AMW Big Discussion Thread

[Chrinthania]

Happy NS birthday, Iansisle!

I am only moving my 2nd claim, thus that should only count for half a shot......

[Beth Gellert]

Ten more years! Ten more years!

Iechyd da, Iansisle [raises 99p can of ale]

[Nova Gaul]

And many happy returns Ian!

I think I speak for the entire AMW community when I say...

[Acadzia]

D'aww, that was epic Ian.

I feel bad for ever leaving. But, AMW's pull is irresistible, so I always find my way back.

Aye, to 10 more years!

[Cassanos]

To A Modern World and to you, the best community I could have hoped for. We have told tales together, we have laughed together, and occasionally we have been drinking together. No matter where we all live, there is a place on this series of tubes that I can call home.

Here's to you, AMW. Ten more years of stories, hippos and things she most definitely said.

[Chrinthania]

That's what she said....

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

I just wanted to let everyone know that I am, shockingly, still here, but my semester's been extremely demanding (dissertation/fieldwork preparation) for the summer, so I put AMW on hiatus, but I'm not totally abandoning Byz but need some time to sort my school stuff out!

[The Amyclae]

That's what she said....

Nailed it!

[Cassanos]

In the best traditions of AMW:

Nailed it!

Just like your mom.

[Walmington on Sea]

If this is the best tradition of AMW, I think it may be time for a ride in the car. Who wants a ride in the car? ((Jangles car keys)) Ride in the car, boy? ((Phones ahead for the vee ee tee to have a shot and a bin-bag ready))

[Chrinthania]

In the best traditions of AMW:

Nailed it!

Just like your mom.

And your face.

If this is the best tradition of AMW, I think it may be time for a ride in the car. Who wants a ride in the car? ((Jangles car keys)) Ride in the car, boy? ((Phones ahead for the vee ee tee to have a shot and a bin-bag ready))

**growls and stands in the kitchen**

[Nova Gaul]

Okay gentlemen, after much help and advice I finally have gotten something up about the French military.

As a wise man said to do, most of it is based around Portugal. Two notable exceptions:

*I gave France a Slava class missile cruiser as a flag ship
*I gave France two amphibious transport docks, older ones though

I know there will be comments/criticisms, and I'll happily taken them, but let it be known I tried to make it congeal to what the France I proposed would be able to do.

[Chrinthania]

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Good morning, Icarie

Okay gentlemen, after much help and advice I finally have gotten something up about the French military.

As a wise man said to do, most of it is based around Portugal. Two notable exceptions:

*I gave France a Slava class missile cruiser as a flag ship
*I gave France two amphibious transport docks, older ones though

I know there will be comments/criticisms, and I'll happily taken them, but let it be known I tried to make it congeal to what the France I proposed would be able to do.

At least your country can afford things like, erm, military.......

[Cassanos]

Okay gentlemen, after much help and advice I finally have gotten something up about the French military.

As a wise man said to do, most of it is based around Portugal. Two notable exceptions:

*I gave France a Slava class missile cruiser as a flag ship
*I gave France two amphibious transport docks, older ones though

I know there will be comments/criticisms, and I'll happily taken them, but let it be known I tried to make it congeal to what the France I proposed would be able to do.

Looks legitimate to me - though note that as of today, the A-400M has not yet entered serial production, though it is scheduled to replace the C-160 in Nibelung and Valendian service.
As for Airbus and Eurocopter designs in general, Nibelung was likely very much against sharing designs and equipment with France, and only Valendian (and possibly Roman) pressure made them relent. Only a minor bit of flavour .

[Nova Gaul]

Okay gentlemen, after much help and advice I finally have gotten something up about the French military.

As a wise man said to do, most of it is based around Portugal. Two notable exceptions:

*I gave France a Slava class missile cruiser as a flag ship
*I gave France two amphibious transport docks, older ones though

I know there will be comments/criticisms, and I'll happily taken them, but let it be known I tried to make it congeal to what the France I proposed would be able to do.

Looks legitimate to me - though note that as of today, the A-400M has not yet entered serial production, though it is scheduled to replace the C-160 in Nibelung and Valendian service.
As for Airbus and Eurocopter designs in general, Nibelung was likely very much against sharing designs and equipment with France, and only Valendian (and possibly Roman) pressure made them relent. Only a minor bit of flavour .

*Shakes fist in the air at Cass*

To hell witch ya, then, Cass! I'll see to it that the Nibs never get a drop of malt whiskey again, or, some good cheese, either. If you don't improve your attitude, well, there go the delicious preserves too!

In any case, sir, I am sure that France could have bought the Airbus models for 'civilian' use and converted them over at a later time. I did speak with EP about this breifly, that Air France as a carrier uses Airbus. Easy enough to send them over to the other side of the tarmac, so to speak. Also a good point about the A-400M, and I imagine it was quite the coup for France to get its ringed hands on that one! Damn it looks cool, almost Third Reich-ish. Do keep in mind though the France would be one of the largest importers of Nib luxury goods...so hopefully that would soften Munstra's assitude somewhat?

Indeed, Chrin! Looking forward to see how things develop in Icarie. Looks as though you can afford a decent riot squad or two, eh?

[Iansisle]

And, of course, if France needs some dependable low-cost passenger and cargo aircraft, I know a certain country they might look to.

[Nova Gaul]

Hello gentlemen. So, first let me point out how grateful I am to TCB (as I am sure many of us are at many times). I just received one of the most technologically helpful TGs I’ve ever received, where that most decent chap painstaking went though pages of militaria with me on how to make AMW-France more realistic and feasible. I can’t say enough about the kind and extremely adroit assistance! Just thought I’d let you all know too.

Upshot is, thanks to his sound advice, I will be adjusting my navy. Indeed, have adjusted my navy. Not in scope but in content (and, arguably, quality)…I have decided to do the more sensible thing and rather than have a hodgepodge of RL Portuguese and Dutch material (which doesn’t yet exist in AMW or may exist in the future under another player) use ships from the tried and true Royal Navy: namely the Type 22/21 frigates, but also auxiliary ships and my new flagship: a Type 84 destroyer (aka light cruiser).

Also will be using several native English models of APCs and armored cars…for ease of reference I’ll be keeping the Anglo names. However, should they ever be used in RP, please know I will be Francofying them. For example, the Humber Pig would be the Cochon Blindé (I ;love this model name, sounds like the name for a great heavy-metal band too) and so forth. Not a major change by any means, but I just wanted to put it out there. I do suppose it means that the French Navy has risen several notches in quality (and is a hell of a lot better looking), but it would still be reasonable for my country and not a power grab, by any means, to become a mighty blue-water force.

[Chrinthania]

I figured it best to post this in here too, from this point forward....

AMW Changelog:
Updated: 2 June 2013 11:47 EDT (UTC -4)

• Aegyptus removed due to CTE
• Canaan removed due to CTE
• Nilosahara removed due to resignation
• Icarie added to North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and parts of West Virginia (Berkeley, Jefferson, and Morgan Counties)
• France (?) added to Parts of the United Kingdom (Wales; parts of England (Ceremonial counties of Cornwall, Devon, Somerset, Dorset, Hampshire, West Sussex, East Sussex, Kent, Surrey, Berkshire, Wiltshire, Bristol, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Greater London, Essex, Hertferdshire, Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire, Cambridgeshire, Herefordshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Rutland, Leicestershire, West Midlands, Shropshire, Cheshire, Staffordshire, and Derbyshire))
• Transferred the Spice Islands from the former Nilosahara to Walmington-on-Sea

**Just an FYI, it takes me awhile to update everything completely, but, sometimes, in all the rush, I still miss a few things, so let me know if I did (either this post, or the AMW Claims Thread on the offsite)

[Lormont]

Hi, people. I hate to intrude, but is there anyway one could apply for this group? I've happened across multiple application threads, all of which seem to be closed...

[Nova Gaul]

But of course!

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[Walmington on Sea]

While I continue to work on a fresh factbook and to await the next step in the Battle for Amberland, a moment aside to address the departure of Nilosahara and its implications.

Certainly, this doesn't represent the same level of upheaval that the loss of the USQ did in AMW V1.0, not by a long stretch, but I'd still like to deal with it properly.

I'm thinking that a news post describing the conclusion of the Walmingtonian re-invasion of the Spice Islands ((Zanzibar, Pemba, Mafia)) and their reincorporation into the Empire is certainly in order, and that obviously we can't leave all of Nilosahara-as-was in NPC form, nor really add that much to the Walmingtonian Empire. It'd feel like a waste of potentially several African claims.

So perhaps a limited retcon by which Nilosahara, and before it Byzantine East Africa, is much smaller. Prerequisites would be that it has a coastline near the Spice Islands, and ideally that it should also share a border with the Congo, while taking up as little space and population as is realistically possible.

Essentially, Nilosahara's old southern Sudanese territories, Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, and Kenya can, I think, safely be returned to the dragons. But even to retain all of Tanzania seems excessive, given its own considerable population ((45 million and rising, including the 1.3 million-plus of the Spice Islands)). However, the regions of Tanga, Pwani, Dar es Salaam, Manyara, Morogoro, Dodoma, Iringa, Mbeya, Singida, Tabora, and Rukwa look reasonably tidy together on a map, stretch from coast to Lake Tanganyika ((and upon it the Congolese border)), and, according to the 2012 census in Tanzania, account for 21,504,634 people ((after subtracting the 46,438 residents of Mafia Island, administered IRL from the mainland, and in AMW as part of the Spice Islands)), leaving more than 22 million Tanzanians for future claims.

I'm thinking that these regions could be Nilosahara, formerly Byzantine East Africa, and before that the Bantu Kingdom.

1150s, emerging Bantu Kingdom establishes influence over previously Arab-ruled Spice Islands;

1650s, declining Bantu Kingdom recognises Walmingtonian suzerainty over the Spice Islands;

mid 1700s to early 1800s, Byzantine presence in the region turns to conquest of fractured Bantu states and alliances between local rulers and Byzantines against Walmingtonian interest on the mainland;

Great War, Byzantine forces attack Geletian Congo on and across Lake Tanganyika, Royal Navy and Merchant Marine assist Byzantine effort as Anglo-Greek relations improve;

post-war, in light of growing popular resistance and war-ravaged state of Byzantine economy, Constantinople grants independence to a minority-lead Republic of East Africa, an apartheid state dominated by the Falster family;

1965, beginning-in-earnest of the Nilosaharan Bush War and gradual rise of Robert Bantu;

1983, election of Robert Bantu as apartheid state dismantled and new Republic of Nilosahara proclaimed;

1987, Bantu orders invasion of the Walmingtonian Spice Islands, accomplished by surprise with the use of relatively sophisticated apartheid-era weapons and aircraft and possible Gandvian technical assistance;

1989-92, series of serious civil conflicts, sometimes stoked by Walmingtonian support for opponents of Bantu, who uses chemical weapons and 'dirty war' tactics;

1999, Nilosaharan economy finally implodes after years of failing to attract foreign investment, mounting debts (perhaps to Gandvian and other anti-Walmingtonian creditors?), and Bantu's massive embezzlement;

2012, civil conflict again worsens, Bantu accused of genocidal actions against minorities, Walmington intervenes militarily, bombarding government targets with cruise missiles, enabling rebels to close-in on President Bantu;

2013, Walmington launches an amphibious assault on the Spice Islands, Robert Bantu is killed by rebel forces, Nicholas Garricone heads interim administration and returns Spice Islands to the English 26 years after Bantu's invasion, Walmingtonian protectorate established over Tribal States of East Africa, granting local autonomy to the various races of Nilosahara and English control of collective foreign affairs.

So, 1,350,007 people are added to the Walmingtonian Empire, in the Spice Islands, while a further 21,504,634 come under English protection, though not officially direct rule.

I'm also wondering whether to drop any or all of English Upper Nubia in light of this unexpected twist, though it has come up a bit in character back-story and RP, so I'm unsure as yet.

Does anyone have any thoughts on any of the above?

[Chrinthania]

I'm fine with your additions.

As far as the Sudanese portion, I think it looks rather odd on the map as it is. Of course, this isn't about aesthetics. I had thought that, rather than you just lose it all, you simply move it to portions of the former Nilosahara to go along with the Spice Islands. That's about the only real suggestion I have on the matter. Sorry if it isn't much help. I just don't know what, if any, reason there is to keep or to discard the Sudanese portion. I suppose it's entirely up to you.

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

Hey Walmington,

I am totally fine with that version of history, although of course the Byzantines wouldn't be totally pleased with English suzerainty over Nilosahara, it's fair to say they prefer the English over Robert Bantu!

[United Kongo]

My only suggestion is that Perhaps Bantus men could use the Congo during the 1970s as a base of operations to launch into Nilosahara. Pretty much it

[Nova Gaul]

Looks good by me, WoS, as usual.