AMW Big Discussion Thread

[Kyr Shorn]

Donigala: I'd be up for a war, though I'm guessing it would be mostly naval right? Depending on your needs and when you want to have the war will determine it's length and size though.

[Donigala]

I guess it should be mostly naval. And my needs is only to lose it and to be trow out from Africa and Indian Ocean So I be happy to adjust to whatever background you have established for yours history.

[Kyr Shorn]

I guess it should be mostly naval. And my needs is only to lose it and to be trow out from Africa and Indian Ocean So I be happy to adjust to whatever background you have established for yours history.

Sounds good to me.

[Walmington on Sea]

Regarding East Africa, there's Nilosahara in Tanzania and some adjacent nations, and until the 1980s the Spice Islands off the coast were part of the Walmingtonian Empire. Otherwise most of the east coast, and Madagascar et cetera, are dragonland.

Meanwhile, for anyone with an interest and time to kill, I've re-worked Walmington's history as regards Dra-pol. Now I just need to do the same from Dra-pol's perspective. Hrm. Well, here it all is, broken down into spoiler sections because, it turns out, there's a lot of Walmingtonian/Drapoel history =)

[Jatriqya and Hoya]

Regarding East Africa, there's Nilosahara in Tanzania and some adjacent nations, and until the 1980s the Spice Islands off the coast were part of the Walmingtonian Empire. Otherwise most of the east coast, and Madagascar et cetera, are dragonland.

Meanwhile, for anyone with an interest and time to kill, I've re-worked Walmington's history as regards Dra-pol. Now I just need to do the same from Dra-pol's perspective. Hrm. Well, here it all is, broken down into spoiler sections because, it turns out, there's a lot of Walmingtonian/Drapoel history =)

On top of this, the mainland and Spice islands were fully in Byzantine control until the 17th century, when the walmingtonians took control of the nice healthy Spice Islands as Byzantium kept control over the mainland territories in a loosely organized colonial possession.

These possessions are not to be confused with the Byzantine Spice Islands, also known as the Byzantine African Territories (Comoros, Mayotte) which are still territories of Byzantium.

[Donigala]

Well, Offagard present possessions in region is Mahe island only, witch yet unclaimed.
About Offagard ex-colonies I haven't determinate they precise location, before discussing issue with whose who hold the region, but Nilosahara hasn't been here for a while, so...

[Chrinthanium]

Regarding East Africa, there's Nilosahara in Tanzania and some adjacent nations, and until the 1980s the Spice Islands off the coast were part of the Walmingtonian Empire. Otherwise most of the east coast, and Madagascar et cetera, are dragonland.

Meanwhile, for anyone with an interest and time to kill, I've re-worked Walmington's history as regards Dra-pol. Now I just need to do the same from Dra-pol's perspective. Hrm. Well, here it all is, broken down into spoiler sections because, it turns out, there's a lot of Walmingtonian/Drapoel history =)

Heh, it's interesting to finally see the Walmingtonian take on the Chrinthani revolution!

I'm probably going to use the Walmington/Chrinthani operations in Drapol as a modern-day Gallipoli for Chrinthanium. While not quite so "British use of Australian forces" as the RL event, it would probably spark some sort of rememberence day like ANZAC day. That, and, it would also prove the Chrinthani point of abstaining from international military conflicts.

Something to think over, WoS: Chrinthanium would, since we were a party to the events in Drapol, would probably still give you basing rights in Kuttabul for Walmingtonian Naval ships, seeing as you have territory in the Indian and in the Drapol region.

Certainly this gathering of nations brought us beyond the horrid past to a prosperous future of friendship.

BELGELAND: You recently spoke something about having a port(s) in Chrinthanium. Chances are, and this goes for EP, France, and any other European nation that had some sort of port/territory in Chrinthanium prior to 1732, that once Henry took over, everyone was kicked out. A "Chrinthani first" policy would be put into place.

Present-day Chrinthanium, of course, would allow refueling, and docking rights, etc.. etc... but probably no foreign-owned ports are in Chrinthanium for the fact that Chrinthanium itself, since the end of the Walmingtonian conflict, is still not 100% trusting for foreign nations having any type of territory within the content or the dominions except for embassies and consulates.

[Walmington on Sea]

I think some sort of joint staging area in Chrinthanium would probably be much appreciated by Walmington as a way to support the Concession and the National Republic without putting everything under Hotan's gunsights. I wonder if it'd be possible to use a base on the north or west coast, though? We've far enough to go as it is =)

On a vaguely related note, since leaving the Korean peninsula and shrinking the imperial population by millions, I really need to remake the navy, and I'm wondering if any of the likes of Chrinthanium, Malabar, Virginia, maybe Belgeland, and possibly even Offagard (maybe others?) might have co-operated with the Walmingtonian ship-building industry (which builds hundreds of merchantmen and large oceanic trawlers et cetera) to build bluewater assets that many of them would quite like to have but aren't keen to invest in developing independently? Possibly it could have been a scheme related to what I've tentatively called the Parliament of Nations, the alliance existing to contain the Drapoel People's Republic in the 1970s and '80s before it all fell apart.

Regarding Offagard, it seems likely they would have been dragged into the Drapoel wars, presumably against the Communists, at some stage?

[Donigala]

Regarding Offagard, it seems likely they would have been dragged into the Drapoel wars, presumably against the Communists, at some stage?

This is how I see it: In the first half of the XX century, Offagard stay neutral, but with public opinion sympathetic to Sulo and his liberation force. But rise of Communists moved Offagardians towards Walmington and kingdom entered Parliament of Nations. Then 1980 North Dra-Pol began to push south, Offagardians forces remained and fought next to Walmingtonian and Chrinthani (Dra-Pol is our neighbour so Offagard have bigger interest than Belgeland or Niebelunc).
Its it hen possible that in 1984 kingdom send some troops to fight Tigers of Eelam.
Generally, if there is war against communism, Offagardians do not need to be asked twice.
P.S. Marcus Cole? You used this reference to the bad guy?

[Old Tyrannia]

Since we no longer have a Uyghur Khanate, I wonder if anyone would be interested in replacing them in Socotra's history? Ideally I'd like a colonial power, like Walmington or France, as I originally intended before the Uyghur player (I can't even remember his name now) offered, but the Marathas would do.

[-Lorraine-]

WoS- I dont mind working with you on blue-water assets (Though Im still figuring my own navy out. It seems to be the only thing i dont have a clue about and makes it difficult)

On a seperate note, In my quest for natural borders Ive come to the conclusion that my northern territories, Ohio, Michigan, and Indiana, are hopeless. THough Michingan is nice, I want a more natural border. SO I was tinkering with the idea of instead of crossing over the Ohio for more territory, Virginia heads south (with no big rivers to stop them) This would pretty much trade off my 3 most populous states over for Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, and (If Inner-Amerkia goes through and he agrees) mississippi.

My new population would be 49,167,726 (52,135,023 with mississippi) so it would be smaller actually, but it would have more natural borders (save florida which I am trying to find something for that, its just to big for me to take) This will be my last major land change for good and it will make my ewconomy more streamlined for agriculture (warm climates are good for that, not michigan) which is big in histry and would allow more flexibility for players in the north to claim in the future. This is entirely theoretical right now, im just curious as to what yall would think.

[Chrinthanium]

I think some sort of joint staging area in Chrinthanium would probably be much appreciated by Walmington as a way to support the Concession and the National Republic without putting everything under Hotan's gunsights. I wonder if it'd be possible to use a base on the north or west coast, though? We've far enough to go as it is =)

On a vaguely related note, since leaving the Korean peninsula and shrinking the imperial population by millions, I really need to remake the navy, and I'm wondering if any of the likes of Chrinthanium, Malabar, Virginia, maybe Belgeland, and possibly even Offagard (maybe others?) might have co-operated with the Walmingtonian ship-building industry (which builds hundreds of merchantmen and large oceanic trawlers et cetera) to build bluewater assets that many of them would quite like to have but aren't keen to invest in developing independently? Possibly it could have been a scheme related to what I've tentatively called the Parliament of Nations, the alliance existing to contain the Drapoel People's Republic in the 1970s and '80s before it all fell apart.

Regarding Offagard, it seems likely they would have been dragged into the Drapoel wars, presumably against the Communists, at some stage?

Yes, north coast or west coast is fine with me. You chose it, I'll be happy with whatever it is you do.

Ah, well, we could have assisted, especially in the recent years with submarines if you so chose. Collins-class subs are homegrown.

Lorraine: No problems from my side of things. I'm in full support.

[The Crooked Beat]

On the subject of warships, I've thus far set Malabar up with a fairly capable ship-building industry and I'd imagine that Fianarasapatinam would be quite happy to share its designs with Walmington, especially if it were kind enough to aid in the development of electronics systems and other high-tech devices that Malabar's own somewhat boiler-plate manufacturing sector might struggle with.

Malabar's got the Oliver Hazard Perry-alike Island Class and the La Fayette-alike G class, and though I'm not quite sure what came before those I'd imagine that Malabar would have been building warships since the 1930s and submarines since the 1910s. As it happens, I had it down that Malabar was operating five Walming class frigates as it is, so maybe that could be a good starting point for some kind of collaborative project.

[Chemaki]

On the subject of warship makes, I've decided to have a go at making my own proto-language for Ghamadulla. I know that the official language is Arabic, but I was thinking, with all those cultures clashing together (and the evil Juntau) there needs to be an alternative - Especially as less than 0.5% of the population speak Arabic, let alone read it.

So, without further ado, here is my trial language - Juntau orthodox. It's basically Ghaman but with an actual written form, with a few Arabic (and what I could imagine, Khemetic) influences - With a heavy use of consonants in some words. What do you think? :3

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[Greater Waziristan]

Looks brilliant to me, Che. Unfortunately, I've not got much useful to say about it besides that.

[Chrinthanium]

Seems fine to me, at this moment. Though, not sure what it all means!

[Chemaki]

Seems fine to me, at this moment. Though, not sure what it all means!

I don't really know, either - It's just some doodlings from A-level revision periods that I did xD

[Maxen von Bismarck]

Sorry about me posting the Conflict Thread a bit early and accidentally! I will add onto it when I finish the full post! I suppose Kemet can come along now?

In any event, it turns out I have an essay draft due tomorrow and another due Tuesday so I.... Have been writing, just not AMW.

[Chemaki]

Sorry about me posting the Conflict Thread a bit early and accidentally! I will add onto it when I finish the full post! I suppose Kemet can come along now?

In any event, it turns out I have an essay draft due tomorrow and another due Tuesday so I.... Have been writing, just not AMW.

That's cool.

[Old Tyrannia]

Don't have time to post tonight, but I'll reply in the African conflict thread ASAP.

[Nilosahara]

I will be back in a short while (3 days or so) to pick up where I left things.

[Old Tyrannia]

Since we no longer have a Uyghur Khanate, I wonder if anyone would be interested in replacing them in Socotra's history? Ideally I'd like a colonial power, like Walmington or France, as I originally intended before the Uyghur player (I can't even remember his name now) offered, but the Marathas would do.

So, no takers? Are you all just too scared to face up to the awesomeness of Kemet?

[Chemaki]

Since we no longer have a Uyghur Khanate, I wonder if anyone would be interested in replacing them in Socotra's history? Ideally I'd like a colonial power, like Walmington or France, as I originally intended before the Uyghur player (I can't even remember his name now) offered, but the Marathas would do.

So, no takers? Are you all just too scared to face up to the awesomeness of Kemet?

IDK, if you're looking for a colonial power, I assume that part of your nation was under their influence at a time? I guess Ghamadulla could feasibly have East Sudan, but then that nerfs the need for a Pan-Chadian war, as Ghamadulla would already have that land to get to Sudan in the first place.

[Old Tyrannia]

So, no takers? Are you all just too scared to face up to the awesomeness of Kemet?

IDK, if you're looking for a colonial power, I assume that part of your nation was under their influence at a time? I guess Ghamadulla could feasibly have East Sudan, but then that nerfs the need for a Pan-Chadian war, as Ghamadulla would already have that land to get to Sudan in the first place.

You completely misunderstand. Kemet has never been under the influence of a foreign power (let alone Ghamudalla, which, I'm sorry to say, has never in it's history really been powerful enough to occupy any part of Kemet), except for a brief time during Napoleon's Kemetic Campaign. I need a European power to try to take Socotra, which was under Kemetic influence at the time. The idea is that the war served to underline Kemet's fading power (they seemed to play the part of the Ottoman Empire during the Middle Ages), as well as prompting the Pharaoh to bring Socotra under official Kemetic control.

[Chemaki]

IDK, if you're looking for a colonial power, I assume that part of your nation was under their influence at a time? I guess Ghamadulla could feasibly have East Sudan, but then that nerfs the need for a Pan-Chadian war, as Ghamadulla would already have that land to get to Sudan in the first place.

You completely misunderstand. Kemet has never been under the influence of a foreign power (let alone Ghamudalla, which, I'm sorry to say, has never in it's history really been powerful enough to occupy any part of Kemet), except for a brief time during Napoleon's Kemetic Campaign. I need a European power to try to take Socotra, which was under Kemetic influence at the time. The idea is that the war served to underline Kemet's fading power (they seemed to play the part of the Ottoman Empire during the Middle Ages), as well as prompting the Pharaoh to bring Socotra under official Kemetic control.

Ah, now I understand

Shame that it's Socotra - If it was Eastern Kush, then I'd say yes, but Ghamadulla was never into having a strong Navy.