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by The Crooked Beat » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:06 pm
by Glenmere » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:17 am
Amerique wrote:Basically, if he doesn't go through with the expansion of Gandvik to encompass the rest of Russia, it would be easy to fit the rest of European Russia as a nation descended from Jewish Khazaria. If the TCB expansion does happen and he doesn't want Poland and Czechia anymore, it could also work as a Khazar state there.
by Chrinthanium » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:15 pm
The Crooked Beat wrote:Obviously there's no pretending, at this stage, that I have any sort of master plan in mind for Gandvik, so just about everything is highly negotiable on that subject, and I'd be happy to accommodate what seems like a very interesting idea. There would doubtless be room enough for a persistent Khazaria in an Eastern Europe which in AMW is far from the exclusive preserve of a single dominant ethnicity, religion, or nation, and a Jewish state could survive, I think, easily enough in the space between a mutually hostile Catholic Shield and Lutheran Gandvik and the various Turkic-Muslim and Uralic peoples which those two would variously have attempted to colonize and to enlist as allies against their rival.
Equally a Jewish or at least majority-Jewish state could be perfectly viable in Central Europe, for some of the same reasons outlined above. Indeed, the competition between powers would be even more ferocious, and the resulting political-military pressures might serve as a highly convenient means of building a strong and uncompromising sense of national identity.
As for a Jewish state in North America having started out as a Gandvian colony, that certainly could be made to work as well. Jews would doubtless have faced an immense level of both legal and social persecution in Gandvik, which might have continued to deny Jews full civil rights (such as they were) up until near the end of the 19th century, while various forms of folk and 'scientific' antisemitism would have remained very much in vogue until the 1950s-60s at least. Not quite to the level of real-life Imperial Russia, but definitely de-facto second-class status, coupled with a disconcerting tendency on the part of political opportunists towards scapegoating and populist violence. So plenty of reasons why Jews might have had good reason to leave in large numbers.
A North American locale would, from a strategic standpoint, offer some advantages in terms of autonomy, providing the state with greater room to maneuver internationally, though a nation thoroughly bound-up in regional affairs can be interesting as well.
As always, lots of options, and open to all (well, most) suggestions.
A properly absolutist Iberia seems like it could warm things up in the Mediterranean very nicely, and I heartily welcome the concept. Spain certainly offers some fertile terrain for that sort of flamboyant ultra-conservatism, alongside that particular ideological current's implacable enemies. I know this is a dangerous subject, but do you think reactionary Iberia might have gone Oakist during that particular war, perhaps aiming to aggrandize itself at Italy's expense in North Africa? Ever since (potentially) losing the centerpiece of my inane World Fleets project, with NG's very unhoped-for latest disappearance, I've been having this thought of Spain as the leading exponent of cruiser warfare during that stretch of time.
With respect to Valendia's proposal, it also appears to have considerable merit. I'm very much in favor of alternatives to the traditional unitary-state model, and in AMW's particular environment, lacking as it does a superpower, the European-type state might never have been imposed quite so universally as it was in real life. Even there, of course, we see what are ostensibly unitary states unraveling all the time. So I think the idea carries with it a lot of interesting potential.
Selfishly, wishing in no small part for an excuse to fill-up Parsistan's navy with the finest export offerings from Fincantieri, Bazan, and Vosper Thornycroft, I wouldn't mind an Arabian, at least South Arabian setting for this state-of-nature state, though at the same time the problem with nations scattered to some remote corner of the world is that they all too often seem to wither on the vine, being isolated from regional goings-on and lacking in what might be termed strategic context.
by Glenmere » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:50 pm
Chrinthanium wrote:Outside of a concession on your part, I still like the idea of it working in North America. God knows we could use more players on that side of the Atlantic.
by Chemaki » Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:09 am
Europe - Prussia wrote:The thing is that this claim would always be active in the background, as "that" problem that cannot be ignored for this or that reason. As a no-laws area it would work as the source of most of the illegal activity of AMW, thus keeping it always present.
by Glenmere » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:15 pm
Chemaki wrote:Also, hey there, Glenmore! If you want to ask anything about Jews in the Holy Land, hit me up! I'd love to see a revival of the Khazars, and a bit more celebration of the Migration Era cultures since Eastern Europe got snapped up by Celts and pesky pseudo-Baltics.
by Chrinthanium » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:25 pm
The Crooked Beat wrote:A properly absolutist Iberia seems like it could warm things up in the Mediterranean very nicely, and I heartily welcome the concept. Spain certainly offers some fertile terrain for that sort of flamboyant ultra-conservatism, alongside that particular ideological current's implacable enemies. I know this is a dangerous subject, but do you think reactionary Iberia might have gone Oakist during that particular war, perhaps aiming to aggrandize itself at Italy's expense in North Africa? Ever since (potentially) losing the centerpiece of my inane World Fleets project, with NG's very unhoped-for latest disappearance, I've been having this thought of Spain as the leading exponent of cruiser warfare during that stretch of time.
by Chrinthanium » Mon Nov 07, 2016 12:34 pm
Glenmere wrote:Chemaki wrote:Also, hey there, Glenmore! If you want to ask anything about Jews in the Holy Land, hit me up! I'd love to see a revival of the Khazars, and a bit more celebration of the Migration Era cultures since Eastern Europe got snapped up by Celts and pesky pseudo-Baltics.
Glenmere. Spellin' my name wrong.
Expert on the subject matter? Always good to know. As mentioned before, while a Jewish American South intrigues me, a Jewish Czecho-Polish state has merits as well.
Especially when you consider it would create a direct land border between hardcore Jews and hardcore Celts who hate Judeo-Christians.
Question. Does AMW have anything against moonlighting?
by Amerique » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:24 pm
Glenmere wrote:Chemaki wrote:Also, hey there, Glenmore! If you want to ask anything about Jews in the Holy Land, hit me up! I'd love to see a revival of the Khazars, and a bit more celebration of the Migration Era cultures since Eastern Europe got snapped up by Celts and pesky pseudo-Baltics.
Glenmere. Spellin' my name wrong.
Expert on the subject matter? Always good to know. As mentioned before, while a Jewish American South intrigues me, a Jewish Czecho-Polish state has merits as well.
Especially when you consider it would create a direct land border between hardcore Jews and hardcore Celts who hate Judeo-Christians.
Question. Does AMW have anything against moonlighting?
by Glenmere » Tue Nov 08, 2016 5:24 am
Amerique wrote:I was wondering, actually, are you still going with the Messianic Jewish angle (with Jesus and all) or will you be going with the more "pure" non-messianic Rabbinic Judaism now?
by Chrinthanium » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:35 am
Glenmere wrote:Amerique wrote:I was wondering, actually, are you still going with the Messianic Jewish angle (with Jesus and all) or will you be going with the more "pure" non-messianic Rabbinic Judaism now?
More the former, though with the latter definitely in evidence. Messianics can be pretty hardcore about the Old Covenant themselves when the want to. It depends on which bunch you happen to be involved with more than anything else. In some ways this nation would be fairly chill, such as letting non-Messianic Jews and other persecuted groups live among them, such as the Druze and basically anybody with no home anywhere else who is willing to respect our laws, like Sikhs and Baha'i. In others you may find it to be quite...robust in how it applies the Old Law.
I can see Khazaria, or whatever I wind up calling it, having points of tensions with neighboring peoples wherever it lands.
I also might know somebody else who might have interest in AMW, if you need some major South American developments.
by Glenmere » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:47 pm
Chrinthanium wrote:Send them around! The more the merrier.
by Chrinthanium » Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:58 pm
Glenmere wrote:Chrinthanium wrote:Send them around! The more the merrier.
I have four words for you in that case, based on their speculations.
Federated States of South America.
...Five words. Shut up.
Basically, imagine a nation based out of Brazil and much of the north of the continent, with access to the Pacific, the Atlantic, and the Caribbean. A rapidly growing population and economic base, issues with local corruption but still the potential for a significant international footprint.
Does that sound appealing?
by Europe - Prussia » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:12 pm
by Chrinthanium » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:36 pm
Europe - Prussia wrote:Thank you for giving your opinion on this idea of mine, plus all the interest shown. I'm also surprised by the interest shown by both TCB and Chem when I mentioned the Arabian peninsula as a potential area for this claim. While the middle east has great potential for my idea (thanks to all the oil in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE, plus the potential control of the Mandeb Strait), I prefer the Colombia-Panama combination (and Venezuela too I suppose, because of the three, Venezuela has the most variety of resources and makes the other two look like barren rocks by comparison) for its versatility and geography.
The concern raised by TCB about isolated claims dying out is a valid one yes, and this claim on South America does seem like that, but it's my hope that both the legal and illegal resources this claim could offer and the strategic point that is the Panama Canal will offset that. Plus, it would be nice to have the canal in AMW.
However, if there's a new RPer interested in same the area I suppose I could wait to post in the applications thread. This is a secondary claim after all, and I'd like to see new blood in AMW.
by Glenmere » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:52 am
by Chrinthanium » Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:35 pm
Glenmere wrote:I've made my friend aware of the existing map claims, and he intends to swing around sometime in the next few hours to make a post detailing his proposal in detail.
For me, I'm now down to a choice between a Czech-Polish land claim, which would depend on TCB, or the Southern U.S. Either way, I am thinking of a monarchy of a sort, and one which is very intensely, devoutly religious.
by Glenmere » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:27 am
Chrinthanium wrote:I'm certain America would just absolutely love a religious monarchy on their southern border. I'm all for that.
by Chrinthanium » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:35 pm
by The United Gulf States » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:33 pm
by Chrinthanium » Fri Nov 25, 2016 8:57 pm
The United Gulf States wrote:Go on, then. If I give this one more try and Glenmere also lands somewhere in the US, along with California, Amerique, and WoS, we might actually have a chance to make things move.
My problem last time was probably a failure to develop good characters on the bad -ruling- side of the nation. I've got Derek, Olongwe, Sinkala, Miyanda, and so on for the resistance, but struggled to flesh-out Clarke, Hughes, et cetera. Nowadays I could probably just rip-off leading politicians from RL and change their damn names!
Is Glenmere still interested? We could work out some borders that connect all five potential states, one after the other, if TUGS comes back to Texas and surrounds and Glenmere lies to its east and Amerique's south? If TUGS went back to what it was, there'd be about 72, 73 million people left in the south-east US, I think.
by Europe - Prussia » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:31 pm
by AMW Applications » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:50 pm
Europe - Prussia wrote:So everybody knows, I've posted my idea on the applications thread, so you can check it out and give you opinion. Also Chrin, in the claim list on the applications thread, could you please update Valendia? it says its still in France and Switzerland and that can lead to some confusion with the map.
by Amerique » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:40 am
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