties (come on, it's a visit/board/search/seizure op to take a ship, we don't need siege vehicles, AT, Centaurs, tons of firepower, etc.) All we need is a couple machine gun armed heli's (I'm talking simple spec-ops modified UH-60 Black Hawks), a couple helicopter snipers (I'll provide one team), and some short-barreled carbines (roughly 10-14 in barrels, keep it compact for closed quarters)/SMGs/etc.

Hell, we're not even gonna shoot at someone until they shoot first. If someone pops up unarmed they're gonna simply get pinned on the ground and handcuffed. No suicidal special forces (this is a high-level operation, that doesn't happen in reality).

Here's my outline of the operation.

5 ICE Special Operations Craft-Riverine will aggressively approach the ship, taking out its armed escorts (if they fire first). We'll have two Black Hawks drop some guys on an LZ, drop another few guys on another LZ. They'll clear the ship while at least one helicopter provides machine gun air support using its door-mounted MGs, while another two have a single 2-man sniper team each trained in helicopter sniping that can provide effective precision support as well.

Remember, keep collateral damage to a minimum. We don't want to accidentally sink this ship.


Yeah, there are 15k slaves on board. Sinking the ship would be a bad idea.
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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:13 am

I can lend a frigate with a helicopter. The helicopter being the useful part of the combination...
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Arthurista
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Postby Arthurista » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:14 am

My ORBAT for the slave ship raid:

1 x Lafayette Class stealth frigate - APNS Ariadne

1 x Merlin helicopter (machine gun, rockets)

5 Arthuritan Marine Commandos

1 x assault boat.
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Postby Virana » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:09 pm

Arthurista wrote:My ORBAT for the slave ship raid:

1 x Lafayette Class stealth frigate

1 x Merlin helicopter (machine gun, rockets)

5 Arthuritan Marine Commandos

1 x assault boat.

We could take the heli but no using its rockets. If it's an attack helicopter I'd advise against it; transport helicopters with door-mounted machine guns are best for the operation.

We could use your frigate as a launch point, sort of a mothership for our forces that're gonna take this thing out. The frigate won't be launching missiles or anything, just giving the special forces a launchpad basically.

The assault boat could join in defeating the slave ship's escorts and help in boarding the slave ship as soon as the heli-borne forces arrive.
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