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Postby Marimaia » Wed May 10, 2017 7:11 am

*waves* Hey hey. Is there any room for an old-timer to slip back in? It's been about seven years (that makes me feel old). I've had a chat with BG and Chrin on IRC about a possible return but the potential claim needs some further input so I'm throwing it open for you guys to pick apart before I actually put it forward. It's a little basic at the moment but I can flesh it out considerably once it's been talked over.

So my idea is for a more 'Western' reboot of the original Marimaia, which some of you may remember. Basically put, it would be a totalitarian-ish monarchical state with fairly liberal social policies, very much in the vein of 'benevolent dictatorship' although it's really just to keep the citizenry from getting any silly democratic notions ("you don't need to elect a leader, your monarch gives you all the rights you could want"). The Suun dynasty in the original was more Kim-style so this time around I was thinking of a proper monarchy which behaves rather like the House of Saud, in that the monarch is the big power while their brothers/sisters/cousins/favourites fill out governmental positions. In terms of the economy, 'industries of strategic significance' will be firm monopolies controlled by the more business-minded members of the extended royal family but overall it will operate as a capitalist system. Freedom of religion officially exists although active religions must abide by the slew of 'guidelines' issued by the government, things like "no political commentary", etc. The prevailing attitude will be very much a case of the monarchy stamping their will on the nation because it's "theirs", a slightly justified attitude for historical reasons which shall be further explored below.

My initial idea for the history is that Marimaia started off as a colonial possession of another nation, although the colony either ran into difficulty (due to rampant nearby piracy, horrible mismanagement, belligerent 'natives', disease outbreaks, something like that) or the colonial master lost interest/ran out of funds. The colony was then sold to/thrown at a noble family which expressed an interest in taking it over, and the noble family managed to turn the newly independent nation around and expand by using 'any means necessary'. Among other things, this would have involved the use of slave labour by simply 'conscripting' indigenous peoples and working them until they couldn't work any longer. Although slavery no longer exists in Marimaia, the damage to the indigenous population has been done in that there are very few proper indigenous communities left (fresh diseases brought in didn't help with that); the modern population is comprised primarily of the descendents of the colonists/later immigrants and the mixed-race descendents which resulted from the indigenous population being 'incorporated' into the nation. So ideally I'd love to have one nation as the original colonising power and a different nation as the origin of the now-royal family, who may have left their home nation for any number of reasons (got on the wrong side of a power struggle or a civil war, for example). However, I'd have no problem with the original coloniser and the origin of the family being the same nation, either way it would work out. I'd be looking for Marimaia to have been independent and festering on their own for at least a hundred years, obviously the longer they've been independent the more the nation will have assumed its own unique identity. Marimaian culture would be primarily influenced by the now-royal family's origin with a mish-mash of aspects from immigrant influx and some desirable elements from 'quaint native practise'.

As for location of this potential claim, I'm looking more towards Asia than anywhere else (partly because Marimaia was an Asian nation, but also because the monarchy can play the Red Scare card due to the proximity of Dra-pol and Soviet India). I was thinking maybe the Philippines, however Marimaia could equally exist as a fiefdom carved out of Chinese territory or even potentially as a major departure for Japan (which would not be the high-tech wonderland of RL as Marimaia). The historical background is up for debate as well, it could easily be a case of a politically exiled population landing in uncolonised territory and going to town with their new virgin homeland under the guidance of the family who now rule as royalty.

So what do peeps think?

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Postby Chrinthanium » Wed May 10, 2017 8:00 am

Well, I am fully supportive of your return. I would have absolutely no issue with your taking the Philippines or Japan, but, due to my location, I'd rather have you in the Philippines. Certainly Chrinthania will probably not agree with the manner in which your nation operates (in spite of the fact we're a Constitutional monarchy, we do champion a lot of personal freedom and democracy), but we probably wouldn't be very vocal about it unless certain abuses of power were very easily noticed, particularly by investigative reporting by the CBC. Seems that when you fill in the blanks, it'll be a great idea and I am happy to have you back in AMW. Asia and Oceania will be the most fabulous part of AMW now. Europe is crumbling, Asia/Oceania is rising!
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Postby The United Gulf States » Wed May 10, 2017 9:02 am

Wow! Good news there!

I don't know whether you remember Lusaka, but some of its core characters are still alive, Derek Igomo and Livingstone Miyanda et al back as rebels rather than rulers, in North America.

If nothing else works out in the hunt for powerful individuals to take-over the colony in question, the disunited history of United Gulf States is characterised by lots of terrible Europeans making themselves exceedingly wealthy at the expense of even more indigenous and transported African people in the Americas... The wealthiest of them tending to be Walmingtonian, they began to fall-out with the mother-country in a serious way from the 1770s, as anti-slavery judgements first passed there.

While most chose to work on independent nation-building around the Gulf, some might not want to wait and compete if they see an easy way to get a start elsewhere. Some would have noble connections, but most were new-money: merchants, slave-traders, plantation owners, landlords in the New World, and the thing many of them wanted most was to stop the sneering of their noble peers who still refused to see them as equals no matter how rich they became. There'd be a number of hyper-rich ethnic Walmingtonians (and smaller numbers of other Europeans (Gandvian, Valendian, Italian, perhaps even one or two Shieldian)) with experience of developing fiefdoms in Louisiana, Texas, Tamaulipas, etc, who'd jump at the chance to found their own noble dynasty, while continuing to develop their slave-trading and plantation-owning portfolios.

Then you have options in the modern day when it comes to international partners. The powerful liberal democracies of Chrinthania, California, America, or the white-supremacist pariahs of the Gulf States if you don't fancy playing nice.

In short, I approve and am willing to help!

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Postby Marimaia » Wed May 10, 2017 9:04 am

Chrinthanium wrote:Well, I am fully supportive of your return. I would have absolutely no issue with your taking the Philippines or Japan, but, due to my location, I'd rather have you in the Philippines. Certainly Chrinthania will probably not agree with the manner in which your nation operates (in spite of the fact we're a Constitutional monarchy, we do champion a lot of personal freedom and democracy), but we probably wouldn't be very vocal about it unless certain abuses of power were very easily noticed, particularly by investigative reporting by the CBC. Seems that when you fill in the blanks, it'll be a great idea and I am happy to have you back in AMW. Asia and Oceania will be the most fabulous part of AMW now. Europe is crumbling, Asia/Oceania is rising!


Thanks Chrin :)

I must admit that the Philippines makes far more sense than Japan for several reasons. For one, it's closer to you, BG, Dra-pol, as well as the holdings of both WoS and Valendia so I'd have more variety and opportunity for interactions right on my doorstep. There's also the fact that the same reasons which made the RL Philippines relatively easy for the Spanish to colonise could be applied to the newly-independent colony, such as the fact that in the 1500s there were about 660,000 inhabitants spread throughout the entire island chain, while in Japan at that same time there were about 8 million inhabitants. Obviously I know that in AMW that doesn't really mean much, but it does give me something of a 'precedent' to run with in my own ideas.

It could always be a case that the initial colony bore the brunt of typhoons and uncooperative indigenous rulers, but the noble family who acquired it took a different tack, relocated the primary settlements and brought in mercenaries. The sheer number of islands mean that there could have easily been pirates operating in the chain to make the original colony even more unprofitable, while the new owners might be more willing to reach an accommodation with them, giving them a home and a place to trade stolen wares in return for payment until a crackdown on piracy by other powers led them to incorporate the pirates as citizens (thus gaining a small navy in the process) while turning on those who refused the offer and therefore might bring down the wrath of other powers on the fledgling nation.

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Postby Marimaia » Wed May 10, 2017 9:09 am

The United Gulf States wrote:Wow! Good news there!

I don't know whether you remember Lusaka, but some of its core characters are still alive, Derek Igomo and Livingstone Miyanda et al back as rebels rather than rulers, in North America.

If nothing else works out in the hunt for powerful individuals to take-over the colony in question, the disunited history of United Gulf States is characterised by lots of terrible Europeans making themselves exceedingly wealthy at the expense of even more indigenous and transported African people in the Americas... The wealthiest of them tending to be Walmingtonian, they began to fall-out with the mother-country in a serious way from the 1770s, as anti-slavery judgements first passed there.

While most chose to work on independent nation-building around the Gulf, some might not want to wait and compete if they see an easy way to get a start elsewhere. Some would have noble connections, but most were new-money: merchants, slave-traders, plantation owners, landlords in the New World, and the thing many of them wanted most was to stop the sneering of their noble peers who still refused to see them as equals no matter how rich they became. There'd be a number of hyper-rich ethnic Walmingtonians (and smaller numbers of other Europeans (Gandvian, Valendian, Italian, perhaps even one or two Shieldian)) with experience of developing fiefdoms in Louisiana, Texas, Tamaulipas, etc, who'd jump at the chance to found their own noble dynasty, while continuing to develop their slave-trading and plantation-owning portfolios.

Then you have options in the modern day when it comes to international partners. The powerful liberal democracies of Chrinthania, California, America, or the white-supremacist pariahs of the Gulf States if you don't fancy playing nice.

In short, I approve and am willing to help!


I do remember Lusaka! Not that well admittedly, but I definitely remember the name Derek Igomo :) Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated.

It's funny that you mention Italians, I was thinking earlier that "Marimaia!" works quite well if used as an exclamation in an Italian accent. Having the ruling family as new-money now turned royalty works just as well as them being displaced nobles, if not even better. It would make them far more motivated to stamp themselves on the territory as they feel that they have something to prove.
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Postby Chrinthanium » Wed May 10, 2017 9:14 am

Marimaia wrote:
Chrinthanium wrote:Well, I am fully supportive of your return. I would have absolutely no issue with your taking the Philippines or Japan, but, due to my location, I'd rather have you in the Philippines. Certainly Chrinthania will probably not agree with the manner in which your nation operates (in spite of the fact we're a Constitutional monarchy, we do champion a lot of personal freedom and democracy), but we probably wouldn't be very vocal about it unless certain abuses of power were very easily noticed, particularly by investigative reporting by the CBC. Seems that when you fill in the blanks, it'll be a great idea and I am happy to have you back in AMW. Asia and Oceania will be the most fabulous part of AMW now. Europe is crumbling, Asia/Oceania is rising!


Thanks Chrin :)

I must admit that the Philippines makes far more sense than Japan for several reasons. For one, it's closer to you, BG, Dra-pol, as well as the holdings of both WoS and Valendia so I'd have more variety and opportunity for interactions right on my doorstep. There's also the fact that the same reasons which made the RL Philippines relatively easy for the Spanish to colonise could be applied to the newly-independent colony, such as the fact that in the 1500s there were about 660,000 inhabitants spread throughout the entire island chain, while in Japan at that same time there were about 8 million inhabitants. Obviously I know that in AMW that doesn't really mean much, but it does give me something of a 'precedent' to run with in my own ideas.

It could always be a case that the initial colony bore the brunt of typhoons and uncooperative indigenous rulers, but the noble family who acquired it took a different tack, relocated the primary settlements and brought in mercenaries. The sheer number of islands mean that there could have easily been pirates operating in the chain to make the original colony even more unprofitable, while the new owners might be more willing to reach an accommodation with them, giving them a home and a place to trade stolen wares in return for payment until a crackdown on piracy by other powers led them to incorporate the pirates as citizens (thus gaining a small navy in the process) while turning on those who refused the offer and therefore might bring down the wrath of other powers on the fledgling nation.

Sounds quite entertaining and interesting. I can't wait to see your fleshed-out history.

Marimaia wrote:
I do remember Lusaka! Not that well admittedly, but I definitely remember the name Derek Igomo :) Any help you can offer will be greatly appreciated.

It's funny that you mention Italians, I was thinking earlier that "Marimaia!" works quite well if used as an exclamation in an Italian accent. Having the ruling family as new-money now turned royalty works just as well as them being displaced nobles, if not even better. It would make them far more motivated to stamp themselves on the territory as they feel that they have something to prove.

You actually got TUGS to post something. How impressive is that. I'm certain with TUGS assisting, maybe Gandvik might be interested, perhaps even some random infusions of various other locales blending in to create this ripper claim. With your ability and some historical intrigue, she'll be right.

EDIT: Looks like I need to remember I'm an American.
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Postby Marimaia » Thu May 11, 2017 1:12 pm

So now that I've decided on the family being ethnic Walmingtonian 'new money merchants/slave traders' from TUGS, I've started writing some historical background and all I need is an original coloniser and a year for the family to have bought the colony from them. Once I've got that, I'll be set.

They're called the Margraves, and will go quite 'Old English' with their first names (so Lysander, Cleantha, Edlyn, that sort of thing).

I've been doing some reading up on the natural resources of the Philippines and they've got some nice stuff. Some natural gas, unexploited gold and silver deposits...I think the Margraves are going to be doing just fine.

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Postby Chrinthanium » Thu May 11, 2017 1:34 pm

Marimaia wrote:So now that I've decided on the family being ethnic Walmingtonian 'new money merchants/slave traders' from TUGS, I've started writing some historical background and all I need is an original coloniser and a year for the family to have bought the colony from them. Once I've got that, I'll be set.

They're called the Margraves, and will go quite 'Old English' with their first names (so Lysander, Cleantha, Edlyn, that sort of thing).

I've been doing some reading up on the natural resources of the Philippines and they've got some nice stuff. Some natural gas, unexploited gold and silver deposits...I think the Margraves are going to be doing just fine.

Is that all? :P
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Postby Marimaia » Thu May 11, 2017 2:37 pm

Chrinthanium wrote:
Marimaia wrote:So now that I've decided on the family being ethnic Walmingtonian 'new money merchants/slave traders' from TUGS, I've started writing some historical background and all I need is an original coloniser and a year for the family to have bought the colony from them. Once I've got that, I'll be set.

They're called the Margraves, and will go quite 'Old English' with their first names (so Lysander, Cleantha, Edlyn, that sort of thing).

I've been doing some reading up on the natural resources of the Philippines and they've got some nice stuff. Some natural gas, unexploited gold and silver deposits...I think the Margraves are going to be doing just fine.


Is that all? :P



Well, "I'll be set" as in I can really plough into everything and get it turned out. I've TGed TUGS to try and nail down a good date, since the Margraves will be Gulfers I need a good idea of when they could have left there. Given the position of the claim and the group's previous talk about Indonesia it seems as though Gandvik is the most logical original coloniser but obviously I need permission to go ahead with that.

I think it's reasonable to say that there will have been, as you so aptly described them, 'some random infusions of various other locales' because the Margraves would welcome immigration which would help them displace the 'intransigent natives' as well as bulking out the potential workforce, and I do like the idea of Marimaia having a culture which arose from a blend of other cultures. It's just a question of whether it's best to create the culture and then work backwards to pull in specific groups, or to see which groups are available and then build the culture from that information.

If you're taking the mickey out of the resources, there's also great agriculture and the geothermal potential's good too. Plus the copper, nickel, chromite, and other stuff under the ground. It may not have the resource potential of Chrinthanium, but then Nate's empire is considerably larger so it's to be expected :p If we go after the Spratly Islands then there's oil and more gas potential; that's a thought, does anyone own them in AMW?

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Postby Chrinthanium » Thu May 11, 2017 2:40 pm

Marimaia wrote:
Chrinthanium wrote:
Is that all? :P



Well, "I'll be set" as in I can really plough into everything and get it turned out. I've TGed TUGS to try and nail down a good date, since the Margraves will be Gulfers I need a good idea of when they could have left there. Given the position of the claim and the group's previous talk about Indonesia it seems as though Gandvik is the most logical original coloniser but obviously I need permission to go ahead with that.

I think it's reasonable to say that there will have been, as you so aptly described them, 'some random infusions of various other locales' because the Margraves would welcome immigration which would help them displace the 'intransigent natives' as well as bulking out the potential workforce, and I do like the idea of Marimaia having a culture which arose from a blend of other cultures. It's just a question of whether it's best to create the culture and then work backwards to pull in specific groups, or to see which groups are available and then build the culture from that information.

If you're taking the mickey out of the resources, there's also great agriculture and the geothermal potential's good too. Plus the copper, nickel, chromite, and other stuff under the ground. It may not have the resource potential of Chrinthanium, but then Nate's empire is considerably larger so it's to be expected :p If we go after the Spratly Islands then there's oil and more gas potential; that's a thought, does anyone own them in AMW?

I was taking the piss on resources, yes :lol: I can't help it that we're the lucky country. Also, Spratly Islands are, to the best of my knowledge, completely open for the taking in AMW. IRL, that's a contentious issue.
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Postby Marimaia » Fri May 19, 2017 5:36 pm

Hey all, I've started a story thread if anyone wants to send any diplomats/arrange negotiations/etc. There'll be development of the ongoing integration of Sabah as well as the 'escapades' of King Lyander and the House of Margrave.

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Postby Chrinthanium » Sun May 21, 2017 12:20 pm

WoS...

It's been brought up a few times in IRC, so I thought we should bring it up here. At least Amerique and I were hoping the Drapol Wars still existed. With a smaller claim under your control, we can see the need for you to recruit allies for such a campaign if you so wish and, at least as far as Chrinthania is concerned, we heeded the call. Of course, I see our portion of the war rolling for us much like Gallipoli did IRL for the Australians. Outside of that, whatever direction you'd like it to go, obviously I can follow. I know Amerique also discussed it as something he hoped that remained due to the Phucket concession he has and its working within his overall claim. I'll let him talk about that, though.

Just coming up with history for Chrinthania and how to do it and give it some highs and lows. This was something I thought would work well under the current set up of AMW.
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Postby The United Gulf States » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:04 pm

"It's been nearly three years" I thought, "By now, TUGS' economy and military capacity must be in need of a major update!" and so I did some rough calculations. Defence budget up by less than $1.2 billion. That probably wouldn't buy a Californian fighter-pilot's flight-suit, for oppression's sake!

Might scrub Operation Antagonise Everyone, for now at least.

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Postby Chrinthanium » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:05 pm

The United Gulf States wrote:"It's been nearly three years" I thought, "By now, TUGS' economy and military capacity must be in need of a major update!" and so I did some rough calculations. Defence budget up by less than $1.2 billion. That probably wouldn't buy a Californian fighter-pilot's flight-suit, for oppression's sake!

Might scrub Operation Antagonise Everyone, for now at least.

You and Beeg had the same idea... he's just got more money pumped into his defense force to do just that. You could at least antagonize California and America.
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Postby Marimaia » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:19 pm

The United Gulf States wrote:"It's been nearly three years" I thought, "By now, TUGS' economy and military capacity must be in need of a major update!" and so I did some rough calculations. Defence budget up by less than $1.2 billion. That probably wouldn't buy a Californian fighter-pilot's flight-suit, for oppression's sake!

Might scrub Operation Antagonise Everyone, for now at least.


Don't forget that you've got the Kingdom of Marimaia trading with you these days, that might let you buy two flight-suits :p Seriously though, I think it's reasonable to say that TUGS and the KoM would have some form of tech sharing/joint development thing going on. The Kingdom regards TUGS as their 'father country' as that's where the Margraves came from.

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Postby Chrinthanium » Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:29 pm

Marimaia wrote:
The United Gulf States wrote:"It's been nearly three years" I thought, "By now, TUGS' economy and military capacity must be in need of a major update!" and so I did some rough calculations. Defence budget up by less than $1.2 billion. That probably wouldn't buy a Californian fighter-pilot's flight-suit, for oppression's sake!

Might scrub Operation Antagonise Everyone, for now at least.


Don't forget that you've got the Kingdom of Marimaia trading with you these days, that might let you buy two flight-suits :p Seriously though, I think it's reasonable to say that TUGS and the KoM would have some form of tech sharing/joint development thing going on. The Kingdom regards TUGS as their 'father country' as that's where the Margraves came from.

And don't think we're not holding them responsible for that. *waggles finger at TUGS from down unda'*
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Postby Chemaki » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:27 am

I'm back and remotely active now, guys! Got a bit tired of just trying to redraft my factbook again and again, so I decided to actually have a try at some roleplay (revolutionary, I know!). This is just a teaser for now - I'll do a follow up post explaining more what's going on, and whilst it is a bit spur-of-the-moment, it does mean any nation is open to throw their hat in the ring and send an official response (most likely a condemnation).

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Postby Chrinthanium » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:43 pm

So, Mari and I were talking in IRC and came up with a bit of history between ourselves. At some point between the time Alexander III starts the colony and today, we have a race to claim a lot of tiny islands in the Pacific. It was a race between the Chrinthani and the Marimaians until we finally expanded enough and the Marimaians seemingly stopped. Perhaps realizing they couldn't compete with their southern cousins. While we're still working on the specifics of everything we did, it is bringing us to a conclusion that to accomplish our goals we are going to expand a bit.

I'll let Mari explain his expansion, but I'll tell you mine....

Cook Islands (9,556)
American Samoa (54,194)
Samoa (198,926)
Niue (1,190)
Tonga (106,515)
Tokelau (1,285)
Tuvalu (10,959)
Wallis and Futuna (15,664)
Fiji (915,303)
French Polynesia (285,321)

This expansion would bring to the Chrinthani population a total of an additional 1,598,911 people bringing Chrinthania's total population up to 40,894,236. Geographically speaking, it adds 26,894 square kilometers of land to Chrinthania, which is negligible compared to it's current 8.92 million square kilometers.
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Postby Marimaia » Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:09 pm

Chrinthanium wrote:So, Mari and I were talking in IRC and came up with a bit of history between ourselves. At some point between the time Alexander III starts the colony and today, we have a race to claim a lot of tiny islands in the Pacific. It was a race between the Chrinthani and the Marimaians until we finally expanded enough and the Marimaians seemingly stopped. Perhaps realizing they couldn't compete with their southern cousins. While we're still working on the specifics of everything we did, it is bringing us to a conclusion that to accomplish our goals we are going to expand a bit.

I'll let Mari explain his expansion, but I'll tell you mine....

Cook Islands (9,556)
American Samoa (54,194)
Niue (1,190)
Tonga (106,515)
Tokelau (1,285)
Tuvalu (10,959)
Wallis and Futuna (15,664)
Fiji (915,303)
French Polynesia (285,321)

This expansion would bring to the Chrinthani population a total of an additional 1,399,985 people bringing Chrinthania's total population up to 40,695,310. Geographically speaking, it adds 24,063 square kilometers of land to Chrinthania, which is negligible compared to it's current 8.92 million square kilometers.


The expansion I'm proposing for the Kingdom of Marimaia is as follows:

Palau (17,948)
Federated States of Micronesia (106,104)
Guam (162,742)
Northern Mariana Islands (53,467)

It would add 340,261 people, bringing the Marimaian population to 104,865,198 and add a teeny 1841.55 square km of land to the existing 372,500 square km of Marimaian territory.

The reasoning behind this expansion is that the Margrave expedition would have sailed past some of these islands on the way to Marimaia from North America and would have undoubtedly tried to acquire them. As Chrin stated our thinking is that there was some kind of 'island race' between us where the Margraves started snapping up islands, Chrinthania responded by bringing other islands under their protection and the Margraves subsequently halted their expansion as they could see that Chrinthania was way too strong for them to attack at the time (just as an example, we haven't fleshed out the history properly yet). The islands under Marimaian control would be administered as the "Captaincy General of Takamakua" with the native nobility left in place under a Marimaian Governor-General, as several tribes swore fealty to the Crown rather than be crushed; the Marimaians using the old 'ally with one tribe against a second tribe, then crush first tribe' strategy, but they permitted the continued existence of tribes who swore fealty without needing to be coerced. Chief among these tribes being the Takamakua, who did such a good job of collaborating that the Margraves named the area after them and elevated them above the others. The Takamakua would also be the source of a Marimaian version of the Gurkhas, except in this case they are more of an elite guard of tattooed warriors for the Margraves (who would be regarded as Chiefs Among Chiefs in Takamakuan society). The Captaincy General of Takamakua would also be a tourist destination for Marimaians to come and gawp at the tribals, have their picture taken with genuine tribespeople and stay in genuine tribal accommodation, etc. (possibly, not set in stone atm).

It would leave the Marshall Islands and Kiribati free for any would-be colonial powers who fancy some Pacific islands, as I'm basing this expansion on the RL ideas of "Greater Philippines" and the Spanish East Indies while gaining some extra flavour and history for the Kingdom of Marimaia.
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Postby Chrinthanium » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:58 pm

I edited in Samoa, too. Because it's there and right next to American Samoa. Now it's united.

Also, this brought to light the issue of governance. Rather than have simple provinces, there will be 'nations' within the nation. Kind of like a United Kingdom, only we don't use that pretitle. All Chrinthani islands that are, IRL, on the Eastern side of the International Date Line will be shifted to the Western side of the International Date Line due to them being in close relation with Darionopolis (RL Sydney). I'll work out just what those UTC offsets are if this is approved.
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Postby Chemaki » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:40 am

I don't think either of you are going to have much resistance to your expansions - it's incredibly unlikely anyone will want to make a nation of Pacific Islanders (I've never seen it before, since the islands are so remote from the rest of the world and so low-population) and if they are snapped up they're most likely going to end up as forgotten-about colonies of some other nation. I'm all for it!

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Postby Chrinthanium » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:17 am

Chemaki wrote:I don't think either of you are going to have much resistance to your expansions - it's incredibly unlikely anyone will want to make a nation of Pacific Islanders (I've never seen it before, since the islands are so remote from the rest of the world and so low-population) and if they are snapped up they're most likely going to end up as forgotten-about colonies of some other nation. I'm all for it!

Thank you, Chemaki. I'll be checking out your thread when I get a chance after work.

Also... I decided that I will, as stated, bend the International Date Line to keep all Chrinthani territory on the same day. American Samoa and Niue will shift from UTC -11 to UTC +13, Cook Islands Time Zone/Tahiti Time Zone (all the same time) and Marquesa Time Zone will shift from UTC -10 and UTC -9:30 respectively to UTC +14, and Gambier Time Zone will shift from UTC -9 to UTC +15. This allows everything to shift forward one 24-hour period and doesn't disrupt sunrise and sunset times and all of that. All told, Chrinthania will stretch from UTC +8 to UTC +15 once all is approved.

EDIT: last one, I promise...

The GDP overall will increase by almost 16 billion dollars to 1,574,447,715,233.28. The GDP per capita will come down to 38,500.48 per capita. This is probably not a necessary downward adjustment, but some of those islands are so poor economically that it actually just brought the per capita down naturally.
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Postby Marimaia » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:11 am

Chemaki wrote:I don't think either of you are going to have much resistance to your expansions - it's incredibly unlikely anyone will want to make a nation of Pacific Islanders (I've never seen it before, since the islands are so remote from the rest of the world and so low-population) and if they are snapped up they're most likely going to end up as forgotten-about colonies of some other nation. I'm all for it!


Cheers for the support Chemaki :)

Regarding GDP and all that jazz, are we using GDP per capita (nominal) or GDP per capita (PPP)? At the moment I'm operating with a GDP per capita (nominal) of $8,300 (with the RL Philippines having a figure of $3,280 for the same measure). If we're using GDP per capita (PPP) then I'd like to aim Marimaia at having a similarly-sized economy to that of RL Thailand (not massive, but also not terrible); so I'm thinking of a GDP per capita (PPP) of $11,600. That would then give Marimaia an economy with an overall GDP of $1,216,436,296,800, so hovering between RL Egypt and RL Thailand.

Basically Marimaia needs more than twice the population of Chrinthania to get an economy worth about $360 billion less, which doesn't seem overly unfair to me.
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Postby Chrinthanium » Fri Jun 16, 2017 7:59 am

So either tonight or tomorrow I will update the map to reflect the changes discussed since there are no objections. The claims list on post 2 of the apps thread is updated as of now.

On a side note, the more I try to work out everything as far as administrative divisions so, I feel the need to over complicate the matter just to have an excuse to use a Venn Diagram.
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Postby Chrinthanium » Sat Jun 17, 2017 6:06 pm

The map has been updated with the latest adjustments. I have also removed McMulland. :(
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