AMW Big Discussion Thread

[Beddgelert]

Excellent. An accidental and short-lived Geletian colonial empire =)

I'd probably recommend returning post Great War to Tsag control, as mullt-national control by the victors would likely end up with Walmington and Amerique partitioning the Kongo between themselves a al the British and French in the former Ottoman Empire, unless I'm much mistaken. Regarding continued Geletian interest in the country, I can certainly say that Geletians really don't like the Tsag (#understatement #wearecurrentlytryingtoexterminatethem), and would generally be keen to do what they can to under-mine their influence. Probably during the Principality after the Great War (from 1945-1982) any interaction from the Geletian state would be fairly cynical and exploitative, and any involvement in actually fighting Tsag colonial rule would have to be the work of private citizens, as the country was officially allied to Tsalland (despite most of the general population remaining extremely hostile). After the Geletian Revolution of 1982, though, especially during the idealistic phase running until 1989, Beddgelert will probably have been enthusiastically supportive of the Socialist state, keen to supply arms, industrial equipment, training and education or whatever else may be needed. Today a more mixed situation in which we officially approve of the central government, but may well get involved in underhanded business if it seems likely to help us gain access to valuable minerals.

(I'm sure that to this day the Geletians will maintain that we didn't want to keep the Kongo, anyway... they don't even drink down there!)

Er, in short, feel free to assume more or less Geletian involvement/investment/trade/meddling depending on what suits.

[United Kongo]

Yeah I think I will go with Tsags being handed back control of the Congo in 1945, but deciding to hastily desert the colony after being presented a very hostile population, around 1953. As for continued Geletian involvement in the Congo, I'd imagine given their war like nature, quite a few Celts would have been happy to sell their services as mercenaries to the myriad stew of corporations pushing thier agenda on the new state during it's time of turmoil (1953?-1959) and civil war (1966-1967)

As for Geletian colonial rule, I'm guessing it would be quiet nasty towards the start given the fact they'd just been handed a large colony with hundreds of different ethnic groups ready to attack each other and their colonial overlords. That mean their would probably would have been a large pacification campaign by the Triachy to bring it under control.

[Lusaka]

Relations could indeed be interesting, UK. Derek Igomo would be genuinely supportive of anti-colonial and Socialist efforts, but at the same time has a self-regard as a leader of African liberation, and could potentially clash with foreign rivals to such a status, especially if they have leadership of a population four or five times that of his state and more than twice of what would be even a re-unified Lusaka, and even more valuable natural resources. It should be fun finding out how he and the VIPs of the Kongo get along personally. If there's no great clash, perhaps we can reinvigorate one of AMW's lately neglected continents.

The previous government, surviving in the north, is bound to have tried to meddle in the Kongolese civil war, probably to little effect, so there's that, too.

For now, though, I suppose Derek has a Christmas speech to give. Maybe about forgiving and forgetting... as soon as the other guy surrenders.

[Councordia]

do we have any active rps?

[Ferkas]

do we have any active rps?

We have a civil war in Arabia, with Canaanite forces intervening trying to prop up the rapidly falling CKA. Although actual combat has come to a halt as both sides have agreed to come to a peace conference. viewtopic.php?f=4&t=204066

And of course the news thread. It isn't really a RP, but it is still "active" and as good a place as any to start (and get a feel for international events). viewtopic.php?f=4&t=88243

[Walmington on Sea]

Hello, Councordia. Things are largely quiet at the moment, owing partly to the much discussed, 'holiday lull', but simply searching for, "AMW" should bring up most of our recent threads, as we tend to place that identifier in the thread title.

Stories are always developing in the News Centre, to which you're free to contribute and from which you can potentially get new ideas for RPs based on what's happening in the world at large.

There are a number of, 'slow burners' such as Decisions pertaining largely to events surrounding the aftermath of the Shieldian Revolution in Eastern Europe, Sands of Change dealing with the perhaps even more chaotic situation in Arabia, The Chivo Doctrine, chiefly telling the story of the Saimonas' (Balkans') bending to one man's design, and Seeing Red, relating to the perpetual tension in South East Asia, and others besides. Some just need a nudge to get them ticking over again.

And you're welcome to try starting your own threads whenever you've an idea to run with, of course :)


Why, you little ninja dastard, Ferkas!

[Chrinthania]

Yeah, Ferkas. I'll kick you for ninja-ing WoS!!

[Iansisle]

Hey, look! I'm using the Discussion thread to discuss things about an AMW thread!

Anyway, LRR, wanted to apologize to you OOC for jumping the gun in the News thread. My post should presumably be sandwiched somewhere in between your first and third stories.

Also, I love you and Cass's most recent posts. I'm hoping to have a post up myself in the next couple of days.

EDIT:

OCC: *Not sure if the GFR actually sources any of its petrochemical requirements from Gandvik, but if so, take that!

Oops, missed that on my first read-through! I would suspect that at least some, if perhaps not the majority, of the Shield's petrochemical imports come from Gandvik. Historically, Depkazia was certainly the more important source (and Geletia before that). Obviously, the GFR hopes that Arabia will step in to fill the Chingiz-sized hole in our hearts (and gas tanks). The GFR probably uses less natural gas and oil than an average state of its size and industrialization because of the historic reliance on coal and lax environmental standards. After all, there's nothing more Shieldian than burning coal! And, Hotan be praised, we have a shit ton of it in our borders.

[The Crooked Beat]

Ah, well, in any event, I wouldn't be too worried. After all, it's still an open question as to whether or not Riga takes its own threats entirely seriously. The plan is to make everyone worried enough so that they realize how much they need Gandvik after all without scaring-off the foreign currency!

Wait...

[Beddgelert]

Y'know, Chivo would be a lot less inclined to panic and start throwing SRBMs around if the Gulls and Ganders could just agree to get along for his sake, and join him in cutting Eurasia in half at the waist. Plus, then we could have oil AND coal, and... Geletia could probably contribute something, too.

Cursed need to make strategic choices.

Wanders off, muttering eeny meeny miny moe...

[Chrinthania]

I know I've spoken to Beddgelert offsite and on IRC about this, but, let me address is to the group as a whole, in a location where everyone has a chance to see it.

So, I've really been wanting to get in-depth on some history within the WRE, but, as you can guess, there are a lot of questions surrounding bits and pieces, namely, the Great War. Understand as I do that there is a general gist of how the war went overall, that, as for the WRE, we were invaded by both Geletia and Valendia. At some point, Rome is, for all intents and purposes, sacked (again!), and that, at some point, Amerique (and, possibly, other Aventine Alliance members) make a push to get the invaders out of the WRE.

Now, there are a few questions that I have, but, for the purposes of this moment in time, I'd like to address the most pertinent in my opinion. The most important answer I need is how the Aventine Alliance formed. My loose understanding is that everyone thought Geletia was pretty weak until they showed the world they weren't, which took everyone by surprise. At some point, some weary nations decided to form an alliance. At some point, and this is quite important as far as I am concerned, the Pope issues a Papal Bull forbidding trading between Geletia and Catholic nations, and then things take off from there.

Certainly I am not willing to ruin anyone else's history, which is why I'm bringing this up on the Big Discussion Thread. This way I can worry about that which takes place within my borders. Also, since I'm pointing to the ending of the Great War as a way for the WRE to shift from trying to copy other European monarchies (which it probably had been doing for a thousand or more years at this point) and become something more Roman in nature (i.e. a Principate merged with a Republic).

[Beddgelert]

I'm not sure how many members have yet to be subjected to my overview of the conflict's background, so here it is...

I think the occupation of Tsalland, the first occupation of Tsalland, not the current one, beginning in the 1915/16 Saimonan War is probably crucial.

In that war, the Geletian Triarchy occupies all of Tsalland, and also seizes the Peloponnese and west Constantinople. Traditionally, in cases of overwhelming military victory over a neighbour, the Geletians had tended to plunder, secure promises of on-going tribute, and withdraw. In 1916, they didn't leave, having decided that it was high time to restore Celtic hegemony over all of the Saimonas, something that had been achieved briefly in the iron age and middle ages prior to the arrival of the Slavs. This probably saw the emergence in AMW of concepts such as ethnic-cleansing and genocide, as the process of forcing Celtic culture on the Greeks was expanded and joined by the mass displacement of the Tsag. This no doubt upped the stakes somewhat.

Rome probably lost major economic interests in Tsalland, lying just across the Adriatic, trade between east and west was disrupted and Christians in particular made to pay a heavy price as their goods moved through the strategically located Saimonas, and the exiled Arch Duke of Tsalland was probably becoming quite the annoying presence in Rome, always shouting about his lost country. Also, with the Kongo, the Geletians have suddenly inherited an intercontinental empire from the Tsag, and are getting rich off it, which just rubs the Romans up the wrong way (Ooh! Since, I believe, the Byzantines ruled in Nilosahara, we can have a low-intensity and probably inconclusive African campaign in the frontier between Kongo and Nilosahara, perhaps as the Byzantines try to made good their European losses by taking over from the Tsag in Central Africa, only to find that the Celts have other ideas.)

So the Aventine Alliance forms in Rome, with the Eastern and Western Roman Empires agreeing that if either is next on the Celts' hit-list, the other will come to their aid. The Alliance probably also established a common goal of the liberation of Constantinople and the Peloponnese, and the restoration of the Grand Duchy of Tsalland.

With the Pope and Western Emperor apparently more than usually chummy at the time, the Romans have the means to exercise greater influence over other Catholic states... while Riga may see itself as Rome's military and economic equal at least, the Prince can't ignore the sway that the Pope has over public opinion. This no doubt holds true in Suabinc and Areopagitican, too. Though Suabinc, Areo, and Gandvik aren't directly threatened by the Geletians, they'll all listen when the Pope calls for a Crusade to liberate Tsalland (even if many of its people are Orthodox: it's only an opportunity to strengthen the 'true' Church in the region, eh?).

So there's a generation of fighting in Tsalland, with partisans and their Aventine backers, likely including Christian volunteers from around the world on one hand and Celtic settlers and the Triarchy on the other. The Triarchy wins, but only takes the last rebel/resistance strongholds in 1938, by which time the aforementioned Papal bull has restricted Catholic trade with Geletia and attempted to isolate the Triarchy.

However, the Triarchy's successes in the Saimonas have inspired a generation of Celts abroad, and Cassanoia and Boihaeminc have been drifting slightly away from the Germanic Central European neighbours and towards Geletia. The Shield, alienated from its traditional partners during the last century and still very much at odds with Gandvik and Byzantium in the arena of imperial competition, and ever-ambitious Valendia join the three Celtic states in the highly secret Pact of Oak, concluded at the sacred oak grove at Drunaimedon in the heart of Geletia. This is something of a, "We of the Shield don't quite believe you when you say that an alliance between our northern neighbours, Gandvik, and southern neighbours, Byzantium, is aimed exclusively at the Geletians, who're hundreds of miles from the former" reaction, I think, and in Steyr's view just a good opportunity to realise their ambitions in Iberia.

Anyway, the Pact of Oak takes the Aventines by surprise (probably intelligence on the collusion of such disparate states as Valendia, Geletia, and the Shield was dismissed as fantastic), and almost wins outright in probably 1939/40. But, the tottering Shield's failure to press home its lacklustre attack on Byzantium via Gallaga, and the no doubt controversial Oakist decision to go through rather than round Amberland, thus dragging Walmington into the war, makes the following four or five years a terrific folly, because they're never going to beat Byzantium, Gandvik, and WoS combined. Emesans, Arabians, and Areos shipped in to the Byzantine Empire by the Walmies stabilise the front there, enabling the Greeks to counter-attack, at which point the Shieldians show that they are actually capable of moving an army at high speed, so long as it's going home, and the Triarchy's three kings start to disagree over strategy, sapping their 'Otherworld War' of its earlier venom. The Valendians find themselves fighting a losing battle on the high seas against the Royal Navy, Roman partisans take heart on realising that the rest of the Aventine Alliance and its newfound North American allies aren't just going to fold, and Gandvik continues to throw hundreds of thousands of men into the grinder, overwhelming the tough but far smaller Cassanoian army, especially as it receives new lend-lease arms from the Walmies, who're probably also dropping bajillions of Sten Guns to the Roman resistance in flights out of North Africa, a strategically relevant theatre that the Oakists completely fail to account for.

At some point, Amerique gets involved, at which point its something of a dogpile, and probably the origin of the popular IRC game, 'Kick the Celt'. I'd assume that Mod's apparent desire to get troops into action entails an invasion of Iberia from English North Africa, and/or joining the Gandvians in pushing down on the Shield and Cassanoia.

It must have been pretty epic, anyway. In the frozen north, almost the entire Cassanoian army, the Boihaeminc, half the Shieldian army, probably a Valendian contingent, and quarter of a million Geletians of the Northern Front possibly including a detachment of thoroughly confused Kongolese levies, facing the entire Gandvian army, maybe a Franco-American expeditionary force, and a load of Anglo-Canadians, while down in Anatolia the other half of the Shieldian army and another Front of Geletians fight the entire Byzantine army, an Emesan expeditionary force, and whatever Arabia can muster, and over in Iberia and Italia a couple of partisan armies try to open the way for more Anglo, Areo, and American regulars in the face of Valendian and Geletian occupation forces. Oh, and probably the Geletian fleet gets Taranto'd by the Walmies. Maybe Malta holds out to become an Aventine naval base.

...and Avarga plays the, "WTF, mates?!" card as the world explodes around it, before getting carted off to join in the English counter-attack.

[Iansisle]

BG's summary is more or less exactly how I had things pictured, albeit with more detail. His speculation regarding the Shield's motivations and ambitions are spot on.

[Crusader Canaan]

Sounds pretty good. I think the Great War would also have been the first time Canaan sent any of its sons to fight in foreign wars. Initially they'd probably just be volunteers fighting in the Saimonas, but as Geletia became more of a threat and the fighting spread to Anatolia I can definitely see the Crusader's Republic formally entering the war and committing its Knightly Orders to the battle.

If its OK with everyone I'd also like there to have been a huge Battle for Cyprus in which Canaan's Air Force got almost completely wiped out and there were very heavy casualties. Something like the Battle of Malta IRL WW2 and the Battle of Crete combined.

[Ferkas]

Regarding the Great War: Arabian forces would have been mustered and sent to fight along the Byzantines...although I doubt they would have been at much use. At the time Arabia had no oil money (read: no money) and its armed forces were probably a total joke. But they would be there, making up for their outdated equipment with a zealous fighting spirit and whatnot.


Also, in the interest of saving some time, Canaan and I are hammering through the Peace Conference process to end the Arabian/Canaanite conflict. I figure that several members of the international community would have been involved also (the GFR, Valendia, Byzantium, Nibelunc supporting the Free Citizens Republic...WRE supporting Canaan?) The biggest thing would be that (as I understand it) Canaan is going to be backing Augustus and his proposal to at least maintain the CKA as a separate, albietly smaller, state. Meanwhile the FCR is going to be demanding that their recognition include the whole of the former CKA, along with demanding that Augustus himself be surrendered for trial. Figuring out which side "wins" is going to be based a lot on where the international support goes, so feel free to start shooting some ideas at me.

[Iansisle]

And the GFR fully supports the FCR, Ferkas.

Er, EI-EI-O?

[United Kongo]

Looks good from in regards to the Congo. After the Geletians get their brand new Colony, revolts will be springing up till about the late 1920s as they try to cement their rule in the state, so I'd imagine the Byzantines sending in quite a few Expeditions and a lot of guns to rebels to try and throw the Celts out.

As for the actual war itself, I think Either the Celts would have launched an offensive from the Congo into Byzantine Nilosahara if they were really land hungry, or the Byzantines the other if the Celts were kinda ignoring the the front and the Byzantines saw their chance for payback. Regardless it probably would have been largely low key and inconclusive, with the Byzantines probably withdrawing troops when things get desperate in Anatolia.

Also, perhaps the African theater might flare up again when Walmington and Amerique get involved, with those two powers possibly landing troops along the Congo’s Atlantic coasts and fighting a Jungle war with the Geletians along the Congo’s rivers. No doubt the Congolese tribes would have divided loyalties, some joining the Aventine’s who promise them” independence” and as a chance to drive out the Geletians, while some Geletian favored tribes joining them to keep their power.

Anyway, just an idea I thought of. By the Way, loved the thought of poor Congolese conscripts freezing in the Baltic

[Chrinthania]

Apart from reaction from WoS and Cass about their sides, I think there's enough agreement here already to formulate some sort of generic chronology of events in a Preludes to War portion of a "What did you do during the Great War" sort of post I want to formulate for the WRE. Of course, actions within my own borders will be pretty much my own creation (barring anything too farcical) with just a touch on the highlights so that, should someone move/CTE/resign/etc... I don't really have to worry too much about alterations.

Now, as I have discussed with Beeg in the IRC, prior to the war, the Pope and the Emperor are quite chummy at this point in time. Certainly the Romans have never been endeared to the Celts since time began, and, I would guess, the opposite is true. With Geletia getting a bit forceful about itself, and an invasion into Western Constantinople, chances are the Emperor sees a chance to rally the troops in defense of the Eastern Empire. Though, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't at least a part of him that thought about a Roman liberation of Constantinople and a potential reunion of both halfs of a fractured empire. Most Roman emperors think about that from time to time (no offense, Byz). And, with a Papal Bull now in effect against the Celts, the Emperor is probably betting on getting both an Ecclesiastical and Temporal hegemony over the Catholic Powers.

As far as an ever-increasingly-rich Geletia, the chances are the WRE saw it for what it was: profiteering at the expense of both Romans and Christians. It was more than a fear of the potential of a militarily superior Geletia, but a Geletia with the finances and resources to commit to a continued and damaging war against their ancient foe. Let's face it, such is the potential of a major war between the two that, should it end with defeat for the WRE, there'd probably not be a WRE left to worry about.

Anywho, as far as the war itself in the WRE, I think that the Roman Army probably didn't expect quite the onslaught it received as well as the 1-2-punch of a dual invasion of Iberia and Italia. Not only were the Romans taken by complete surprise by such a diabolical plan, they'd have no real resistance until both Rome and Madrid were behind enemy lines. I suspect the advancement of Oakist powers into the WRE was powerful and swift, probably taking several months at the maximum.

Meanwhile, the Romans themselves, essentially fighting for their own lives, most likely decide that, with the Roman Army in shambles and scattered like grains of sand, that they need to step up. In spite of how regionalized everything may be in the WRE, they are, at heart, all Romans who live in a Roman Empire. This gives birth to the Roman Resistance, which commits guerrilla warfare against Oakist powers during the occupation (which I see taking place between 1940/41-1945. The Roman Government takes refuge in Palermo, Sicily, running what's left of their armed services and empire in an all-out attempt to repel the invasion. Of course, with so much territory lost, and the sheer brutality of the campaign against Rome, they're basically waving their d**ks in the wind to no avail. It won't be until Amerique, et. al., come and help the Romans sweep out the invasion forces and restore the cities of Rome and Madrid to Imperial Rule.

And, well, what Roman Resistance would be complete without the sounds of Bella Ciao coming from the lips of every Roman fighting against the invaders, eh?

For the WRE, the net result of the war was an internal revolution, of sorts. The Emperor, up until the end of the war, was the supreme power of the empire. Certainly that didn't work. In particular when he attempted to use the Catholic Church for his own gain. The Romans decide to give more power to the people while respecting the institution of the Emperor, and Christianity is finally removed as the Religion of State with the new government opting to keep religion out of government.

[Walmington on Sea]

Perhaps the Western Emperor's slightly cynical view of the alliance with Constantinople had an influence on the scale of Aventine defeats early in the war. If he was always keeping in the back of his mind a desire to gain at the East's expense, his war preparations may have been negatively impacted, and the co-operation between nominal allies may have been less than efficient.

As for Walmington's role, it seems that the Pact of Oak may have taken the view, like many Germans during WWII when looking at isolated Britain, that once Amberland was over-run, the Empire would prefer to sue for peace and either accept the loss or negotiate for an eventual end to the occupation once Gandvik was defeated, possibly with some minor territorial concessions to the Shield. After all, the reasoning may have gone, it's not like the English are traditional friends of their Catholic Gandvian neighbours, or indeed enthusiastic supporters of Rome et al. in the Aventine Alliance. In hindsight, a clear case of wishful thinking.

I'm not sure whether Amberland should be completely over-run or partially so. I'm tempted to have the Sambia peninsula hold out, with the Oakists bogged down in street fighting in the outskirts of Kingsmount, elements of the Royal Navy operating on the Frisian Bay ((Vistula Lagoon)) under air cover flying from behind the city, Cassanoian forces advancing with difficulty up the Frisian ((Vistula)) Spit under naval fire until reaching the inlet at Bristol ((Baltiysk)) and giving up, and reinforcements from Gandvik coming by sea, air, and down the Curonian Spit.

That allows for most of Amberland to be over-run and used as another way into Gandvik, and gives Kingsmount its Blitz Spirit and whatnot. So, presumably in Gandvik it would be mostly Belarus, southeastern Lithuania, and parts of southern Russia that see the bulk of fighting on the Northern Front. Seaborne invasions may be difficult given the presence of the Royal Navy, and Allied aircraft in ((the Baltic States)) and ((Scandinavia)) including probably Avarga, which may prove hard to knock-out given the great distances, uncooperative weather, and Oakist inability to stop the flow of new men and machines from North America by any means more effective than throwing a few Valendian submarines and commerce raiders into the vastness of the Atlantic and hoping they find more merchant ships than English, American, and Gandvian battle groups.

This will all mean that Northern Europe is Priority-1 for Walmingtonian manpower and material, and suggests to me that the Americans should take the lead in liberating Southern Europe, supported by Walmington, Areopagitican, and the Roman partisans, with Walmington's most important contribution being in providing the launch-pad for invasion, Mauretania ((most of Morocco)). Priority-3 will probably be supplies and transport of Emesan troops to Byzantium and its Arabian and Canaanite co-belligerents, and Priority-4 to any operations in Kongo, which may be something of an after-thought. Perhaps Walmingtonian colonial troops from Southern Africa might be sent up to help replace some of the Byzantine troops withdrawn to fight in Anatolia, to avoid a collapse of the Byzantine colonies, but I think it is right to say that Central Africa's likely to be a very minor theatre for extra-African participants, though the natives may see it as rather more important! On one hand, it might be tempting for WoS to arm rebels in Kongo, but since we weren't keen to see Byzantium's colony destabilised while the Greeks were fighting on the same side as us or to set a precedent that might impact negatively on our own colonial position in Africa, I'm not sure that idea would get much support on Lime Crescent.

[United Kongo]

hmm that's a fair enough point, the Congo would know doubt be very low on most nations priorities, even if it is a large chunk of Geletians territory. Perhaps it is a mainly Amerique en devour?

As for sending guns to the natives in the Congo, I guess the WoS could argue that this was to enable the Tsags to eventually retain power, they may have helped the Askaris (pro Tsag natives evicted in the 1920s) return, or they could just argue that it was an attempt to help the more oppressed natives get back at the Geletians and pro Geletian tribes? The WoS could no doubt spin a propaganda campaign talking about how bad the Congolese have it under the Celts compared to those lucky natives in their colonies

[The Amyclae]

I'm perfectly open to the idea of a prosaic Areopagite effort to protect Holy Rome.

I wish I could add something else but I'm generally drawing a blank.

[Depkazia]

#13) Chingiz's dad saved the Byzantine Empire by leading a band a Ghazis on a campaign of sabotage against Shieldian military industry throughout Inner Depkazia; it was then that Chingiz decided to be born, in order to address this ancestral error

[Chrinthania]

Sounds pretty good. I think the Great War would also have been the first time Canaan sent any of its sons to fight in foreign wars. Initially they'd probably just be volunteers fighting in the Saimonas, but as Geletia became more of a threat and the fighting spread to Anatolia I can definitely see the Crusader's Republic formally entering the war and committing its Knightly Orders to the battle.

If its OK with everyone I'd also like there to have been a huge Battle for Cyprus in which Canaan's Air Force got almost completely wiped out and there were very heavy casualties. Something like the Battle of Malta IRL WW2 and the Battle of Crete combined.

Er..... I just noticed this, thanks to Beddgelert. Cyprus is unclaimed, and, as such, means that we can't force history onto it. This is done to prevent someone from being made to take history that they didn't want or aren't interested in participating. However, if we do get a claimant there, then, if they wish, they could agree to such history.

[Chrinthania]

Hrm....

So, after careful consideration, I have decided that, in order to retain that certain Roman feel to the Western Roman Empire, I will begin, from this point forward, to retcon place names throughout the empire with the first major overhaul beginning with cities. I will revert to using the Latin names of the Roman cities as they were during the RL Roman Empire unless such a city doesn't have a Latin name (most likely to do having been founded long after the empire fell in RL), then I will have to chose a suitable Latin (or Latinesque) name. For instance, Milan is now Mediolanum, Rome is Roma, Madrid will become Matritensis (which I get from the Complutense University of Madrid's Latin name Universitas Complutensis Matritensis).

If Beddgelert and Ian can go through the trouble of renaming their cities, I can simply copypasta Latin for much of the Western Roman Empire.

And, just because it could come up in soon-to-be-released news releases, the Po River becomes the Padus. Italy north of the Rubico (Rubicon) River will be referred to more often than not as Gallia Cisalpina, though this is a geographic region name, not a provincial name at this time (I'm still thinking). Of course, I will keep the Roman way of referring to Italy south of the Rubico simply as Italia. The Ebro River becomes Ebrus..... and I'm rambling now.

[/rant]

[United Kongo]

So as I got thinking more about the SFC's military arsenal, it got me thinking who in AMW owns the Kalashnikov design of weapons, as I figured that the Congolese military would probably rely on that due to it being cheap and durable. Although I wandered if the AK/AMW equivelent is as widespread as the real life equivelant.

If not, is thier any nation willing to be a supplier of cheap military,all payed in Cash

Oh, and I'd imagine the Congolese would probably have an arsenal of old Geletian weapons, if that's alright with Beddgelert