AMW Big Discussion Thread

[Old Tyrannia]

Ah, the children of Africa are playing. It warms my heart to see such li'l munchkins playing withh their toys. Of course that continent is already a shithole, so why not invade Europe with a combined military?

That's Stage 2- right now, we need to deal with these Western capitalist scumdogs who deny the divine right of the Pharaoh. Let's see if their false god protects them from Kemetic tanks, eh, comrade?

[Chemaki]

Ah, the children of Africa are playing. It warms my heart to see such li'l munchkins playing withh their toys. Of course that continent is already a shithole, so why not invade Europe with a combined military?

That's Stage 2- right now, we need to deal with these Western capitalist scumdogs who deny the divine right of the Pharaoh. Let's see if their false god protects them from Kemetic tanks, eh, comrade?

Capitalist? We don't even have a currency!

[Old Tyrannia]

That's Stage 2- right now, we need to deal with these Western capitalist scumdogs who deny the divine right of the Pharaoh. Let's see if their false god protects them from Kemetic tanks, eh, comrade?

Capitalist? We don't even have a currency!

We don't care. If you're not Kemetic, you're heathen, capitalist and asiatic to boot. Also, considering that Kemet at this stage is over 7,000 years old, Chrin, I don't think they really qualify as 'children'.

[Belgeland]

You know it might work if Belgeland threw it's support behind the Aventines (specifically France) during the Great War due to the lighting advance of the Valendians into France.

Currently the French managed to keep them at bay during the Seige of Paris, maybe Belgeland had something to do with that, since if Valendia seized France, would they really stop there?

That is possible (though I might have to have had a Walloon PM at the time ), although probably only on the basis of defending France, rather than being a member of the Aventines bloc. Then fighting against oakist nations in Holstein as well as potential Valendian attack on Belgeland proper could cause us to be overstretched and come close to collapse. Once we manage to regain control at the end of the war, the new constitution is brought in to (amongst other things) prevent us getting embroiled in similar wars in the future?

Could work I guess.

EDIT: Moved from apps thread to remove clutter.

[Tahuantinsuyu Empire]

Well, suddenly there is a lot to think about!

Point the first: Valendia and Francisco Pizarro. Is it workable still for his conquistadores to arrive in the 1520s, from Valendia, and to remain there abouts until finally defeated in the 1530s? Valendia's not busy doing something else at the time?

Point the second: The Azores, and Cortez. The death of Guacamaya Inka and the capture of Cortez and his equipment are things that I'd certainly like to retain. I don't mind what becomes of the Azores next, so long as in the last year or two they were in a position to sponsor a mercenary invasion of Tawantinsuyu.

Point the third: Hironeidan and the Inka. What do you want out of our shared history? I'm okay with some territory that is now Inkan having once been Hironeidan (or Seviran?), and/or with some territory that is now Hironeidan having once been Inkan. After all, IRL Jujuy province in Argentina ought to have been part of the Inka Empire, but it isn't part of my current claim.

Inka history in AMW is very similar to IRL until the late stages of the civil war between Atahuallpa and Huascar, wherein by sheer chance it's Atahuallpa, not his half-brother, who dies of introduced disease (probably smallpox), leaving a violently insane Huascar to show Pizarro no mercy. So, from the early/mid 1530s, the Empire has an unopposed single ruler who is infamously bloodthirsty, and who has captured a couple of dozen Valendian horses with which to establish a stables to supply an elite cavalry force, the likes of which native American warfare has never known, and with the help of hostage/bribed Valendians soon obtains the means to produce iron and gunpowder.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Inka in the middle of the C16th then began to expand into Hironeidan/Sevir with their large, disciplined armies now increasingly resistant to foreign disease and equipped with an elite cavalry unit and some iron weapons and matchlock muskets. But due to our distrust of and disdain for the Europeans, the Empire essentially closes itself off from contact with anyone it can't conquer, and in our isolation our technology advances slowly after the initial boost following Valendian contact, and it would be entirely possible for Huascar's conquests to be reversed at any point over the next four centuries.

[Nilosahara]

Hey, what's this about an African game? What's up?

[Old Tyrannia]

Hey, what's this about an African game? What's up?

Oh, me and my heretical capitalist friends are planning a little conflict in North Africa.

[Abruzi]

Hey, what's this about an African game? What's up?

Oh, me and my heretical capitalist friends are planning a little conflict in North Africa.

With glorious Italian Paras dropping into Dien Bien Ph...er....uh...someplace sandy. Seriously though, when that thread is up telegram me.

[Europe - Prussia]

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Of course. As I said before, in that time, Valendia was like RL Spain, so if you need zealous Catholic invaders, you have plenty of them here . Just a quick note: Valendia was founded in the XIX century. The country that accupied the peninsula in that time is called......Spain. The only difference between AMW Spain and RL Spain is that instead of Muslims, there's geletian celts.

About Cortes, if the Cortes that you need is a descendant of the original one then I have no problem with that. But I can't say the same with the original one because he's part of my history.

[Chrinthanium]

I'm not worried about Kemetic tanks, nor it's Air Force, nor it's Navy. We'll see you before you know we've seen you. Trust me on that one. Besides, central Asia? Well, you'd have to worry more about the Byzantine Empire throwing up one hell of a roadblock for that kind of victory.

[Hironeidan]

Point the third: Hironeidan and the Inka. What do you want out of our shared history? I'm okay with some territory that is now Inkan having once been Hironeidan (or Seviran?), and/or with some territory that is now Hironeidan having once been Inkan. After all, IRL Jujuy province in Argentina ought to have been part of the Inka Empire, but it isn't part of my current claim.

Well, as I've now touched up my history on the off-site to coincide with the understanding that we had Spanish conquistadors, the century war (that ended with Spain conquering Sevir and granting Hironeidan its independence). Since both Hironeidan and Spanish Sevir would have borders with Inka territory at the time, I imagine your xenophobic mad Inka chief would consider a just cause for invading either or both. It might make more sense if they had invaded the Sept, since Hironeidan would have had less guns, and less horses by far.

And for what its worth, Hironeidan sept doesn't reach as far as Jujuy, the northernmost point would be in the southern edges of Chaco Boreal/Gran Chaco methinks.

[Chemaki]

I'm not worried about Kemetic tanks, nor it's Air Force, nor it's Navy. We'll see you before you know we've seen you. Trust me on that one. Besides, central Asia? Well, you'd have to worry more about the Byzantine Empire throwing up one hell of a roadblock for that kind of victory.

We can always dream. :3

[Maxen von Bismarck]

All right, my first... Hesitant, steps towards a Areopagite military. Comments always appreciated!

[Chrinthanium]

As a player in Oceania, I am concerned about Les Jeremies and Zanziiks return. They've been quiet for some time now. CTEing is not good in AMW as that's usually when your claim is removed from the map. N so, if you two read this, let us know what's up. We don't worry about low activity, but no activity is bad.

[Cassanos]

All right, my first... Hesitant, steps towards a Areopagite military. Comments always appreciated!

Well then:
First of all, your army seems rather large (assuming that your figures describe active forces). 442,000 troops for a population of about 12.5 million (i.e., about 3.5%) is what military experts term as "a huge shitload". So either you'd rely on a large mass of conscripts, or maybe reduce the active force in favour of reserves and/or armed paramilitary (like the different Revolutionary Guards or the Gendarmerie IRL).

Second, I like how your army's equipment is very diverse, however, I'm not quite sure where you'd get your equipment from.
Some things don't yet have a manufacturer in AMW (such as the M60A1/A3) or come from countries which might not export to you; such as Modravia with the Russian stuff, Byzantium with the Otokar, the Shield with the DANA SPH, France, or also Nibelunc, which would produce the SKOT, among other things.
So that would have to be sorted out.

BTW, since I mentioned it above - what ARE the relations between Aero and Nibelunc?

[Chrinthanium]

Cass!

Nate's still waiting somewhere in stasis for your post! LOL

[Maxen von Bismarck]

All right, my first... Hesitant, steps towards a Areopagite military. Comments always appreciated!

Well then:
First of all, your army seems rather large (assuming that your figures describe active forces). 442,000 troops for a population of about 12.5 million (i.e., about 3.5%) is what military experts term as "a huge shitload". So either you'd rely on a large mass of conscripts, or maybe reduce the active force in favour of reserves and/or armed paramilitary (like the different Revolutionary Guards or the Gendarmerie IRL).

Second, I like how your army's equipment is very diverse, however, I'm not quite sure where you'd get your equipment from.
Some things don't yet have a manufacturer in AMW (such as the M60A1/A3) or come from countries which might not export to you; such as Modravia with the Russian stuff, Byzantium with the Otokar, the Shield with the DANA SPH, France, or also Nibelunc, which would produce the SKOT, among other things.
So that would have to be sorted out.

BTW, since I mentioned it above - what ARE the relations between Aero and Nibelunc?

It's one of the problems with my claims geographic uniqueness, and how it spreads across three different countries. I have done my best to approximate population, but in composing my military I added together NationMaster statistics. You're right, it's higher than it should be but I have no idea what percentage I'm aiming for. A certain amount of excess can be attributed to the RL basis for my stats. Libya, and to an extent Algeria, have large conscript armies with considerable paramilitary forces in various states of decay. For the most obvious reasons, the future won't have me mimicking those unrepentant heathens! Admittedly, I had no idea that 3.5% was "a huge shitload" (I've never heard of it before, European thing I'm guessing? I never got used to the metric system ) so at least I have some idea of what I don't want to be.

I'm imagining that Areopagitican would have a respectable military whose size leans towards unseemly (large) but not excessively so. Mostly volunteer, but with a component of conscripts (probably arranged in 'home defense' battalions that carry significant religious overtones!). What percent would that be? I admit my military science knowledge is virtually nonexistent.

As for the diversity of equipment, that's mostly for reference and I'm not going to defend my laziness. It's a list of what could, theoretically, be my nation's equipment. Yet, as before, there's no easy way to distinguish what portion of Libya's and Algeria's equipment I should be able to possess because my territory does leave portions of both un-Areopagite. Equally, I doubt that in my final draft I'll be keeping a thousand useless, antiquated, MBTs (even if I could convince Modravia!) around.

I have a lot of work ahead of me.

Relationship between Nibelunc and Areopagitican? I'd say complicated. You're a bunch of secularists and while that doesn't sit perfectly with us, it could be a lot worse. Besides, we have oil and you have delicious cars. We do love fast cars and slow women.

[Chrinthanium]

And Chrinthani's like fast women (or men), large cars and trucks, and big shineys!

[Chemaki]

Well then:
First of all, your army seems rather large (assuming that your figures describe active forces). 442,000 troops for a population of about 12.5 million (i.e., about 3.5%) is what military experts term as "a huge shitload". So either you'd rely on a large mass of conscripts, or maybe reduce the active force in favour of reserves and/or armed paramilitary (like the different Revolutionary Guards or the Gendarmerie IRL).

Second, I like how your army's equipment is very diverse, however, I'm not quite sure where you'd get your equipment from.
Some things don't yet have a manufacturer in AMW (such as the M60A1/A3) or come from countries which might not export to you; such as Modravia with the Russian stuff, Byzantium with the Otokar, the Shield with the DANA SPH, France, or also Nibelunc, which would produce the SKOT, among other things.
So that would have to be sorted out.

BTW, since I mentioned it above - what ARE the relations between Aero and Nibelunc?

It's one of the problems with my claims geographic uniqueness, and how it spreads across three different countries. I have done my best to approximate population, but in composing my military I added together NationMaster statistics. You're right, it's higher than it should be but I have no idea what percentage I'm aiming for. A certain amount of excess can be attributed to the RL basis for my stats. Libya, and to an extent Algeria, have large conscript armies with considerable paramilitary forces in various states of decay. For the most obvious reasons, the future won't have me mimicking those unrepentant heathens! Admittedly, I had no idea that 3.5% was "a huge shitload" (I've never heard of it before, European thing I'm guessing? I never got used to the metric system ) so at least I have some idea of what I don't want to be.

I'm imagining that Areopagitican would have a respectable military whose size leans towards unseemly (large) but not excessively so. Mostly volunteer, but with a component of conscripts (probably arranged in 'home defense' battalions that carry significant religious overtones!). What percent would that be? I admit my military science knowledge is virtually nonexistent.

As for the diversity of equipment, that's mostly for reference and I'm not going to defend my laziness. It's a list of what could, theoretically, be my nation's equipment. Yet, as before, there's no easy way to distinguish what portion of Libya's and Algeria's equipment I should be able to possess because my territory does leave portions of both un-Areopagite. Equally, I doubt that in my final draft I'll be keeping a thousand useless, antiquated, MBTs (even if I could convince Modravia!) around.

I have a lot of work ahead of me.

Relationship between Nibelunc and Areopagitican? I'd say complicated. You're a bunch of secularists and while that doesn't sit perfectly with us, it could be a lot worse. Besides, we have oil and you have delicious cars. We do love fast cars and slow women.

Oooh, is this to do with the African war? If so, I'm happy to post Ghamadulla's military numbers.

[Old Tyrannia]

All right, my first... Hesitant, steps towards a Areopagite military. Comments always appreciated!

My problems with the military are more to do with equippment. It's a real pain trying to remember what does and doesn't exist- and I can't even mass-produce my own weaponry, because Kemet's supposed to be fairly backwards. Imagine a world where the giant African Communist empire actually has a highly advanced military to boot.

[Belgeland]

Right now I'm trying to put together an account of what happened in the Great War (as it stands it seems everyone has a vague idea of bits of it, but they don't all match up).

I could do with people dropping into irc to give me help in what they think they're nation would have been doing in each year. Crucially, I lack stuff from Acadzia, Valendia, the Caliphate, Kemet, and the Shield. Most of the other stuff I have enough of a grasp of to put a proposal thing forward. Should be done in a few hours. Kinda just have to do random guesswork otherwise

[Old Tyrannia]

Right now I'm trying to put together an account of what happened in the Great War (as it stands it seems everyone has a vague idea of bits of it, but they don't all match up).

I could do with people dropping into irc to give me help in what they think they're nation would have been doing in each year. Crucially, I lack stuff from Acadzia, Valendia, the Caliphate, Kemet, and the Shield. Most of the other stuff I have enough of a grasp of to put a proposal thing forward. Should be done in a few hours. Kinda just have to do random guesswork otherwise

That'll be because I don't use IRC.

[Beth Gellert]

I think that Kemet could conceivably produce a large portion of its own military equipment, but it would tend to be dated, and increasingly so, as the limited economy wouldn't be able to keep pace with changes abroad. Even the RL Sudan produces smallarms, artillery, and tanks, but they're mostly I think Sudanese knock-offs of Chinese knock-offs of Cold War Soviet kit.

Ach, PC trouble. Back later.

[Chemaki]

I think that Kemet could conceivably produce a large portion of its own military equipment, but it would tend to be dated, and increasingly so, as the limited economy wouldn't be able to keep pace with changes abroad. Even the RL Sudan produces smallarms, artillery, and tanks, but they're mostly I think Sudanese knock-offs of Chinese knock-offs of Cold War Soviet kit.

Ach, PC trouble. Back later.

Sounds more like what Ghamadulla would do, than Khemet. At least those pseudo-religious scum have some sort of respect for themselves and their militaries

[Belgeland]

Ack, this took longer than I thought it would: http://z7.invisionfree.com/A_Modern_Wor ... wtopic=545

Hopefully that is close enough to just need tweaking, rather than a major overhaul. Thoughts?