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Postby Dra-pol » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:47 am

Personally I'd like to see Hindustan back, though for it to have a similar degree of power as it had originally would probably pose some problems regarding it not being a great power on the global stage: at that size and with a Brazil-like level of wealth it'd be at least a match for most nations in the world... I think comparable to Chrinthanium and Beddgelert combined. Of course, I'm not actually opposed to TCB having a couple of hundred million people and a couple of trillion dollars (it's still a smaller economy than Nibelunc's, though I think it would be the largest nation in a post-Spyr world), it's just that you may find yourself a leading power without apparently wanting that.

I do think that Hindustan would be exactly the sort of place for Sulo to take his government, in any case (provided it's independent and such at the time), and you could later resume your role in halting the UPA at some Andong equivalent.

This is what AMW needs, Dra-pol and Hindustan back in business! Hehe. (What do you mean, it was doing fine without us?!)



Cassanos, that looks good to me. Maybe the bitter experience of Dra-pol informs Nibelunc's current European introspection?



Chrin, yes. I think perhaps a sense of Walmingtonian aggression would have been understandable in Chrinthanium when the early pioneers arrived, while from Walmington's perspective we were just trying to make the world smaller in an age before telecommunictions. I mean, it took months for ships to get from Walmington to Chrinthanium and then months to get back, and many people died on the voyages in the early decades of contact, so naturally many Walmingtonians stayed down under to conduct trade, exploration, and diplomacy. But while in Europe they might have become a minority community in some cosmopolitan city, in Chrinthanium they perceived terra nullius in large parts of the continent. They wouldn't have declared the whole continent uninhabited, but designated much of its extent as such, since there probably can't have been more than a few million people spread across its seven and three quarter million square kilometres, and the majority of it, no matter how evolved the Chrinthani towns, would have been without so much as a dirt road.

Thus they established outposts 'innocently', but today recognise that they would have been pretty ticked-off if the Chrinthanis had shown up in the bare tundra of Norbray (Labrador and part of eastern Quebec) and established a settlement that didn't answer to the Walmingtonian crown, while hopefully the Chrinthani attitude has similarly switched from, "Hey! What the hell do you think you're doing!?" to, "Ohh, I see where you were going with that. No worries."



Anyway, I'm encouraged by most of what has been said.

It looks like we can possibly have some sort of experimental UN/League of Nations/more-original-name that perhaps comes together in the 1970s and breaks-up in the 1980s, and sees Walmington, South Dra-pol, Chrinthanium, Niebelunc, potential-Hindustan, possibly Belgeland (waiting to see on that one), and maybe others trying to ensure world peace and free trade, and coming a cropper against Hotan's Kurosite People's Republic.

In coming days I'll re-work my history and get it posted up, then anyone who wants to have been involved in the relevant conflict(s) can decide how deeply and to what cost. The allies will probably suffer upwards of a million total casualties over an eight year period, but the bulk will be Southern Drapoel, so everyone else can choose to escape with only half a dozen dead, or with hundreds, or tens of thousands, or whatever as befits their nation's own dialogue.



Modravia, I suppose the People's Republic could do with some foreign support. Most important, really, would be helping Kurosian and Hotan to build a modern military-industrial capability. Dra-pol, obviously, is a go-it-alone sort of nation for the most part, but was only wrenched out of the middle-ages after 1902, and until that point had an entirely rural and feudal economy, without so much as a steam engine or hot air balloon in the whole empire. Company soldiers with magazine rifles, machineguns, armoured cars, and field-guns were initially met with spears, short-swords, bows, and small numbers of rocket-propelled javelin-type weapons, all manufactured by individual artisans in non-standard workshops.

During the failed 1948 mutiny I expect the rebels were armed with the above, improvised weapons and farm tools, and a few captured second-hand small-arms in the case of rebellious security forces. Perhaps in the following two years Modravia could have smuggled to the Free Republic some Great War surpluss or weapons captured from the Shieldians or whoever else? Given the looseness of Company control in the south at that time it may not have been so hard, especially by air since there'd be almost no radar coverage anywhere in Dra-pol at that time. And Sulo would have been forced to recognise that he couldn't win without foreign weapons. Thus in the 50-53 war the Company was expecting at worst to be attacked with melee weapons, and had set itself up for such, maybe issuing shotguns and building crude barricades and pits to slow-down charges, so that even poorly trained and basically unsupported northerners were able to make progress in the first year when they turned up with bolt-action rifles that out-ranged policemen with 12-gauges.

Then the '63-75 war, under Kurosian, could feature Modravian observers coming to the new People's Republic to over-see the building of arms factories maybe producing AKs and the like, and possibly operating some SAM batteries, enabling you to test your technologies against the Company's western systems, and maybe donating old fighters as they're withdrawn from Modravian service, because even MiG-15s would have been useful against what the Company was able to field as a non-state actor.

After that, presumably Modravia was not part of this short-lived UN-type movement, and helped Hotan to prepare for the Reunification War of '80-88 while the westerners were rebuilding the southern republic. Maybe a few hundred to a couple of thousand observers, advisors, medical staff, engineers, and possibly a handfull of volunteer pilots and missile crews operating in Kurosite colours?

Which all means I can keep some of my old military tech, that being ultimately Soviet in origin. Chonma-hoooo!

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Postby Belgeland » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:04 pm

I imagined that the Belgen empire began at around the same time as in real life, although never having a colony as such, just trading ports. So maybe first contact with the Drapoel sometime in the 17th century, with a minor port town in a southern area (perhaps in around the same place as the twin-cities?). Just one of a collection of asian ports that are not officially owned by Belgeland but slowly become dominated by Belgen interests - companies, missionary groups etc. They have but a minor influence and whilst the stories of rubies might originate here, we see little ourselves. This isn't a couple of centuries too early is it? Obviously I'm talking prior to Walmies, but they don't have to get everywhere first. ;)

During the Walmy monopoly (something Belgen companies were vying for peacefully for a rather longer period) many Belgens seriously consider Realpolitik policies that might knock Walmington sideways in a sort of imperial rivalry. Not sure where to go with this, but if there's anything Belgen mercenaries can do to annoy you during this period, feel free to ask. Not sure whether we'd have hosted a violent government in exile at this point, but if the republican point was stressed enough, we might have hosted the government, either in Belgeland or perhaps more likely our Asian holdings (which at this point are restricted to friendly ports in Chrinthanium and whatever we have in Dra-pol). Officially we wouldn't support him but we would be happy to 'defend' the people's of the world against aggression - the same thing we did in France in the Great War. Until 1943 at least we offer military help to neither side, being busy trying to hold Paris. After '43 we aid Dra-pol forces via indirect means (i.e. through private companies with interests in the region). Here I can work in whatever concession is desired, perhaps our limited area in the area is extended and officially handed over to Belgeland which then makes the area neutral.

Whatever happens in '63, the constitution (put into force in 1946) prevents anything other than a directly defensive war - at least as far as government forces are concerned. I could have a cruise ship or something sunk if that helps and Belgeland sides with Walmington but offers no military help (although mercenary forces will be available to you as would volunteers if they could legitimately be there fast enough). We later, as you suggest, fortify our concessions in the area, working alongside Walmington against Dra-pol but again, as suggested, trying to get out of the mess we find ourselves in. Eventually selling or giving the concessions over to the UN group in around '78 as the defence of the city becomes harder to legitimise. I'm not sure I can add much to replace Yashima in any respect here, by this point, my mercenary groups would be charging well above market rates for fighting in Dra-pol, I imagine, couples with no official backing from Belgeland itself.

Any Belgen involvement in an offensive capacity from the '50s would be volunteers or mercenaries to an international effort, with no technical links to the government. I can see an International Brigade formed mainly from Belgen 'Ready Resistance' types supporting the international mission - perhaps the Belgen city is host to the Coalition of the willing/UN/whatever and is left to them sometime between 1975-85, from there I don't know what happens, but I'd like to see some Belgen commercial interests remain.

Does any of that make sense?

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Postby Modravia » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:40 pm

I see no problems with the Dra-pol assistance as outlined. I can actually probably supply AKs as early as the '50-'53 war in small numbers if it seems that the north is set to be a staunchly leftist nation and valuable friend in the region. The rest will likely be Mosin-Nagants, SVT-40s and PPShs.

As for Hindustan, perhaps to stay more true to the name Hindustan it would make more sense to go in Northern India, roughly encompassing the area of the Indus river, Sindh and Gujarat on the coast up to Delhi in the north. That was also sandwiches Hindustan between the Caliphate and the Marathas Federation, which should be interesting, to say the least. Of course, population is an issue. If you don't want to be a major power, it might be a good idea to look at the Caliphate, the Marathi and the Crusader Kingdom of Arabia and balance out your population and GDP per capita according to what would work best given the numbers of the neighboring states.
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Postby The Crooked Beat » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:21 pm

Ah, well, the thing about Hindustan is that, when it existed (just about three years ago, eek!) it did cover most of northern India, the Indus in fact, and I'd probably call this one the Malabar Republic or something to that effect. So that shouldn't be much of an issue. As for GDP, I'm shooting for something in the 1.5-trillion range, so well below Brazil's corresponding figure, so that should work out to a per-capita 5,000 US or thereabouts. I'll have a factbook up soon. You'll have to forgive me for the muddled nature of all this, but all will be revealed in time, I promise!


As for Hindustan/Malabar's involvement in Dra-pol, I'd assume that it would be heavy, the Republic probably perceiving Southeast Asia to fall within its sphere of influence. Early-on, Malabar may well have backed Sulo both out of democratic idealism and a desire to see the Cape Company and its Walmingtonian benefactors put out, only to back-off as an independent Dra-pol proves too difficult to control. Maybe a serious rift could have occurred during the Three-Day War, with Malabar refusing to support Kurosian in the face of foreign assault. As for the main event, 80-88, Malabar might well have been moved to take part for a number of reasons. There would be a sense of indignation over Dra-pol's violation of an agreement that Malabar could have played a key role in brokering, for one, and a desire to prevent an increasingly hostile regional power from becoming even more of a nuisance for another. Also, Malabar would probably have been reluctant to let far-foreigners bear the brunt of such a major operation well within its own region. I'd expect, then, an expeditionary force of about 100-150,000 troops at peak strength, deaths maybe four to five thousand and wounded closer to ten or fifteen, but beyond that I'll leave things for you fellows to work out. Whatever you decide is fine by me, and feel free to assume actions for Malabar in my absence.

Three cheers for the heroes of Andong! And I hope you'll bring Hozaro back as well.
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Postby Kyr Shorn » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:37 pm

Ok I've been doing some thinking and I think France would have played a big role in the whole Dra-pol mess, since France ran it's own colonial empire in diff. parts of the world, including SE Asia (of which Bali is a remnant).

However I'm not sure France would be playing a large role in Dra-pol in the mid to late 20th century since after the Great War I've pictured the French Colonial Empire having fallen apart like the British one.

And CB, if your Hinduistan needs a colonial oppressor at some point, I'm more than willing! :)

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Postby Maxen von Bismarck » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:26 pm

EP, what (exactly) are you imagining for your new thread?
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Postby Europe - Prussia » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:28 pm

It was an idea that I had in mind long, long ago. But if you don't like it, I can delete it (or at least the Aero's part)
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Postby Maxen von Bismarck » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:08 pm

Europe - Prussia wrote:It was an idea that I had in mind long, long ago. But if you don't like it, I can delete it (or at least the Aero's part)


Nah man, keep it. I enjoy it.
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Postby Kyr Shorn » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:09 pm

Europe - Prussia wrote:It was an idea that I had in mind long, long ago. But if you don't like it, I can delete it (or at least the Aero's part)


Well if Aero doesn't like it you could just say it was all just a big mind-fuck. :)

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Postby Chrinthanium » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:35 am

Drapol: I think in the mid-20th century is where Chrinthanium can be what exactly you need it to be. With the Imperial forces strengthening and gaining in the ways of warfare, it's quite possible that, in order to maintain stability in the general region, Chrinthanium took an American approach to the county, sending in some "peace-keepers" and escalating as the entire country seemed poised to explode in some way.

You can even sink a Chrinthani warship... perhaps the reason we don't have an aircraft carrier? Just a thought. I'm pretty open to what you need me to do for you, as Chrinthani history in the 1900's is pretty flipping boring.
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Postby Dra-pol » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:22 pm

Hmm. Well, Belgeland may arrive in the C17th, but then it'd be with them that the legends of Drapoel militarism, brutality, and inaccessibility would emerge, and they certainly wouldn't stay. It's rather the whole point that the Drapoel simply aren't open to foreign intrusion, and so it's only through force of arms that the country's ever opened at all.
Though not having mechanised its industry before the mid C20th, Dra-pol was a well-organised and cohesive kingdom with a sophisticated tax code supporting a standing army tens of thousands strong and armed since at least the C14th with anti-personnel rockets in addition to advanced steel blades and cavalry archers, so it's only when people turn up with repeating rifles, machineguns, and quick-firing artillery that positions become remotely defensible against enormous armies of racial fanatics who do not want any white devils bringing ill fortune to their ancient domain.

I suppose that's something perhaps better understood by the few who remember Dra-pol in its more active days.

Hozaro indeed shall remain, TCB, probably as commander of the 100th Assault Division and unfortunate recipient of radiation burns to the face and presumably of terminal cancer. Possibly we can still have it that the Hindustanis (or whoever you become) are the only ones left fighting with the Walmingtonians by '88, and Hozaro is preparing to drive a wedge between them when the Walmingtonains decide to drop the Umsombomvu Device.

France is of course welcome to have its own encounter with the Drapoel at some stage, but best not have it be with any characters whose survival is of historical importance ;)

Chrinthanium, that's great! Hopefully you could send troops to participate in at least part of the '63-75 war after the slaughter of missionaries etc is reported, then after the war Chrinthani forces could be a central part of the multi-national effort to stabilise and rebuild the South, getting caught in the '80-88 Reunification War, along side Nibelung personnel, whether they like it or not? Recalling what Cassanos said, peacekeepers and reconstruction staff from Chrinthanium and Nibelunc being over-run together and largely wiped-out by Hotan's People's Army would provide a meaningful core around which to build relations over the last twenty-odd years.

I'll spend some time tonight thinking about the ship sinking and concessions, and try to figure out what works best.

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Postby Acadzia » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:19 pm

Great Scott! I'm afraid I've fallen woefully behind!
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Postby Dra-pol » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:15 pm

Laying out the new shape of Dra-pol, at last. The Kurosite People's Republic will have control over Burma except for the city of Sittwe, which will become the Walmingtonian Twin City Concession of Ide'tou. Meanwhile, part of Thailand will become the National Republic of Dra-pol ('Sul-pol' to the Kurosites). I'm willing to consider having the islands of Burma's Manaung Township act as a Belgen concession, which conceivably could have been defended in centuries past if Unreal wants to go with that.

Below are the areas of Thailand that constitute the NRD, covering 230,990 square kilometres and containing an estimated 18,257,088 people according to the preliminary numbers I've found, and which I hope to update when I can find more up to date and specific sources. The border is in a significant part defined by a range of hills, and the NRD lies on the RL Gulf of Thailand giving perhaps a slightly more direct connection to Chrinthanium, which seems likely to be a regional partner of importance to the anti-Communist junta.

Dra-pol as a whole, including concessions and both republics, will cover 907,568 square kilometres and include an estimated 71,671,462 people (I suspect it's now a little more as some of the Thai numbers are a few years out of date), compared to about 71.39 million in the Korean peninsula, so essentially no significant change. I think per-capita GDP figures in parity terms will stay down at about ƒ2,500 for the KPRD and ƒ4,500 for the NRD (and ƒ23,000 in the little Walmingtonian concession).

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Ang Thong
Ayutthaya
Chainat
Chiang Mai
Chiang Rai
Kamphaeng Phet
Kanchanaburi
Lampang
Lamphun
Lopburi
Mae Hong Son
Nakhon Nayok
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Postby Belgeland » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:47 pm

Looks good to me Dra-pol; Manaung Island seems to be a good suggestion. I should get to writing up some history at some point, just need a few more former sorta-colonial towns scattering the globe...

Also: Would the NRD be partial to using FN arms, by any chance? I can see Belgens selling/giving them lots of guns throughout the 20th century. We trade openly with anyone of course, but sometimes allies can get good deals via Foreign Office subsidies. The advancement/protection of capitalism is of course in the national interest.
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Postby Dra-pol » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:29 pm

Without having given it great thought as yet, I think that seems likely, Belgeland.

I suppose that some complications may arise with compatibility and standardisation, as the NRD would inherit a stockpile of old Walmingtonian arms and munitions factories, but perhaps they'd make-do with a logistical mess for a while, at least after the reunification wars when they needed any arms they could get. Maybe there'll now be Nationalist-Drapoel versions of some FN weapons in Walmingtonian calibres? 8.4x19mm Hi-Power, 12.7x102mm M2, 8.4x51mm MAG and FAL, and now maybe 6.35x51mm Minimi and FNC, for example.

Presumably the NRD would seek to maintain some sort of defence industry co-operation with Walmington, Belgeland, and Chrinthanium at least, though often at arms length as the junta knows that these countries aren't exactly loads more popular with ordinary people in the southeast than in the rest of Dra-pol.

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Postby Vexia » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:04 pm

I've been told that you guys are planning on Doing Stuff with the History or Present Political Status in India. I'd be interested in becoming very active indeed for either or both of those things.

Dra-pol, if you need a Millitant State to kick seven bells in your Democratic South, I'm happy to have some pretty brutal "Police Actions" by my Naval Armies.

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Postby Walmington on Sea » Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:43 am

Well, I wouldn't really call the southeast democratic, more like a nominal republic under a right-wing military junta supported to some degree by market economies because of its intrinsic anti-Communist stance and because everyone's worried that if he deals with the Nationalists, (the Communist leader) Hotan may next want revenge on those who participated against the Communists in the internal wars of the late twentieth century.

However, the Marathas seem likely to have at least some role to play in related histories across southern Asia. I mean, your likely new neighbours to the south (whatever TCB's calling his south Indian state) seems set to participate in the Drapoel wars, helping the Nationalists, Walmington, Chrinthanium, Niebelunc, Belgeland, and so on to resist the Communists (with limited success). Your relations with them are sure to be of some significance. Also whether or not you previously had any interactions, positive or negative, with the western imperial powers involved against the Drapoel Communists. Or maybe instead it was the Catholic Europeans (instead of Protestant North Americans) involved in the Marathas, which may limit your interest in Dra-pol, where the Catholics apparently never gained a foothold.
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Postby Donigala » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:12 pm

What is present situation with Catholic Church in AMW? Who controls pope?

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Postby Chrinthanium » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:27 pm

Tell me you're not going Catholic. Oh god, now I have less reason to like you! :P

Chrinthanium and Catholicism have a love/hate relationship: we both love to hate each other.
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Postby Kyr Shorn » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:31 pm

Chrinthanium wrote:Tell me you're not going Catholic. Oh god, now I have less reason to like you! :P

Chrinthanium and Catholicism have a love/hate relationship: we both love to hate each other.


I think he's going to run a schismatic Catholic Church, if I remember his app right, complete with his own Pope. :)

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Postby Donigala » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:33 pm

Yep, my plan is to run alternate Catholic Church:
While Hasdingi themselves are long gone, they legacy was always strong. First of all its, naturally a Christianity. Due to long isolation from Christendom, Offagard Church was independent for centuries. It was ruled by regularly held Sinod of bishops. Offagardians hesitated to establish a position of the head of Church as it would formalize separation from other Christians. In XVI century relations with Rome was reestablished and Offagard Church was recognized as sui iuris church. But by that time were was more differences than similarities between
Offagard and Rome. In 18th century one more antipope crisis in Vatican occurred. Alexander VIII was soon expelled, excommunicated and had to run from Italy. He found save heaven in Offagard, where Sinod recognized him as true pope, thus finally establishing separate church.
Offagard Church while still based on Nicene Creed it its rites and daily worship is deeply influenced by local traditions and uses Hasdingi language in mass.

So, were is not much love between me ad Vatican either...
If only pope controlling guy is O.K. with background of Alexander VIII.

P.S. Kyr, what about France-Offagard war in Indian Ocean and East Africa somewhere in 17 century? You willing to go for that?
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Postby Kyr Shorn » Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:46 pm

Donigala wrote:Yep, my plan is to run alternate Catholic Church:
While Hasdingi themselves are long gone, they legacy was always strong. First of all its, naturally a Christianity. Due to long isolation from Christendom, Offagard Church was independent for centuries. It was ruled by regularly held Sinod of bishops. Offagardians hesitated to establish a position of the head of Church as it would formalize separation from other Christians. In XVI century relations with Rome was reestablished and Offagard Church was recognized as sui iuris church. But by that time were was more differences than similarities between
Offagard and Rome. In 18th century one more antipope crisis in Vatican occurred. Alexander VIII was soon expelled, excommunicated and had to run from Italy. He found save heaven in Offagard, where Sinod recognized him as true pope, thus finally establishing separate church.
Offagard Church while still based on Nicene Creed it its rites and daily worship is deeply influenced by local traditions and uses Hasdingi language in mass.

So, were is not much love between me ad Vatican either...
If only pope controlling guy is O.K. with background of Alexander VIII.


I think Acadzia (who is currently in control of the "Kingdom of Rome", among other things) would be ok with it, though you should drop him a TG.

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Postby The Crooked Beat » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:36 pm

Somewhat off-topic at present, but greetings to Vexia from southern neighbor Malabar! I don't know, however, just how you feel about your major bordering state being in hibernation until June, and if you aren't ok with that, well, I guess I'll have to try something else. It might not work too well if you plan on anything aggressive in the short term, but if you're willing to wait around I can promise regular input after I return from my extended vacation. Hopefully we'll attract a few more Indian players as it is, since a united Subcontinent is, in many ways, only a relatively recent occurrence.

It looks like the Marathas could be an interesting foil to republican, peaceable, dithering, lethargic, Muslim-majority Malabar, at the very least, and if you want to work Malabar into your history feel free to do so as you see fit. As for France, there's another matter that bears some discussion. I didn't imagine Malabar as an ex-colony, but rather as having preserved its independence in one form or another until beginning a vaguely Japanish modernization program at the end of the 19th century that, conceivably, put Malabar itself out of colonial powers' reach. But you're more than welcome to have a coastal enclave or two, historical or contemporary, and I'd strongly suggest Pondicherry if that interests you. Major modern-day ports, however, are right out! ;)

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Postby Europe - Prussia » Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:51 pm

Donigala wrote:--snip--


The Crooked Beat wrote:--snip--


Of course, if the Frenchies are not enough, the Spanish Conquistadores will be always available as colonialist opressors, with their burning stakes to the heathens and the inquisition. Chrin is a good example ;)
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Postby Donigala » Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:01 pm

Conquistadores would be good enough for me.
P.S. Is there is someone controlling East Africa? My idea is that Offagard tried to expand in to East Africa and maybe India, but confrontation with European colonialists and local powers (Malabar?) ended very badly for us, leaving with only small outpost in Seychelles, so its pretty much depends if France and Spain was entering in the region at the time...

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